As a human, you're going to have to accept that there are things about life that you will never be able to wrap your head around. God's ways are higher than ours. We will never be able to make complete sense of God using human reasoning. Attempting to understand God's ways contradicts belief in a God that is superior to humans.
Bible is pretty clear. We send ourselves to hell not God. We all deserve hell but our Lord Christ has paid for our well deserved punishment all we do is be made innocent in his name by obtaining his grace
our well deserved punishment? so the moment you left the womb you deserved to go to hell? if that's the case why are so many religious people against abortion? wouldn't it make more sense to be antinatalist if any of that were true?
yeah but who created us and the rules? end of the day this whole thing was created by Him, so yes-- although you pull the trigger, he gave you the gun. youre set up to fail
It’s an inefficient way to get people to learn and clearly a man-made invention. An all-loving God would have a system where people would be taught the error of their ways after death. The only point of “hell” (which is newer than many other concepts found in the Bible) is to scare people into behaving a certain way while on this planet. In reality, something like “Sheol” is more likely for an afterlife, what we think of as a traditional purgatory, and has just more of a basis in Scripture. Also, the lake of fire and pretty much everything mentioned in Revelation was 1) directed at a specific King of Babylon or Sumeria and 2) hidden in metaphorical language that only believers would understand, because of the persecution Christians faced at the time and the political and rebellious messages found in Revelation. Which is where most people’s idea of Hell comes from. Hell, even the “morning star” that has become so synonymous with Lucifer that it’s often used as his last name in fiction was never intended to be read as being the same person as the word I am forgetting (possibly just Satan or Shay-Tan or something) which translates to “opposer”. Also, all roads really do lead to the same end.
@@tristopherweaver9180 the creator of reality and the moral law giver gets to decide. And you should know the eternal suffering isn't torture but torment. The Bible, if you read it, is comprehensive on hell and what it is or like. God is all good even sinners and people who are in misery are still enjoying all that is good given by God. Hell is the complete separation of God therefore of anything good. Hell was always ment for Satan and his demon according to the Bible and we get sucked in because of our fall from Grace. Furthermore God is all loving and all just. He can't be one without the other. Therefore a crime against the most holy merits some form of Justice. Because God is all loving he came down, died for our sins, taking on all of our punishment. All we do is accept and love God and seek his Grace. This sounds long but the beauty of it is it's perfectly logically coherent and if you can get past the arcadic strangeness of it you might begin to understand this concept which is not of this world. Forget the religious mumbo jumbo try and seek Christ through reason.
we'r currently trapped in a cycle, people believe in chrstianity.. but what if death is just the end, all life is precious we are merely an accumulation of memories but eventually everyone is forgotten... we are at the point in our existance as the human race where we could phase out death any life lost is tragic no one will ever see that person again... and no ones come to the one truth of what we are... the human soul is the brain, if we can stop the brain from deteriorating we could make artificial shells for it, we have our organic shells aka the body... christianity was made when the world was in a dark dark place, but maybe its time we look at living in this earthly realm we call reality for as long as we possibly can.
"I can't understand the higher meaning of something therefore it's bs!" These are the same people who are so quick to agree with science even though they can't understand or comprehend it. Not saying science is wrong, it is flawed definitely but it's not fake, but at least I made the effort to understand proven scientific principles. People like you have never studied biblical history let alone even read the Bible yet make bold ignorant claims like this. I pity you.
The ancient essenes (original Jewish scholars from the line of Abraham) especially the ethiopian and christian convert Nubians (descendants from kush who converted to monotheism) have ancient writings that all other mysticism empires like egypt tried to emulate and twist. These ancient writings talk about how there are 7 stages of heaven and 7 stages of hell which is why it's so important to understand when God says that the devil is the ruler of this world it doesn't mean that he's the ruler of hell even though Earth is a stage of hell where we are trapped in the flesh and disconnected from God. Their writings theorised that Angels who chose to rebel and were cast out were given the opportunity to live on earth with their own free will to be like Gods seeing as they wanted to join the devil in trying to overthrow him. Other angels who weren't a part of the original rebellion who also wanted to be their own God's were also given the opportunity to live on earth as humans so God being wise and whimsical decided as a punishment to the rebels, he would give humanity power and authority over the land and animals, but the devil is cunning and used there lack of comprehension and knowledge to barter with their claim over the earth in exchange for blessings, knowledge, corruption, power, and technology. So then you have messengers and watchers who saw that the devil was manipulating human beings and making his own creation to devour them for their essence of life spiritual essence (breath of life/soul/everlasting) and their physical essence (blood) so they could be immortal so the devil could finally rule and be worshipped and grow stronger to wage war against God once more.
As a human, you're going to have to accept that there are things about life that you will never be able to wrap your head around. God's ways are higher than ours. We will never be able to make complete sense of God using human reasoning. Attempting to understand God's ways contradicts belief in a God that is superior to humans.
Bible is pretty clear. We send ourselves to hell not God. We all deserve hell but our Lord Christ has paid for our well deserved punishment all we do is be made innocent in his name by obtaining his grace
This is the correct answer
our well deserved punishment? so the moment you left the womb you deserved to go to hell? if that's the case why are so many religious people against abortion? wouldn't it make more sense to be antinatalist if any of that were true?
yeah but who created us and the rules?
end of the day this whole thing was created by Him, so yes-- although you pull the trigger, he gave you the gun.
youre set up to fail
It’s an inefficient way to get people to learn and clearly a man-made invention.
An all-loving God would have a system where people would be taught the error of their ways after death. The only point of “hell” (which is newer than many other concepts found in the Bible) is to scare people into behaving a certain way while on this planet. In reality, something like “Sheol” is more likely for an afterlife, what we think of as a traditional purgatory, and has just more of a basis in Scripture. Also, the lake of fire and pretty much everything mentioned in Revelation was 1) directed at a specific King of Babylon or Sumeria and 2) hidden in metaphorical language that only believers would understand, because of the persecution Christians faced at the time and the political and rebellious messages found in Revelation. Which is where most people’s idea of Hell comes from. Hell, even the “morning star” that has become so synonymous with Lucifer that it’s often used as his last name in fiction was never intended to be read as being the same person as the word I am forgetting (possibly just Satan or Shay-Tan or something) which translates to “opposer”.
Also, all roads really do lead to the same end.
@@tristopherweaver9180 the creator of reality and the moral law giver gets to decide. And you should know the eternal suffering isn't torture but torment. The Bible, if you read it, is comprehensive on hell and what it is or like. God is all good even sinners and people who are in misery are still enjoying all that is good given by God. Hell is the complete separation of God therefore of anything good. Hell was always ment for Satan and his demon according to the Bible and we get sucked in because of our fall from Grace. Furthermore God is all loving and all just. He can't be one without the other. Therefore a crime against the most holy merits some form of Justice. Because God is all loving he came down, died for our sins, taking on all of our punishment. All we do is accept and love God and seek his Grace. This sounds long but the beauty of it is it's perfectly logically coherent and if you can get past the arcadic strangeness of it you might begin to understand this concept which is not of this world. Forget the religious mumbo jumbo try and seek Christ through reason.
heaven and hell are not places. they are states of being.
fair enough
we'r currently trapped in a cycle, people believe in chrstianity.. but what if death is just the end, all life is precious we are merely an accumulation of memories but eventually everyone is forgotten... we are at the point in our existance as the human race where we could phase out death any life lost is tragic no one will ever see that person again... and no ones come to the one truth of what we are... the human soul is the brain, if we can stop the brain from deteriorating we could make artificial shells for it, we have our organic shells aka the body... christianity was made when the world was in a dark dark place, but maybe its time we look at living in this earthly realm we call reality for as long as we possibly can.
It’s better to have hope than no hope and that’s what Christianity gives people
That’s some Isaac Asimov type shit, I love it
Don’t worry about it. It’s a bunch of bullsh!t.
You must be nothing in the big picture.
@@shadowknightgladstay4856Doesn't change the fact of the matter.
"I can't understand the higher meaning of something therefore it's bs!" These are the same people who are so quick to agree with science even though they can't understand or comprehend it. Not saying science is wrong, it is flawed definitely but it's not fake, but at least I made the effort to understand proven scientific principles. People like you have never studied biblical history let alone even read the Bible yet make bold ignorant claims like this. I pity you.
@@bidensaidthenwordwithahard4838😂😂😂 Fairytales and magic.
@@TPspunk weak bait. The only thing that's a fairy tale in this world is democracy and identity politics.
None of it is real bro, stop worrying about things that aren't real.
God doesn't send people to hell it os our refusal to believe and our sin that does 😊
The ancient essenes (original Jewish scholars from the line of Abraham) especially the ethiopian and christian convert Nubians (descendants from kush who converted to monotheism) have ancient writings that all other mysticism empires like egypt tried to emulate and twist.
These ancient writings talk about how there are 7 stages of heaven and 7 stages of hell which is why it's so important to understand when God says that the devil is the ruler of this world it doesn't mean that he's the ruler of hell even though Earth is a stage of hell where we are trapped in the flesh and disconnected from God.
Their writings theorised that Angels who chose to rebel and were cast out were given the opportunity to live on earth with their own free will to be like Gods seeing as they wanted to join the devil in trying to overthrow him. Other angels who weren't a part of the original rebellion who also wanted to be their own God's were also given the opportunity to live on earth as humans so God being wise and whimsical decided as a punishment to the rebels, he would give humanity power and authority over the land and animals, but the devil is cunning and used there lack of comprehension and knowledge to barter with their claim over the earth in exchange for blessings, knowledge, corruption, power, and technology. So then you have messengers and watchers who saw that the devil was manipulating human beings and making his own creation to devour them for their essence of life spiritual essence (breath of life/soul/everlasting) and their physical essence (blood) so they could be immortal so the devil could finally rule and be worshipped and grow stronger to wage war against God once more.