Just wanna say that I appreciate how much effort you put into the content and how much content you put out for us to enjoy. I haven’t played PvP much at all since hitting legend in 2021 as that was my only real goal. But your videos, with the fun tangents and spicy saturdays, has kept me watching every single video you post. So keep doin what you’re doing, we appreciate you 💯
It’s more applicable to sports then something like gambling where people also think they’re on a ‘hot streak’ but it’s just the brain recognizing false patterns. The real result in sports however is self-confidence which can make you more relaxed and assured so you do better. For GBL it could definitely translate to decisiveness i.e. fast swaps and agressive play so you don’t give away many advantages
Dude! I’m actually a sport psychologist (well 1 year away from finishing my doctorate degree) and I can talk about the zone all day. Confidence plays a huge role but being able to control your nerves through relaxation techniques also helps maintain an in the moment thinking. Super interesting and complicated stuff but I love working with athletes to tap into that.
I also think competitive video game players is an untapped market. Gotta be able to stay composed and keep your mind present to compete at the highest level.
Developer and statistician here...yes ELO is based on match making within rank, but with things like chess, there isnt the added complexity of typing RPS style match ups inherent with pokemon. Is there an algorithm? Yes. Is it out to get you? No. Its there to balance gameplay. PokeAK is definately on the extreme side, but there is some truth in what he says....but yeh the better you are at the game, the better your ability to overcome balancing Edit: The only way to truely say there is no algo? Match you with an opponent first. Once matched, you then get like 1min to pick your teams.... But as long as you pick your team first and then get matched, you cant not have an algo
There’s no RPS in chess but whenever you study an opening it feels like your opponent never plays into it. That’s not an algorithm being against you it’s just random chance.
And thats the problem, you can never play with someone random, you always battle against someone that the algorithm has picked specifically for you, so either you get hardcountered, or your opponent gets hardcountered by you. And most of the time if you get hardcountered, there is not much you can do, if you switch, your opponent pull out another hardcounter, and you lost the match, no matter how good you are at pvp. The should be another method of matchmaking like other games, where you get to the lobby, and after that, you choose your team, your equipment, etc, in pokemon's case, you should enter to a lobby with your opponent, and in 10seconds you choose your team and then battle , that will delete completely the unfairness of the hardcounter mechanic that the algorithm choose for you.
Last season I made a team of poliwrath, Cresselia and bastiodon. Number 1 counter to the team was runerigus. I hadn’t seen one all season, first battle I queue into with this team I see one on the lead… the algorithm definitely hard counters you
The whole "in the zone" thing is very interesting. It definitely applies to many things in life. Sometimes it feels like everything is going your way and other times you're shadow balling noctowls as you eloquently put it. I'd be interested in reading research about it
I have a shadow zapdos built and it mainly feels like a high-octane charjabug. It's so fun, but the absence of bulk means you have to use tankier teammates
Yeah the elo thing at the end does help explain the whole "the game is out to get me" or there's an "algorithm". However, I still do get some sus games where I set up a new team just for fun and get hard countered all the way through lmao. I'll stick with your explanation though, cause occam's razor
You are definitely not cocky lol. You are very passionate about the game and a very high level pogo player. Whenever you lose you always say to yourself “What could I have done better?” Rather than blaming the game, algorithm or your opponent. Definitely not signs of a cocky player so yeah don’t let the minority of your comments spoil your mood cuz they’re not true. Just online trolls.
I have a rank 1 shadow zapdos for greatleague but I stopped using it cus there just always seems to be a bastiodon or G Fisk lurking around waiting for me to use it
- First, I believe the Psychic is for Annihilape and maybe people running low on TMs - Second, this "being in the zone", I don't believe it. You may perceive it that way and maybe you have a good day where your brain is sharp and you do perform better. But either way you have to stay alert to not get overconfident. -Third, when you said you were confident that his switch timer wasn't up, would it not have been better to throw right away and not over farm to the potential cmp? Seems you could have dealt with Feraligatr with your remainin two pokemon reasonably well too.
Even though PoGo employs a chess style rating you could still potentially go 30 or 40 games vs teams that are very weak to yours. Especially at the season start. This just doesn't happen. The algorithm works hard to try to get you to 50-50. If I don't see Cress for ages I'll risk swampert and as soon as I do Cress comes flying my way!
at 11:00 during the whole drill peck etc. Don't you just win the game 100% by throwing your drill peck as soon as you get it instead of going for CMP (CAP)? Or am I missing something?
@@Reis2TheOccasion oh please the amount of times I think back on what I could have done differently is crazy. I just wanted to make sure I wasn’t missing something important
A lot of players use “the algorithm” as copium to explain why they can’t climb such as PokeAK and his group of followers. It’s a blind 3 format, there is always going to be an element of RPS. If it was show 6, pick 3 no one would be complaining about an almighty algorithm. The amount of players I see not knowing matchups, not throwing on good timing, not building good teams and then blaming the algorithm for clear skill issues is astounding
I believe that the algorythm is very real. And if people don't believe that to be the case, I don't mind. However, I dislike when their defence is basically "you mad cuz bad bro". (Not that you Rais had that attitude here, but many are). I wouldn't claim to be a very high skilled player. But I do win the majority of my games when they are fairly neutral, sometimes even dominating. And those days I have had a very dominating 'neutral' play, I can always predict that I will not have fun games the next day. I could probably write whole paragraphs on the absolute BS that happens those days, like how I have only used my Umbreon as a starter litteraly 3 games, and the only time I faced a Machamp as a starter, where those 3 games. (I switched to Umbreon to test it out, and lo and behold). However, what cemented my deep belief that this system is "rigged". Is not my loses, is the fact you can clearly see it when it applies to your opponent. I can be hardcountered all day long, but when I see a player with rank 15 (who is fighting for rare candy), oh boy, this kid ain't gonna have it fun. Like it is almost hilarious, their teams aren't bad, most of the time they play like absolute beasts and catch everything and do everything perfect, meanwhile, I who know the game is rigged (this time in my favour) from the start, plays way laidbacked, and yet, there is nothing they can do. And those games, I usually do resign (at the end when it's 100% confirmed I will win). That is how deep my believes are, this is how mad I am about it. I refuse to partake in this absolute unfairness for others.
Dude, I think your opinion on algorithm / win rates is pretty biased due to your investment in the game. Your comparison to Chess is also a poorly made one. Magnus Carlsen (Chess) has rates of: Win 42.84%, Draw 42.35%, Lose 14.8%. Why aren't there many more draws in PvP if it's completely random matches (within skill levels) and is skill based as you claim? As of 2021, Novak Djokovic (Tennis) had a win rate was 83.08% and 67% in Grand Slams. Ronnie O'Sullivan (Snooker) has a win rate of 74.97% overall and 66% in finals. The cream ALWAYS rises to the top in single person, competitive play; yet even the best at GBL all hover around the same win rate. Why? It's not a product of fairness that even so called top players have around 50% win rate. That's not how it works in skill based, competitive play/sport and it's not how stats should work in 1 v 1 "sports" for almost every player that participates. Saying otherwise is pretty silly and possibly disingenuous IMO. GBL is very obviously manipulated to keep players grinding and spending time/money in the app IMO. Niantic don't care about fairness or sporting competition, they care about $$$.
Exactly. The best players in the world can barely get 55% win rates in GBL…. The algo works really well in balancing you to 50% regardless of your skill or teams. Don’t believe me? Go run a completely shit team with no coverage and watch how you’ll still go 12-13 wins a day.
My counter point to you is I'd say the skill ceiling in Pokémon GO PvP is lower than that of Chess or Tennis. There is not as much of a gap between top players in this game compared to some sports, or chess.
@@Reis2TheOccasion I agree to a point. I think it's an extremely hard ceiling on skill, to the point where skill only factors in for such a small portion of matches, to the point where it sucks the fun and fairness out of it. I d think that's mostly due to a matchup algorithm that either provides hard matches, or easy matches; depending on where you are in "your cycle". It feels highly manipulated. When I still played, the amount of truly neutral matches was so ridiculously low. Why is PoGo GBL like this? It's literally the only example where almost every player has a similar win rate. That's not an accident. Another game (Hearthstone), it's best player tweeted he was able to go 67% winrate over 72 games in Legend grade. That would NEVER happen in GBL. Other examples abound...
Ignore the degens buddy. They’re not as good at the game they want to be and blame the game for their poor performance instead of themselves, they’re coping
The game is 100% controlling your matchups. It’s making sure you stay around 50% win rate…. Doesn’t matter your team, your skill or your timing, the algo will find perfect teams to completely core break you…. The algo 100% exists and it has NOTHING to do with elo.
Just wanna say that I appreciate how much effort you put into the content and how much content you put out for us to enjoy.
I haven’t played PvP much at all since hitting legend in 2021 as that was my only real goal. But your videos, with the fun tangents and spicy saturdays, has kept me watching every single video you post. So keep doin what you’re doing, we appreciate you 💯
Thanks so much man! These are the types of comments that make my day
It’s more applicable to sports then something like gambling where people also think they’re on a ‘hot streak’ but it’s just the brain recognizing false patterns. The real result in sports however is self-confidence which can make you more relaxed and assured so you do better.
For GBL it could definitely translate to decisiveness i.e. fast swaps and agressive play so you don’t give away many advantages
Congrats on the speaking gig, Reis! Would love to hear more about it on the next vid.
Thanks Brian!
Dude! I’m actually a sport psychologist (well 1 year away from finishing my doctorate degree) and I can talk about the zone all day. Confidence plays a huge role but being able to control your nerves through relaxation techniques also helps maintain an in the moment thinking. Super interesting and complicated stuff but I love working with athletes to tap into that.
I also think competitive video game players is an untapped market. Gotta be able to stay composed and keep your mind present to compete at the highest level.
@7:30 If you ever watch Hot One, the episode with Steph Curry. Sean actually asks him a question very similar to that. It's most definitely a thing.
I'll give it a watch!
Developer and statistician here...yes ELO is based on match making within rank, but with things like chess, there isnt the added complexity of typing RPS style match ups inherent with pokemon. Is there an algorithm? Yes. Is it out to get you? No. Its there to balance gameplay. PokeAK is definately on the extreme side, but there is some truth in what he says....but yeh the better you are at the game, the better your ability to overcome balancing
Edit: The only way to truely say there is no algo? Match you with an opponent first. Once matched, you then get like 1min to pick your teams....
But as long as you pick your team first and then get matched, you cant not have an algo
There’s no RPS in chess but whenever you study an opening it feels like your opponent never plays into it. That’s not an algorithm being against you it’s just random chance.
Well said dude
Thank you !!
And thats the problem, you can never play with someone random, you always battle against someone that the algorithm has picked specifically for you, so either you get hardcountered, or your opponent gets hardcountered by you. And most of the time if you get hardcountered, there is not much you can do, if you switch, your opponent pull out another hardcounter, and you lost the match, no matter how good you are at pvp.
The should be another method of matchmaking like other games, where you get to the lobby, and after that, you choose your team, your equipment, etc, in pokemon's case, you should enter to a lobby with your opponent, and in 10seconds you choose your team and then battle , that will delete completely the unfairness of the hardcounter mechanic that the algorithm choose for you.
Last season I made a team of poliwrath, Cresselia and bastiodon. Number 1 counter to the team was runerigus. I hadn’t seen one all season, first battle I queue into with this team I see one on the lead… the algorithm definitely hard counters you
As a basketball and gbl player, there's definitely a groove that you get into. You can feel it. idk why, I'm not a scientist lol
The whole "in the zone" thing is very interesting. It definitely applies to many things in life. Sometimes it feels like everything is going your way and other times you're shadow balling noctowls as you eloquently put it. I'd be interested in reading research about it
I have a shadow zapdos built and it mainly feels like a high-octane charjabug. It's so fun, but the absence of bulk means you have to use tankier teammates
Continue doing tangents, and you are not cocky hahaha
I agree!
You stop thinking, you just shoot and fall back on your training.
Yeah the elo thing at the end does help explain the whole "the game is out to get me" or there's an "algorithm". However, I still do get some sus games where I set up a new team just for fun and get hard countered all the way through lmao. I'll stick with your explanation though, cause occam's razor
You are definitely not cocky lol. You are very passionate about the game and a very high level pogo player. Whenever you lose you always say to yourself “What could I have done better?” Rather than blaming the game, algorithm or your opponent. Definitely not signs of a cocky player so yeah don’t let the minority of your comments spoil your mood cuz they’re not true. Just online trolls.
thanks 🥺
I have a rank 1 shadow zapdos for greatleague but I stopped using it cus there just always seems to be a bastiodon or G Fisk lurking around waiting for me to use it
- First, I believe the Psychic is for Annihilape and maybe people running low on TMs
- Second, this "being in the zone", I don't believe it. You may perceive it that way and maybe you have a good day where your brain is sharp and you do perform better. But either way you have to stay alert to not get overconfident.
-Third, when you said you were confident that his switch timer wasn't up, would it not have been better to throw right away and not over farm to the potential cmp? Seems you could have dealt with Feraligatr with your remainin two pokemon reasonably well too.
That elo comment does make sense.
Even though PoGo employs a chess style rating you could still potentially go 30 or 40 games vs teams that are very weak to yours. Especially at the season start. This just doesn't happen. The algorithm works hard to try to get you to 50-50. If I don't see Cress for ages I'll risk swampert and as soon as I do Cress comes flying my way!
Does high attack Shadow Zapdos work well in PVP? or should I look for better IV?
at 11:00 during the whole drill peck etc. Don't you just win the game 100% by throwing your drill peck as soon as you get it instead of going for CMP (CAP)? Or am I missing something?
yeah he would've, I think he's just so used to trying to maximize energy that he goes for cmp's that he knows his pokemon wins whenever possible lol
yeah probably I'm just bad sometimes
@@Reis2TheOccasion oh please the amount of times I think back on what I could have done differently is crazy. I just wanted to make sure I wasn’t missing something important
@@Reis2TheOccasion what’s your favorite saying? “Nobody’s perfect you live and you learn it…” shout out Hannah Montana lol
@@Cmarf2he also thought switch clock wasnt up since his wasnt up and they switched at basically same time(1.5 seconds apart)
Great upload as always!
Thank you! 🙈
What do you think of a 95.4% shadow skamory? 0-11-7?
How was he able to get one around that CP? I have a good one for PvP but only really able to use it in the UL
Giovanni
Hell yeah, Shadow Zapdos! 🙂
Heck yeah 😇
A medicham hit my annihilape with psychic
Shadow zapdos is so fun to play. I’ve never played it in gl though 🤔
Registeel Iv’s revealed?
Damn. Those throws at the end were really bad 😂😂
The thumbnail is crazy
Andrew huberman is a nuero scientist/podcaster who has good insights into performance and consistency! :)
I listen to him occasionally!
There is a study that says basketball's "hot hand" phenomenon is real.
Its not a basketball thing, its a sports thing and not only
A lot of players use “the algorithm” as copium to explain why they can’t climb such as PokeAK and his group of followers. It’s a blind 3 format, there is always going to be an element of RPS. If it was show 6, pick 3 no one would be complaining about an almighty algorithm. The amount of players I see not knowing matchups, not throwing on good timing, not building good teams and then blaming the algorithm for clear skill issues is astounding
Shocking that people still don’t understand PEMDAS and the law of regression towards the mean
It's been so many seasons, Azu is still my most hated mon. Worse than charmers
Poor Azu ☹️. I like Azu 😳
I believe that the algorythm is very real. And if people don't believe that to be the case, I don't mind. However, I dislike when their defence is basically "you mad cuz bad bro". (Not that you Rais had that attitude here, but many are). I wouldn't claim to be a very high skilled player. But I do win the majority of my games when they are fairly neutral, sometimes even dominating. And those days I have had a very dominating 'neutral' play, I can always predict that I will not have fun games the next day.
I could probably write whole paragraphs on the absolute BS that happens those days, like how I have only used my Umbreon as a starter litteraly 3 games, and the only time I faced a Machamp as a starter, where those 3 games. (I switched to Umbreon to test it out, and lo and behold).
However, what cemented my deep belief that this system is "rigged". Is not my loses, is the fact you can clearly see it when it applies to your opponent. I can be hardcountered all day long, but when I see a player with rank 15 (who is fighting for rare candy), oh boy, this kid ain't gonna have it fun.
Like it is almost hilarious, their teams aren't bad, most of the time they play like absolute beasts and catch everything and do everything perfect, meanwhile, I who know the game is rigged (this time in my favour) from the start, plays way laidbacked, and yet, there is nothing they can do. And those games, I usually do resign (at the end when it's 100% confirmed I will win). That is how deep my believes are, this is how mad I am about it. I refuse to partake in this absolute unfairness for others.
People sleeping on rotom wash tho
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Dude, I think your opinion on algorithm / win rates is pretty biased due to your investment in the game. Your comparison to Chess is also a poorly made one. Magnus Carlsen (Chess) has rates of: Win 42.84%, Draw 42.35%, Lose 14.8%. Why aren't there many more draws in PvP if it's completely random matches (within skill levels) and is skill based as you claim?
As of 2021, Novak Djokovic (Tennis) had a win rate was 83.08% and 67% in Grand Slams. Ronnie O'Sullivan (Snooker) has a win rate of 74.97% overall and 66% in finals.
The cream ALWAYS rises to the top in single person, competitive play; yet even the best at GBL all hover around the same win rate. Why? It's not a product of fairness that even so called top players have around 50% win rate. That's not how it works in skill based, competitive play/sport and it's not how stats should work in 1 v 1 "sports" for almost every player that participates. Saying otherwise is pretty silly and possibly disingenuous IMO.
GBL is very obviously manipulated to keep players grinding and spending time/money in the app IMO. Niantic don't care about fairness or sporting competition, they care about $$$.
Damn bro you're lost. Completely blind and that's just sad. Reis is right in what he was trying to explain with the ELO system.
Exactly. The best players in the world can barely get 55% win rates in GBL…. The algo works really well in balancing you to 50% regardless of your skill or teams. Don’t believe me? Go run a completely shit team with no coverage and watch how you’ll still go 12-13 wins a day.
The answer is obvious if you think about it for half a second: GBL is much more luck based than chess, or tennis, or snooker.
My counter point to you is I'd say the skill ceiling in Pokémon GO PvP is lower than that of Chess or Tennis. There is not as much of a gap between top players in this game compared to some sports, or chess.
@@Reis2TheOccasion I agree to a point. I think it's an extremely hard ceiling on skill, to the point where skill only factors in for such a small portion of matches, to the point where it sucks the fun and fairness out of it.
I d think that's mostly due to a matchup algorithm that either provides hard matches, or easy matches; depending on where you are in "your cycle". It feels highly manipulated. When I still played, the amount of truly neutral matches was so ridiculously low.
Why is PoGo GBL like this? It's literally the only example where almost every player has a similar win rate. That's not an accident. Another game (Hearthstone), it's best player tweeted he was able to go 67% winrate over 72 games in Legend grade. That would NEVER happen in GBL. Other examples abound...
Ignore the degens buddy. They’re not as good at the game they want to be and blame the game for their poor performance instead of themselves, they’re coping
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The game is 100% controlling your matchups. It’s making sure you stay around 50% win rate…. Doesn’t matter your team, your skill or your timing, the algo will find perfect teams to completely core break you…. The algo 100% exists and it has NOTHING to do with elo.
it probably exists but bruh focus on having fun and making good teams instead of complaining to a wall