I mention to missionaries all the time that it's critical to introduce the concept of the 12 tribes before introducing the BOM. All of the tribes were instructed to keep records. So then the question is posited, "If you can't believe in the BOM as another record, what are you going to do when all the other records start showing up?" And here they are.
If you don't believe and practice the principles taught in the Book of Mormon, what are you going to do with the new principles taught in other forthcoming records? Wait, they won't come out while the people are still wicked and unrepentant, and aren't living up to the light and truth they have now.
I have actually mentioned this to people. Most have go silent. I don't know how many actually read their Bible as much as listen only to their preachers
•I just saw the Shabbat Night Live episode earlier today and couldn’t resist leaving a comment about how familiar this sounds to a similar ancient American record on metallic plates 😄
nice, you were fooled by a conman. can you show me any source outside of Dr. Miles Jones himself that he found the oldest record of the four gospels, which he claims? Do you realize how much of a massive claim that is? Do you realize the entire Christian community across the world would abolutely lose their shit if a more original record of the four gospels were found? lol you people are actually so braindead You hear one mention of something to confirm your beliefs, even if that mention is absolutely fabricated
@@millennialfalkon yeah, but they weren't shaking cell phone footage sent to them by a mystery party from an alleged treasure cave they they aren't allowed to visit.
@@VernGubler But is it so convenient for believers (LDS believers, that is) to NOT doubt? I sure hope not, cuz this is one lover of the Bk of Mormon who thinks these things clearly have the same hands & minds behind them as the Jordanian lead deception. Stylistically they are pretty much the same deal.
This was AWESOME! I got so much out of it & it is so exciting! My only advice is to not talk while the film is rolling. I want to hear both you and Dave AND the guys on video. Just not at the same time. Thankyou so much! The Lord's hand was in this for sure. I hope and pray that these things will be protected until they can be thoroughly translated & studied & made available to the public.❤❤❤❤
Yes one problem with channels they talk over video's and each other! So irritating! Your here to learn yet they talk over each other and the info. We just stop watching when they do this.
I posted about this in the Ezra's Eagle Facebook group on April 1 and a bunch of people thought it was an April's fools joke. I should have waited a day, but I was too excited about it to wait! It's exciting what the Lord is revealing in the Last Days! Great job on your commentary!
@@rconger24. Zadok was the High Priest of Israel during the reigns of David and Solomon. He aided King David during the revolt of his son Absalom, was subsequently instrumental in bringing Solomon to the throne and officiated at Solomon's coronation.
Zenos and Zenock are mentioned in 3 Nephi 10:16 as being ancestors of the Nephites. Don Bradley says their writings may have been *only* on the Brass Plates.
I'm pretty sure that they are going to find writings from the Book of Zelph before they get to Zenos (even if only due to the alphabetical order). They may even find the writings of Zeezrom, the corrupt Nephite lawyer...and Zippityzoozah, the righteous Nephite lawyer who defeated him in one courtroom battle after another. Those records will most likely be found engraved upon plates of ziff.
Maybe not because Zenos was probably from the northern kingdom that had been taken into captivity by Assyria. The Hebrews that escaped to Arabia probably came only from the southern kingdom of Judah and virtually did not have Zenos writings if he was from the north kingdom. But, if you had the brass plates, a record kept by descendants of Joseph who fled from the north to the south due to Jeroboam’s introduction of idolatry, as the Bible records, or to flee from the Assyrians, then you might have known about Zenos. Or I could just be wrong. Who knows for sure?
The Lord gives you evidence after the trial of your faith. Those who want to believe will believe. Those who don’t, won’t. It’s just nice to hear evidence that supports what I believe.
@@janfelshaw8217 What if your not a believer and see this and other "evidence" and it causes you to read and pray about it? Your one size fits all comment is missing the point. (I agree that the only way to know is to pray about it) But to say that in this post is kinda obvious)
Exactly! I’m a witness to the BoM. God spoke to me from its wonderful pages & removed my violent behavior. It’s neat to find evidence like this & did my own research online. I bought the book He walked the Americas about Christ from the native Americans. Then I found Burrows cave & the carvings on those rocks were amazing. There were carvings of ships like unto a dish. There is one carving of Christ with an American Indian greeting each other with a sign. You will know what I mean if you went to the Temple but no one knows what this carving means. It’s better to not tell others because once something is related to the BoM it automatically becomes a fake & might get destroyed. Be careful who you tell.
I think the above comment about sharing with the contacts in their phone might just be my friend...cause I'm here because of a link from a friend. So amazing!!
This is the original video made during the Shabbat Night Live show in which they discuss the gold and lead records/plates in Saudi Arabia. This video was posted to their channel 5 days ago. The Gold Book | Shabbat Night Live th-cam.com/video/DlzwDcsWw04/w-d-xo.html
When was that interview with the 2 Christians on the Shabbat Night Live done originally? I'm not surprised they shot you down. Yet, so much of what is presented are clear analogs to what our founding narratives share. Tree of life, reformed Egyptian, Golden Plates, precious stuff kept on gold while historical stuff kept on other plates/records, Jews living far from their homeland, etc.
@nealljones it was just last Friday that they were live so everything was pretty recent. Within the last few months. They didn’t want to hear anything I had to say😂
@@SoCalSaint492 They can't easily, rationally deny our narratives. What were their common objections to your comments about their gold book and our golden plates?
@nealljones I brought up the Book of Mormon being an ancient Hebrew record. They just came at me with the same comments we always get. Joseph Smith was a fraud, and a few others. I wish I would’ve commented more but I felt like a sheep in the middle of a pack of wolves.
This may get lost among the 544 other comments, but the 8-pointed star symbol represents the Goddess or Queen of Heaven throughout Middle Eastern traditions. Very relevant to Dave's whole thesis. Much love to you guys and thank you for this!
@@MusicBlik I believe those two symbols, and many more cosmic symbols, share a common origin that is based on something that actually appeared in the sky. But they look very different. For an example of the form that represents feminine deities, look up the Star of Ishtar.
The eight pointed star is the Seal of Melchizedek according to Hugh Nibley! That little star has 8 points!!! Priesthood, priestly people writing about the temple!!!!😊
Excerpt from BYU Religious Study Center article ("The Seal of Melchizedek?"): "One fact consistently overlooked by those who circulate the story of the seal of Melchizedek is that Nibley was not the original source for that phrase. While the comment appears in his book Temple and Cosmos, the author of the caption (to which the legend can be traced) was Michael Lyon, the book’s illustrator. Lyon thought he had once seen the design in a book on Catholic symbolism, but he doubted the legitimacy of the name or title. In Temple and Cosmos, he used the term “so-called” to suggest caution about putting too much stock in the name or the seal’s connection with Melchizedek." " Thus it seems likely that Nibley never actually examined or approved the caption, though he likely had been introduced to the mistaken connection between the symbol and Melchizedek through Lyon’s innocent passing remark."
How? This presents zero evidence towards proving the BOM as true. That claim is as week as the video the other Mormon channel put out about them finding the name Lehi on a house in the middle East. No other evidence but boy oh boy the presenter was 100% on fire for the idea that being the Lehi from the BOM Lehi was a very common name like "Smith" in a phonebook.
I don’t think so, however, it strengthens my personal faith and also makes the idea of gold plates more plausible. I don’t think we’ll ever be handed a perfect evidence, otherwise there’s no longer a need for faith. It’s fun for sure and helps, but we carefully need to remember the need and requirement of faith in the Lord Jesus Christ.
My mind is BLOWN!!! This is so amazing. 2 Nephi 29 anyone??? How about this… “God Will Yet Reveal” By Elder Neal A. Maxwell Of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles When the doc with the 12 seals and the one matching the description of what Anthon saw… 🤯 I’m just in awe. God is Great! Expect miracles!!!
“Marvel not that I said unto you here is wisdom, show it not unto the world, that you may be preserved. Behold I do not say that you shall not show it unto the righteous; But as you cannot always judge the righteous, or you cannot always tell the wicked from the righteous, therefore I say unto you, hold your peace until I shall see fit to make all things known unto the world concerning the matter.” D&C 10:35-37
I have to wonder if this is a book for temple priests that doesn’t write out the temple’s sacred secrets, so only those in the know fully know what it means.
The entire time I am watching these guys talk about “Hebrews being in Saudi Arabia”, they appear to be uncomfortable talking about gold book, with links to a Hebrew tribe, the name of Yahweh etc. Most evangelicals know the story of the LDS church and they have spent their entire life debunking Joseph Smith and the Book of Mormon yet here they are giving evidence that what they have demonized could have actually been true. They seem to be working hard to make this all look new and unique and you can see that they are either ignorant to the origins of the Restoration or they do not want to hint at anything connecting this to evidence that Joseph Smith was actually a prophet of God and the Book of Mormon is an ancient record of a group of people who left Jerusalem in the 600s BC just prior to the destruction of Jerusalem!
The size of the plates is interesting. It reminds me of a video I saw once of a dig near the Kidron Valley where they found similar size, small lead plates with "cursings" on them I wonder if these shown in the video might be what the "blessing " plates could have been like.
You just don't know what this means after many years of being on the fence about the Book of Mormon. Have these plates been shown to not be forgeries of any kind? I shared your video on Facebook in a Book of Mormon group I'm in and was immediately told the plates shown were forgeries. I don't think they are but I'm only an ex-lds person who hasn't given up on the church or the Book of Mormon. Thank you guys once again. Keep inspiring us please!
There still needs to be testing done and they talk about it in this video. I think what is sparking their excitement is the content parallels found in Nephi. Time will tell.
there was a menorah found at mt. sinai. some time after it was photographed, someone came along and chiseled it out of existence. Yet, the general shape can still be seen.
Bro! Where is your brother? Are you sure Jackson didn’t pound these out on Dave’s 3-D printer in Dave’s garage last month? Just as a teaser for his new book coming out? 🤣😂 Just kidding, I’m on my 5th round of listening and watching all this stuff. Extremely Cool! Thank you all!
Ssshhh! You'll disturb their fantasies and suspension of disbelief, and you know what that could lead to.....less tithing revenue to divert to the slush fund managed by Ensign Peak.
Question?... Joseph Smith indicated there would be a 24 temples complex in New Jerusalem. Seems this goes with the 24 thrones. So do you think these things align. Wondered why there would be 24 versus on big temple.
This is awesome. Just sent link to my lds friends. I know the book of mormon is true. Found this by accident. Was looking for feel good videos. I love this. I am a mormon.
I had missionaries come to my house today to give me a book so I could read it. So I can understand the book. Personally… I just read 5 chapters of Nephi and it’s got my attention.
Total straw man notion. KJV Bible, Exodus 28:36 : "And thou shalt make a PLATE OF PURE GOLD, and grave upon it, like the engravings of a signet, Holiness To The Lord." Contrary to popular Mormon belief, the idea that critics of the Book of Mormon origin story EVER claimed that gold plates with engravings never existed in ancient times...is complete nonsense. It was never a significant part of the critique of the BoM relied upon by any serious person. Mormons just keep telling this fable to themselves so that they can then claim that they "debunked" a "big" criticism whenever some ancient metallic plate-like object is found with engravings. It's just a delusional exercise of fake debunking. Nothing has been debunked. In fact, it appears most likely that Joseph Smith got his ideas for a tall-tale about breastplates and gold plates....drumroll....from the KJV Bible, especially Exodus.
Better yet, let’s get a seer to translate the book! I feel like what the nephites must have felt like when there was finally a day and night where the sun didn’t go down. They believed it already, , but had so much excitement that you just don’t know what to do with it, then immediately grateful to God. Hey can we get the church to buy these? Maybe the book of Zenos is there.
If only the LDS Church had like, I don't know, maybe some prophet, seer or revemuhlator type guys in it.... They could sort things out right away with the "gift and power of God". Too bad the Church doesn't have any leaders with those kinds of powers and abilities. Guess we'll just have to rely on videos like this where they look at a couple of gold artifacts consisting of only two tiny pages (smaller than a credit card) with ritualistic symbols...and inexplicably call them "books".
These are 4 years old and have not been verified. These guys stated they were from the 6th century AD, and now they are claiming the 2nd century AD. I'd be willing to wager any amount that these are fake.
1:13:50 Guys, I will be teaching Book of Mormon in our Stake Institute Class this Saturday, and I might share this LOL😅... and I'm Filipino BTW. Heard that you mentioned Filipino earlier LOL😅
What do we know about Shabbot Night live and Mr. Jones here. Is this a trusted source? Is this all a prank directed at us? I watched the beginning of another Shabbot Night Live episode where they are claiming that this same Mr Jones had a miraculous experience with Yahovah appearing at his wedding near Mt. Siani last year. It seems to me that this guy is having a lot of incredible experiences...was excited at first, but feeling a bit sceptical now.
@@JbowlizzleKC exodus 20-25; 30-35 is the description of the tabernacle. According to 1 kings 7:49 there were 10 menorahs in Solomon’s temple in the holy place where the tables of shew bread and incense alter were before the veil. However there was no man made light source in the Holy of Holies (other side of the veil where the ark was-the third room). One reference is Dec 2018 Ensign, other references include Old Testament seminary and institute manuals, I found other references doing a quick google search. Love this channel! Very thought provoking and also really like this guest because he is passionate but also humble and wish other scholars were more like him.
When my brother was building his house in Guatemala, border with Mexico, he found clay pots🥰 he kept them and have them for indoor house decorations 😍. Obviously, the government will take away their property.
More speculation. The group who kept the plates were the Bene Koreza. If you look at the Lexicon, Strongs H3566 word korez, it says that it is a word from Persia, meaning "the sun." Bene would be "child of." Together Bene Koreza could possibly mean - child of the Sun, or children of the Sun.
I have an episode talking about each one of us becoming a sealed book. Because we are a living record, like Christ is the word made flesh. God is the word. We are a loving church. A living record. 3 things bear record of us as we take them upon us… Moses 6…
You need to contact Brian Stubbs in Blanding, Utah. He is a linguist and is an expert on paleo-Hebrew. He is a retired professor at Utah State Blanding Campus.
is there not another reference to "24" in the 12 apostles of the Bible and the 12 apostles of the of the Book of Mormon? Each of the 24 went out to gather in the seeds that sprouted and bring them into the Church represented by the 24 other circles. I believe the Biblical apostles were senior and they or one of them would oversee the Church from the Gentiles.
Hey question! the gold book that was found in Saudi Arabia, is it the same language of the gold plates from the original BOM? and are there any direct quotes on what was found on this? (just a investigator asking ;)
I haven’t watched this yet. I seldomly click on click bait sounding videos titles but know the Paul’s to be honest men, and will start watching it now. I doubt that these plates, if real, have much Christ centered writing on them, but I am anxious to see more and more “golden plate” type of records found to yet again, provide more physical evidence (just keep adding it to the list!) to what JS declared he found and translated via the gift and power of God. Question: Did this episode of “Shabbat Night Live” air on April Fool’s day by chance? I’m all sorts of pessimistic about this whole thing. I’m about 1/4 of the way through now.
This is mind blowing and it's not possible for international buyers to get the book. I'll take my time, I still have the other books of David to finish first.
Isn't Heavily Father amazing I took a very deep dive back into the scriptures recently and had doubts after my wife who.I married in the Provo temple was shot and passed away nut our daughter just got baptized and I actually just today prayed with all my heart that I could believe about our faith and Joseph and the book of Mormon because its been a hard.7 years without her and I forgot how TRUE and amazing all of this is!!!
Oh Dear Brother in Christ. The Lord has His hand in your very prayer. May you find comfort and peace and feel your wife and the Lord near. I’m so sorry for your families loss.
God bless you brother in your courage and faith to look to Christ. Prayers of peace and strength for you. May you continue to see God's hands in your life and the love of your wife and the peace of Christ. Miracles everyday. Way to look and see!
You should never give up. You're not alone. Heavenly Father loves you. Keep up doing your fatherly and family good deeds. I know the book of Mormon is true.
Bad things happen for our knowledge to love and obey God. Or follow down satans path. I could blame God for my horrible year of 2 months in jail and bailed out for 30k for shooting my step dad in self defense. And not see the miracles that i got to go home on bail and now exhonerated because they finally put all the evidence together that my family and myself was not safe and could get cops. Or i could follow into satans hemisphere after those miracles i had and be mad at God for allowing satan the destroyer to hurt me and my family. We are in the test period before Christ comes back hes finding his people for his return
Brenda I'm trying to find Members that have experienced the presense of their Heavenly Father inside their body. Have felt him and the presense of Heaven inside their body like I have. I'm just trying to find anyone that can relate to feeling things inside their body.
Interesting coincidence that this find became publicly available on April 3, 2024, the same day the Angel Moroni was reinstalled on the highest spire of the Temple in Salt Lake City.
Watch our follow up video here where we address the forgery claims. th-cam.com/video/XdHcfug0UMI/w-d-xo.htmlsi=9zzIOXe5L2zUEe83
I mention to missionaries all the time that it's critical to introduce the concept of the 12 tribes before introducing the BOM. All of the tribes were instructed to keep records. So then the question is posited, "If you can't believe in the BOM as another record, what are you going to do when all the other records start showing up?"
And here they are.
12 tribes as in the cult david alexander was in?
Hard to detect sarcasm in comments. @@harambeboy
If you don't believe and practice the principles taught in the Book of Mormon, what are you going to do with the new principles taught in other forthcoming records?
Wait, they won't come out while the people are still wicked and unrepentant, and aren't living up to the light and truth they have now.
I have actually mentioned this to people.
Most have go silent. I don't know how many actually read their Bible as much as listen only to their preachers
Brilliant.
Stick of Joseph thanks for covering this!!! I love the Church! I love the Lord! I love the Book of Mormon!
•I just saw the Shabbat Night Live episode earlier today and couldn’t resist leaving a comment about how familiar this sounds to a similar ancient American record on metallic plates 😄
nice, you were fooled by a conman. can you show me any source outside of Dr. Miles Jones himself that he found the oldest record of the four gospels, which he claims? Do you realize how much of a massive claim that is? Do you realize the entire Christian community across the world would abolutely lose their shit if a more original record of the four gospels were found? lol you people are actually so braindead
You hear one mention of something to confirm your beliefs, even if that mention is absolutely fabricated
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Hmmmmm, some red flags and this wouldn't be the first forgery like this, remember the Jordan Lead Codices?
Time will tell. Remember the Dead Sea scrolls?
@@millennialfalkon yeah, but they weren't shaking cell phone footage sent to them by a mystery party from an alleged treasure cave they they aren't allowed to visit.
It won't matter whether its real or not. Non-believers will say exactly what you are saying. Its too disruptive for them to believe.
@@millennialfalkon Familiarizing yourself w things like the DSS keeps you from investing early & heavy in junk like this.
@@VernGubler But is it so convenient for believers (LDS believers, that is) to NOT doubt? I sure hope not, cuz this is one lover of the Bk of Mormon who thinks these things clearly have the same hands & minds behind them as the Jordanian lead deception. Stylistically they are pretty much the same deal.
This was AWESOME! I got so much out of it & it is so exciting! My only advice is to not talk while the film is rolling. I want to hear both you and Dave AND the guys on video. Just not at the same time. Thankyou so much!
The Lord's hand was in this for sure. I hope and pray that these things will be protected until they can be thoroughly translated & studied & made available to the public.❤❤❤❤
Amen
Yes one problem with channels they talk over video's and each other! So irritating! Your here to learn yet they talk over each other and the info. We just stop watching when they do this.
I honestly think you guys and your channel could be a big reason this is coming to light. Thanks for your passion for the Book of Mormon.
Only other place I know of that talked about it was /pol/
I posted about this in the Ezra's Eagle Facebook group on April 1 and a bunch of people thought it was an April's fools joke. I should have waited a day, but I was too excited about it to wait! It's exciting what the Lord is revealing in the Last Days! Great job on your commentary!
I saw it there and didn’t even think about it being April 1st so I was so excited!
That was me. I thought it was a joke. This is so big I’m not even sure what to think. But these guys’ enthusiasm is infectious for sure.
It would be insane if they found writings of the book of Zenos!
Or Zenock. Oh wait > "Zadock"?
@@rconger24. Zadok was the High Priest of Israel during the reigns of David and Solomon. He aided King David during the revolt of his son Absalom, was subsequently instrumental in bringing Solomon to the throne and officiated at Solomon's coronation.
Zenos and Zenock are mentioned in 3 Nephi 10:16 as being ancestors of the Nephites. Don Bradley says their writings may have been *only* on the Brass Plates.
I'm pretty sure that they are going to find writings from the Book of Zelph before they get to Zenos (even if only due to the alphabetical order). They may even find the writings of Zeezrom, the corrupt Nephite lawyer...and Zippityzoozah, the righteous Nephite lawyer who defeated him in one courtroom battle after another. Those records will most likely be found engraved upon plates of ziff.
Maybe not because Zenos was probably from the northern kingdom that had been taken into captivity by Assyria. The Hebrews that escaped to Arabia probably came only from the southern kingdom of Judah and virtually did not have Zenos writings if he was from the north kingdom. But, if you had the brass plates, a record kept by descendants of Joseph who fled from the north to the south due to Jeroboam’s introduction of idolatry, as the Bible records, or to flee from the Assyrians, then you might have known about Zenos. Or I could just be wrong. Who knows for sure?
The most important evidence is the witness God will give you when you sincerely read the book, ponder, and ask whether it is true.
thanks captain obvious... whats your point? smh... if an evidence comes out we should just ad nauseum repeat your phrase? smh
The Lord gives you evidence after the trial of your faith. Those who want to believe will believe. Those who don’t, won’t. It’s just nice to hear evidence that supports what I believe.
@@janfelshaw8217 What if your not a believer and see this and other "evidence" and it causes you to read and pray about it? Your one size fits all comment is missing the point. (I agree that the only way to know is to pray about it) But to say that in this post is kinda obvious)
Exactly! I’m a witness to the BoM. God spoke to me from its wonderful pages & removed my violent behavior.
It’s neat to find evidence like this & did my own research online. I bought the book He walked the Americas about Christ from the native Americans.
Then I found Burrows cave & the carvings on those rocks were amazing. There were carvings of ships like unto a dish. There is one carving of Christ with an American Indian greeting each other with a sign. You will know what I mean if you went to the Temple but no one knows what this carving means. It’s better to not tell others because once something is related to the BoM it automatically becomes a fake & might get destroyed. Be careful who you tell.
@@korvaamiko66 How else would you know truth of spiritual things of God than to ask? smh
I think the above comment about sharing with the contacts in their phone might just be my friend...cause I'm here because of a link from a friend. So amazing!!
The Church purchasing the Kirkland Temple & seeing this is Amazing!
I can’t wait for Conference coming up!
Ramses III exhibit had many carved/embossed metal plates on display. That was cool. This is soooo much more awesome!
Shabbat night live. Who would have thought? So awesome!
I love that name!
Right!? That name is 🔥🔥🔥!! Clever guys!!
This is the original video made during the Shabbat Night Live show in which they discuss the gold and lead records/plates in Saudi Arabia. This video was posted to their channel 5 days ago.
The Gold Book | Shabbat Night Live th-cam.com/video/DlzwDcsWw04/w-d-xo.html
I was watching it live the other day and I commented about the Book of Mormon. Boy was I shot down!
I saw that! Haha stand strong💪🏼
When was that interview with the 2 Christians on the Shabbat Night Live done originally? I'm not surprised they shot you down.
Yet, so much of what is presented are clear analogs to what our founding narratives share. Tree of life, reformed Egyptian, Golden Plates, precious stuff kept on gold while historical stuff kept on other plates/records, Jews living far from their homeland, etc.
@nealljones it was just last Friday that they were live so everything was pretty recent. Within the last few months. They didn’t want to hear anything I had to say😂
@@SoCalSaint492 They can't easily, rationally deny our narratives.
What were their common objections to your comments about their gold book and our golden plates?
@nealljones I brought up the Book of Mormon being an ancient Hebrew record. They just came at me with the same comments we always get. Joseph Smith was a fraud, and a few others. I wish I would’ve commented more but I felt like a sheep in the middle of a pack of wolves.
Mind, heart and soul blown away. Shared all over the place and still sharing.
Me too 🙏
I have been glued to this video
I am some kind of excited.
This may get lost among the 544 other comments, but the 8-pointed star symbol represents the Goddess or Queen of Heaven throughout Middle Eastern traditions. Very relevant to Dave's whole thesis. Much love to you guys and thank you for this!
Is that the same as the 8-pointed star, formed by overlaying 2 squares, referred to as the Seal of Melchizedek?
@@MusicBlik I believe those two symbols, and many more cosmic symbols, share a common origin that is based on something that actually appeared in the sky. But they look very different. For an example of the form that represents feminine deities, look up the Star of Ishtar.
The eight pointed star is the Seal of Melchizedek according to Hugh Nibley! That little star has 8 points!!! Priesthood, priestly people writing about the temple!!!!😊
Excerpt from BYU Religious Study Center article ("The Seal of Melchizedek?"): "One fact consistently overlooked by those who circulate the story of the seal of Melchizedek is that Nibley was not the original source for that phrase. While the comment appears in his book Temple and Cosmos, the author of the caption (to which the legend can be traced) was Michael Lyon, the book’s illustrator. Lyon thought he had once seen the design in a book on Catholic symbolism, but he doubted the legitimacy of the name or title. In Temple and Cosmos, he used the term “so-called” to suggest caution about putting too much stock in the name or the seal’s connection with Melchizedek." " Thus it seems likely that Nibley never actually examined or approved the caption, though he likely had been introduced to the mistaken connection between the symbol and Melchizedek through Lyon’s innocent passing remark."
Margaret Barker is doing some fascinating work on lead codecies from Jordan.
By this, Book of Mormon is simply true
How? This presents zero evidence towards proving the BOM as true. That claim is as week as the video the other Mormon channel put out about them finding the name Lehi on a house in the middle East. No other evidence but boy oh boy the presenter was 100% on fire for the idea that being the Lehi from the BOM Lehi was a very common name like "Smith" in a phonebook.
I don’t think so, however, it strengthens my personal faith and also makes the idea of gold plates more plausible. I don’t think we’ll ever be handed a perfect evidence, otherwise there’s no longer a need for faith. It’s fun for sure and helps, but we carefully need to remember the need and requirement of faith in the Lord Jesus Christ.
My mind is BLOWN!!! This is so amazing. 2 Nephi 29 anyone??? How about this… “God Will Yet Reveal”
By Elder Neal A. Maxwell
Of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles
When the doc with the 12 seals and the one matching the description of what Anthon saw… 🤯 I’m just in awe.
God is Great! Expect miracles!!!
“Marvel not that I said unto you here is wisdom, show it not unto the world, that you may be preserved.
Behold I do not say that you shall not show it unto the righteous; But as you cannot always judge the righteous, or you cannot always tell the wicked from the righteous, therefore I say unto you, hold your peace until I shall see fit to make all things known unto the world concerning the matter.” D&C 10:35-37
Just started watching so you could have covered this, but the gold plates had a circular seal!! Read the Lost 116 Pages by Don Bradley
We get deep into that! Thanks for watching!!
Okay... When I saw the tree between the two pillars I gasped. That's amazing. Mind blown. Too many coincidences. Yall are genius.
Just WOW. Mind blown.
I have to wonder if this is a book for temple priests that doesn’t write out the temple’s sacred secrets, so only those in the know fully know what it means.
Yes, Ancient shorthand.
This was shared with me by a sister in my ward before i found you are sharing it too. This is going to be well-shared! On 🔥...
The entire time I am watching these guys talk about “Hebrews being in Saudi Arabia”, they appear to be uncomfortable talking about gold book, with links to a Hebrew tribe, the name of Yahweh etc. Most evangelicals know the story of the LDS church and they have spent their entire life debunking Joseph Smith and the Book of Mormon yet here they are giving evidence that what they have demonized could have actually been true. They seem to be working hard to make this all look new and unique and you can see that they are either ignorant to the origins of the Restoration or they do not want to hint at anything connecting this to evidence that Joseph Smith was actually a prophet of God and the Book of Mormon is an ancient record of a group of people who left Jerusalem in the 600s BC just prior to the destruction of Jerusalem!
Can you please provide me with actual academic citation for this golden book. I want to see a book, not just one tiny religious ritual on a plate.
@@danielclingen34 apparently you did not watch the video so …
Maybe the plates are fake ???
Unfortunately these are probably forgeries
How long before this video is taken down?
...or the Thumbnail gets changed and walked back. lol
@thelastgoonie6555 Thumbnail has already been changed... you surely are a seer.
I needed a good laugh today, thank you guys
So exciting!❤
50,000 views in less than 24 hours! Thank you for sharing and expounding on this wonderful news!
Kinderhook Plates 2.0
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Interesting that Wilford Woodruff use a code throughout his journal of images such as the olive branch etc.
The size of the plates is interesting. It reminds me of a video I saw once of a dig near the Kidron Valley where they found similar size, small lead plates with "cursings" on them I wonder if these shown in the video might be what the "blessing " plates could have been like.
Where did you get the Christus necklace?! I want one!
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You just don't know what this means after many years of being on the fence about the Book of Mormon. Have these plates been shown to not be forgeries of any kind? I shared your video on Facebook in a Book of Mormon group I'm in and was immediately told the plates shown were forgeries. I don't think they are but I'm only an ex-lds person who hasn't given up on the church or the Book of Mormon. Thank you guys once again. Keep inspiring us please!
There still needs to be testing done and they talk about it in this video. I think what is sparking their excitement is the content parallels found in Nephi. Time will tell.
It sure seems to me these were a Temple workers reminders while doing ceremonies in the Temple. So cool how they were found in Saudia Arabia.
there was a menorah found at mt. sinai. some time after it was photographed, someone came along and chiseled it out of existence. Yet, the general shape can still be seen.
Psalms 85:11. “Truth shall spring out of the earth; and righteousness shall look down from heaven.”
Bro! Where is your brother? Are you sure Jackson didn’t pound these out on Dave’s 3-D printer in Dave’s garage last month? Just as a teaser for his new book coming out? 🤣😂 Just kidding, I’m on my 5th round of listening and watching all this stuff. Extremely Cool! Thank you all!
You have to write on gold if you want to preserve some thing forever, because gold cannot rust to put it simply
Darn guys. These are a hoax per Dan Mclellan
Ssshhh! You'll disturb their fantasies and suspension of disbelief, and you know what that could lead to.....less tithing revenue to divert to the slush fund managed by Ensign Peak.
Question?... Joseph Smith indicated there would be a 24 temples complex in New Jerusalem. Seems this goes with the 24 thrones. So do you think these things align. Wondered why there would be 24 versus on big temple.
This is awesome. Just sent link to my lds friends. I know the book of mormon is true. Found this by accident. Was looking for feel good videos. I love this. I am a mormon.
I hope you mean I’m a member of the church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. Habits are hard to get rid of
I also found this by accident. I am soooo happy.no words can say how happy I am. Book of Mormon is true!
@43:00 Someone please compare the symbols on that book to the caractors document. Several match perfectly.
I had missionaries come to my house today to give me a book so I could read it. So I can understand the book. Personally… I just read 5 chapters of Nephi and it’s got my attention.
“There is no way golden plates ever exis…. Wait a minute”
Total straw man notion. KJV Bible, Exodus 28:36 : "And thou shalt make a PLATE OF PURE GOLD, and grave upon it, like the engravings of a signet, Holiness To The Lord." Contrary to popular Mormon belief, the idea that critics of the Book of Mormon origin story EVER claimed that gold plates with engravings never existed in ancient times...is complete nonsense. It was never a significant part of the critique of the BoM relied upon by any serious person. Mormons just keep telling this fable to themselves so that they can then claim that they "debunked" a "big" criticism whenever some ancient metallic plate-like object is found with engravings. It's just a delusional exercise of fake debunking. Nothing has been debunked. In fact, it appears most likely that Joseph Smith got his ideas for a tall-tale about breastplates and gold plates....drumroll....from the KJV Bible, especially Exodus.
This is like a Mystery Science Theater version of their TH-cam video - Love it!
Exactly how is this related to Lehi and their escape from Jerusalem? Gold plate with rings....and ??????
Mormons are crazy lol its pretty entertaining tho. Keep it up guys. love this
They said the star image may represent the "promised land"... Hello!
I find it funny that they want the Lost book of Zadock but they are determined to say it's not scripture since it's not the Bible.
42:10 ... that is an ancient paleo asterisk * it points you to the footnote that says, "see Book of Mormon 1Nephi1" 👍
Better yet, let’s get a seer to translate the book! I feel like what the nephites must have felt like when there was finally a day and night where the sun didn’t go down. They believed it already, , but had so much excitement that you just don’t know what to do with it, then immediately grateful to God. Hey can we get the church to buy these? Maybe the book of Zenos is there.
If only the LDS Church had like, I don't know, maybe some prophet, seer or revemuhlator type guys in it.... They could sort things out right away with the "gift and power of God". Too bad the Church doesn't have any leaders with those kinds of powers and abilities. Guess we'll just have to rely on videos like this where they look at a couple of gold artifacts consisting of only two tiny pages (smaller than a credit card) with ritualistic symbols...and inexplicably call them "books".
I can't afford the book myself, but I obligated my public library to purchase a copy
I’m thinking of the 24 temple plan for Zion in Jackson county Missouri! I always wondered about the 24.
This discovery is fascinating! Do we know if any independent experts have done any confirmation/authentication?
These are 4 years old and have not been verified. These guys stated they were from the 6th century AD, and now they are claiming the 2nd century AD. I'd be willing to wager any amount that these are fake.
"Do we know if any independent experts have done any confirmation/authentication?" Coming soon......NOT!
So, have you guys sent the video link to Ward Radio yet 😂?!!
Haha yup, why?!
@thestickofjoseph just curious to see what they think of it, and they probably would bring Don in for that video!😆
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Guys, I will be teaching Book of Mormon in our Stake Institute Class this Saturday, and I might share this LOL😅... and I'm Filipino BTW. Heard that you mentioned Filipino earlier LOL😅
Awesome podcast, and “4and 20 Elders,” from Revelation 4-11, came to mind. Thanks
Other than the talking over the video, this is amazing.
Anyone know where I can watch the original interview?
What do we know about Shabbot Night live and Mr. Jones here. Is this a trusted source? Is this all a prank directed at us? I watched the beginning of another Shabbot Night Live episode where they are claiming that this same Mr Jones had a miraculous experience with Yahovah appearing at his wedding near Mt. Siani last year. It seems to me that this guy is having a lot of incredible experiences...was excited at first, but feeling a bit sceptical now.
Will you bring doing audio of your boo?. I like reading and listening at the same time. I comprehend better
Fake. Don't know why y'all did this.
Good things are happening throughout the world brethren!
Hmmm, not saying it's fake but I would approach anything with a healthy amount of skepticism until the findings are verified by trusted sources
Dan McClellan debunked these plates as fraudulent... Honesty is the best policy.
3:59 the menorah was not in the final room it was in the 2nd room, with the table of shewbread and incense alter.
SOURCE?
@@JbowlizzleKC exodus 20-25; 30-35 is the description of the tabernacle. According to 1 kings 7:49 there were 10 menorahs in Solomon’s temple in the holy place where the tables of shew bread and incense alter were before the veil. However there was no man made light source in the Holy of Holies (other side of the veil where the ark was-the third room). One reference is Dec 2018 Ensign, other references include Old Testament seminary and institute manuals, I found other references doing a quick google search. Love this channel! Very thought provoking and also really like this guest because he is passionate but also humble and wish other scholars were more like him.
Awesome!🤯😱🥳👀💜🤍
When my brother was building his house in Guatemala, border with Mexico, he found clay pots🥰 he kept them and have them for indoor house decorations 😍.
Obviously, the government will take away their property.
More speculation. The group who kept the plates were the Bene Koreza. If you look at the Lexicon, Strongs H3566 word korez, it says that it is a word from Persia, meaning "the sun." Bene would be "child of." Together Bene Koreza could possibly mean - child of the Sun, or children of the Sun.
It's not a Jewish channel (not really) the founder is a Messianic Christian and really appreciates Hebrew culture. He's a very open minded Christian.
I have an episode talking about each one of us becoming a sealed book. Because we are a living record, like Christ is the word made flesh. God is the word. We are a loving church. A living record. 3 things bear record of us as we take them upon us… Moses 6…
You need to contact Brian Stubbs in Blanding, Utah. He is a linguist and is an expert on paleo-Hebrew. He is a retired professor at Utah State Blanding Campus.
I'm looking forward to a publication in a renowned peer reviewed scientific magazine.
Not holding my breath though.
Guys, don’t be naive. These are forgeries. This is the same person who made the Jordan Lead Codices. Common!
On the outside of the tree of life and temple images are the Sunburst representing the promised land. Lehi and his family being led to where 🤔
Was this written in reformed Egyptian or Hebrew
Check Wayne May's discussion of "The Mystic Symbol" in Hopewell artifacts...
See Wayne May's artifact explanation of a writing tool that could be used as a pen to engrave in wax... than to a reverse mold for metal production
So cool!!
I’ve always believed there were more scriptures than the Bible. Even before I joined the LDS church.
How cool! It looks like the video keeps jumping forward.
is there not another reference to "24" in the 12 apostles of the Bible and the 12 apostles of the of the Book of Mormon? Each of the 24 went out to gather in the seeds that sprouted and bring them into the Church represented by the 24 other circles. I believe the Biblical apostles were senior and they or one of them would oversee the Church from the Gentiles.
So exciting! Keep your seatbelt buckled up! ☀️❤️
Hi guys, thank you for all you do! When you're playing other conversations, it's distracting/ confusing to have over-talking. 😊
What is the cost of the book? I went to the reserve site, but it’s not listed. I can’t reserve until I know the cost. Thanks!
sorry, these have been been proven to be a forgery as well.
Hey question! the gold book that was found in Saudi Arabia, is it the same language of the gold plates from the original BOM? and are there any direct quotes on what was found on this? (just a investigator asking ;)
I haven’t watched this yet. I seldomly click on click bait sounding videos titles but know the Paul’s to be honest men, and will start watching it now.
I doubt that these plates, if real, have much Christ centered writing on them, but I am anxious to see more and more “golden plate” type of records found to yet again, provide more physical evidence (just keep adding it to the list!) to what JS declared he found and translated via the gift and power of God.
Question: Did this episode of “Shabbat Night Live” air on April Fool’s day by chance? I’m all sorts of pessimistic about this whole thing. I’m about 1/4 of the way through now.
This is mind blowing and it's not possible for international buyers to get the book. I'll take my time, I still have the other books of David to finish first.
Isn't Heavily Father amazing I took a very deep dive back into the scriptures recently and had doubts after my wife who.I married in the Provo temple was shot and passed away nut our daughter just got baptized and I actually just today prayed with all my heart that I could believe about our faith and Joseph and the book of Mormon because its been a hard.7 years without her and I forgot how TRUE and amazing all of this is!!!
Oh Dear Brother in Christ. The Lord has His hand in your very prayer. May you find comfort and peace and feel your wife and the Lord near. I’m so sorry for your families loss.
Come back to the good ship Zion my brother! For His yoke is easy and His burden is light!
God bless you brother in your courage and faith to look to Christ. Prayers of peace and strength for you. May you continue to see God's hands in your life and the love of your wife and the peace of Christ. Miracles everyday. Way to look and see!
You should never give up. You're not alone. Heavenly Father loves you. Keep up doing your fatherly and family good deeds. I know the book of Mormon is true.
Bad things happen for our knowledge to love and obey God. Or follow down satans path. I could blame God for my horrible year of 2 months in jail and bailed out for 30k for shooting my step dad in self defense. And not see the miracles that i got to go home on bail and now exhonerated because they finally put all the evidence together that my family and myself was not safe and could get cops. Or i could follow into satans hemisphere after those miracles i had and be mad at God for allowing satan the destroyer to hurt me and my family. We are in the test period before Christ comes back hes finding his people for his return
"Between now and the time the Savior comes again we will see...miracles"
I was thinking the same thing. I wonder if people will start connecting the dots
Both pro and anti. Miracles can't replace righteousness and testimony.
@@payaj2815 the important thing here is, are you connecting the dots?
Brenda I'm trying to find Members that have experienced the presense of their Heavenly Father inside their body. Have felt him and the presense of Heaven inside their body like I have. I'm just trying to find anyone that can relate to feeling things inside their body.
You're all nuts.
Interesting coincidence that this find became publicly available on April 3, 2024, the same day the Angel Moroni was reinstalled on the highest spire of the Temple in Salt Lake City.
Things are never a coincidence.
Two days after April Fools Gold day makes it's a twofer PSYOP
It's a April Fools Gold two days after April 1 twofer PSYOP