What i love about this game is that every time i watch my character i learn new things about them I always go for up air with zss after down throw but no i see F air is not that bad I noticed a few ways to play of stage as well :)
ConureMaster this zss and a lot of them are completely predictable. I love zss, she's been my fav since brawl, and is sad to see her being played like this.
Could someone explain me how the characters are picked? I mean if player 1 starts and Player 2 picks a "counter" (i dont even know if that exists in SSB4; let´s just say Charakter with a favorable Matchup to that character of player 1), can player 1 change his character again?
I believe both players just choose a character to start, and then the winner is allowed change characters but must do it first, then player 2 pick their character afterwards so they have their "counter" to player 1.
Does anyone understand what Salem meant by "In this type of game, Zero Suit is a 50/50 type of character"? Does that imply momentum, matchups, or skillcaps? I'm thinking of maining ZSS as soon as I get the game, that's why I'm asking.
All ZSS players think they are so special. But they don't realize that they all do the exact same shit. The only reason they win is because she has so little lag on her moves, even when she screws up.
***** lol you scrub. When did I ever mention that I lose to ZSS? You just assumed. I main DDD, and while its a difficult matchup for me, I win over 80% of the time. Why? Because like I mentioned, she is so easy to read. ZAP ZAP ZAP is really all it is. And hope for an upsmash. Your pretty funny. "Get Good" If you only knew how good I am. I amaze myself.
***** Yeah totally dude, they ALL suck. What was I thinking. I haven't fought ONE good ZSS. Ever. They were all probably some 3 year old playing. I must suck real bad. Im sorry I was such a whiner. Let me check my drivers license real quick. Oh look at that. I wasn't born yesterday.
Bro, have you seen frikkin yoshi?! You talk about no lag... I can only beat a good yoshi when I pull out my main. And ZSS isn't as broken as you think. She can be hard to punish if the player is playing safely, spacing with nairs/zairs (how I play her) and a frame 1 jab is nice, but you find ways to win without getting punishes. One of my room mates is an amazing yoshi, (won 3 or 4 local tourneys) and I can't punish him at all, but I won a recent tournament against him in finals so yeah it's possible! :3
Khyronic Ive seen Yoshi, and how good he is. I feel he will definitely be Top 5 once a solid tier list comes out in a few years. Hes super strong, super fast, and has a lot of priority. I hate it so much that he hits me while im hitting him. Like he somehow breaks off of my combo and starts to combo me. Its very annoying. As for ZSS, I feel she is overly fast. Her moves come out so fast one after the other with very little lag. So its so hard to hit her or punish anything she does. Oh and by the way, Im a Dedede main. Sure hes not the best character in the game, but I get the same things with Peach, my other main. I think im pretty good, as I have a 85% win rate. And the people I lose to are Yoshi, ZSS, Rosaluma, Fox. Most of the characters who are considered high tiered.
ConureMaster I see where you're coming from, and yeah I totally understand. The game is still young, maybe there is one glaring weakness that we haven't discovered yet. I was watching a stream last night and someone asked how to counter ZSS, because he is a ZZSS main. He replied to bait out her grab because of the incredible end lag if the player misses. Trust me, I've lost a couple matches because I was punished for missing a grab... :/
no offense but this other kid shouldn't be commentating. He doesn't even sound comfortable doing it. Sneaking in little "oohs" now and then and showing his little knowledge of the game pointing out obvious things, compared to keitaro's analysis and understanding. Also saying terrible generalizations by saying Salem would win based on a brawl match like 2 years ago..
It's weird watching these old vids of DK before he got ding dong. How did the dev team think he was actually a balanced character on release...lmao. DK was SOOOO bad in the early days.
It's nice to see that Salem's still around.
As a DK main that matchup looks really frustrating
I feel you, DK is all about reads, you get one wrong and you'll get a hard punish
Glad to see Salem still using ZSS
I wish I couldn't see times on tournament videos. You can gage who will win based on winner of first Match and time of video.
Man, I love zero suit. It makes me happy to watch it played at this mechanical level
What i love about this game is that every time i watch my character i learn new things about them
I always go for up air with zss after down throw but no i see F air is not that bad
I noticed a few ways to play of stage as well
:)
Me too. I also saw that forward throw to dash attack is a thing.
Zero Suit Samus King is back?
Choco tho
you mean Zero Skill Spamus
NoahsArk705 You have overused that joke. Grow up and get over it.
Houston White dude its been like, a month, maybe your the one who needs to get over it?
NoahsArk705 Time doesnt mean anything when I have just seen it recently.
I never get sick of watching Will's Donkey Kong. He really showcases just how underrated the character really is.
His DK is great... But I still think he need practice against long-range characters.. If he had more patience.. He might've won this fight
+SS2 GRIZZLYMAN I'm not an expert by all means, but I feel like he would've dodged a lot more than he shielded, he would've won.
I love these kinds of matches, DK Vs. ZSS, kinda tired of the whole 'Everyone picks Diddy Kong, Sheik and Rosalina' bullshit.
implying that Zero Skill Spamus is any better
at least sheik requires some form of skill
NoahsArk705 salt detected
I agree somewhat though
Roggentrolla nah man ill admit to having salt but its justified
NoahsArk705 That's all ZSS is! Spam! All ZSS do the same crap, almost in the same order. The best people who use ZSS just do it better.
ConureMaster this zss and a lot of them are completely predictable. I love zss, she's been my fav since brawl, and is sad to see her being played like this.
The meta is so much more developed now
do these tourneys happen like all over the country?
I'd like to know where these happened cuz maybe sometime I'd like to try just entering a tournament
wheres the hitstun for combos?
Could someone explain me how the characters are picked? I mean if player 1 starts and Player 2 picks a "counter" (i dont even know if that exists in SSB4; let´s just say Charakter with a favorable Matchup to that character of player 1), can player 1 change his character again?
I believe both players just choose a character to start, and then the winner is allowed change characters but must do it first, then player 2 pick their character afterwards so they have their "counter" to player 1.
Thx :D
Not impressed with Donkey Kong's performance.
Does anyone understand what Salem meant by "In this type of game, Zero Suit is a 50/50 type of character"? Does that imply momentum, matchups, or skillcaps? I'm thinking of maining ZSS as soon as I get the game, that's why I'm asking.
DK power, vs ZSS tech and aerial game. Each lack what the other has, that's why it was 50/50 from my understanding.
navataru dk does not have a 50/50 against zss.. or anyone really
Maximillan Young
I think DK is actually somewhat decent, being skillful is necessary, he's not a beginner character, at least not in this game.
He's one of my mains too, but you cant argue that a lot of match ups are very tough. custom moves can helpp, but of course they're banned
How come so many matchups are disadvantageous for ZSS? Doesn't she have good reach and recoveries to give her a solid moveset AKA bad match up proof?
I find it hilarious this guy said if you beat M2K Will is free and will just beat M2K a couple days ago lol. So what does that make M2K then?
People sleep on the heavy weights. But they are really good now.
I fell asleep on stream... lol.
gunblade+pierce=best commentator pair :(
I just started playing ZSS. For me, Samus stings like a bee! I actually got the CPU up to 300 percent. Dude will just not DIE!
DARK AS MIDNIGHT
Where's that up-b?!?!
Look at Nairo's face in the background. He always looks like he smells shit. lol
All ZSS players think they are so special. But they don't realize that they all do the exact same shit. The only reason they win is because she has so little lag on her moves, even when she screws up.
***** lol you scrub. When did I ever mention that I lose to ZSS? You just assumed. I main DDD, and while its a difficult matchup for me, I win over 80% of the time. Why? Because like I mentioned, she is so easy to read. ZAP ZAP ZAP is really all it is. And hope for an upsmash.
Your pretty funny. "Get Good" If you only knew how good I am. I amaze myself.
***** Yeah totally dude, they ALL suck. What was I thinking. I haven't fought ONE good ZSS. Ever. They were all probably some 3 year old playing. I must suck real bad. Im sorry I was such a whiner.
Let me check my drivers license real quick.
Oh look at that. I wasn't born yesterday.
Bro, have you seen frikkin yoshi?! You talk about no lag... I can only beat a good yoshi when I pull out my main. And ZSS isn't as broken as you think. She can be hard to punish if the player is playing safely, spacing with nairs/zairs (how I play her) and a frame 1 jab is nice, but you find ways to win without getting punishes. One of my room mates is an amazing yoshi, (won 3 or 4 local tourneys) and I can't punish him at all, but I won a recent tournament against him in finals so yeah it's possible! :3
Khyronic Ive seen Yoshi, and how good he is. I feel he will definitely be Top 5 once a solid tier list comes out in a few years. Hes super strong, super fast, and has a lot of priority. I hate it so much that he hits me while im hitting him. Like he somehow breaks off of my combo and starts to combo me. Its very annoying.
As for ZSS, I feel she is overly fast. Her moves come out so fast one after the other with very little lag. So its so hard to hit her or punish anything she does.
Oh and by the way, Im a Dedede main. Sure hes not the best character in the game, but I get the same things with Peach, my other main. I think im pretty good, as I have a 85% win rate. And the people I lose to are Yoshi, ZSS, Rosaluma, Fox. Most of the characters who are considered high tiered.
ConureMaster I see where you're coming from, and yeah I totally understand. The game is still young, maybe there is one glaring weakness that we haven't discovered yet. I was watching a stream last night and someone asked how to counter ZSS, because he is a ZZSS main. He replied to bait out her grab because of the incredible end lag if the player misses. Trust me, I've lost a couple matches because I was punished for missing a grab... :/
Thumbs up if you are here for smosh
no offense but this other kid shouldn't be commentating. He doesn't even sound comfortable doing it. Sneaking in little "oohs" now and then and showing his little knowledge of the game pointing out obvious things, compared to keitaro's analysis and understanding. Also saying terrible generalizations by saying Salem would win based on a brawl match like 2 years ago..
also his mannerisms seem like insecure and uncomfortable, not commentator-like. Not to be mean but he's not fit for it at all
HAY TIENEN A UN MAL PERDEDOR xD
It's weird watching these old vids of DK before he got ding dong. How did the dev team think he was actually a balanced character on release...lmao. DK was SOOOO bad in the early days.
this donkey kong is aweful
Literally the best DK player in the world since Brawl. You're clueless.
I hate ZSS players. Such a cheap character. -_-
ZeRo plays Sheik and Falcon now, and he rarely uses ZSS.
I don't really like zero either so it's not much to me.