Your claim that no one tried to help David Sharp is absolutely incorrect. First of all the group that passed him going up could not have helped him anyway. If a rescue is possible at all it happens during daylight hours, not at 2:00 in the morning. Secondly he WAS checked and was found to be non responsive. A rescue is not going to happen when someone can't walk, or even communicate. Are you even aware of where greenboots cave is? It's on the northeast ridge below the second step. A climber can NOT be taken down from there without being able to assist themselves. Thirdly, SEVERAL people radioed below about him. They were all told that if he couldn't get moving then they could not help him. On their way back from the summit several climbers checked David again, and 3 sherpas pulled him from the cave into the sunlight and tried to get him moving. He could not do so. He was beyond help. It is SO unfair to the climbers that they are blamed for his death. David chose climb alone with no sherpa assistance, and no radio. He chose to use a company that did little more for him than obtain his permit to climb. He began his summit attempt late in the afternoon, on an unusually cold day. David's death was no one's fault but his own. I'm sorry for his family that he lost his life, but it was NOT anyone else's fault that he put himself in a situation where he couldn't be helped. This is why you don't hire a third rate guide company, why you don't attempt to summit at the wrong time of day, and why you don't climb alone, with no means of communication. There are interviews with the climbers who were gutted by the fact that they couldn't help David. STOP perpetuating the absolute lie that none of them cared
Many good points but climbing it without any guide company, radio or bottled oxygen and alone is not a bad idea(see Messner,ect..) IF you have the acquired experience. In fact it's in way better style and can be safer
Many people did try to help David Sharpe but despite being given oxygen and water, he was barely conscious and could not be revived. There are several books and documentaries on it.
Simple fact is that David Sharp was unable to walk, and that simple fact says that he was a dead man up there, even if each and every one of those 30-40 folks helped him he was not going to make it he was unable to fucking walk and if you cannot walk up there you are fucked up.
Okay.....here's why & how the body shuts down upon inhaling Oxygen depleted air: When a person gets nauseated....that's your body warning you, telling you that your brain is swelling. When you vomit, that's your body saying it's almost done trying to save itself, as the body's "compensatory" systems are being depleted. And that the brain is massively swollen. Which is also being caused by dehydration that throws the body into Hyponatremia...Sodium depletion, which exacerbates the low O2 brain swelling. This is why you must "super hydrate" with ONLY water, as tea and coffee are natural Diuretics and WILL dehydrate you. And NEVER ingest more salt to overcome Hyponatremia....just think water......if you remember Osmosis from High School Science, you'll understand why. Nausea and/or vomiting is a real bad sign of "end stage brain swelling". Same thing occurs after you suffer a closed head injury/trauma to your head or get bitten by a Rabid Dog. The brain swells.....the nausea begins & your eyes start to become dilated and slower reponse in the Pupils. Once you start vomiting, that action of wretching causes intracranial pressure to Increase; which then causes the brain to be so swollen that your brain is getting ready to herniate through the "Foramen Ovale"; the hole at the base of your skull; where the spinal cord enters the brain, because the brain has no where else to go....it's been jammed into the skull wall. Your body was created to be its own miracle healing machine, as the body gives each of us symptoms that tell us when something is BAD wrong. God sure did create us humans to be amazing beings. If a trauma occurs, our bodies will build "collateral" veins, nerves, etc., kind of like highways that go around damaged tissue that will provide us with essential Oxygen and nutrients to sustain our bodies. But when the body is overwhelmed with Multi-System Organ Failure, as it has run out of options to save itself, the body shunts all the blood in the body to the heart and lastly, the brain. Which is why "end stage climbers" hallucinate, and cannot walk.....the brain is firing off multiple signals to synapses so fast....as the electrical current dies....you'll see things from your past, and even loved ones. At that point, the body is beyond saving. Which is why you MUST keep moving. NO MATTER HOW COLD YOU ARE, you must keep moving. That is what will save you. As moving keeps your blood flowing enough to get down to a safer level, and obtaining Oxygen and water! Just an FYI from an ER/ICU/Trauma & Neuro-trauma ICU Nurse who loves to help people to understand the human body. Btw.....If people would take Baby Aspirin and drink lots of water before climbing Everest......I guarantee you'd have less deaths from HACE and heart attacks, etc. Aspirin is a wonderful light blood thinner and Anti-inflammatory drug that will help prevent a lot of the health problems that occur from high atmospheric pressure on the body and low O2. You should take Baby Aspirin for 2-4 weeks before a flight to prevent blood clot formation from sitting too long.....even Gamblers who sit in a Casino should take Aspirin, in addition to automobile traveling. Especially as you age and smoke. I hope this helps....and I apologize for how long this is. I guess I'm just shocked at how these Everest companies don't require their clients to do something so simple that would prevent a lot of deaths.😊
The current situation of Mt. Everest is sad, sad, sad. It's all about money, now. If you have enough of it you can hire an adventure company to lead you up the montain. It's okay if your level of fitness and experience are not up to par because you can be "short roped" to a Sherpa and literally pulled up the mountain. The Sherpas already did all the really hard work for you, such as selecting a route through the dangerous ice falls, setting ropes, installing ladders to cross crevasses, carrying all your crap to Base Camp, pitching your tents, etc. The government of Nepal has come to depend on the millions of dollars brought in from Everest climbers. It's a vicious cycle: Rich people want a thrill to brag about, the Sherpas do all the heavy work so the rich people can fulfill their pompous whims, and the Government needs the money. So, it continues and people keep dying or losing limbs so they can gratify their own egos.
David Sharp was very much helped. Many stayed with him and even gave him oxygen. He couldn't move on his own. He was in the death Zone. And all of it was from his own bad decisions. Yet they risked their lives to try to help him
@@cattymajiv these list videos are often not well enough researched. But if people gain interest in certain cases they will find that this is a rushed , made to sound dramatic one. always do your own research!
I was about to say, you can't really help someone who collapses near the top. Every second matters in the death zone, and when you stop to help someone you're only putting yourself at risk too. That's why they hardly recover bodies.
No. 4. The Indian team did not reach the summit. In a whiteout they thought they'd reached the high point but were still 800 feet below the summit. Their three teammates did not "abandon" them but rather, turned around due to the worsening weather [they were hit by the same storm that hit Rob Hall and Scott Fischers teams on the Nepalese side of Everest] The survivors [who summitted in a later attempt] said the three who died refused to heed their pleas to turn around due to "summit fever".
Not sure how the sherpas became the villians on mt everest. "Leaving their own..", "attacking western climbers", with no background provided. Its western mountaineering culture which is quite comfortable leaving people on the mountains. And its usually sherpas doing any rescuing. In mitigation, i dont think anyone can be judged too harshly under the incredible duress as these climbers all face.
Yes how dare they criticize the innocent, pure hearted and can do no wrong holier than thou Sherpa's.. They should just stick to bashing Westerners as they are the only ones capable of making bad decisions or doing wrong.
@@johndorilag4129 Some of the sherpa probably thought they were still cannibal tribal men with bows and arrows and spears.. Racism can go both ways mate..
All the comments about " abandoned by his own team " are the words of someone who has never climbed. At those altitudes, you're pretty much on your own, like it or not.
100% agreed. At that height it's physically impossible to get someone else down that mountain that is immobile, let alone get yourself down without becoming immobile yourself! I hate how people judge when they have no idea what being at 28,000ft in the air feels like and what it does to the human body and mind!
Good shout. Don't understand these hippy hill ramblers myself. They must be insecure people who must do something stupid to feel a sense of achievement.
I have to believe the Italian climbers must have said something extremely insulting for not just 1 or 2 Sherpas to get upset, but bring a whole mob back with them to attack the Italian team.
@@balibee3343 - Really ? Holy shit. Yeah I guess that would be about as insulting as it gets in the case of the Sherpas. They are a very proud culture for many good reasons.
A climber named John Beebe saw it & said they didn't bring any mob back, but about 40 other climbers were there watching the situation unfold and the story was embellished into "a mob of 100 with knives". It happened because the Italian climbers ignored the Sherpas request that they not climb above them. The went above them and snow, ice came down on the other climbers. When they all got back to camp the Sherpa came & threw rocks at their tent. Others were similarly angry and the Italians left of their own accord not wanting to continue in a hostile environment.
If I'm ever doing as dangerous as trying to reach the summit of Mt Everest with a team... I'm already ok with the team leaving me for dead if it comes down to it. Save me if you can, but don't die trying.
~~ that pretty much gets drilled into anyone who dares to venture into the 'death zone' - there is only so much anyone can do to help a climber in serious distress - even the Sherpas have their limits - and nobody can spend much time trying.
The thing is... after a specific point u cant help others because if you do, you will die with the person. The climb is stressful enough for one single person.
I've always looked at it this way; you can believe in a higher power or not, but no one can save your body from the power of nature; if you challenge, -or disrespect ,nature often or egregiously enough, it will take your life.And you will likely have it coming.I learned this in a sudden ,freak storm on a Cape Cod ferry that was tossing that huge ship like a twig.No contest. Simple, really.
This video paints those who choose not to help the victims as selfish. From someone who has climbed Denali and Aconcagua, I can tell you at those altitudes, you’re easily burning 15k calories a day and simple cognitive functions become a challenge. Other climbers didn’t abandon these people, it’s just known in the mountaineering community, that if you are struggling with HACE, HAPE, altitude sickness, etc that if you expect others to stop and help, you could in fact be signing their death warrants as well,
Completely agreed. There is simply no resources to help someone in need at Mt. Everest, it’s just too risky. Every ounce of equipment and energy you have for yourself, it’s incredibly risky to give even a quarter of that to help support someone else.
And thats the problem with mountain climbing being now a business you cant expect much help from a group of climbers that they dont know each other leaded by some guides and sherpas after they pay tons of money. You can pay for people to practically carry you, 30 years ago no one not qualified was attempting Everest or any other 8000 like that, nowadays you climb something that is 4000 and you think "I can do Himalayas if I save enough money" I know a rich guy that hiked Kilimanjaro (yes you hike Kilimanjaro is not a climb) and then went to Nepal
You climbed Aconcagua!? I'm impressed. Ill go as far as visiting macchu Picchu on my how high tour of South America, but getting into the foothills of Aconcagua is all I'd do! I'm not crazy or rich enough to summit!
At the place & altitude where David Sharp stopped and could no longer move under his own power there was only one person capable of rescuing him. Himself.
As for Francys and Sergei, I've always wondered how in the hell they got separated. When there are but 2 people coming off of the mountain together, married no less, how do they not stay within 10 feet of each other? I would have thought that they had quite an accomplishment to celebrate and would be excited to be descending together as husband and wife, then all of a sudden he doesn't know where she is, and yet he just goes down alone. I wouldn't have let my partner out of my sight on the descent, knowing how perilous it is. But to lose track of your spouse? Something just seemed wrong about the entire situation. Then to return and find her only to fall? Just 2 people were privileged to what happened up there, and no one else will ever know.
What it comes down to is that most of us don’t know what it’s like up there. It’s not like these people walked by someone dying in the street and did nothing. Even with O2 it’s hard to breath up there and the barometric pressure up there makes 1lb feel like 10. It’s impossible to carry someone who can’t walk down the mountain when you yourself need both your hands and feet to get down alive yourself. Edit ~> you messed up the title. It’s not people who leave their groups, it’s groups that leave their people.
It's the sherpas job to get you up the mountain, not to sacrifice their life for you. Also, there are two records of husbands leaving their wives for dead on everest, but the one in this vid isn't a great example, since he literally died trying to save her.
When you are on Everest their is no husband and wife....each man to himself, survival of the fittest.... Husbands and wives has no right climbing Everest if they have children...people are selfish
HACE, or high altitude cerebral edema, generally disables a person and is potentially lethal; in the Death Zone of Everest, it's a virtual death sentence. As far as that climber in the first story, her group may not have had any choice in abandoning her. Sherpa will generally only leave someone if they feel there is no chance of that person surviving. Despite having read numerous articles/books on high-altitude climbing and survival, this is the first story I've encountered (if this is indeed what happened) in which a sherpa "refused to help" someone. Those of you wanting to argue this point -- yes, I get it, it's wrong to abandon a climber, the humanity, etc. The point I want to make is that NO ONE SHOULD BE CLIMBING THIS MOUNTAIN. It's sacred to the Nepalese, and every year people pay vast sums of money in order to risk not only their own lives but those of the underpaid sherpas to get them to the summit for crowing rights. It's hideous.
In the death zone you can expect little help once you go down from anyone just oxygen water and meds everyone is to busy trying save their own lives and will not forfeit theres to save yours. Sherpas are paid well and will leave you like anyone else same reason. The economy is stimulated by local sherpas guiding people to the summit with sacred expensive nepal permits.
Maybe am just timid but I don't know how I pay for my death in the name of adventure. Am in Uganda where the source of river Nile starts but whites pay lots to sail on dangerous water falls and indeed some have drowned on this longest river
Beck Weathers might not climb again, but he’s alive, thanks to his own amazing will to live and unmatched fortitude. Many others gave up when things got tough, so give Weathers the respect he earned for NOT GIVING UP.
Its a remarkable story, but it's kinda a slap in the face to those that didn't survive. Like they weren't "tough" enough or didn't have the "will" to survive. I bet even Beck Weathers would say it was just blind luck he survived. I'm sure all the others wanted to survive just as bad.
@@mpreiss7780 , The simple fact and truth is that Beck Weathers survived ONLY because he was able to WALK, he walked on his own and made is way to the nearest camp, unlike all he others who did not survive Beck Weathers was able to WALK, every single person who has not suffered fatal falls and who has died up there died because they could not walk, even Rob Hall and Scott Fisher they both died because they fell under conditions where they could not walk.
@@AngelGonzalez-pd4cn Yes Scott fisher and Hall died when they collapsed in the snow and were unable to move but they did not take a fall before dying. And neither did the many who died that were huddled on the large col at 8000 meters. Everyone that died didn't take a fall, but just collapsed and never got up....the same as Beck, but for some unknow reason Beck survived the night and was rescued later that day. He could of never survived and walked down on his own. he needed big time help to get down the mountain
People just don't realize... it's not just the altitude, lack of oxygen, cold, and exhaustion. There's also 60-70 degree pitches on icy terrain, where one slip can send you sliding toward a 9,000ft vertical drop. Trying to bring someone down will increase your odds of death exponentially. This happened during the K2 tragedy in 2008. A group of four climbers tried bringing a body down and one of them slipped and went tumbling off the mountain to his death.
@@semoneg2826 And every climber is supposed to know that. You don't even go unless you accept the risk of death. That being said though, there are a ton of variables, and every case is different. For example a lot of people do needlessly endanger others. And on the opposite extreme, many people have died trying to help others.
I've gotten an obsession about Everest, watched TH-cam videos, googled and researched stories, people, disasters, etc. I believe that the unwritten moral decisions of majority of climbers and teams is : in the death zone, if the person can walk upright, and is willing to accept direction, help will be given, base camp will be called for rescue. Is there is enough O2 to keep everybody functional? Are the people even capable of helping?? And the delusions and mental state with low O2 and brain swelling etc., ? Nobody can manhandle unwilling adults for any length of time. Do you sacrifice one life for many?? Getting a helicopter/plane rescue can be impossible too Many people are trying to summit without any experience--just a lot of money and ego. I don't know if the guides carry the meds nesc to treat brain swelling, etc. That would help save lives. "Going up is optional. Going down is mandatory" they say. The wise ones know when to quit and go back down.
"They were abandoned by the stronger climber that went to get help".... Obviously the person's involved in creating this video have never climbed or even researched
the strongest climber came back four times to save as many people as he could, Beck was just one of the two people he could not get because he collapsed himself after being out in the storm and going up alone and down with and additional person in the freezing storm of 1996 this creator is an id*ot
After watching David Breashear’s excellent documentary on Mount Everest, my goal in life now is to stay as far away from Tibet as possible! Edit: the answer is “No” I would not attempt to climb Mount Everest.
I’ve read many times that you are on your own when you have problems. At least from the viewpoint of other climbers. Trying to help someone puts the rescuer in peril.
Even as a empathetic person, It's really hard to feel sorry for people who go out of their way to potentially throw their lives away, and destroy their families in the process, by engaging in highly risky behaviours (mountain-climbing, cave-diving, dangerous animal encounters, etc). For me, these people must be lacking something in themselves to have to get to a certain height, depth, or their heads close to the biggest jaws, in order to feel that they've achieved something. I feel for their friends and family, but every time I hear about another one dying, I can only think "Why did you put yourself in that position?!" In all of their final moments they must be considering how fucking stupid they've been. The survivors of such incidents can't get away from their respective scenarios quickly enough - it's very telling when it's no longer 'fun'. In a world where death can come in a million forms at any given moment, to throw your life at long odds is close to being disrespectful, in my very humble opinion.
Well its very obvious you know nothing about why most climbers climb. but most climbers will live into this wonderful old age you speak of. It's far from a death sentence. You come across as jealous and quite simple minded, in my humble opinion. Also, nobody's asking you to feel sorry for anyone, especially the climber's themselves.
You can play it safe your whole life and never achieve or experience anything. And in the end, you are just as dead as those who died doing what they were passionate about. We all make our choices. I do not regret any of mine.
That first story is pretty rediculous! Her own team leader harassed her on the way up, the Sherpas refused to help her, and her own team wouldn't give her water or food??? GEEEZ!!!!
Isn't the climber suppose to carry their own drinking water bottle and oxygen etc?. Can't expect others to carry your own mask and water bottle. Why climb if person can't carry water bottle?
Just an opinion from someone completely detached from the world of climbing. It seems to me that climbing Everest is an extreme sport with no margin for error in which you enter at your own peril.
@@Tsumami__ True there are steeper mountains but being "just high" creates the biggest threat to climbers. Also the SW route may be technically fairly "easy" but there's more sides to Everest. Try the NE ridge or SW face, ect..that isn't that "easy"
@@Tsumami__ There is a lot of other factors that makes Everest dangerous, alltitude, storms, bad weather, coldness, etc etc...And thanks to the sherpas many make it down alive
@@mpreiss7780 If my husband or brother are dumb enough to go climbing into a death zone, I would have already accepted their death. Trying to help someone will kill you. In the earth zone, your body is dying. Organs are shutting down and your brain isn’t getting enough oxygen. If you add extra weight by trying to help someone down, the extra exertion could kill you. If you climb Everest, you have accepted death. There’s no question.
@@playfulpanthress I agree is their choice. you call it a dumb choice, this I do not agree with. Whether your trying K2 , mt Rainier or driving to the supermarket...you should accept you could die. Climbers do not think your way... They climb to live, not to die
@@mpreiss7780 I've watched Jurassic Park: Lost World, also. It IS a dumb choice. Regardless of why they choose it. People who take hallucinogenic drugs and/or heroin are "freeing their mind" or chasing the dragon. But no one calls them smart. You are literally dying over twenty-six thousand feet. And for what? Bragging rights? It is a rich person's sport that usually causes some poor schmuck their life. Now, living life itself is kind of a gamble. No one argues that. But choosing to do things that put your life in jeopardy is not smart. Why not walk across a lion or tiger enclosure dressed only in a meat dress or suit?? You might live, but it is unlikely. And even if you do survive, who actually cares? Yeah, you'd be part of an exclusive group of people also stupid enough to do it, but it only means something to the individual. And I personally find it insanely stupid. It is a dumb choice to climb a mountain that will most likely kill you. You don't get anything for it, hell, you have to pay for the privilege to go up there and die. Perhaps my blackness is showing. I don't have to seek out death like some of you white people. It is why they find the dumbest ways to die. Lemmings commiting mass suicide isn't real. But white people are definitely the human version of the phenomenon.
I think it's quite remarkable how someone who was not there, in this case the person making this video, has the audacity to even have an opinion about something he doesn't actually know anything about. Case in point David Sharp. John F. Kennedy was absolutely right. Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought.
I had a coworker many years ago that climbed many mountains. He said your IQ is inverse of altitude. A little over ten years ago he set a record climbing the 7 highest peaks on the 7 continents in record time at 58 years old. I know he still climbs and he is a month younger than me. The guy he first worked with as a guide is dead on Everest. Bodies dry out and they move around because all they are is dried bone and tissue. There are many unrecoverable bodies on Denali.
At least one person DID try to revive David actually. Gave him oxygen too. He said his name. He was too heavy and too hard to move. They know the risks. Don't cry.
Climbing Mt. Everest if totally optional activity, not a necessity, and therefore everyone assumes responsibility for themselves ultimately. While exhilarating, there's far safer ways to challenge oneself physically and mentally.
On Everest it’s every man/woman for themselves. You take care of you. It’s a selfish climb. Attempt to save another and two will die. Sure, miracles happen, but rarely. I do object to the overused word ‘abandoned’ as opposed to ‘allowed to rest in peace’. Stay home, watch documentaries, and read books.
I was very impressed with the sherpas uniting and attempting to clean up Everest. Reclaiming the sacred mountain. Trying to bring down bodies, discarded O2 tanks & equipment, etc.
We have a neighbour who got to within 300 feet of the summit of Everest when her oxygen ran out. Her sherpa guide said "now we die" and walked away from her. She managed to walk down to the South Col where she was given drinks and oxygen and she lived. When she reached Base Camp she met the sherpa who actually asked her for his tip. The following season she went back and summited, the oldest British woman to climb Everest.
I mean no one forces these people to climb the mountain and people could potentially be putting themselves at risk to help another. Than God for amazing people. All these people are extremely brave to even try climb everest.
Nobody has ever been abandoned on the mountain, they barely have enough energy to move themselves, let alone drag somebody behind them! When you go to Everest, you know that you are taking your life in your own hands, there's literally no one that can save you... I have watched every documentary on Everest, and I've never saw a story about somebody abandoning somebody... It's not like the Three Musketeers, All For One and one for all! They do what they can for their friends and then they save themselves if they can't, that's human nature... I can imagine from the beginning of time from the first person that tried to climb Everest, to the last person that just tried to climb Everest that they would never abandon their teammates, however, how can we be judgmental if we never know what it's like to be there, in that situation! During quarantine, I watched everything on Everest... They never abandoned anyone!
Yeah, from what I gather, it's one of the rules of the mountain, as you're pretty much at your limits even if your trek is "easy". Only the Sherpas have the ability to help people, mostly because of their genetic make-up, and even they aren't invincible.
@@Briguy1027 Most professional alpinists could help for awhile(not just Sherpas), if they had extra bottles of 02. But those cylinders are heavy, so they're limited and aren't readily accessible. Also a "treck" is what people do just walking to a base camp.
Everyone climbing up there, can't count on being saved, when things go wrong.... These conditions don't allow it. We don't belong up there! Everyone going up there has to be aware of that!...
I can highly recommend the excellent documentary ‘Sherpa’ which highlights how the mountain has become an income generator for the Nepalese government.
@@darksoul479 read the book 'Into Thin Air' by Jon Krakauer. A controversial book I admit but at least he was on the expedition. A good read whether you believe his version of the events or not.
Around 800 people try to climb Mount Everest annually. It takes an average of 40 days to climb to the peak from base camp and back (regardless of success). An average person produces about 1 pound of poop per day. So we can safely say that an average of 32,000 pounds of poop is left on the mountain each year. Poop doesn’t decompose above 20,000 feet. That means that in this century alone around 640.000 pounds of poop have been embedded to the mountain. So basically what these people are doing they are climbing the largest pile of shit in the world.
Those who choose to gamble and recklessly destroy themselves and their families lives do so by choice. Climbers have the alternative to STAY off the mountains. Hard to feel sympathy or even pity for those people who do not value their own lives much less their children's and families.
Once you're up in the Death Zone above 26,000 feet, it's each person for themselves,,,,,,,,, it's sad but very true. I for one would not try it, good health to all!
I know it's far fetched and people hate responsibility but In certain situations... society always seems to fault other people for decisions other people made and I think it's nuance to every story ....if you as a adult pack your bags get ready for a hike up a mountain with a bunch of people that your not absolutely sure would have your back in a situation that was life or death why go....alot of these people claim there the smartest most intelligent but there mind goes blank when it comes to critical thinking
All true but it's not even that ..when you are that high up you can't physically help someone down..the Sherpas can but it's risky most wouldn't risk there own lives for yours ..its basic survival
Why go? Because they assess the risk and decide that it’s worth to go for it. Imagine thinking that staying alive is everyone‘s goal number 1 in life. -120IQ take.
Green boots is not a reminder of how dangerous the mountain can be , but instead it’s how dangerous and selfish and stupid a person can be , good riddens , but he’s done something worthwhile , he’s a landmark now , thank you for that !
My advice to novice climbers is: try instead the Aconcagua in Chile, it is almost as tall yet it does not require so much effort to climb. It is not worth losing a limb out of mere pride.
I’ve done some decent high altitude hikes, once you get the a certain point if you or someone into danger it’s a rough decision but it’s either you try to save em and both end up dying or try leaving and getting help yourself I’ve been in a few hard situations myself where if I had my crew along one of us would of died. It’s part of the risk when you go out, doesn’t even have to be Everest plenty of people die in far less worse conditions.
Its not being "abandoned" there is physically nothing anyone can do sometimes even if physically people r well but mentally start trippin its wise to get away from them and keep going or die with them
correction: You can't expect people that climb Everest to help each other, because once past a certain altitude it is nearly impossible to help another person who is incapable of walking or moving under their own power. Watching other accounts on Everest it's apparent that people do help each other as much as possible. But once in the death zone if someone gets in trouble it quickly becomes a scenario where you can either stay and die with them, or head back down and survive yourself. The climbers all seem to understand this and know that's what they are signing up for.
As a novice hiker, I'm intrigued by the thought of climbing Everest. I don't think I would ever want to summit as the line is worse than waiting a popular thrill ride. Regardless, I would like to see the Mountain and climb up to Base Camp 1,2 or three. I don't want to go into the death zone. However, every hiker knows that anyone going into the death zone knows they have better than a 50/50 chance of death. Last count I think there are now over 300 bodies on Everest. Those who have been rescued off Everest are extremely lucky because it's nearly impossible to drag a body off the mountain.
If I was young and healthy I would love to go too, you should make your dream come true...but don't go farther than base camp. Truthfully I think the hike to base camp looks beautiful and you won't need to go higher. I think it would be a once in a life time dream. Tip your porter well.
There are thousands of lower mountains where the scenery is equally stunning, and where your chances of dying are way smaller. On Everest you're just climbing a silly number.
I love the picture that came up when u said food and water and the picture was of kit Kat candy...I'm glad I'm not the only 1 who thinks candy is considered food 😅
1:37. He didint vanished. he had been found with another climber barely alive in the deathzone. the rescuers decided to leave them since they would have died either way. the other climber DID end up dying but beck weathers survived. even though he was blind and very frostbitten he managed to get back to camp 4 ALONE. after that he was lowred to camp 2 and air lifted to a hospital from there.
"Beck and others were abandoned by a stronger climber who went to get help" HUH????? If the stronger climber went to get help, he wasn't abandoning anyone. Who writes this crap?
Beck Weathers did not disappear on the South Col. In the morning after the storm teammate Dr Stuart Hutchison concluded that Beck was beyond saving. That afternoon he stumbled into Camp 4. The next day he was helped down to the top of the Kumbu icefall below Camp 1 where he was then rescued by a helicopter [approximately 17,800 feet]
Sherpas are the original, first and actuall climbers of mt everest. But British who occupied India that time called themselves as first to climb. But reality is they can't even take a step without the help of Sherpas, even the my everest is not real name it's real is chimulunga or sagaramatha.
I looked into the Sharp issue and it's 100% fact that the people who passed him had more interest in summiting than helping him. 12 hours after they passed him, and left him for dead, Sherpa's got him out of the cave and were talking to him. Even the leader of the group that passed him, Bryce, said he would have stopped to help if he had known Sharp was alive in the cave. I'm not saying I wouldn't have done the same thing if I invested 20-30K into my summit attempt. But the reality is he would have needed the Sherpas to get him down and without them the group couldn't summit. End of story. Anyone saying differently either doesn't know the facts/timeline or (maybe correctly) thinks Sharp got himself into that situation by refusing to carry much oxygen and equipment so didn't deserve the help.
Watch the national geographic on him his party was there to help him but couldn't manage to keep him from freaking out and they had to leave him cause they had to belay down tied to him while he was flailing about and got him to the spot where they found him stripping his clothes off slowly way later. They left him there because he collapsed after flailing and they had to go get help but the weather hadnt cleared. So his group wasn't at fault and he himself said he would've done the same but after they left him alot of those people thought he was either dead or just chilling and past him in which case it would be hours before they would return and notice him still sitting there. Its not like they knew.
He wasn't asking for help or moving very much so they had no idea if you saw the spot its hard to notice unless you are forcing yourself to look backwards before the ascent.
Nobody would have been able to get him down without him being able to move on his own from where he was. So the only hope is you abandon your summit, give him your oxygen, and hope he recovers. And hope you don't die while doing that. The fact is Sharp went up without a team and without oxygen, and he alone is responsible for his death.
Sherpas are trained to rescue ...ordinary people have the rights to make a sound decisions your life or mines....it might sound selfish but climbing Everest is a big Risk each man to himself
Your telling of David Sharps story is not only inaccurate, but makes no sense. If NO ONE stopped to check on him at all than how did they know he was still alive that whole time?!? Several people did walk by thinking he was dead, but a few others checked on him while they were ascending & descending. They offered him oxygen & tried to assist him, however he was to weak to climb down even with aid & passed away. Also a few of the other stories you told were inaccurate, misleading, or omitted important information, please fact check better!!!🤔🤔🤔
Many experienced mountaineers said Mt Everest is one of the easiest to climb. Wonder if you remove the Sherpas, if the Everest will become easy or tough with out the ropes and ladders. Glad you came out nice. Yet many articles point that Mt Everest is a death zone, due it's thin air. And many people just want to be at the highest in the world precisely because it is easy to climb with the help of the Sherpas!
People feel like it's OK to leave people by justification that thier lives are in danger because of the fallen . But my thoughts are these ,you know who you are going with you have been climbing together for weeks. Who is going to forgive you , if you leave someone behind. Not me and if there is justice in the hearafter than not God either. It's all of our duty to take care of one another until God calls us home. We are on loan from God until we are called home . So you can abandon his child but as for me I will do whatever it takes
Stay the hell off of Everest... God give us wisdom we need to use it...God never send us to risk our lives like this....this is human choice and you pay the price..... Many times people are in no position to help others without killing themselves....There are place son this earth that God created that could kill us....if God wanted us to climb mountains he would have installed steps........We take risk we pay the price
Anyone climbing these enormous peaks not only need to be prepared to die but also realize that your family may never be able to bury your body.
You have to sign a waiver wether you want to be left or saved and the family have to pay for it
Your claim that no one tried to help David Sharp is absolutely incorrect. First of all the group that passed him going up could not have helped him anyway. If a rescue is possible at all it happens during daylight hours, not at 2:00 in the morning. Secondly he WAS checked and was found to be non responsive. A rescue is not going to happen when someone can't walk, or even communicate. Are you even aware of where greenboots cave is? It's on the northeast ridge below the second step. A climber can NOT be taken down from there without being able to assist themselves. Thirdly, SEVERAL people radioed below about him. They were all told that if he couldn't get moving then they could not help him. On their way back from the summit several climbers checked David again, and 3 sherpas pulled him from the cave into the sunlight and tried to get him moving. He could not do so. He was beyond help. It is SO unfair to the climbers that they are blamed for his death.
David chose climb alone with no sherpa assistance, and no radio. He chose to use a company that did little more for him than obtain his permit to climb. He began his summit attempt late in the afternoon, on an unusually cold day. David's death was no one's fault but his own. I'm sorry for his family that he lost his life, but it was NOT anyone else's fault that he put himself in a situation where he couldn't be helped. This is why you don't hire a third rate guide company, why you don't attempt to summit at the wrong time of day, and why you don't climb alone, with no means of communication. There are interviews with the climbers who were gutted by the fact that they couldn't help David. STOP perpetuating the absolute lie that none of them cared
Many good points but climbing it without any guide company, radio or bottled oxygen and alone is not a bad idea(see Messner,ect..) IF you have the acquired experience. In fact it's in way better style and can be safer
So many inaccuracy in the story here. Like the incident happened in 2006, not 2018
@@mpreiss7780 true, but all the more reason why those who passed should not be blamed for his own intentions. He took the risk
@@shykur I agree. I'm sure the climbers did what they could but there's only so much help someone can do up that high
I have some timely advice for people who die on Mount Everest... "What did you expect?"
Many people did try to help David Sharpe but despite being given oxygen and water, he was barely conscious and could not be revived. There are several books and documentaries on it.
Simple fact is that David Sharp was unable to walk, and that simple fact says that he was a dead man up there, even if each and every one of those 30-40 folks helped him he was not going to make it he was unable to fucking walk and if you cannot walk up there you are fucked up.
nope. 1 person tried. without legs. and was blamed for not saving him
@@jiogcyihsugyiocjfdoivhphvw6821 several groups of people tried to help.
Okay.....here's why & how the body shuts down upon inhaling Oxygen depleted air:
When a person gets nauseated....that's your body warning you, telling you that your brain is swelling.
When you vomit, that's your body saying it's almost done trying to save itself, as the body's "compensatory" systems are being depleted. And that the brain is massively swollen. Which is also being caused by dehydration that throws the body into Hyponatremia...Sodium depletion, which exacerbates the low O2 brain swelling. This is why you must "super hydrate" with ONLY water, as tea and coffee are natural Diuretics and WILL dehydrate you. And NEVER ingest more salt to overcome Hyponatremia....just think water......if you remember Osmosis from High School Science, you'll understand why.
Nausea and/or vomiting is a real bad sign of "end stage brain swelling". Same thing occurs after you suffer a closed head injury/trauma to your head or get bitten by a Rabid Dog.
The brain swells.....the nausea begins & your eyes start to become dilated and slower reponse in the Pupils.
Once you start vomiting, that action of wretching causes intracranial pressure to Increase; which then causes the brain to be so swollen that your brain is getting ready to herniate through the "Foramen Ovale"; the hole at the base of your skull; where the spinal cord enters the brain, because the brain has no where else to go....it's been jammed into the skull wall.
Your body was created to be its own miracle healing machine, as the body gives each of us symptoms that tell us when something is BAD wrong.
God sure did create us humans to be amazing beings.
If a trauma occurs, our bodies will build "collateral" veins, nerves, etc., kind of like highways that go around damaged tissue that will provide us with essential Oxygen and nutrients to sustain our bodies.
But when the body is overwhelmed with Multi-System Organ Failure, as it has run out of options to save itself, the body shunts all the blood in the body to the heart and lastly, the brain. Which is why "end stage climbers" hallucinate, and cannot walk.....the brain is firing off multiple signals to synapses so fast....as the electrical current dies....you'll see things from your past, and even loved ones. At that point, the body is beyond saving.
Which is why you MUST keep moving. NO MATTER HOW COLD YOU ARE, you must keep moving. That is what will save you.
As moving keeps your blood flowing enough to get down to a safer level, and obtaining Oxygen and water!
Just an FYI from an ER/ICU/Trauma & Neuro-trauma ICU Nurse who loves to help people to understand the human body.
Btw.....If people would take Baby Aspirin and drink lots of water before climbing Everest......I guarantee you'd have less deaths from HACE and heart attacks, etc.
Aspirin is a wonderful light blood thinner and Anti-inflammatory drug that will help prevent a lot of the health problems that occur from high atmospheric pressure on the body and low O2. You should take Baby Aspirin for 2-4 weeks before a flight to prevent blood clot formation from sitting too long.....even Gamblers who sit in a Casino should take Aspirin, in addition to automobile traveling. Especially as you age and smoke.
I hope this helps....and I apologize for how long this is.
I guess I'm just shocked at how these Everest companies don't require their clients to do something so simple that would prevent a lot of deaths.😊
I'm not a medical professional but I David was almost Die yes too Late Yes 💯.
The current situation of Mt. Everest is sad, sad, sad. It's all about money, now. If you have enough of it you can hire an adventure company to lead you up the montain. It's okay if your level of fitness and experience are not up to par because you can be "short roped" to a Sherpa and literally pulled up the mountain. The Sherpas already did all the really hard work for you, such as selecting a route through the dangerous ice falls, setting ropes, installing ladders to cross crevasses, carrying all your crap to Base Camp, pitching your tents, etc. The government of Nepal has come to depend on the millions of dollars brought in from Everest climbers. It's a vicious cycle: Rich people want a thrill to brag about, the Sherpas do all the heavy work so the rich people can fulfill their pompous whims, and the Government needs the money. So, it continues and people keep dying or losing limbs so they can gratify their own egos.
Well said.
Totally agree!
So what? Let the rich lose a couple fingers and toes
So true
Agree 100% !!
You can't save someone if they can't walk in the death zone. They might as well be stuck on the moon.
Yet the other group saved her right there
@@kirak1561 the group of professionals that climb Everest for a living. That little fact makes a huge difference
@@acat674 The are attention seekers. Sure they can find a job that is less dangerous & puts the life of other people not in danger
@@acat674if you don’t have the ability to save someone on Everest, then you shouldn’t be climbing Everest.
@@Sheebert thank you for letting us know you’re clueless on the subject
David Sharp was very much helped. Many stayed with him and even gave him oxygen. He couldn't move on his own. He was in the death Zone. And all of it was from his own bad decisions. Yet they risked their lives to try to help him
That was a Sherpa it was almost too late he spoke to him😠😠😠
This video maker is GROSSLY IRRESPONSIBLE in making the claims that he does! Maybe we should report this video. He slanders and libels so many people!
@@cattymajiv these list videos are often not well enough researched. But if people gain interest in certain cases they will find that this is a rushed , made to sound dramatic one. always do your own research!
I was about to say, you can't really help someone who collapses near the top. Every second matters in the death zone, and when you stop to help someone you're only putting yourself at risk too. That's why they hardly recover bodies.
Yeah, I saw a video that said he refused oxygen from many groups.
No. 4. The Indian team did not reach the summit. In a whiteout they thought they'd reached the high point but were still 800 feet below the summit.
Their three teammates did not "abandon" them but rather, turned around due to the worsening weather [they were hit by the same storm that hit Rob Hall and Scott Fischers teams on the Nepalese side of Everest]
The survivors [who summitted in a later attempt] said the three who died refused to heed their pleas to turn around due to "summit fever".
Not sure how the sherpas became the villians on mt everest. "Leaving their own..", "attacking western climbers", with no background provided. Its western mountaineering culture which is quite comfortable leaving people on the mountains. And its usually sherpas doing any rescuing. In mitigation, i dont think anyone can be judged too harshly under the incredible duress as these climbers all face.
For nothing more than an ego fluff. I have no sympathy at all for such a-holes.
Yes how dare they criticize the innocent, pure hearted and can do no wrong holier than thou Sherpa's.. They should just stick to bashing Westerners as they are the only ones capable of making bad decisions or doing wrong.
@@kabiskzor it’s the sherpa’s home. westerners are visitors.
@@kabiskzor Some of these Americans and Europeans probably thought they were still the masters and the sherpas their indentured servants or slaves
@@johndorilag4129 Some of the sherpa probably thought they were still cannibal tribal men with bows and arrows and spears.. Racism can go both ways mate..
All the comments about " abandoned by his own team " are the words of someone who has never climbed. At those altitudes, you're pretty much on your own, like it or not.
Yeah ! and the person who has never climbed is still with a loyal team on the ground. Like it or not.
Truth
@@GrieseTrailCams And? 🤔
100% agreed. At that height it's physically impossible to get someone else down that mountain that is immobile, let alone get yourself down without becoming immobile yourself! I hate how people judge when they have no idea what being at 28,000ft in the air feels like and what it does to the human body and mind!
Good shout. Don't understand these hippy hill ramblers myself. They must be insecure people who must do something stupid to feel a sense of achievement.
I have to believe the Italian climbers must have said something extremely insulting for not just 1 or 2 Sherpas to get upset, but bring a whole mob back with them to attack the Italian team.
They messed around with the guide ropes and called the Sherpas “mother fuckers” offensive to anyone, but especially to their culture.
@@balibee3343 - Really ? Holy shit. Yeah I guess that would be about as insulting as it gets in the case of the Sherpas. They are a very proud culture for many good reasons.
Exactly.. I have never heard sherpas behaving like this...we would never hear the entire story
@@Scott-G11 Ok
A climber named John Beebe saw it & said they didn't bring any mob back, but about 40 other climbers were there watching the situation unfold and the story was embellished into "a mob of 100 with knives". It happened because the Italian climbers ignored the Sherpas request that they not climb above them. The went above them and snow, ice came down on the other climbers. When they all got back to camp the Sherpa came & threw rocks at their tent. Others were similarly angry and the Italians left of their own accord not wanting to continue in a hostile environment.
If I'm ever doing as dangerous as trying to reach the summit of Mt Everest with a team... I'm already ok with the team leaving me for dead if it comes down to it. Save me if you can, but don't die trying.
~~ that pretty much gets drilled into anyone who dares to venture into the 'death zone' - there is only so much anyone can do to help a climber in serious distress - even the Sherpas have their limits - and nobody can spend much time trying.
Or die laughing
I think most climber already accepted that when they decided to summit, same feeling as you.
Easier said then done
The thing is... after a specific point u cant help others because if you do, you will die with the person. The climb is stressful enough for one single person.
There are places in the world that should never be visited by human beings, Everest is at the top of the list.
I've always looked at it this way; you can believe in a higher power or not, but no one can save your body from the power of nature; if you challenge, -or disrespect ,nature often or egregiously enough, it will take your life.And you will likely have it coming.I learned this in a sudden ,freak storm on a Cape Cod ferry that was tossing that huge ship like a twig.No contest.
Simple, really.
dangerous, and humans leave so much trash behind them...
Yeah? And why is that?
Not for the fainthearted, that is.
@@jamespyacek2691 For all the trash and garbage they leave behind.
Man there's no way I would do that mess.. Shoot I don't even like climbing my 15 steps to go to the mailbox.... Lol
Let’s put your mailbox on Everest…
Certain things, like enjoying adventure, and long hikes, have never made it only my personal ad.
Ha ha
Honestly, if you aren't all around prepared to climb the TALLEST mountain in the world. You're asking for trouble
the thumb is so irrealistic climb 😅
Chimbarazo is the mountain whose peak sticks furthest into space and is furthest from the center of the earth.
This video paints those who choose not to help the victims as selfish. From someone who has climbed Denali and Aconcagua, I can tell you at those altitudes, you’re easily burning 15k calories a day and simple cognitive functions become a challenge. Other climbers didn’t abandon these people, it’s just known in the mountaineering community, that if you are struggling with HACE, HAPE, altitude sickness, etc that if you expect others to stop and help, you could in fact be signing their death warrants as well,
Completely agreed. There is simply no resources to help someone in need at Mt. Everest, it’s just too risky. Every ounce of equipment and energy you have for yourself, it’s incredibly risky to give even a quarter of that to help support someone else.
And thats the problem with mountain climbing being now a business you cant expect much help from a group of climbers that they dont know each other leaded by some guides and sherpas after they pay tons of money. You can pay for people to practically carry you, 30 years ago no one not qualified was attempting Everest or any other 8000 like that, nowadays you climb something that is 4000 and you think "I can do Himalayas if I save enough money" I know a rich guy that hiked Kilimanjaro (yes you hike Kilimanjaro is not a climb) and then went to Nepal
You climbed Aconcagua!? I'm impressed. Ill go as far as visiting macchu Picchu on my how high tour of South America, but getting into the foothills of Aconcagua is all I'd do! I'm not crazy or rich enough to summit!
@@woomeebly don't have to be rich to climb Aconcangua
Hey Matt, if you died climbing one of those mountains would you expect me to feel sorry for you? Or just shrug my shoulders and say, meh...
At the place & altitude where David Sharp stopped and could no longer move under his own power there was only one person capable of rescuing him. Himself.
The narrator is inconsiderate, climbers wanted to help, but when situation like that, they have to choose.
The narrator is AI, that's why...it's not a real person, so it's incapable of being considerate...
There's not enough money in the world to get me to try and climb Everest.
Same here, I've seen too many documentaries of people who died out lost limbs from that mountain
Right! I can not fathom why anyone would want to do this. It's like paying $50k to commit suicide.
You have to pay to climb. Ain't no one going to pay you to climb.
Hell no they can have their fools gold..
Sadly, I doubt I could even make it to "base camp". I have no stamina whatsoever.
My God it’s hard enough just getting your own body up and down the mountainSo it’s a miracle anyone gets saved
As for Francys and Sergei, I've always wondered how in the hell they got separated. When there are but 2 people coming off of the mountain together, married no less, how do they not stay within 10 feet of each other? I would have thought that they had quite an accomplishment to celebrate and would be excited to be descending together as husband and wife, then all of a sudden he doesn't know where she is, and yet he just goes down alone. I wouldn't have let my partner out of my sight on the descent, knowing how perilous it is. But to lose track of your spouse? Something just seemed wrong about the entire situation. Then to return and find her only to fall? Just 2 people were privileged to what happened up there, and no one else will ever know.
Sounds like the brain wasnt working well and she fell behind. He likely.couldnt fathom life without her and put himself in risk situation.
Yea I've always wondered that too...sketchy
how did you lose your finger..." climbing everest"
Doesn't matter who your with harsh weather conditions would cause you to drift
Altitude sickness, she probably wonder off and he was sleeping. Your mind play trick on you at that height.
What it comes down to is that most of us don’t know what it’s like up there. It’s not like these people walked by someone dying in the street and did nothing. Even with O2 it’s hard to breath up there and the barometric pressure up there makes 1lb feel like 10. It’s impossible to carry someone who can’t walk down the mountain when you yourself need both your hands and feet to get down alive yourself.
Edit ~> you messed up the title. It’s not people who leave their groups, it’s groups that leave their people.
Thatsvwhat i say
It's the sherpas job to get you up the mountain, not to sacrifice their life for you. Also, there are two records of husbands leaving their wives for dead on everest, but the one in this vid isn't a great example, since he literally died trying to save her.
When you are on Everest their is no husband and wife....each man to himself, survival of the fittest.... Husbands and wives has no right climbing Everest if they have children...people are selfish
Its every person for themselves up there.
HACE, or high altitude cerebral edema, generally disables a person and is potentially lethal; in the Death Zone of Everest, it's a virtual death sentence. As far as that climber in the first story, her group may not have had any choice in abandoning her. Sherpa will generally only leave someone if they feel there is no chance of that person surviving. Despite having read numerous articles/books on high-altitude climbing and survival, this is the first story I've encountered (if this is indeed what happened) in which a sherpa "refused to help" someone.
Those of you wanting to argue this point -- yes, I get it, it's wrong to abandon a climber, the humanity, etc. The point I want to make is that NO ONE SHOULD BE CLIMBING THIS MOUNTAIN. It's sacred to the Nepalese, and every year people pay vast sums of money in order to risk not only their own lives but those of the underpaid sherpas to get them to the summit for crowing rights. It's hideous.
In the death zone you can expect little help once you go down from anyone just oxygen water and meds everyone is to busy trying save their own lives and will not forfeit theres to save yours. Sherpas are paid well and will leave you like anyone else same reason. The economy is stimulated by local sherpas guiding people to the summit with sacred expensive nepal permits.
I could not have said it any better! Hear! Hear!
Oh youre soo smart!
Tell us another story
Maybe am just timid but I don't know how I pay for my death in the name of adventure. Am in Uganda where the source of river Nile starts but whites pay lots to sail on dangerous water falls and indeed some have drowned on this longest river
Oh be quiet.
Beck Weathers might not climb again, but he’s alive, thanks to his own amazing will to live and unmatched fortitude. Many others gave up when things got tough, so give Weathers the respect he earned for NOT GIVING UP.
Its a remarkable story, but it's kinda a slap in the face to those that didn't survive. Like they weren't "tough" enough or didn't have the "will" to survive. I bet even Beck Weathers would say it was just blind luck he survived. I'm sure all the others wanted to survive just as bad.
@@mpreiss7780 , The simple fact and truth is that Beck Weathers survived ONLY because he was able to WALK, he walked on his own and made is way to the nearest camp, unlike all he others who did not survive Beck Weathers was able to WALK, every single person who has not suffered fatal falls and who has died up there died because they could not walk, even Rob Hall and Scott Fisher they both died because they fell under conditions where they could not walk.
@@AngelGonzalez-pd4cn Yes Scott fisher and Hall died when they collapsed in the snow and were unable to move but they did not take a fall before dying. And neither did the many who died that were huddled on the large col at 8000 meters. Everyone that died didn't take a fall, but just collapsed and never got up....the same as Beck, but for some unknow reason Beck survived the night and was rescued later that day. He could of never survived and walked down on his own. he needed big time help to get down the mountain
And he didn't "wake up blind"
@@veronicavatter6436 who said that?
People just don't realize... it's not just the altitude, lack of oxygen, cold, and exhaustion. There's also 60-70 degree pitches on icy terrain, where one slip can send you sliding toward a 9,000ft vertical drop. Trying to bring someone down will increase your odds of death exponentially. This happened during the K2 tragedy in 2008. A group of four climbers tried bringing a body down and one of them slipped and went tumbling off the mountain to his death.
You club Everest, you know the risks, don't expect me to risk my life to save you sorry....it might sound selfish but it's about survival
@@semoneg2826 And every climber is supposed to know that. You don't even go unless you accept the risk of death. That being said though, there are a ton of variables, and every case is different. For example a lot of people do needlessly endanger others. And on the opposite extreme, many people have died trying to help others.
I've gotten an obsession about Everest, watched TH-cam videos, googled and researched stories, people, disasters, etc. I believe that the unwritten moral decisions of majority of climbers and teams is : in the death zone, if the person can walk upright, and is willing to accept direction, help will be given, base camp will be called for rescue. Is there is enough O2 to keep everybody functional? Are the people even capable of helping?? And the delusions and mental state with low O2 and brain swelling etc., ? Nobody can manhandle unwilling adults for any length of time. Do you sacrifice one life for many?? Getting a helicopter/plane rescue can be impossible too Many people are trying to summit without any experience--just a lot of money and ego. I don't know if the guides carry the meds nesc to treat brain swelling, etc. That would help save lives. "Going up is optional. Going down is mandatory" they say. The wise ones know when to quit and go back down.
"They were abandoned by the stronger climber that went to get help".... Obviously the person's involved in creating this video have never climbed or even researched
the strongest climber came back four times to save as many people as he could, Beck was just one of the two people he could not get because he collapsed himself after being out in the storm and going up alone and down with and additional person in the freezing storm of 1996
this creator is an id*ot
Anatoli Boukreev 😎 ?
After watching David Breashear’s excellent documentary on Mount Everest, my goal in life now is to stay as far away from Tibet as possible! Edit: the answer is “No” I would not attempt to climb Mount Everest.
Tibet is an amazing place... being quickly ruined by the Chinese occupiers.
I’ve read many times that you are on your own when you have problems. At least from the viewpoint of other climbers. Trying to help someone puts the rescuer in peril.
The people were being rude to the Sherpas they had every right to get mad if you look it up you can see the actual video
Even as a empathetic person, It's really hard to feel sorry for people who go out of their way to potentially throw their lives away, and destroy their families in the process, by engaging in highly risky behaviours (mountain-climbing, cave-diving, dangerous animal encounters, etc).
For me, these people must be lacking something in themselves to have to get to a certain height, depth, or their heads close to the biggest jaws, in order to feel that they've achieved something.
I feel for their friends and family, but every time I hear about another one dying, I can only think "Why did you put yourself in that position?!"
In all of their final moments they must be considering how fucking stupid they've been.
The survivors of such incidents can't get away from their respective scenarios quickly enough - it's very telling when it's no longer 'fun'.
In a world where death can come in a million forms at any given moment, to throw your life at long odds is close to being disrespectful, in my very humble opinion.
The best comment ever on TH-cam
Well its very obvious you know nothing about why most climbers climb. but most climbers will live into this wonderful old age you speak of. It's far from a death sentence. You come across as jealous and quite simple minded, in my humble opinion. Also, nobody's asking you to feel sorry for anyone, especially the climber's themselves.
Everyone dies. But not everyone lives.
You can play it safe your whole life and never achieve or experience anything. And in the end, you are just as dead as those who died doing what they were passionate about.
We all make our choices. I do not regret any of mine.
Its human nature to show that they can conquer ....
What part of "death zone" are people not getting?
Green Boots: Nope! Don't wanna be a landmark! Stayin' on Terra firma. Y'all go ahead.
That first story is pretty rediculous! Her own team leader harassed her on the way up, the Sherpas refused to help her, and her own team wouldn't give her water or food??? GEEEZ!!!!
Yeah, if it was true
Sherpas are trained and if they make that decision they knew why....this story may have missing parts also maybe someone tried to help her
Isn't the climber suppose to carry their own drinking water bottle and oxygen etc?. Can't expect others to carry your own mask and water bottle. Why climb if person can't carry water bottle?
Just an opinion from someone completely detached from the world of climbing. It seems to me that climbing Everest is an extreme sport with no margin for error in which you enter at your own peril.
Everest is not that hard, it’s just high. There are many peaks that are terrifying and Everest is not it
@@Tsumami__ True there are steeper mountains but being "just high" creates the biggest threat to climbers. Also the SW route may be technically fairly "easy" but there's more sides to Everest. Try the NE ridge or SW face, ect..that isn't that "easy"
Depends on many factors how "extreme" you want to make it. There's a big margin for error if your guided by the SW ridge via expeditionary style.
@@Tsumami__ how many times have you summited?
@@Tsumami__ There is a lot of other factors that makes Everest dangerous, alltitude, storms, bad weather, coldness, etc etc...And thanks to the sherpas many make it down alive
I can’t imagine how hard and gut-wrenching the decision of leaving a fellow climber would be.
Most of them shouldn't be there in the first place ,,, you want to play ,, well you know how it goes ,,
Yeah and imagine if it was your son or husband? Doesn't happen often but it can happen.
@@mpreiss7780 If my husband or brother are dumb enough to go climbing into a death zone, I would have already accepted their death. Trying to help someone will kill you. In the earth zone, your body is dying. Organs are shutting down and your brain isn’t getting enough oxygen. If you add extra weight by trying to help someone down, the extra exertion could kill you. If you climb Everest, you have accepted death. There’s no question.
@@playfulpanthress I agree is their choice. you call it a dumb choice, this I do not agree with. Whether your trying K2 , mt Rainier or driving to the supermarket...you should accept you could die. Climbers do not think your way... They climb to live, not to die
@@mpreiss7780 I've watched Jurassic Park: Lost World, also. It IS a dumb choice. Regardless of why they choose it.
People who take hallucinogenic drugs and/or heroin are "freeing their mind" or chasing the dragon. But no one calls them smart.
You are literally dying over twenty-six thousand feet. And for what? Bragging rights? It is a rich person's sport that usually causes some poor schmuck their life.
Now, living life itself is kind of a gamble. No one argues that. But choosing to do things that put your life in jeopardy is not smart. Why not walk across a lion or tiger enclosure dressed only in a meat dress or suit?? You might live, but it is unlikely. And even if you do survive, who actually cares? Yeah, you'd be part of an exclusive group of people also stupid enough to do it, but it only means something to the individual. And I personally find it insanely stupid.
It is a dumb choice to climb a mountain that will most likely kill you. You don't get anything for it, hell, you have to pay for the privilege to go up there and die.
Perhaps my blackness is showing. I don't have to seek out death like some of you white people. It is why they find the dumbest ways to die. Lemmings commiting mass suicide isn't real. But white people are definitely the human version of the phenomenon.
I think it's quite remarkable how someone who was not there, in this case the person making this video, has the audacity to even have an opinion about something he doesn't actually know anything about. Case in point David Sharp. John F. Kennedy was absolutely right. Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought.
@@Cat_Lady SIM isso mesmo eles morreram inconsistentes
I had a coworker many years ago that climbed many mountains. He said your IQ is inverse of altitude. A little over ten years ago he set a record climbing the 7 highest peaks on the 7 continents in record time at 58 years old. I know he still climbs and he is a month younger than me. The guy he first worked with as a guide is dead on Everest. Bodies dry out and they move around because all they are is dried bone and tissue. There are many unrecoverable bodies on Denali.
It's his video.
@@bluegill633 Thanks, corrected :-)
Did you climb Mount Everest ?
At least one person DID try to revive David actually. Gave him oxygen too. He said his name. He was too heavy and too hard to move. They know the risks. Don't cry.
This video is full of misinformation :(
Climbing Mt. Everest if totally optional activity, not a necessity, and therefore everyone assumes responsibility for themselves ultimately. While exhilarating, there's far safer ways to challenge oneself physically and mentally.
On Everest it’s every man/woman for themselves. You take care of you. It’s a selfish climb. Attempt to save another and two will die. Sure, miracles happen, but rarely. I do object to the overused word ‘abandoned’ as opposed to ‘allowed to rest in peace’. Stay home, watch documentaries, and read books.
I was very impressed with the sherpas uniting and attempting to clean up Everest. Reclaiming the sacred mountain. Trying to bring down bodies, discarded O2 tanks & equipment, etc.
We have a neighbour who got to within 300 feet of the summit of Everest when her oxygen ran out. Her sherpa guide said "now we die" and walked away from her. She managed to walk down to the South Col where she was given drinks and oxygen and she lived. When she reached Base Camp she met the sherpa who actually asked her for his tip.
The following season she went back and summited, the oldest British woman to climb Everest.
I mean no one forces these people to climb the mountain and people could potentially be putting themselves at risk to help another. Than God for amazing people. All these people are extremely brave to even try climb everest.
fine line between being brave and being stupid. Especially if you have a lot of people that love you.
Play stupid games win stupid prizes.
Very few would make it to the top without the sherpas Facts. The sherpas are the true heroes
I don’t think people should be climbing up to almost the height commercial jets fly at. But that’s just me, you do you.
considering it is held to be a Goddess by the native peoples really no one should even be there at all .
Aaron I couldn't agree with you more!
Cheers!
Your absolutely right
Who cares what you think people should do?
@@jamespyacek2691 this is too johnny paycheck I don't give a shit what you think either frinkin' bozo''"
Nobody has ever been abandoned on the mountain, they barely have enough energy to move themselves, let alone drag somebody behind them! When you go to Everest, you know that you are taking your life in your own hands, there's literally no one that can save you...
I have watched every documentary on Everest, and I've never saw a story about somebody abandoning somebody...
It's not like the Three Musketeers, All For One and one for all!
They do what they can for their friends and then they save themselves if they can't, that's human nature...
I can imagine from the beginning of time from the first person that tried to climb Everest, to the last person that just tried to climb Everest that they would never abandon their teammates, however, how can we be judgmental if we never know what it's like to be there, in that situation! During quarantine, I watched everything on Everest...
They never abandoned anyone!
Yeah, from what I gather, it's one of the rules of the mountain, as you're pretty much at your limits even if your trek is "easy". Only the Sherpas have the ability to help people, mostly because of their genetic make-up, and even they aren't invincible.
@@Briguy1027 Most professional alpinists could help for awhile(not just Sherpas), if they had extra bottles of 02. But those cylinders are heavy, so they're limited and aren't readily accessible. Also a "treck" is what people do just walking to a base camp.
Yeah one thing about these climbing videos...Everybody's an expert from their sofa.
Yep, you go, you're on your own, no recues.
Commonsense would tell people you can't climb with dead weight
When someone goes to get help they are not exactly abandoning them
Better to leave one body behind than all die!
Everyone climbing up there, can't count on being saved, when things go wrong.... These conditions don't allow it. We don't belong up there! Everyone going up there has to be aware of that!...
I can highly recommend the excellent documentary ‘Sherpa’ which highlights how the mountain has become an income generator for the Nepalese government.
People most definitely stopped to help Sharp. This video is incorrect. The media bagged on a climber with no legs over the Sharp death.
While revealing for those just becoming aware of these tales, there are inaccuracies in these stories.
A contact Creator got shit wrong how shocking lol
Absolutely. I stopped watching after Beck Weathers. So far from what really happened on that tragic expedition.
What are the inaccuracies? To my knowledge this is correct.
If you're going to insult the content creator, present your case, just don't say there is inaccuracies. How is this not accurate?
@@darksoul479 read the book 'Into Thin Air' by Jon Krakauer. A controversial book I admit but at least he was on the expedition. A good read whether you believe his version of the events or not.
Around 800 people try to climb Mount Everest annually. It takes an average of 40 days to climb to the peak from base camp and back (regardless of success). An average person produces about 1 pound of poop per day. So we can safely say that an average of 32,000 pounds of poop is left on the mountain each year. Poop doesn’t decompose above 20,000 feet. That means that in this century alone around 640.000 pounds of poop have been embedded to the mountain. So basically what these people are doing they are climbing the largest pile of shit in the world.
Oh yuck So much ick. Also, ewww
Those who choose to gamble and recklessly destroy themselves and their families lives do so by choice. Climbers have the alternative to STAY off the mountains.
Hard to feel sympathy or even pity for those people who do not value their own lives much less their children's and families.
Once you're up in the Death Zone above 26,000 feet, it's each person for themselves,,,,,,,,, it's sad but very true. I for one would not try it, good health to all!
Would I try to climb Everest??
No!!
I know it's far fetched and people hate responsibility but In certain situations... society always seems to fault other people for decisions other people made and I think it's nuance to every story ....if you as a adult pack your bags get ready for a hike up a mountain with a bunch of people that your not absolutely sure would have your back in a situation that was life or death why go....alot of these people claim there the smartest most intelligent but there mind goes blank when it comes to critical thinking
All true but it's not even that ..when you are that high up you can't physically help someone down..the Sherpas can but it's risky most wouldn't risk there own lives for yours ..its basic survival
Book smarts vs street smarts.
Why go? Because they assess the risk and decide that it’s worth to go for it. Imagine thinking that staying alive is everyone‘s goal number 1 in life. -120IQ take.
Or spelling. "a lot" is two words.
@@jamespyacek2691 wgaf weirdo ass dude spell checking
“But the slow decent put everyone else’s lives in danger” famous last words for the abandoned on Everest.
Green boots is not a reminder of how dangerous the mountain can be , but instead it’s how dangerous and selfish and stupid a person can be , good riddens , but he’s done something worthwhile , he’s a landmark now , thank you for that !
Some tried to help Sharp but he was considered beyond rescue
My advice to novice climbers is: try instead the Aconcagua in Chile, it is almost as tall yet it does not require so much effort to climb. It is not worth losing a limb out of mere pride.
Awesome video!
I WOULD NEVER CLIMB IT, HELL NO
I would, but sadly I'm not very fit, and where I live now there are no mountains.
I’ve done some decent high altitude hikes, once you get the a certain point if you or someone into danger it’s a rough decision but it’s either you try to save em and both end up dying or try leaving and getting help yourself I’ve been in a few hard situations myself where if I had my crew along one of us would of died. It’s part of the risk when you go out, doesn’t even have to be Everest plenty of people die in far less worse conditions.
Its not being "abandoned" there is physically nothing anyone can do sometimes even if physically people r well but mentally start trippin its wise to get away from them and keep going or die with them
I have no empathy for people's unwise capacitus decisions,!
Many offered to help beck down before he got caught in the storm. He wasn’t abandoned. He just refused everyone’s help
to be honest covid outbreak saved a lot of people
its the mess these guys leave behind that bothers me and just because they can and its there
Waiting hours in one spot due to overcrowding and wasting oxygen? Makes no sense.
Did you ever noticed Mount EVEREST could be written EVER-REST ??? meaning REST FOR EVER..RIP....
You can't expect people that climb the Everest to help each other, most of them are rich shallow people.
Couldn't have said it better myself
correction: You can't expect people that climb Everest to help each other, because once past a certain altitude it is nearly impossible to help another person who is incapable of walking or moving under their own power. Watching other accounts on Everest it's apparent that people do help each other as much as possible. But once in the death zone if someone gets in trouble it quickly becomes a scenario where you can either stay and die with them, or head back down and survive yourself. The climbers all seem to understand this and know that's what they are signing up for.
Nope the higher you go the less you can help people.. It's A risk all involve understand
As a novice hiker, I'm intrigued by the thought of climbing Everest. I don't think I would ever want to summit as the line is worse than waiting a popular thrill ride. Regardless, I would like to see the Mountain and climb up to Base Camp 1,2 or three. I don't want to go into the death zone. However, every hiker knows that anyone going into the death zone knows they have better than a 50/50 chance of death. Last count I think there are now over 300 bodies on Everest. Those who have been rescued off Everest are extremely lucky because it's nearly impossible to drag a body off the mountain.
Guy sees one picture and thinks he knows everything.
If I was young and healthy I would love to go too, you should make your dream come true...but don't go farther than base camp. Truthfully I think the hike to base camp looks beautiful and you won't need to go higher. I think it would be a once in a life time dream. Tip your porter well.
@@lindamcclain5569 - seeing the lines of people going to the peak has dampened my enthusiasm for going. No wonder more people are dying.
There are thousands of lower mountains where the scenery is equally stunning, and where your chances of dying are way smaller. On Everest you're just climbing a silly number.
Only the SW ridge route may have a waiting line, there are over 20 other routes to try with nobody on them. What's your excuse now?
I love the picture that came up when u said food and water and the picture was of kit Kat candy...I'm glad I'm not the only 1 who thinks candy is considered food 😅
1:37. He didint vanished. he had been found with another climber barely alive in the deathzone. the rescuers decided to leave them since they would have died either way. the other climber DID end up dying but beck weathers survived. even though he was blind and very frostbitten he managed to get back to camp 4 ALONE. after that he was lowred to camp 2 and air lifted to a hospital from there.
These people are crazy to risk so much, for what.
Why would they even do this? What's the point
They literally would die themselves if they try to drag or carry someone back down. It's impossible.
"Beck and others were abandoned by a stronger climber who went to get help"
HUH????? If the stronger climber went to get help, he wasn't abandoning anyone. Who writes this crap?
Thank you Sherpa for all you do
I had covid and didn't have the energy to get out of bed...nobody with covid would be able to climb up or down anything.
I think I have Covid, seems like a good idea to climb Everest
it will make a nice 2020 monument trail marker in the Everest trail chronology
Beck Weathers did not disappear on the South Col. In the morning after the storm teammate Dr Stuart Hutchison concluded that Beck was beyond saving.
That afternoon he stumbled into Camp 4.
The next day he was helped down to the top of the Kumbu icefall below Camp 1 where he was then rescued by a helicopter [approximately 17,800 feet]
I thought I was crazy doing 29 years as a police officer in DC til retirement...they have me beat..
I’d never climb a mountain knowing the chances of dying are an almost sure thing
Actually the death rate on Everest is around 4% of climbers. K2 the 2nd highest peak it's 29%. Fewer climbers & harder climb on K2.
@@SuperBigblue19 Everest is not the most dangerous mountain to climb but it has the highest death toll because more people climb it...
what a sport, instead of little zen statues as landmarks, they have actual corpses
The price you pay for trying to climb Everest.
As a climber, If you’re not willing to except those conditions, pick an easier mountain.
Sherpas are the original, first and actuall climbers of mt everest.
But British who occupied India that time called themselves as first to climb.
But reality is they can't even take a step without the help of Sherpas, even the my everest is not real name it's real is chimulunga or sagaramatha.
I looked into the Sharp issue and it's 100% fact that the people who passed him had more interest in summiting than helping him. 12 hours after they passed him, and left him for dead, Sherpa's got him out of the cave and were talking to him. Even the leader of the group that passed him, Bryce, said he would have stopped to help if he had known Sharp was alive in the cave. I'm not saying I wouldn't have done the same thing if I invested 20-30K into my summit attempt. But the reality is he would have needed the Sherpas to get him down and without them the group couldn't summit. End of story. Anyone saying differently either doesn't know the facts/timeline or (maybe correctly) thinks Sharp got himself into that situation by refusing to carry much oxygen and equipment so didn't deserve the help.
Watch the national geographic on him his party was there to help him but couldn't manage to keep him from freaking out and they had to leave him cause they had to belay down tied to him while he was flailing about and got him to the spot where they found him stripping his clothes off slowly way later. They left him there because he collapsed after flailing and they had to go get help but the weather hadnt cleared. So his group wasn't at fault and he himself said he would've done the same but after they left him alot of those people thought he was either dead or just chilling and past him in which case it would be hours before they would return and notice him still sitting there. Its not like they knew.
He wasn't asking for help or moving very much so they had no idea if you saw the spot its hard to notice unless you are forcing yourself to look backwards before the ascent.
Nobody would have been able to get him down without him being able to move on his own from where he was. So the only hope is you abandon your summit, give him your oxygen, and hope he recovers. And hope you don't die while doing that. The fact is Sharp went up without a team and without oxygen, and he alone is responsible for his death.
@@Sheahova David Sharp was unable to stand by himself, he definitely wasn't "flailing around." You're obviously confusing him for a different story.
Sherpas are trained to rescue ...ordinary people have the rights to make a sound decisions your life or mines....it might sound selfish but climbing Everest is a big Risk each man to himself
No way. I get altitude sickness. I can't even imagine base camp. Still, to see the Kumbu ice fall, sigh...
Oedema. Death zone, 😂Love the pronunciation 😂. I’m visualising you doing inverted commas with your hands like Dr Evil
Your telling of David Sharps story is not only inaccurate, but makes no sense. If NO ONE stopped to check on him at all than how did they know he was still alive that whole time?!? Several people did walk by thinking he was dead, but a few others checked on him while they were ascending & descending. They offered him oxygen & tried to assist him, however he was to weak to climb down even with aid & passed away. Also a few of the other stories you told were inaccurate, misleading, or omitted important information, please fact check better!!!🤔🤔🤔
I actually climbed to the summit of Mount Everest! I found it easy and I suffered no harm at all!
Many experienced mountaineers said Mt Everest is one of the easiest to climb. Wonder if you remove the Sherpas, if the Everest will become easy or tough with out the ropes and ladders. Glad you came out nice. Yet many articles point that Mt Everest is a death zone, due it's thin air. And many people just want to be at the highest in the world precisely because it is easy to climb with the help of the Sherpas!
And I'm the Queen of Sheba.
@@elainekent7026 LOL. I also said to myself "sure you did" in response to King Kenny. Actually, I would believe you more than Kenny.
Seems to me there would be more to say if king Kenny actually summitted Everest.
@ King Kenny.... I was up on my roof last week fixing a shingle.
This video does not answer why. It only gives a list of people who were abandoned.
People feel like it's OK to leave people by justification that thier lives are in danger because of the fallen . But my thoughts are these ,you know who you are going with you have been climbing together for weeks. Who is going to forgive you , if you leave someone behind. Not me and if there is justice in the hearafter than not God either. It's all of our duty to take care of one another until God calls us home. We are on loan from God until we are called home . So you can abandon his child but as for me I will do whatever it takes
Stay the hell off of Everest... God give us wisdom we need to use it...God never send us to risk our lives like this....this is human choice and you pay the price..... Many times people are in no position to help others without killing themselves....There are place son this earth that God created that could kill us....if God wanted us to climb mountains he would have installed steps........We take risk we pay the price
People climb K2 and Everest to provide content to TH-cam.
🤣🤣
This guy has no idea what he is talking about.
Not sure if some of the things labelled as "courageous" here are actually really "courageous" or just "stupid".
I'm gonna climb that mountain by myself at night 🌙 in a snow ❄️ storm! 😳