If my 28 Nosler had been that easy. Had to do a lot of work because my Nosler brass was so inconsistent. I was able to get my hands on some ADG brass eventually. I love this cartridge. The first time I ever tried one mile I hit an 18” x 36” steel on first shot. Took me five or six shots to connect on the MOA gong at a mile but was able to put a few on. Then we backed up to 1.25 miles, I couldn’t get on the MOA gong there but did connect a few times on the bigger one. Maybe one day I can get a custom 28 from you. Mines a Bergara Wilderness B14 HMR. I install an Area 419 Sidewinder Brake, A Trigger Tech trigger and a NF ATACR 7-35X
Interesting video with some valid personal experience shared freely with anyone who wants to perhaps learn something or broaden their knowledge base. Is it for everyone, maybe not, but I do not see all the negative commentators going out and making the effort to start a channel and sharing video content of their "expert" experience. Thank you for your effort and sharing your insights, looking forward to more content.
I love my Bergara 28 Nosler. Running 175 ELDX's at 3180 with 87.0 gr RL33 and Fed 215's. 26" barrel. Consistent.3" groups. Very manageable recoil with a good muzzle brake.
I was in the Hornady reloading seminar at the SCI Convention 2024. The technicians have found that doing a ladder development is a waste of time and money as they have seen what is a good load on one day may not be the next day., so they go for one load and shoot for minimum dispersion over a few days.
I’m guessing they had no chronograph along with the ladder? This is kinda two methods at one time . The chrono numbers I value over groups before I do my seating depth test. I’ve done this method on well over 100 rifles with great results .
I think that your method may not be ideal to some, it is actually effective and repeatable. Loading with fire formed brass is best practice and a great way to get GREAT information the first time. A great F Class shooter (Keith Glasscock) does something very similar and I doubt anyone of the people commenting on here have as many first place finishes as he does. Long story short, you both do basically the same load development, and so do I. It is great that you also promote confirming at further distances after the first load development to confirm.
Just food for thought, but since you are playing with seating depth, you obviously believe seating depth matters. So do I. I also believe primer seating depth and ignition timing matter just as much. So, my point is, until you fireform the brass and have a consistent minimum headspace, you have neither consistent ignition timing or bullet jump.
You should repeat this load development test another day and see if you get the same results. I would bet that you won’t. This is a textbook example of jumping to conclusions based on limited sample size
I’ll do my best to not make folks feel bad in this chat but my 26” 7 mag with Norma brass is running 3050 with a 195. Powder n570. Saami chamber. Has not been throated.
The real truth will be if it will hold true at distance. In my 28 im using Retumbo and 168 gr Barnes LRX. My final load was over book max but still no signs of pressure. Ended up with a .290" group at 100 yards. Now as soon as weather permits I'll go at distance and see if it holds true. My rifle is a store bought Browning X-Bolt with 1-8 twist on a 26" barrel. I'm getting just under 3100 fps with the 168 gr barnes LRX.
What do you think is the primary reason for the mild recoil? Looking at you shooting, that rifle barely pushes back into your shoulder. As a disabled vet with neck and shoulder issues, I am thinking that maybe I could bump up in caliber given the right setup. Might need to talk with you about a rifle build.
@@usafret4709 Call me anytime . 814 547 2441 The low recoil comes from a combo of a 10 lb rifle with a directional brake that reduces the recoil by around 70 percent.
Are you concerned about the lack of reliable ejection? It looks like the rounds are impacting the windage turret. You might want to consider trying taller rings and a cheek riser pad.
I would assume that most everyone showing up to shoot on Eric’s channel would have his rifle all tuned and ready as they can be . When they shoot at only 500 yds and hit higher or lower than the one MOA target it would seem to me that they have vertical issues going on. Left and right misses can be blamed on wind but vertical is a shooter error or a load issue IMO
@elevationrifles thats a lot of assumptions there🤔, and quite presumtuous to make claim like that while not being there. especially in an effort to promote yourself or justify your group sizes. I'd like to see your results on eriks ethical hunter challenge. you should walk the walk and do his challenge. with my experience traveling and shooting at unfamiliar ranges and locations and how a rifles zero can be effected, it seems you don't have enough experience.
Most times I don’t break em in because of the amount of shots it takes . I just tweek em over after break in if needed. I think a new barrel is as easy as after it’s broke in .
I bet it is hard to justify 150-200 rounds of true barrel break in (until the barrel speeds up) when the barrel life is +/- 900 rounds. Perhaps easier to justify if it is solely a hunting rifle vs practice.
what determines velocity? its pressure isnt it? so, shouldn't we be looking at what the max velocity in the book is, not what the powder charge is. the moisture content of the same charbe weight of powder can affect velocity 200 fps. go listen to applied ballistics #62 podcast if you want an indepth explanation of this.
11 seconds into the video, you say you deducted ".15". That's 150 thousandths. You run them a long way off the lands buddy. To each their own though.. I'll keep doing my thing, you do you..
Doing a ladder test at 100 yards is useless. Should be a minimum of 300, preferably at 400. You're building this rifle for long range, so get on with it and do a proper ladder test.
@@Rico11b The chrono takes care of that:) I do many many setups a yr and if the chrono numbers and groups are good at 100 I’ve yet to have one not be good to distance.
@@elevationrifles Chronograph not needed when doing a proper ladder test. Ya let the target tell you everything you need to know. Then when you're finished and have the best load you can get the chronograph numbers to use in your ballistic apps.
@@elevationrifleswow. I’ve been following you some time now. You seem to have a good business going, seems you’re more than proficient out to distance. So seems like your methods work for you and still you get these other guys chirping. Those of us that watched saw what happened when Jim from “Backfire” brought that guy out that said he knew it all and could do it all. Lol.
@xforce708 Even a blind squirrel finds a nut once in a while. Even doing it wrong still provides a small level of achievement. The 100-yard ladder test is barely better than guessing. He's out there firing the shots anyway, so why not get the most out of it? If you know, you know.
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I love the comments. There are many ways to do load development. They all work to varying degrees. Yours works great for you. Good video.
Good stuff. Looking forward to the next one. Thank you.
If my 28 Nosler had been that easy. Had to do a lot of work because my Nosler brass was so inconsistent. I was able to get my hands on some ADG brass eventually.
I love this cartridge. The first time I ever tried one mile I hit an 18” x 36” steel on first shot. Took me five or six shots to connect on the MOA gong at a mile but was able to put a few on. Then we backed up to 1.25 miles, I couldn’t get on the MOA gong there but did connect a few times on the bigger one.
Maybe one day I can get a custom 28 from you. Mines a Bergara Wilderness B14 HMR. I install an Area 419 Sidewinder Brake, A Trigger Tech trigger and a NF ATACR 7-35X
Interesting video with some valid personal experience shared freely with anyone who wants to perhaps learn something or broaden their knowledge base. Is it for everyone, maybe not, but I do not see all the negative commentators going out and making the effort to start a channel and sharing video content of their "expert" experience. Thank you for your effort and sharing your insights, looking forward to more content.
@@philippotgieter6654 Thanks ! Appreciate ya
Great video and very informative. Well done.
I love my Bergara 28 Nosler. Running 175 ELDX's at 3180 with 87.0 gr RL33 and Fed 215's. 26" barrel. Consistent.3" groups. Very manageable recoil with a good muzzle brake.
I was in the Hornady reloading seminar at the SCI Convention 2024. The technicians have found that doing a ladder development is a waste of time and money as they have seen what is a good load on one day may not be the next day., so they go for one load and shoot for minimum dispersion over a few days.
I’m guessing they had no chronograph along with the ladder?
This is kinda two methods at one time . The chrono numbers I value over groups before I do my seating depth test. I’ve done this method on well over 100 rifles with great results .
I think that your method may not be ideal to some, it is actually effective and repeatable. Loading with fire formed brass is best practice and a great way to get GREAT information the first time. A great F Class shooter (Keith Glasscock) does something very similar and I doubt anyone of the people commenting on here have as many first place finishes as he does. Long story short, you both do basically the same load development, and so do I. It is great that you also promote confirming at further distances after the first load development to confirm.
Just food for thought, but since you are playing with seating depth, you obviously believe seating depth matters. So do I. I also believe primer seating depth and ignition timing matter just as much. So, my point is, until you fireform the brass and have a consistent minimum headspace, you have neither consistent ignition timing or bullet jump.
I'm curious why you are not chronographing your seating depth shots? It would be interesting to see the deviation in speed on those shots as well.
You should repeat this load development test another day and see if you get the same results.
I would bet that you won’t. This is a textbook example of jumping to conclusions based on limited sample size
I’ll do my best to not make folks feel bad in this chat but my 26” 7 mag with Norma brass is running 3050 with a 195. Powder n570. Saami chamber. Has not been throated.
The real truth will be if it will hold true at distance. In my 28 im using Retumbo and 168 gr Barnes LRX. My final load was over book max but still no signs of pressure. Ended up with a .290" group at 100 yards. Now as soon as weather permits I'll go at distance and see if it holds true. My rifle is a store bought Browning X-Bolt with 1-8 twist on a 26" barrel. I'm getting just under 3100 fps with the 168 gr barnes LRX.
What do you think is the primary reason for the mild recoil? Looking at you shooting, that rifle barely pushes back into your shoulder. As a disabled vet with neck and shoulder issues, I am thinking that maybe I could bump up in caliber given the right setup. Might need to talk with you about a rifle build.
@@usafret4709 Call me anytime . 814 547 2441
The low recoil comes from a combo of a 10 lb rifle with a directional brake that reduces the recoil by around 70 percent.
@@elevationrifles I will give you a call. What time zone are you on? Thanks.
Look at the 300 whippel
Are you having ejector issues with that rifle? Didn't seem to eject brass reliably.
@@patrioticguy1791 I think they might have been hitting the scope cap. I noticed it as well
Are you concerned about the lack of reliable ejection?
It looks like the rounds are impacting the windage turret. You might want to consider trying taller rings and a cheek riser pad.
@@trevorkolmatycki4042 A lil i noticed that as well .
well that kind of threw me 75 grains That's quite a bit how's the chamber stay nice and cool or does it get pretty hot how's barrel life on that thing
@@bestrong1240 It was cold outside so hot was no issue. I’d say barrel life will be somewhere around 800-1000 rds with this velocity
when you mention eriks' 500yd challenge, how do you know their load is having vertical issues when they are only taking one shot?
I would assume that most everyone showing up to shoot on Eric’s channel would have his rifle all tuned and ready as they can be . When they shoot at only 500 yds and hit higher or lower than the one MOA target it would seem to me that they have vertical issues going on. Left and right misses can be blamed on wind but vertical is a shooter error or a load issue IMO
@elevationrifles thats a lot of assumptions there🤔, and quite presumtuous to make claim like that while not being there. especially in an effort to promote yourself or justify your group sizes. I'd like to see your results on eriks ethical hunter challenge. you should walk the walk and do his challenge.
with my experience traveling and shooting at unfamiliar ranges and locations and how a rifles zero can be effected, it seems you don't have enough experience.
I’m curious if you prefer to do load development with a brand new barrel or after break in?
Most times I don’t break em in because of the amount of shots it takes . I just tweek em over after break in if needed. I think a new barrel is as easy as after it’s broke in .
I bet it is hard to justify 150-200 rounds of true barrel break in (until the barrel speeds up) when the barrel life is +/- 900 rounds. Perhaps easier to justify if it is solely a hunting rifle vs practice.
10 pounds bare gun? No scope or bipod weight in that 10 pounds?
@@brinkerhoff8 10 lbs is as it it is setup without the bipod .
I would suggest trying federeal 215m primers- if i can send them to you to try i would sendd you 200 to try.
Nice
.15” is 150 thou, I assume you meant .015”?
Yes, .015 is what he meant and how the adjustments played out.
what determines velocity? its pressure isnt it? so, shouldn't we be looking at what the max velocity in the book is, not what the powder charge is. the moisture content of the same charbe weight of powder can affect velocity 200 fps. go listen to applied ballistics #62 podcast if you want an indepth explanation of this.
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Feel free to call me if u wanna chat price and options. I can work you up an estimate. 814 547 2441
11 seconds into the video, you say you deducted ".15". That's 150 thousandths. You run them a long way off the lands buddy. To each their own though.. I'll keep doing my thing, you do you..
I said it wrong :)
Doing a ladder test at 100 yards is useless. Should be a minimum of 300, preferably at 400. You're building this rifle for long range, so get on with it and do a proper ladder test.
@@Rico11b The chrono takes care of that:) I do many many setups a yr and if the chrono numbers and groups are good at 100 I’ve yet to have one not be good to distance.
@@elevationrifles Chronograph not needed when doing a proper ladder test. Ya let the target tell you everything you need to know. Then when you're finished and have the best load you can get the chronograph numbers to use in your ballistic apps.
@@elevationrifleswow. I’ve been following you some time now. You seem to have a good business going, seems you’re more than proficient out to distance. So seems like your methods work for you and still you get these other guys chirping. Those of us that watched saw what happened when Jim from “Backfire” brought that guy out that said he knew it all and could do it all. Lol.
@@xforce708 Mike the Marine episode.
@xforce708 Even a blind squirrel finds a nut once in a while. Even doing it wrong still provides a small level of achievement. The 100-yard ladder test is barely better than guessing. He's out there firing the shots anyway, so why not get the most out of it? If you know, you know.