A short video of only 16 mins explains one of the most complex topic field in aviation. The props are used appropiately and the explaination is too the point. This also clears my doubt that why runway strip is 140m. Well done. Keep posting new ones
Where complications get simplified...Good attempt... If all these are to be known, conceived and followed by the Pilots, then it's really a tough job and hats off to them...
I have never seen a video like you guys explained. Thank you for clearing my douth. good job both of you try to make more video for better understanding such as like Low Visibilty producer / adverse weather condition Etc. ..
The last part would be 13400.. Becoz now a days outer horizontal surface is to be considered as 20Km. Plz clear my doubt on this fact.. Well explained about this topic... Well done 👍
The Outer Horizontal Surface shall extend to 15000 meters from the Aerodrome Reference Point for Aerodrome with runway code 3 and 4. In case of Aerodrome with runway Code 2, the Outer Horizontal Surface shall extend to 14740 meters from Aerodrome Reference Point for Instrument runways and 13740 meters for Non Instrument runways. Where combined Outer Horizontal Surface is established for two Aerodromes, the Outer Horizontal Surface shall be centered on the Aerodrome Reference Point of the Aerodrome of higher category. Outer Horizontal Surface for Aerodrome with runway code No.1 shall not be established. Hope this is of some help in clarifying your doubt.
Some aerodrome's ARP coordinates are not align to the mid point of runway CL (geometric centre of landing area) as we have two runway in use. In this case, which one we should consider as a reference to draw a radius of 15,000m for OHS? Established ARP again or Mid point of runway CL? I hope you can clear my doubt. Thanks,
The Outer Horizontal Surface shall extend to 15000 meters from the Aerodrome Reference Point for Aerodrome with runway code 3 and 4. In case of Aerodrome with runway Code 2, the Outer Horizontal Surface shall extend to 14740 meters from Aerodrome Reference Point for Instrument runways and 13740 meters for Non Instrument runways. Where combined Outer Horizontal Surface is established for two Aerodromes, the Outer Horizontal Surface shall be centered on the Aerodrome Reference Point of the Aerodrome of higher category. Outer Horizontal Surface for Aerodrome with runway code No.1 shall not be established. Hope this is of some help in clarifying your doubt.
Very useful video …. But can u clarify how d obstruction height is determined ie… if a antenna is to be placed 1000 mtrs from rwy centre line …. What is d maximum height of obs…. And is there is any formula….
If this is the case then the governing surface is Transition surface with a slope of 14.3% or 1/7 (one in height and seven in length), which allows a height of 123 m approx but since the other surface named as Horizontal Surface restricts the actual height to be 45m only. Till 4000m from the reference points
When you say "Reference Point", do you mean the Runway Threshold (black and white lines at the end), rather than the Aerodrome Reference point (Which is the midpoint of the aerodrome)?
1. Reference points are marked on the diagram and these are generally taken as physical ends/beginning of the runway not the Threshold. 2. ARP is not the reference point.
Wow! The best video regarding the subject. One thing, if a runway end (say rwy-14) used both for landing and take off, should we consider approach surfaces or take off climb surface or both? Thank you in advance.
Just one liner explaination is not possible as these value came after a lot of research work..not with the aircrafts only but also with the improvements with ground equipments (DME LLZ, PAPI, etc)..hope you understand.
Please help me with my calculation I tried to find the solution also from the other end - which should work, but why did I get a wrong answer? Appr and Transitional intersect the inner horizontal at 45 m so since appr slope is 2% as you had in the picture as well at 2250m the appr slope reaches the 45m. By then since its divergence is 15% it will have extended 337.5m to the side. Since this is the point where the transitional started it would mean m the distance from the strip has to be 337.5m as well but this then would give you an angle of 13.33%. Obviously wrong but where is the mistake in this calculation? Since all surfaces are connected it has to be possible to find the solution like this as well. Hope you can help
I guess you have assumed "m" as the wrong entity. The "m" written close to 2250 is the unit of the value depicting meters. Please comment down if the problem persists.
I must say I am in the field of Aviation and you all are extremely good at OLS/AGA surfaces. In the 15:45 , the Transition surface extended beyond Conical Surface. In which situation was this surface used. Can you send the reference here.
All these are in accordance with DTHR because, Displaced Threshold is the only declared distance, if not then it has to be omitted from the Rwy Surface
Dear Sir/Madam, Have observed that all Type A charts issued by AIP India for all kind of aerodromes like code 2,3,4 aerodrome s have takeoff funnel with same dimensions as: 1. Inner edge = 180 m 2. Divergence =12.5% 3. Length = 15000 m 3. Outer edge = 1800 m Why it is like that, actually above dimensions are for code 3 & 4 and for code 2 there exists different dimensions for takeoff Climb surface. Still for every aerodromes same dimensions are used . Can you do a video on this topic, explaining why?
Hey, that's a great observation! These surfaces are many a times designed based on the master plan for the aerodrome. Based on the plan for expansion to Code 3 or 4 for a runway which is lets say Code 2 presently, the OLS for the runway is defined with respect to Code 3 or 4 runway to avoid complications in upcoming stages.
How inner transitional surface starting from 60 metre for code E and 70 metre for code F . Explaination given in annex-14 is very hard to understand. Anyone can clarify please
I have been transferred to Delhi HQ Planning department and this video is very useful for me and other persons who are beginners in aviation.
Gald to know !! Wishing you the very best :)
A short video of only 16 mins explains one of the most complex topic field in aviation. The props are used appropiately and the explaination is too the point.
This also clears my doubt that why runway strip is 140m.
Well done. Keep posting new ones
Thank you
Please let us know any other topic you would like.us to discuss
Where complications get simplified...Good attempt...
If all these are to be known, conceived and followed by the Pilots, then it's really a tough job and hats off to them...
My weakest chapter in Annex 14 ... Many things cleared but still needs more knowledge.. Thanks
You people did a great job.. and well explained. Paper pieces are making your explanation tougher
I work in an airport. Your vedios are great and educational. Keep it up
Very nice, both of you explane OLS very well, thank you
I have never seen a video like you guys explained. Thank you for clearing my douth. good job both of you try to make more video for better understanding such as like Low Visibilty producer / adverse weather condition Etc. ..
Nice! Interesting subject, Hats off👏👏👏👏
Thank you :)
Excellent explanation.....
A good initiative to explain the compliances with respect to height restrictions in funnel area
A proper approach...
Keep up the good job 🙂
Very well explained, simplified the subject
Nicely covered thanx
amazing explanation and im still watching it
All doubts cleared, salute to u guys.
Thanks a lot. Good going.
such a good explanation of OLS! i thanks a lot
Very well explained.. Thanks
Good guide
Good initiative.
Very well explained.
Best video for explaining OLS🙏🙏🙏.
I will share this video among other ATC Trainees in my batch to improve their understanding of OLS.
Value of "m" in Transitional sub-section...
14.3%=1:7
If 1=45
Then 7=x... by cross multiplying x=45×7
x=315m (Answer)
What should be the calculation for conical surface? Thanks.
@@muhammadsultanularafin8846 the slope of conical surface is 5% i.e, 2100*5% =105M
2100 kaha se ?? muje tu oper M ki calculation or aap ki bilkul samj nahi ayii.
A very comprehensive and good video on the topic
Glad it was helpful!
Well explained. Cheers guys. Please keep on sharing more content on ICAO 🥂👏
Very well explained the complex surfaces around an aerodrome. Best wishes to you all beginning with your career in aviation.
Thank you sir
Explained very clumsy topic with so much ease 🙏🙏🙏
Good job , highly helpful
Thankyou
Excellent learning experience!
Great explanation. If possible please make the video on Attachment A of annex 14 volume. Approach pole height slope of rising and falling ground
Noted! Added to our to do list!
Thank you
Well explained.. thank you
Beautiful 👍
Beautiful
Thanks a lot for covering this topic. Can you draw these surfaces on google earth. Especially approach funnel with 15 percent divergence if possible
We will try to do it..in future
Well explained
Fantastic explanation
Very nice mam.
Very nice
Please make video on critical and senaitive area of ILS LLZ and GP
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Good concept
The last part would be 13400..
Becoz now a days outer horizontal surface is to be considered as 20Km.
Plz clear my doubt on this fact..
Well explained about this topic...
Well done 👍
The Outer Horizontal Surface shall extend to 15000 meters from the Aerodrome Reference Point for Aerodrome with runway code 3 and 4. In case of Aerodrome with runway Code 2, the Outer Horizontal Surface shall extend to 14740 meters from Aerodrome Reference Point for Instrument runways and 13740 meters for Non Instrument runways. Where combined Outer Horizontal Surface is established for two Aerodromes, the Outer Horizontal Surface shall be centered on the Aerodrome Reference Point of the Aerodrome of higher category. Outer Horizontal Surface for Aerodrome with runway code No.1 shall not be established.
Hope this is of some help in clarifying your doubt.
Well done 👍🏻
Some aerodrome's ARP coordinates are not align to the mid point of runway CL (geometric centre of landing area) as we have two runway in use.
In this case, which one we should consider as a reference to draw a radius of 15,000m for OHS?
Established ARP again or Mid point of runway CL?
I hope you can clear my doubt.
Thanks,
The Outer Horizontal Surface shall extend to 15000 meters from the Aerodrome Reference Point for Aerodrome with runway code 3 and 4. In case of Aerodrome with runway Code 2, the Outer Horizontal Surface shall extend to 14740 meters from Aerodrome Reference Point for Instrument runways and 13740 meters for Non Instrument runways. Where combined Outer Horizontal Surface is established for two Aerodromes, the Outer Horizontal Surface shall be centered on the Aerodrome Reference Point of the Aerodrome of higher category. Outer Horizontal Surface for Aerodrome with runway code No.1 shall not be established.
Hope this is of some help in clarifying your doubt.
@@anweshapal8480 I really appreciated your hardwork and Thank you for helpful reply.
Very good initiative and easy to understand.
Do you have any video on OFZ (Obstacle Free Zone), how it can be explained ?
Hi,
The height of the conical surface is 300 m and extended up to a distance of 9100 m from the runway end at 5%
Yes absolutely this will be inclusive of the outer conical surface that extends above the conical surface.
Very useful video …. But can u clarify how d obstruction height is determined ie… if a antenna is to be placed 1000 mtrs from rwy centre line …. What is d maximum height of obs…. And is there is any formula….
1000mtrs. Which side of the runway sir?
@@aviationavi7532 Sir let it be any side … other than approach and departure path
If this is the case then the governing surface is Transition surface with a slope of 14.3% or 1/7 (one in height and seven in length), which allows a height of 123 m approx but since the other surface named as Horizontal Surface restricts the actual height to be 45m only. Till 4000m from the reference points
@@aviationavi7532 Thanks sir….
Thank you so much. You guys explained it so well.
😍😍😍😍 thank you!
You're welcome 😊
At 14:17 is it 1800 mtr
I think it shall be 180 mtr as written on screen also
shukria khush rahee...
Transitional Surface's distance from strip or M=315
When you say "Reference Point", do you mean the Runway Threshold (black and white lines at the end), rather than the Aerodrome Reference point (Which is the midpoint of the aerodrome)?
1. Reference points are marked on the diagram and these are generally taken as physical ends/beginning of the runway not the Threshold.
2. ARP is not the reference point.
@@aviationavi7532 Thank you for responding. Reference Points = End of the runways. Got it. Thank you.
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Wow! The best video regarding the subject. One thing, if a runway end (say rwy-14) used both for landing and take off, should we consider approach surfaces or take off climb surface or both? Thank you in advance.
Yes if both the runways are in use..then both sides will have..OLS accordingly
My doughts are cleaned..
Hi there A 34m tower near 200 m side runway is there any issue with cod 4 or 3 one?
Can you explain why the inner transitional surface start from 60M for Code E and 75M for Code F
Just one liner explaination is not possible as these value came after a lot of research work..not with the aircrafts only but also with the improvements with ground equipments (DME LLZ, PAPI, etc)..hope you understand.
Please help me with my calculation
I tried to find the solution also from the other end - which should work, but why did I get a wrong answer?
Appr and Transitional intersect the inner horizontal at 45 m so since appr slope is 2% as you had in the picture as well at 2250m the appr slope reaches the 45m. By then since its divergence is 15% it will have extended 337.5m to the side. Since this is the point where the transitional started it would mean m the distance from the strip has to be 337.5m as well but this then would give you an angle of 13.33%.
Obviously wrong but where is the mistake in this calculation?
Since all surfaces are connected it has to be possible to find the solution like this as well.
Hope you can help
I guess you have assumed "m" as the wrong entity. The "m" written close to 2250 is the unit of the value depicting meters.
Please comment down if the problem persists.
Hi thank you very much for your videos
Please share the requirement of OLS for runway Type 2-B
Thank u so much
I must say I am in the field of Aviation and you all are extremely good at OLS/AGA surfaces. In the 15:45 , the Transition surface extended beyond Conical Surface. In which situation was this surface used. Can you send the reference here.
Thankyou ❤
thank you for these explanations, I have a Question, in the case of a DTHR, the definition of these surfaces must be based on DTHR or THR?
All these are in accordance with DTHR because, Displaced Threshold is the only declared distance, if not then it has to be omitted from the Rwy Surface
can u pl upload video in higher quality.
Dear Sir/Madam, Have observed that all Type A charts issued by AIP India for all kind of aerodromes like code 2,3,4 aerodrome s have takeoff funnel with same dimensions as:
1. Inner edge = 180 m
2. Divergence =12.5%
3. Length = 15000 m
3. Outer edge = 1800 m
Why it is like that, actually above dimensions are for code 3 & 4 and for code 2 there exists different dimensions for takeoff Climb surface. Still for every aerodromes same dimensions are used . Can you do a video on this topic, explaining why?
Hey, that's a great observation!
These surfaces are many a times designed based on the master plan for the aerodrome. Based on the plan for expansion to Code 3 or 4 for a runway which is lets say Code 2 presently, the OLS for the runway is defined with respect to Code 3 or 4 runway to avoid complications in upcoming stages.
Outer horizontal surface ki limits kitni hai??
Extends to 15km from ARP and you can picture it as a surface covering the Conical Surface.
Thx, Why you don't explain what is the reference point ? 😢
Reference point is a datum decided by airport operator and it can be changed if required as per the requirements
5:30 OUTER horizontal surface ki width/length ??? please
Can u make a video on Basic ILS Surface
Please Name the surfaces you want to be explained we will surely come with a solution
Sir i think the inner edge of approach is 300M instead of 280M
which organization you both belong to I see a BCAS pass.....
How inner transitional surface starting from 60 metre for code E and 70 metre for code F . Explaination given in annex-14 is very hard to understand. Anyone can clarify please
Please quote the explanation from Annex 14, so that we can make out the correct answer for your query
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M = 315 m approx.
M=42.66 m
Is it correct?
We appreciate your efforts in calculating the answer, but the correct answer is M=315 m
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314. 6 M
45/0.143=315
Correct
M=315.68
315
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