Catatonia - negativism, waxy flexibility, catalepsy. 1940s
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Short silent presentation. Patient has the tendency to remain in an immobile posture. Some of the doctor's attempts to reposition the patient are met by active resistance, while others permitted. After being repositioned, the patient remains in the new pose.
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I work in a psychiatric hospital and one of our patients receives ECT (electroconvulsive therapy) to treat his catatonia when it manifests. They also do maintenance sessions to avoid the catatonic episodes. He comes in every 3-4 weeks for treatments and it’s been very successful. If he goes more than 4 weeks without it he becomes catatonic.
It’s so nice to see how far we have advanced in treatment for this and being able to see that patient function well is wonderful!
I hope you can provide any update since you've physically seen the patient
this isnt advanced at all. ECT been there for decades. and it always makes the memory worse. Better than absolutely nothing, but catatonia/schizophrenia is not treatable in a really good way that helps a lot without terrible side effects. and its still not curable at all.
Poor man. Imagine if he’s still in there, conscious but not able to control his body
many people in catatonia are still concious. so it's possible
but "IF" the inside man is "human"..
Thankfully it’s followed by amnesia.
He is counscoious and terrified that is why he is paralysed in a way its pure fear
@@seeexy what? Ofcourse its still human tf?
I like how half the vid was explaining the catalepsy than the other half was just them playing with him like a doll
Great, now we know how flexible and rigid he is, but what do we do about him being unresponsive and not reacting to anything of this.
I don't like how harsh the doctor is handling him...He's still a human, he doesn't have to be treated so roughly just to show examples of catatonic states
this was the 40s. Treatment of the mentally ill was terrible
Exactly...it broke my heart, he was clearly not at all comfortable in that last position where they put both of his arms and legs up he was trying to put his legs back down but could not. Poor people, I hope they are at a better place no one deserves this.
Back then, medicine wasn't what it is today. That was a stage. Today's medicine wasn't built in 1 day. Humanity discovered rights and wrongs step by step and tomorrow it will be completely different. Next generations will look at 2021's medicine and say "Wow it was horrible". That's how science works. An infinite cognitive evolution.
Yea, I mean in the 1940s the Nazis literally killed 300,000 mental patients, and the rest of the world wasn't doing much better.
Shuuut up
Thank you so much
Thanks for the video... very helpful...
What do you mean
This isn't torture. This is how research works. You document what the disease is and to what extent this affliction can go. He isn't treated roughly.
lol are you dumb? Just because that’s “what research is” doesn’t mean they aren’t being rough. It just means that research by your definition involves being rough and that it’s fine to do because you aren’t them. You should be more clear about how self centered you are if you’re going to post this way. That way people will know not to take you seriously 🙃
no he isn't treated roughly, just like a kid playing with a doll is not treating it roughly, except there's a human being in that body, and treating it like a doll is dehumanizing, which is way worst than rough treatment.
@@reackizback that's your feelings speaking. Something that doesn't come into play in studying and observing a pathology.
When there is knowledge about a disease, you can start to understand it and treat it. You miss the point entirely i'm afraid.
@@anomalyp8584 well you're right I think feelings/empathy must play a part in healing people, anyways thats just my opinion, I don't claim to hold some universal truth
@@reackizback healing is the step after knowing, how do you know you are healing if you don't know what treatment is best and what disease you are treating? What are the presenting forms, what is the progression, what is the impact, prognosis,.... All those things must be studied first. They say soft healers make stinking wounds for a reason. If you act on feelings, you WILL make things worse.
I don't have to tell you that 'back in the day' they cured diseases with leeches, bloodletting, rubbing themselves in with the most horrendous concoctions,...
I'm sure they meant well, but if you treat people on feelings alone, you will do more harm than good.
Don't morale high ground me here, because you don't have a hill to stand on.
its interesting that his right leg moves forward to brace his body in order to resist forced movement of the head
Not just his leg, but his whole body and hips
It looks like they're abusing this poor man. Like he's an 8th grade science experiment.
Lots of doctors are abusive, psychopathy is vastly overrepresented among medical doctors (as is narcissism).
LOVE THESE VIDEOS GIVES ME A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF DIFFERENT MENTAL DISORDERS &ILLNESSES THANK YOU
What exactly do you understand better now?
2:05 The patient moves his right hand on the hand rest after it is placed there when he supposedly can't move himself. This looks like a demonstration unlike the other comments here suggest.
I don't think the doctor is being rude to the person at all. On the contrary, he is handling it appropriately. Do you know how much an arm or a leg can weigh? To try to move another person's arm or leg, you must apply force, even more so if they are fainting or do not want to be moved. That's how things were before, that's why they were mentally stronger than us today. Now everything represents an offense and that is why this is the crystal generation. This type of videos are educational. Thanks for the video!
I read what catatonia is and I still don't understand it. Why does this happen? Can the person not move?...and why not? Do they ever move again? Please help. Thank you.
How do they even get him in and out of the chair? How does he eat?
Cactatonia rarely lasts longer than maybe an hour, i doubt hed be permanently immoble but im not a doctor
@@thegreatpigeon8999
Catatonia can last from hours, days, to even weeks. It all depends on the patient, and some even refuse to eat. It's distressing to watch.
@@totallynotajellyfish4503 I have it myself sometimes and mine never lasts longer than an hour or two but there are some exceptions ofcourse
@@thegreatpigeon8999
Oh of course, that's what makes each case unique. I'm terribly sorry to hear you have to endure that, and I hope treatment is doing you well.
@@totallynotajellyfish4503 Thank you
This doctor needs a doctor. 🥺
😂😂😂
Don't know how this man's body can remain in elevated positions as gravity would pull them down and yet he doesn't seem to struggle, it's a bit illogical.
As someone with catalepsy, I can tell you the answer to the gravity question...it feels like there is a specific place in the air for your arm to be...where it is it not affected by gravity at all. It is very weird. I usually only do it in my sleep...I will have one arm just straight up in the air!
@@psychicrenegade Thank you for that information, I'm sorry you have to deal with that.
@@psychicrenegade can you tell me the difference between catalepsy and stupor
@@aalyanqazi5892 catalepsy has to do with movement, stupor has to do with the state of mind and response to stimuli so this patient does not respond to pain like normal people.
@@psychicrenegadeI assume it’s a tensing of the muscles ?
This is cruel!!! Its tormentive
to treat someone like that even if they are in such a state, its in human like they’re a toy.
thats a doctor demonstrating the disorder, what if you had no doctor or therapist treating your disorders
@@Q77N nah dude, psychiatry back then was a cruel joke, this is widely accepted in the medical field and mainstream thought
@chocolatecrud no it isnt. Those "cruel" tests were necessary in order to fully understand the extent of these diseases. People with certain diseases were treated so poorly, but through those mechanisms we learnt the range of the disease, how to cure it etc.
🙏nice imaginaion than you sir
They be so rough with him
There is no mention of whether the patient is medicated or if the symptoms are increased or reduced by different variables.
All they had to offer was chlorpromazine which interestingly only differed from imipramine by a couple atoms!! Other than these atoms, identical structures. One is an antidepressant, the other an antipsychotic. Peter Breggin taught me so much in my residency. Many moons ago - ha!! Now, I'm dog feces...
It's just crazy that the doctor had to be so rough to the man just to show examples of catatonic. I don't think it had to be done this way. Very inhumane. He can hurt the poor guy. Hurt his neck, Sprain somewhere, twist somewhere. I just don't like it!
Catatonia patients often are fully concious and aware
Think how badly they treated the monkeys they experimented on
You're way too far into the future for the doctor to get that message, might wanna time travel back to the 40s to say that to him
it is for academic purposes, this is how its supposed to be.
@@FlopoTop i don't cate that it is for academic purpose. doctor is idiot. he could have done it differently
Legend has it the guy is still posed on that chair.
😂👏🏻
There's something haunting about these videos
Jól sikerült a pszichopata egészségügyi asszisztens bemutatása,köszönet a betegnek 🕺
This is one of the most inhumane things I've ever seen. Treating a person like a doll
They are recording the condition for research purposes
@@TheFagTube doesn’t matter, there’s an ethical code of conduct for doctors
@@2toneglizz695 and Joseph Goebbels was helping science too
@@absolutezero6190 exactly, medicine back then was utterly horrifying.
@@absolutezero6190 What's happening in the video could actually be well within the lines the ethics code of conduct (even today). It all really depends though.
think this is not a patient just a presentation catatonia, catelepsy and negativism
Excellent Illustration, Old is Gold indeed. nowadays lots of mushie people
What a nightmare.
That last 40 seconds is harsh. The human body fully flex in that position makes it almost impossible to breath. He woulda stayed flexed out until he passed out.
the very first time his mouth/jaw is opened automatically, his eyes opened at tiny bit wider. Why? Only the first time tho.
Interesting
Had deja vu in a dream then woke up & had it happened for real.
One time I dreamed I was asleep and I woke up and I was asleep!
@@MrTruckerf LOL
Posing a catatonic person like it was Garry's Mod.💀
Kawawa naman ang may sakit na ganyan! The person with that kind of illness is pitifull!😢
Is this a cure?
This is insanely intriguing, but yes a bit sad! Doctor, could you be a little more hands on!?! Jeez🙄😳
Looks like my chiropractor appointment
Action Man, The greatest hero of them all!
الحمدلله الذي عافانا مما ابتلاه
I do this sometimes I go catatonic without any mental issues
So does does he ever regain consciousness? And if he does, is he aware he was in that state and was he thinking actively; or was he in a frozen mind as well??
Hoping for an interesting answer!!
You are, for the most part, perfectly conscious when in a catatonic state, just unable to move on your own
In more or less degree, the willingness is affected. In severe cases like this one, there's no registry of body, reality and self. That's what schizophrenia exactly means, "divided mind". Body and mind unity is totally lost.
Gonna make him crack his head of the wall
Maybe he don't wanna listen to him 😂
Wow
En lo último parece que ese doctor está jugando con el paciente.
the doctor is moving the patient's jaw and arms and parts so harshly .. i even was worried about his jaws not to be broken, its somebody's else's physical boundaries how can you enter it in such a hard push ?
Doc is just trying to get him to laugh at 3:00 lmao
How?
@@josan9483 oh boy, a serious sally! Not baiting me today, I'm here for laughs 😁
@@treybowers154 it’s not funny though, it’s sad
@@treybowers154 Wdym that's bait? How is the word 'how' bait, wth?
Also, I'm not one to judge, but you should probably think twice before laughing at people's misfortune. Be they mentally ill, recorded 80 years ago or not, I don't think it's healthy to find joy in observing catatonic patients
@@markthomsen4269 you should see how funny it is throwing rocks at people in wheelchairs, an old classic sure, but still holds up in my book!
Imagine the missing film of black test subjects.
White or black, they were treated the same.
@@emmaathome2902 keep telling yourself that
@@emmaathome2902 yeah, specially in the forties
Why u always gotta bring race into it? Guess what, white people are treated badly as well. It's a class issue not a race issue
@@emmaathome2902 Damn you just erased slavery and years of oppression
Póngalo en español 😢
peeps he is treated bad, but remember this was the 40s
2:15 lol catalepsy was hilarious
How and what way?
Oh my Lord. That's me when I was young. I fooled them doctors for 3 hots and a cot! They're all dead and here I am... how embarrassing!! Now 88.
Los brutos, solo se sorprenden de lo que hace el paciente en su padecer....NUNCA LES AYUDARON..NUNCA ALIVIARON A NADIE !!¡!!!!!!!!!!!
I don't get it. What happens if he needs to go to the toilet?
This stays usually for a few hours. They give Valium for this to relax the patient.
I had this too in summer 2020 but I cannot remember completely. I was so lost. But I remember that I couldn't speak and move and tears ran from my cheeks and the nurses gave me an injection of Valium. Then I slept A LOT
I guess they helped me with toilet and shower but I forgot. But I remember how they brang me food and I spit it out on the table cause I had hallucinations that it tasted rotton and disgusting. and the voices told me horrible things in catatonia and my head burned like fire. That was terrible. Really bad
@@desertrose3090 Hope you're doing well now. Thanks for sharing.
@@desertrose3090 what triggered the catatonic episode
@@josephstalin9357 I was in psychosis and in the fight between what is the reality and what is delusion the catatonia started.
@@desertrose3090 Do you want to be friends? If you're lonely
He's tied to the chair and under the influence of powerful psychotropic drugs.
He could have been more gentler with him...
My first impression was this guy is no different from someone sitting in front of his computer "chilling" to net flicks.
*This has got to be fake? If you threw him in the air, you don't seriously think that he wouldn't fall? This is just special effects.*
Ah yes just like people creating myths and legends about things they dont know and understand
Maybe that doctor ended up in a nursing home where they treated him the same way.
I don't like that they use actual patients for this stuff. If Daniel Day Lewis can play a physically challenged person convincingly, surely they can hire an actor who has spent a lot of time with this person imitating the challenges. I just dont like using actual people with the condition because it feels like such an intrusion.
If bro hadn't succumbed to his angst he could've been the greatest dancer known to mankind, he had the body for it
They all came into this world healthy and as a result of being exposed to the harsh pressures of life and being forced to take psychiatric medications, they became like this. All medications do not treat the psychological condition, but rather make it worse than before.
This is so disturbing ... Why the doctor is doing so....
The man is in pain 😥😥🥺
@A Passing Ship yes you are right!!
nobody's home
Doctors before the most rude
Still are
Really disgusting to watch
Yes he reacts on inputs and guides but stops direct after that. Sad
Why you handling him like that doc 💀
Why the f*ck is that doctor manhandling the patient?!?!?
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 he's really fucked up
Damn that’s unnecessary… how many times do you have to see the same shit?
That is just ridiculous! What is the doctor doing to him, what is he wanting to show?!
If you believe that's something called "psychiatry" you resemble Mengele.
This was like the 20s or 30s bro life was cheap back then, ppl were still slaves what do you expect ? 😂
That was disturbing, shame on that "dr"
For what? demonstrating the clinical symptoms of a disorder he spent years on to study and help people from? unlike you.
this is abuse
Ι think the doctor need a doctor 🤔.......
This is fear within this young man caused by the demon possessing his very soul.
I know i sound like an atheist but there aint no demon there just himself, his own mind making his life harder than it is
This looks staged
Why?
Its the 40s its not staged
It was funny when they started posing him.
you are wrong
Not funny at all.. he is sick
@@saudi.riytta2083 very funny hahahahahahaha
What is wrong with you??
Awful video of abuse. Should be removed.
Legs couldn't hold out long out stretching from the doctors manipulation... Tells me it's a concussion movement...