I use a white board,I had 32 songs to learn in 3 weeks...before heading out on tour...it was a tall order, and tone honest...it wasn’t the songs I found difficult..it was the amount of information I was trying to retain... it’s all about putting the hours in...
Totally. I’m doing this again for a tour coming up and I just find I have to listen, play, write out a chart/frame, and play more. It takes time, but it works.
Well, since he is just too famous, he just broke through onto the other side. Imagine it like an integer overflow; he is too famous, so his famousness just resets to an apparently low level.
You are absolutely right. In addition to writing out songs, I also practice with no bass with my notes (or no notes) with the song playing and call out the changes. It is almost as valuable as doing it with an instrument and it can be done anywhere you can wear headphones. I also learn the song basics first. The chords and the structure. As I get those down I go back and find runs, passing notes, etc and add those in. Every time I listen to the song, I hear more things. It is easier for me to absorb the song learning basics first and adding on as I get the parts down. Sometimes I get shows on short notice and I learn the basics of the song as far as I can without much fancy stuff and it works great. If I tried to do every single thing in those songs, it would sound terrible.
It sounds like you have a great process for learning songs in a way that works for you. Awesome! I hosted open jam nights for years, and being able to paraphrase and hear the changes because of song familiarity was the key to playing songs I really hadn’t played. It was an incredibly valuable skill. And yes, getting bogged down in the minutia would have me playing a torrent of bum notes…but I would get most of those by the end of the tune(had to toot my own horn! Lol!). Thanks for the comment.
Great video, Mike. I have been struggling with this as a casual player. I am amazed at my friends' abilities to know all the songs that they do. I have developed a habit of learning the parts of songs I want to learn, but my problem is I'm not listening and playing along with the songs enough. So what ends up happening is I play the song parts over and over but I play them in my own 'format' and I end up getting away from the feel of the songs and I don't know exactly when the chorus is supposed to start or the 3rd verse, etc. That's the obvious flaw in how I have approached things. Your advice on charting it out is exactly the right idea, and is something I am going to start doing. In addition to doing more playing along with and analyzing the songs I am trying to learn, charting it out and devoting the work to the process should make me a better player, and more importantly a better musician. Thanks for the good advice.
I like your use of the word “process”, because that’s exactly what it is. Not everyone has the same way of learning or creating a routine that works for them. That is also part of the process. Stay disciplined in your routine, and learn the WHOLE song. Map out the frame of the song(Intro, Verse, Chorus, Verse, etc.), and learn all the parts.
I like your tips, all straight up realistic ways to go about it! You are so right about reading the words onstage. I cant stand that, it is so lame for bands to do..I wont go pay to see a band do that. I saw many good bands, sure as hell never saw Led Zeppelin, Heart, Junior Brown, Michael Burkes, Kim Massie, the Stones, or so many other greats do that..only Chuck Berry forgot words, he was in his late 80's still played and moved real good, just forgot words, and the crowd and his son Charles, sang along with him, to make sure it all turned out well..He had no papers onstage, it just turned into a massive sing along.. but that is ok, because they jammed real good and he was like 87 or so..so hey...But you are right, of course having it totally memorized as if it is someones own song is way better, instead of papers, or smart phones, (even lamer), and music stand onstage.
Funny enough I came here knowing what your answer would be (just do the work) 🙂 Very cool that my TH-cam search brought me to you though Mike. I saw you live with Scarem when Petes hand was messed up and you did an incredible job. Those are some tough leads to cover!
This is the lesson I’ve been looking for !!... and this is on flaw I knew I had to tocar care of to be able to dump all frustration aside .. thank u Sir!! ... this will put me in the road to fame !! .. 🔥🎵🚀🎸
I don’t know if it will put you on the road to fame, but it might help you come up with a method to remember songs. Best to you, and thanks for the comment.
Thanks for the video. I've been struggling with this cover I'm working on because I keep messing up in a few places with lyrics or chords or whatnot. It's frustrating! I will try writing everything down like you said and maybe it will stick better. I know I've had success with that in the past to help me remember something, but I don't think I've tried it with lyrics and music.
ear training takes a long time to develop and repetition as well. I look for patterns since most metal and rock songs use the same chords and pentatonic scales just in different sequence.
Agreed. That's a different way of framing as I was saying. I do find it interesting to see people play a fairly common song and have completely different voicings or positions for chords than I would use. I have a joke with some of my friends and students where I say, "This chord is going to change your life!", and then I show them the voicing of a particular chord in the song they were playing and watch their face as they HEAR the right chord. Thanks for the comment!
Don’t get down on yourself. Repetition is the key. Someone commented earlier on looking for patterns in the chords and song structures. I find that if I’m singing and playing, I have to learn one part really well first. I tend to learn the guitar part first, then write out the lyrics by listening to the song , NOT copying off google. The more I listen, the more everything sinks in. I also find that the map or structure of the song is easier to learn without a guitar in my hand, because if I have a guitar I will noodle away and not really pick up the parts. Stick with it. It’s not the years, it’s the hours.
I use a white board,I had 32 songs to learn in 3 weeks...before heading out on tour...it was a tall order, and tone honest...it wasn’t the songs I found difficult..it was the amount of information I was trying to retain... it’s all about putting the hours in...
Totally. I’m doing this again for a tour coming up and I just find I have to listen, play, write out a chart/frame, and play more. It takes time, but it works.
If he is way too famous, why have I never saw him or heard of him till this minute? What a concept!
Well, since he is just too famous, he just broke through onto the other side. Imagine it like an integer overflow; he is too famous, so his famousness just resets to an apparently low level.
@@Neoplasie1900 That’s the best explanation I’ve ever heard! Awesome!
Lol!
Well, uv seen and heard of him now. 😎
You are absolutely right. In addition to writing out songs, I also practice with no bass with my notes (or no notes) with the song playing and call out the changes. It is almost as valuable as doing it with an instrument and it can be done anywhere you can wear headphones. I also learn the song basics first. The chords and the structure. As I get those down I go back and find runs, passing notes, etc and add those in. Every time I listen to the song, I hear more things. It is easier for me to absorb the song learning basics first and adding on as I get the parts down. Sometimes I get shows on short notice and I learn the basics of the song as far as I can without much fancy stuff and it works great. If I tried to do every single thing in those songs, it would sound terrible.
It sounds like you have a great process for learning songs in a way that works for you. Awesome! I hosted open jam nights for years, and being able to paraphrase and hear the changes because of song familiarity was the key to playing songs I really hadn’t played. It was an incredibly valuable skill. And yes, getting bogged down in the minutia would have me playing a torrent of bum notes…but I would get most of those by the end of the tune(had to toot my own horn! Lol!).
Thanks for the comment.
Great video, Mike. I have been struggling with this as a casual player. I am amazed at my friends' abilities to know all the songs that they do. I have developed a habit of learning the parts of songs I want to learn, but my problem is I'm not listening and playing along with the songs enough. So what ends up happening is I play the song parts over and over but I play them in my own 'format' and I end up getting away from the feel of the songs and I don't know exactly when the chorus is supposed to start or the 3rd verse, etc. That's the obvious flaw in how I have approached things. Your advice on charting it out is exactly the right idea, and is something I am going to start doing. In addition to doing more playing along with and analyzing the songs I am trying to learn, charting it out and devoting the work to the process should make me a better player, and more importantly a better musician. Thanks for the good advice.
I like your use of the word “process”, because that’s exactly what it is. Not everyone has the same way of learning or creating a routine that works for them. That is also part of the process. Stay disciplined in your routine, and learn the WHOLE song. Map out the frame of the song(Intro, Verse, Chorus, Verse, etc.), and learn all the parts.
I like your tips, all straight up realistic ways to go about it! You are so right about reading the words onstage. I cant stand that, it is so lame for bands to do..I wont go pay to see a band do that. I saw many good bands, sure as hell never saw Led Zeppelin, Heart, Junior Brown, Michael Burkes, Kim Massie, the Stones, or so many other greats do that..only Chuck Berry forgot words, he was in his late 80's still played and moved real good, just forgot words, and the crowd and his son Charles, sang along with him, to make sure it all turned out well..He had no papers onstage, it just turned into a massive sing along.. but that is ok, because they jammed real good and he was like 87 or so..so hey...But you are right, of course having it totally memorized as if it is someones own song is way better, instead of papers, or smart phones, (even lamer), and music stand onstage.
I just love honesty.
Thank you Michael for being genuine I really appreciate it… Great stuff!
Thank you for the comment. I want to revive the channel in the future, so you comment is appreciated.
Funny enough I came here knowing what your answer would be (just do the work) 🙂 Very cool that my TH-cam search brought me to you though Mike. I saw you live with Scarem when Petes hand was messed up and you did an incredible job. Those are some tough leads to cover!
Thank you so much for this. I plan on using all the techniques.
Your chart sounds like "Love Stinks" lol. ...and many many other songs, but your tone lent itself to that song. Great video thanks!
This is really cool--it's awesome to hear a pro's method for how to learn things.
This is the lesson I’ve been looking for !!... and this is on flaw I knew I had to tocar care of to be able to dump all frustration aside ..
thank u Sir!! ... this will put me in the road to fame !! .. 🔥🎵🚀🎸
I don’t know if it will put you on the road to fame, but it might help you come up with a method to remember songs.
Best to you, and thanks for the comment.
Some great tips, many thanks!
Imperfectly perfect. Thank you
Great advice. I do the same and good to hear it's a sound approach. I wondered how you knew all that material lol
Not the years, it's the hours...
Agreed from one street guy to another. Your best instrument is your ear. The rest is like you say - "hard work & repetition " Well Done Michal
Thanks Anthony!
Thanks for the tips Michale. 🎙🎼🎶🎵♩🍻😊
Thanks for the comment. I’m thinking of reviving the channel, so this is appreciated.
Love your honesty
Thanks for the video. I've been struggling with this cover I'm working on because I keep messing up in a few places with lyrics or chords or whatnot. It's frustrating! I will try writing everything down like you said and maybe it will stick better. I know I've had success with that in the past to help me remember something, but I don't think I've tried it with lyrics and music.
No giving up! Just remember that you have to get rid of the paper eventually. Always break it down into small chunks.
Excellent advice!
Great info Mike. I've always had to write out lyrics too. Reading a print out just doesn't stick.
Thanks Ted, I'm glad you like the video.
This was so inspiring. Thanks man!
Thank you! I’m thinking of reviving the channel, so choir comment is appreciated.
ear training takes a long time to develop and repetition as well. I look for patterns since most metal and rock songs use the same chords and pentatonic scales just in different sequence.
Agreed. That's a different way of framing as I was saying. I do find it interesting to see people play a fairly common song and have completely different voicings or positions for chords than I would use. I have a joke with some of my friends and students where I say, "This chord is going to change your life!", and then I show them the voicing of a particular chord in the song they were playing and watch their face as they HEAR the right chord.
Thanks for the comment!
Excellent information. Thank you!
Thank you!
Thank You. I feel like a goof, cause I knew your answer. Made me feel good though! Thanks!
The fun part is that means play more guitar!
great video!
telling it straight
it's easy after a LOT OF HARD WORK! people need to hear this stuff TNX eh!
That's exactly what I needed to hear.
Sometimes the the best method is just putting in the hours. This seems to work best for me. Hope it helps! Thanks for the comment.
Good stuff Mike. Bang on.
back @ it
Write charts for them and memorise the riffs.
It just works
I cannot remember lyrics at all. I have tried repetition, but very often I can't even remember the first line. I can remember guitar chords though.
I'm a singer/guitar player...trying to learn the lyrics as well as the guitar parts is really difficult :/
Don’t get down on yourself. Repetition is the key. Someone commented earlier on looking for patterns in the chords and song structures. I find that if I’m singing and playing, I have to learn one part really well first. I tend to learn the guitar part first, then write out the lyrics by listening to the song , NOT copying off google. The more I listen, the more everything sinks in. I also find that the map or structure of the song is easier to learn without a guitar in my hand, because if I have a guitar I will noodle away and not really pick up the parts.
Stick with it. It’s not the years, it’s the hours.
SUBBED
Thanks! I'm bringing this channel back soon. Had a big move and really anxious to do more!
“The real true is, there is no secret” this sentence i remember faster then any song...
Ha Ha! The more you play, the easier to gets. Play Play Play!
We need more” Way Too Famous “ !!!
This guy is one killer guitarist! Check him out with Phil x in the band “ Kurt diemer “ ! Just killer!