The Keon Coleman playing on Clemson argument is a fallacy. *If Cade doesn’t fumble, Clemson wins *if Clemson runs the ball in overtime, they could easily win *If Clemson had made the field go, they win before over time. The problem is, when you pick out any one single fact and make a statement that can’t be tested, then you can use that fact to support an entire idea, like in this case, that the lack of portal usage is the REASON Clemson lost. The logic is technically nonsensical even if on the surface it feels right. You could easily say the same about Clemsons kicking, decision making, and offensive line. I believe the portal narrative is given too much stock because it can’t be proven UNLESS Clemson tries to add major star power with the portal (arguable to say that many portal players would even start at Clemson)
Funniest part is he had like two catches that day, and both weren't against Nate Wiggins, a guy developed within the system who's a first rounder. Dabos problem had nothing to do with the portal, watch Matt Luke and Chris Rumph do work, see how you feel
I think Dabo understands the portal better then most… clemson will be fine the change is coming but its not going to be the whiplash other schools have
I think Dabo is still crushing it. Recruiting at a very high-level and like 15 consecutive years or some thing while of the top 25 team. “Don’t quote me” . The reason why we don’t land. Huge portal guys is because these portal guys want starting roles. Clemson doesn’t have many of those available because of the high recruiting success.
People truly don’t get this. The vast majority of portal players would be back ups at Clemson. The ones who are good enough to start are very few and just follow the money. When that happens you’re more likely to take larger steps back between years, like what FSU is dealing with after this year
Preach! That plus we continue to recruit at a high level despite a couple down years because kids and their families see it as a spot they will be developed and not live in fear of the next portal diva taking their job or jeopardizing g their future via playing time. Teams lose as much as they gain when using the portal.
Yep- loyalty, culture, brotherhood, security all go i oh it the window with the portal transactions. It’ll feels a bit like selling my soul for a win. Nit a fan and hope it exposes every player to the programs ,and exposes the programs to the players for having no standards
Bama called Coach Swinney about their vacancy and he said he is happy were he was and wished them the best of luck. I am not sure where you believe that Bama did not call and checked to see what his interest would have in that job...As for the portal and NIL stuff, lets just say that Dabo is playing 3D chess while all these other programs are playing checkers. Look at the recruiting for 2025...Little Ole Clemson is just fine and Dabo is not going to bend the knee to anything being pushed by the talking heads on the internet.
With the portal, Dabo doesn`t do NIL$. They have to want to be there, then see what`s available. With the talent level, they`re recruiting big talent, they`re not developing that talent. With Venables, that guy was high octane and needed a get back coach. He made everyone around him high octane too. I don`t see much enthusiasm the last 3 years. Tyler from Spartanburg lit a spark.Much needed.
You haven’t seen much enthusiasm? I mean coach goodwins defense was pretty damn good for his second year yea? They ranked top 5 just about all year or just outside of it. However I do agree that coach V was the man. He did make everyone better. But with that said, Wes is coming into his own. Guys have to remember there was a reason wes was one of coach Venables first choices to take with him.
@@holdenbranham8539 I like the job Wes is doing, but these are basically a bunch of big kids and sometimes need a fire lit under those butts. I`m not too concerned about the defense. They`re fundamentally sound and the players appear to be getting developed at a faster pace.I see very little fire in the offense, from players or coaches. Where`s the guy that used to yell "Bring your own guts", and dressed down reporters for using the word Clemsoning? The guy who would smack talk other coaches, like Spurrier? He popped up for Tyler from Spartanburg, and went on a 5 game win streak. As goes the coach, so goes the team.
Umm. People need to remember. Dabo never won shidt. The Oklahoma head coach won two nattys. No one wants to play for Clemson without venables. No one wants to pull for Clemson with an over paid under performing coach. He don’t even use words like tenacity. Because. Brent took it to Oklahoma. Dabo is a bum coach.
Clemson pays you to stay, not to come. That’s not going to work with the portal… but I do believe Dabo will have a leg up once they start putting a cap on NIL. Portal schools will have a problem creating a culture without overbidding.
I find it funny how eager everyone is to bash Dabo for the portal, but riddle me this… If Clemson has 85 scholarships available, and no one leaves early and at best only one maybe two slots are available, how aggressively can you attack the portable? Idiots. I would concede the point of losing players to Maryland, but not qualifying the argument with reality is just absurd. No one leaves Clemson so there is no need to shop elsewhere. Why aren’t you asking why other teams are hemorrhaging players? I’ll wait.
That's exactly what I have said. If no one on scholarship leaves early/unexpectedly then the only ways to make room for transfer portal acquisitions are by under-recruiting HS players or by taking players off scholarship. Neither of which makes sense.
You’ve got some good points about coaches, but Venebles would turn the tables on your position and say he was the beneficiary of Dabo’s leadership, and there much more evidence for that position than yours.
Who was Venables before he got to Clemson? He left Oklahoma for Clemson because he was no longer wanted there. Stoops brought in his brother to "fix" their defense. Venables knows what impact Dabo has had on him.
Dabo has said that he thinks that the transfer portal is sad. He said that there are these young guys who are coming out of high school and want to play, but they aren't the priority anymore because teams are focusing more on transfers than recruiting. I think that might be a reason why they aren't that aggressive in the portal
I don't agree the portal isn't the reason Clemson lost it was a missed field goal by a kicker that should've never been put in that position and the ot play last 2 plays should've went to number 7
Y’all. The shorter guy wasn’t gonna start at Clemson, while he will at Maryland. Simple. ALSO, are y’all kidding? Alabama AD called Dabo to judge his interest in the job and it wasn’t a courtesy call. Get your facts right. I expect better, but I guess Grace is unplugged from the program now.
Everyone keeps forgetting the number one reason Clemson has sucked has been because Jeff Scott has been gone, you can say whatever you want Tony Elliott wasn't calling the plays when Clemson was dominating, it was Jeff Scott and Scott was coaching the receivers Grisham is not cutting it at getting the receivers play to their potential
So I guess you don’t understand what the term generational means. Second DJ was the top overall QB of his class who literally every school wanted. Nobody thought he would be a bust. And Cade was the top overall QB in his class. His future is unwritten. But apparently you’re saying getting the top of the class isn’t what Dabo should do?
Clemson can't get back on track if they intentionally lose games to get rid of "bandwagon jumpers". Imagine making 11 million dollars per season just to intentionally lose games
The transfer portal take is super overplayed and a little bit lazy at this point. There have been many other factors at play. Sure, you can portal talent, but then you have a resolving door at your program. Look at FSU... they are going to have to stock the shelves every offseason with more one and dones. Embarrassed by UGA in the Orange Bowl because the culture is a "me culture." It goes both ways.
It's not overplayed or lazy. You're just tired of hearing it. Imagine an NFL coach or GM saying they weren't going to use free agency. They would be fired before the press conference was over. Dabo can die on that hill... and he will.
That’s objectively not true. In 2024, the transfer portal is *almost* just as important than recruiting in terms of its utility and it is a game changing format of finding talent. Development and other stuff are important, but don’t get it twisted: removing a hand full of scholarship players from the roster and using the portal to fill a couple of holes in the roster and finding even a handful of MATURE plug and play guys could be the difference between a 11-1 season and a 7-5 season.
My point is every time Clemson loses a game we are talking about the transfer portal like there aren't plenty of programs out there using the transfer portal heavily and still going 8-4 or 7-5. No one wants to hear it, but there are plenty of reasons other than the transfer portal that Clemson has had "down" seasons these past 3 years, and remember we are talking about seasons with 10, 10, and 9 wins. @@FSUOwnsTheState
My point is every time Clemson loses a game we are talking about the transfer portal like there aren't plenty of programs out there using the transfer portal heavily and still going 8-4 or 7-5. No one wants to hear it, but there are plenty of reasons other than the transfer portal that Clemson has had "down" seasons these past 3 years, and remember we are talking about seasons with 10, 10, and 9 wins. @@FSUOwnsTheState
It will be very surprising to see a program make it beyond the second round of the playoffs without using the portal. You don't have to bring in one and done transfers. You can bring in guys with 2 or 3 years of eligibility to develop too. The Georgias and Alabamas can't just sit on talent anymore.
They lost him to Penn State... It was a "either you're in or you're out" kind of deal with Dabo, so when it went south, Clemson was no longer an option. That kind of philosophy doesn't work with recruits today. Dabo is a dinosaur, and like dinosaurs, he won't survive. The NIL/transfer portal era of college football is not suited for guys like him.
WTF are you talking about. Mike reed is hands down the best coach at developing players. He consistently put guys in the nfl. Think about guys like Ryan carter, Mario Goodrich and many many more that were very raw when arriving on campus and coach reed developed them into nfl guys.
You can almost see it from a mile away that the strip Rider starts on her face off dabo and Kirby I know at the beginning of next season but it might become a big storyline they turn to since Nick shaving retired even know nobody cares and doesn't want to see that😅
I am a Clemson fan, and believe we easily could have beaten you last season, but y'all got ROBBED in the play-offs. An undefeated team should ALWAYS have an advantage over 1-loss teams. The committee says that they choose the 4 best teams, not the teams with the best record. If that was the case, why did Cincinnati make the play-offs? It is sad that football "experts" make stupider decisions than a kid
I agree that Clemson could dip into the portal for a guy here and there. But like now, if not, not a huge deal like most are saying. If your taking the fsu game by measuring stick then that should tell you. Clemson was winning that game everywhere. Missed fg and that fumble is what beat Clemson. I’d say those young highscool kids did purdy good against big bad fsu full of transfers.
Man yall have beat us 1 time in 7 or 8 years. Yall got lucky our sorry QB fumbled or you would have got beat this past year,but you will loose in 2024 with the junk yall got playing QB
Clemson is falling behind ncsu & Louisville. They haven’t been that great to start with the last few years and now it’s a pattern of losing top tier talent, not hitting the portal to fix it, and trying to replace starters with underclassmen it’s just not a modern recipe for success & I think they’ll be a perennial 8 win team as long as Dabo is there in the current landscape
The Keon Coleman playing on Clemson argument is a fallacy. *If Cade doesn’t fumble, Clemson wins *if Clemson runs the ball in overtime, they could easily win *If Clemson had made the field go, they win before over time.
The problem is, when you pick out any one single fact and make a statement that can’t be tested, then you can use that fact to support an entire idea, like in this case, that the lack of portal usage is the REASON Clemson lost. The logic is technically nonsensical even if on the surface it feels right. You could easily say the same about Clemsons kicking, decision making, and offensive line. I believe the portal narrative is given too much stock because it can’t be proven UNLESS Clemson tries to add major star power with the portal (arguable to say that many portal players would even start at Clemson)
Funniest part is he had like two catches that day, and both weren't against Nate Wiggins, a guy developed within the system who's a first rounder. Dabos problem had nothing to do with the portal, watch Matt Luke and Chris Rumph do work, see how you feel
I think Dabo understands the portal better then most… clemson will be fine the change is coming but its not going to be the whiplash other schools have
I think Dabo is still crushing it. Recruiting at a very high-level and like 15 consecutive years or some thing while of the top 25 team. “Don’t quote me” . The reason why we don’t land. Huge portal guys is because these portal guys want starting roles. Clemson doesn’t have many of those available because of the high recruiting success.
People truly don’t get this. The vast majority of portal players would be back ups at Clemson. The ones who are good enough to start are very few and just follow the money. When that happens you’re more likely to take larger steps back between years, like what FSU is dealing with after this year
Preach! That plus we continue to recruit at a high level despite a couple down years because kids and their families see it as a spot they will be developed and not live in fear of the next portal diva taking their job or jeopardizing g their future via playing time.
Teams lose as much as they gain when using the portal.
Yep- loyalty, culture, brotherhood, security all go i oh it the window with the portal transactions. It’ll feels a bit like selling my soul for a win. Nit a fan and hope it exposes every player to the programs ,and exposes the programs to the players for having no standards
Lawrence, Wilkins, & Boulware-type players are not the majority now @ Clemson. The culture is different as these type of players dictate culture.
Bama called Coach Swinney about their vacancy and he said he is happy were he was and wished them the best of luck. I am not sure where you believe that Bama did not call and checked to see what his interest would have in that job...As for the portal and NIL stuff, lets just say that Dabo is playing 3D chess while all these other programs are playing checkers. Look at the recruiting for 2025...Little Ole Clemson is just fine and Dabo is not going to bend the knee to anything being pushed by the talking heads on the internet.
Go Tigers
With the portal, Dabo doesn`t do NIL$. They have to want to be there, then see what`s available. With the talent level, they`re recruiting big talent, they`re not developing that talent. With Venables, that guy was high octane and needed a get back coach. He made everyone around him high octane too. I don`t see much enthusiasm the last 3 years. Tyler from Spartanburg lit a spark.Much needed.
Tyler from Spartanburg Wes Clemson's MVP last season
You haven’t seen much enthusiasm? I mean coach goodwins defense was pretty damn good for his second year yea? They ranked top 5 just about all year or just outside of it. However I do agree that coach V was the man. He did make everyone better. But with that said, Wes is coming into his own. Guys have to remember there was a reason wes was one of coach Venables first choices to take with him.
@@holdenbranham8539 I like the job Wes is doing, but these are basically a bunch of big kids and sometimes need a fire lit under those butts. I`m not too concerned about the defense. They`re fundamentally sound and the players appear to be getting developed at a faster pace.I see very little fire in the offense, from players or coaches. Where`s the guy that used to yell "Bring your own guts", and dressed down reporters for using the word Clemsoning? The guy who would smack talk other coaches, like Spurrier? He popped up for Tyler from Spartanburg, and went on a 5 game win streak. As goes the coach, so goes the team.
Umm. People need to remember. Dabo never won shidt. The Oklahoma head coach won two nattys. No one wants to play for Clemson without venables. No one wants to pull for Clemson with an over paid under performing coach. He don’t even use words like tenacity. Because. Brent took it to Oklahoma. Dabo is a bum coach.
Clemson pays you to stay, not to come. That’s not going to work with the portal… but I do believe Dabo will have a leg up once they start putting a cap on NIL. Portal schools will have a problem creating a culture without overbidding.
The portal is kinda like the island of broken toys.
I find it funny how eager everyone is to bash Dabo for the portal, but riddle me this… If Clemson has 85 scholarships available, and no one leaves early and at best only one maybe two slots are available, how aggressively can you attack the portable? Idiots. I would concede the point of losing players to Maryland, but not qualifying the argument with reality is just absurd. No one leaves Clemson so there is no need to shop elsewhere. Why aren’t you asking why other teams are hemorrhaging players? I’ll wait.
That's exactly what I have said. If no one on scholarship leaves early/unexpectedly then the only ways to make room for transfer portal acquisitions are by under-recruiting HS players or by taking players off scholarship. Neither of which makes sense.
You’ve got some good points about coaches, but Venebles would turn the tables on your position and say he was the beneficiary of Dabo’s leadership, and there much more evidence for that position than yours.
Who was Venables before he got to Clemson? He left Oklahoma for Clemson because he was no longer wanted there. Stoops brought in his brother to "fix" their defense. Venables knows what impact Dabo has had on him.
The venables take was awful Clemson had a top 10 defense this past year
Dabo has said that he thinks that the transfer portal is sad. He said that there are these young guys who are coming out of high school and want to play, but they aren't the priority anymore because teams are focusing more on transfers than recruiting. I think that might be a reason why they aren't that aggressive in the portal
You can go back and look at Clemson how they declined after Scott left
Keep playing Dabo, this dinosoar has teeth.
I don't agree the portal isn't the reason Clemson lost it was a missed field goal by a kicker that should've never been put in that position and the ot play last 2 plays should've went to number 7
Yes Trevor was a generational qb but deshauns class was like 16th. And he was a 4 star….
Y’all. The shorter guy wasn’t gonna start at Clemson, while he will at Maryland. Simple. ALSO, are y’all kidding? Alabama AD called Dabo to judge his interest in the job and it wasn’t a courtesy call. Get your facts right. I expect better, but I guess Grace is unplugged from the program now.
Dabo will be next at Bama after Deboer fails.
Everyone keeps forgetting the number one reason Clemson has sucked has been because Jeff Scott has been gone, you can say whatever you want Tony Elliott wasn't calling the plays when Clemson was dominating, it was Jeff Scott and Scott was coaching the receivers Grisham is not cutting it at getting the receivers play to their potential
Does Dabo have a generational QB?
If not he will not do anything!
So I guess you don’t understand what the term generational means. Second DJ was the top overall QB of his class who literally every school wanted. Nobody thought he would be a bust. And Cade was the top overall QB in his class. His future is unwritten. But apparently you’re saying getting the top of the class isn’t what Dabo should do?
Could it be about money? Dabo is not interested in high - priced mercenaries?
Clemson can't get back on track if they intentionally lose games to get rid of "bandwagon jumpers". Imagine making 11 million dollars per season just to intentionally lose games
Grace used to be good, buy she's wack af now. Justyn Ross & Joseph Ngata both are on NFL rosters from 2022 & 2023. UDFA sadly bc of injuries.
The transfer portal take is super overplayed and a little bit lazy at this point. There have been many other factors at play. Sure, you can portal talent, but then you have a resolving door at your program. Look at FSU... they are going to have to stock the shelves every offseason with more one and dones. Embarrassed by UGA in the Orange Bowl because the culture is a "me culture." It goes both ways.
It's not overplayed or lazy. You're just tired of hearing it. Imagine an NFL coach or GM saying they weren't going to use free agency. They would be fired before the press conference was over. Dabo can die on that hill... and he will.
That’s objectively not true. In 2024, the transfer portal is *almost* just as important than recruiting in terms of its utility and it is a game changing format of finding talent. Development and other stuff are important, but don’t get it twisted: removing a hand full of scholarship players from the roster and using the portal to fill a couple of holes in the roster and finding even a handful of MATURE plug and play guys could be the difference between a 11-1 season and a 7-5 season.
My point is every time Clemson loses a game we are talking about the transfer portal like there aren't plenty of programs out there using the transfer portal heavily and still going 8-4 or 7-5. No one wants to hear it, but there are plenty of reasons other than the transfer portal that Clemson has had "down" seasons these past 3 years, and remember we are talking about seasons with 10, 10, and 9 wins. @@FSUOwnsTheState
My point is every time Clemson loses a game we are talking about the transfer portal like there aren't plenty of programs out there using the transfer portal heavily and still going 8-4 or 7-5. No one wants to hear it, but there are plenty of reasons other than the transfer portal that Clemson has had "down" seasons these past 3 years, and remember we are talking about seasons with 10, 10, and 9 wins. @@FSUOwnsTheState
It will be very surprising to see a program make it beyond the second round of the playoffs without using the portal. You don't have to bring in one and done transfers. You can bring in guys with 2 or 3 years of eligibility to develop too. The Georgias and Alabamas can't just sit on talent anymore.
Clicks!
They lost him to Penn State... It was a "either you're in or you're out" kind of deal with Dabo, so when it went south, Clemson was no longer an option. That kind of philosophy doesn't work with recruits today. Dabo is a dinosaur, and like dinosaurs, he won't survive. The NIL/transfer portal era of college football is not suited for guys like him.
There so dumb when it comes to Clemson. See we will be there when nobody else is
the offense has been weak for far to long
Was this based on reality or just for clicks?
Wait and see, you will wish you had bought stock
Big problem is the DB Coach.s both of them get beat a lot 🥴 Clemson will lose 2 or 3 again this year.
No Playoff again even with 12 teams this year !
WTF are you talking about. Mike reed is hands down the best coach at developing players. He consistently put guys in the nfl. Think about guys like Ryan carter, Mario Goodrich and many many more that were very raw when arriving on campus and coach reed developed them into nfl guys.
@mbranbb these clowns are just wishing clemson does bad, but if they turn it around, I'm gonna be serving the crow hot n ready
Buy the stock after Georgia beats them Labor Day Weekend. You should be able to get it cheap.
Who says Geogia will win? Never count out Dabo
Be careful about spitn in the wind, cause it can blow back in your face.
You can almost see it from a mile away that the strip Rider starts on her face off dabo and Kirby I know at the beginning of next season but it might become a big storyline they turn to since Nick shaving retired even know nobody cares and doesn't want to see that😅
NO Stock in Clemson Nope 🤨
You guys no nothing about the Tigers
Clemson needs the portal,but the Coach thinks he's to good.We know how that played out.Go NOLES 🔥🏈🏆
I am a Clemson fan, and believe we easily could have beaten you last season, but y'all got ROBBED in the play-offs. An undefeated team should ALWAYS have an advantage over 1-loss teams. The committee says that they choose the 4 best teams, not the teams with the best record. If that was the case, why did Cincinnati make the play-offs? It is sad that football "experts" make stupider decisions than a kid
I agree that Clemson could dip into the portal for a guy here and there. But like now, if not, not a huge deal like most are saying. If your taking the fsu game by measuring stick then that should tell you. Clemson was winning that game everywhere. Missed fg and that fumble is what beat Clemson. I’d say those young highscool kids did purdy good against big bad fsu full of transfers.
Man yall have beat us 1 time in 7 or 8 years. Yall got lucky our sorry QB fumbled or you would have got beat this past year,but you will loose in 2024 with the junk yall got playing QB
Clemson is falling behind ncsu & Louisville. They haven’t been that great to start with the last few years and now it’s a pattern of losing top tier talent, not hitting the portal to fix it, and trying to replace starters with underclassmen it’s just not a modern recipe for success & I think they’ll be a perennial 8 win team as long as Dabo is there in the current landscape
You sound like a delusional woman