I just received the LS12000. I had an Epson 5040UB and was very pleased with the picture. But man, the LS 12000 is on a completely higher level. What a picture and the colors just pop. And, not like the 5040UB, there is no noise at all at 75% brightness; this is with me sitting directly under it.
It really is impressive. I stare at some of the Netflix content and I’m still blown away. Disc is even better somehow! Hope you consider subscribing to the channel
Finally a review with someone really talking about black levels. That is what I wanted to know about since it’s laser. I’ve been on the fence with this because of not knowing how good the black levels would be. Thanks for taking the time to do this video.
Thank you so much, I am shopping for a new projector and considering this one or the JVC NZ3. I am confused onto which one to get, can you help? I am also looking at the new epson QB1000 but that isnt out in my region yet.
No dolby vision or 3D unfortunately but I agree the picture looks amazing and HDR10+ content really helps. Please like and subscribe and thanks for the comment!
@@thedaingeon How long ago did you get yours? I'm in Michigan as well and have had it on order for a month or two, just wondering what your experience was like?
@@BoyceTheChoice Best Buy delayed my order 4 times (March to July) finally I cancelled my order and picked one up from Paulson’s in Farmington Hills. They had several in stock. If you’re in Michigan I would give them a call as they might be able to get you one right away.
Have you found any setting that improves the black levels? I have a 12000 and run it around 60% laser level and still find the black levels to be meh. Thanks!
Like many commenting here, I am awaiting my LS12000 to arrive. I have a quick question. You stated that you were using two 8k hdmi cables for your longer run. How do you have your equipment plugged into the HDMI 1 and HDMI Earc? Is everything going into your Denon, or are you going directly into your Epson from say your XBox and then into the receiver? The cables have a source and display direction...i am curious as to which direction they might be going?
My Xbox series X runs using one of the 8K cables directly to the Epson HDMI 1 port. All other devices including my PS5 run through the Denon X4700H AVR in to HDMI 2 on the Epson. If I want to connect the Xbox Series X audio through my 5.2.4 setup I just turn on ARC on the Denon and Earc on the Epson and change the denon to "TV Audio". Feel free to post your questions to the LS12000 owners group facebook page. Also please like and subscribe to the videos if you can!
Not that I’ve noticed no. The BenQ x3000i is just as bright and claims it has higher ansi lumens, but the one thing I noticed is the Epson has better overall black levels. Hope you like and sub!
@@user-bi1 LS12000 is still the better unit. Just make sure you get an Alr screen if you have a lot of ambient light or daylight. The x3000i works great in day light too but it has to be perfectly placed in the room to take full benefit and that is hard to do because of the offset
Thanks Manish! Hope you and your friends can like and subscribe! Also please let me know if you want to see videos of any other features the Epson has to offer
@@thedaingeon I will surely , I just bought myself a tw 750(low budget) and amd suggesting the same to my friends also confused between the 750 with the 740 , never considered a benq , so I've always wondered what would be a good benq against them epsons so dare I suggested a video for the average Joe?
That would be a great combination allowing you to take advantage of all of the 4K 120hz devices out there. It’s just very expensive and does not seem to go on sale. Did you check out my Hdfury Vertex video? That should give you an idea of the work involved. Hope you like and sub!
@thedaingeon i am wondering why epson still cannot offer true 4k at this price point while benq and even chinese brands like xgimi can at lower price points. My eyes are used to OLED TV so black levels are very important to me. I saw a youtube review showing the difference between benq tk700sti and epson 5050ub. The difference between pixel shift and true 4k is significant up close. In actual use, are you able to see difference?
Those are not the dimensions; those are the dimensions of the packaging. Projector, including feet (excluding cable cover) 20.5" x 17.6" x 7.6" Weight: 28.0 lb Packaging: 27.8" x 21.9" x 16.0" Weight: 50.8 lb
Just received this projector. Does your projector have a humming/buzzing noise? When changing inputs the buzzing stops and then starts again when video is projected. Upon first look at your setting vs mine they are the same. It is very distracting when scenes are not loud and projector is buzzing. I have looked to see if any could be causing it (cable, mount, etc) and also checked firmware.
Yes it does have a slight buzz that comes from the speakers when switching to HDR. I have been monitoring it and it does it during most content I watch. I am not certain what it is exactly that’s causing it (hdmi cable, receiver, certain settings)
Thanks for the quick reply. Mine is coming directly from the projector and not the speakers. When just the image is displayed no audio. Just wondering if it’s defective unit.
@@chrisarmstrong2976 I’ll listen closely to mine today and see if it also has a buzz from the projector itself. Hope you can subscribe and like the videos. Let me know if you want me to focus on something in particular
Oh please, on a completely black room (as it should be for high end projectors) the Sony and specially the JVCs run circles around the LS12000 in terms of native contrast ratio. Now in your room with those white walls no wonder you think it can match a JVC since that setup is hurting the projector's contrast ratio. Its a good projector but is no match for a JVC including previous gens like the RS640, 540 etc.
Not everyone wants to sit in a black hole. And there is more to a visual image than just black level. Epson 12000 has great black levels, especially for the price. Epson has better color and brightness (pop) than JVC in it's price class. Not everyone can pay $10000 for a projector.
I agree with D Lewis, and let's not forget one of the biggest attractions is it's not bulb based like the 640/540. Laser sealed the deal with me. Something liberating about watching a movie w/o worrying about adding hours to the bulb.
@@dlewis1933 Sure not everyone can do a complete light control room and in that case getting a projector like a JVC would be wasting what it can do. Black levels and contrast ARE the keys to an image that is clearly better if everything else is good. Epson has better color hahahah now that is spoken as a true fanboy. Come on mate, lets be real here...JVC are the pinnacle of consumer level projectors, there is ZERO arguing about that. I am not saying the Epson is bad, but the "stands up to JVC and Sony" from the video is a very misleading comment because on a proper room the differences are BIG. You can actually buy a used RS540 or 640 for less than $2500 and will blow away this projector. Now if what you want is lots of brightness in a non light control room, sure go for the Epson. There is no need to enter into wild claims like you just did about the Epson color...is no match for the JVC, that is a fact.
@@yepyep111 I use my projector exclusively for movies...by the time I need to change a bulb I have watched a LOT of them...hardly a big deal. I rather swap a bulb every few years while enjoying superior contrast, black level and overall image quality than watching a less impressive image just because I dont have to "worry" about lamp hours. ;) I guess our priorities are very different...
I only have a 16:9 screen but I can definitely mess with it. I’ll reach out to some screen providers too and see what they have 2:35.1 to test. Hope you like the channel and subscribe!
@@thedaingeon the panamorphic lens is an accesory sold separately? Or it’s not necesary and i could use the projector with the Lens included on a 2:35:1 screen?
@@sinsatec-mircom7853 Aspect setting on the projector includes: Auto, Full, Zoom, Anamorphic wide, Horiz. Squeeze. Anamorphic wide displays images that have 2.40:1 when using anamorphic lens just have to set the signal to overscan to off or it won’t display correct
@@sinsatec-mircom7853 with Lens Memory, you don't need a special lens. The projector includes black bars above and below to fill in the areas that would be seen in a 16:9 image. If your floor/ceiling is dark colored, you likely will never notice the black bars, if the brightness and contrast are set correctly. I have 2 lens memories set up on mine, one for 2.35:1, and one for 16:9.
"It's not true native 4K." It actually is "true 4K" since it truly shows all 8.3 million pixels of the 4K video. It is simply not "native 4K" because the panels are only 1080 and are shifting 4x in order to show those 8.3 million pixels.
@@mckracken8314 It shows all 8.3 million pixels via 4x shifting. The quadrants are blinking at different times, but even a native panel blinks, only all together all at once.
Once you’ve installed the firmware - the screen looks razor sharp - you can’t even see any screen door when you stand couple of feet away from the screen - getting the focus right takes patience but once you hit that sweet spot - the clarity is wonderful - I just can’t imagine the JVCs doing leaps and bounds better than this - you’re getting a true 4K screen at $5K - without all the fan noise, with the lumen output, the 30lb weight, inky blacks, the HDMI 2.1 with eARC - this is a bad boy - who cares how the 4K is generated - this unit is a beauty
@@sdeb82 I really like Epson, had the 5030UB for years. I just WISH they used reflective LCD in the LS12000, it would have been so much better with LS10500 blacks.
It’s basically 1080p chip with pixel shifting at its best. It’s not a 4k chip but the hdmi board passes 4k signals activating the 4k shifted image. Hopefully that sort of makes sense. End result is a damn good image
It is massive that's for sure! but I cannot live without laser, 4k 120hz, lens shift, power lens cover etc etc. it really knocks everything else out of the park at that price. Hope you like and sub!
I just received the LS12000. I had an Epson 5040UB and was very pleased with the picture. But man, the LS 12000 is on a completely higher level. What a picture and the colors just pop. And, not like the 5040UB, there is no noise at all at 75% brightness; this is with me sitting directly under it.
It really is impressive. I stare at some of the Netflix content and I’m still blown away. Disc is even better somehow! Hope you consider subscribing to the channel
Finally a review with someone really talking about black levels. That is what I wanted to know about since it’s laser. I’ve been on the fence with this because of not knowing how good the black levels would be. Thanks for taking the time to do this video.
You’re very welcome and I appreciate your nice comment. Hope you like and subscribe!
Would invest in this but i would have liked it if Epson had 3D support in it! That's really a deal breaker for me but otherwise looks badass!!!
Thank you so much, I am shopping for a new projector and considering this one or the JVC NZ3. I am confused onto which one to get, can you help? I am also looking at the new epson QB1000 but that isnt out in my region yet.
Excellent review! I see Paulsons AV! I am in SE Michigan as well!
Just subbed to your channel fellow Michigander! Thanks for the kind words. I love Paulsons, such a great toy store for adults.
I just looked at it and wow I was shocked what a good picture. I can’t tell if this supports Dolby Vision. Does not look like epson kept 3D support.
No dolby vision or 3D unfortunately but I agree the picture looks amazing and HDR10+ content really helps. Please like and subscribe and thanks for the comment!
Have you noticed any screen door pixel effect in any of the movies you have watched on this one?
Excited to watch this video, still waiting on my LS12000.
Hope you like it and if you’re interested in more please sub and I’ll show some comparisons and other requests. It really is an awesome projector
@@thedaingeon How long ago did you get yours? I'm in Michigan as well and have had it on order for a month or two, just wondering what your experience was like?
@@BoyceTheChoice Best Buy delayed my order 4 times (March to July) finally I cancelled my order and picked one up from Paulson’s in Farmington Hills. They had several in stock. If you’re in Michigan I would give them a call as they might be able to get you one right away.
Have you found any setting that improves the black levels? I have a 12000 and run it around 60% laser level and still find the black levels to be meh. Thanks!
Like many commenting here, I am awaiting my LS12000 to arrive. I have a quick question. You stated that you were using two 8k hdmi cables for your longer run. How do you have your equipment plugged into the HDMI 1 and HDMI Earc? Is everything going into your Denon, or are you going directly into your Epson from say your XBox and then into the receiver? The cables have a source and display direction...i am curious as to which direction they might be going?
My Xbox series X runs using one of the 8K cables directly to the Epson HDMI 1 port. All other devices including my PS5 run through the Denon X4700H AVR in to HDMI 2 on the Epson. If I want to connect the Xbox Series X audio through my 5.2.4 setup I just turn on ARC on the Denon and Earc on the Epson and change the denon to "TV Audio". Feel free to post your questions to the LS12000 owners group facebook page. Also please like and subscribe to the videos if you can!
@@thedaingeon Thank you! I will add the FB page and I really appreciate your response. Thanks for the great videos!
What is the best 133 inch screen for this projector?
Is there a big difference in brightness compare those Benq projectors?
Not that I’ve noticed no. The BenQ x3000i is just as bright and claims it has higher ansi lumens, but the one thing I noticed is the Epson has better overall black levels. Hope you like and sub!
Great review, nicely done! + sub!
Hey can you suggest me between epson ls 12000 or benq x3000i for great picture quality to watch movies??
LS12000 hands down. Better black levels, contrast and light source.
@@thedaingeon hey thank you for the reply can you answer one more for living room which is better? X3000i Or epson ls12000??
@@user-bi1 LS12000 is still the better unit. Just make sure you get an Alr screen if you have a lot of ambient light or daylight. The x3000i works great in day light too but it has to be perfectly placed in the room to take full benefit and that is hard to do because of the offset
@@thedaingeon amazing man thanks for the detailed explanation
hey that was a good presentation, I wish you all the luck for your youtube channel.
Thanks Manish! Hope you and your friends can like and subscribe! Also please let me know if you want to see videos of any other features the Epson has to offer
@@thedaingeon I will surely , I just bought myself a tw 750(low budget) and amd suggesting the same to my friends also confused between the 750 with the 740 , never considered a benq , so I've always wondered what would be a good benq against them epsons so dare I suggested a video for the average Joe?
Thoughts on adding a HDfury vroom and this projector?
That would be a great combination allowing you to take advantage of all of the 4K 120hz devices out there. It’s just very expensive and does not seem to go on sale. Did you check out my Hdfury Vertex video? That should give you an idea of the work involved. Hope you like and sub!
@@thedaingeon I’ll go check it out. Thank you!
Which true 4k projector would you recommend that has great black levels?
What is your price range? The new JVC and Sony laser projectors have the best black levels but Epson LS12000B is next best and WAY more affordable
@thedaingeon i am wondering why epson still cannot offer true 4k at this price point while benq and even chinese brands like xgimi can at lower price points. My eyes are used to OLED TV so black levels are very important to me. I saw a youtube review showing the difference between benq tk700sti and epson 5050ub. The difference between pixel shift and true 4k is significant up close. In actual use, are you able to see difference?
To answer your question, my budget is 5000 usd max
Good review, wish there was more movie shots with blacks shown.
What movie would you like to see? I can do a short clip or something if you want
Those are not the dimensions; those are the dimensions of the packaging.
Projector, including feet (excluding cable cover)
20.5" x 17.6" x 7.6"
Weight: 28.0 lb
Packaging: 27.8" x 21.9" x 16.0"
Weight: 50.8 lb
Just received this projector. Does your projector have a humming/buzzing noise? When changing inputs the buzzing stops and then starts again when video is projected. Upon first look at your setting vs mine they are the same. It is very distracting when scenes are not loud and projector is buzzing. I have looked to see if any could be causing it (cable, mount, etc) and also checked firmware.
Yes it does have a slight buzz that comes from the speakers when switching to HDR. I have been monitoring it and it does it during most content I watch. I am not certain what it is exactly that’s causing it (hdmi cable, receiver, certain settings)
Thanks for the quick reply. Mine is coming directly from the projector and not the speakers. When just the image is displayed no audio. Just wondering if it’s defective unit.
@@chrisarmstrong2976 I’ll listen closely to mine today and see if it also has a buzz from the projector itself. Hope you can subscribe and like the videos. Let me know if you want me to focus on something in particular
FYI Epson replaced our unit due to it being defective. Thanks for the info! The new unit is much quieter and sounds how I expected.
You may have a ground loop issue. I had the same issue when I first got mine. Using an isobar surge protector will resolve it
Oh please, on a completely black room (as it should be for high end projectors) the Sony and specially the JVCs run circles around the LS12000 in terms of native contrast ratio. Now in your room with those white walls no wonder you think it can match a JVC since that setup is hurting the projector's contrast ratio.
Its a good projector but is no match for a JVC including previous gens like the RS640, 540 etc.
True, I definitely need to paint my walls black etc. Can’t beat the price though
Not everyone wants to sit in a black hole. And there is more to a visual image than just black level. Epson 12000 has great black levels, especially for the price. Epson has better color and brightness (pop) than JVC in it's price class. Not everyone can pay $10000 for a projector.
I agree with D Lewis, and let's not forget one of the biggest attractions is it's not bulb based like the 640/540. Laser sealed the deal with me. Something liberating about watching a movie w/o worrying about adding hours to the bulb.
@@dlewis1933 Sure not everyone can do a complete light control room and in that case getting a projector like a JVC would be wasting what it can do. Black levels and contrast ARE the keys to an image that is clearly better if everything else is good. Epson has better color hahahah now that is spoken as a true fanboy. Come on mate, lets be real here...JVC are the pinnacle of consumer level projectors, there is ZERO arguing about that. I am not saying the Epson is bad, but the "stands up to JVC and Sony" from the video is a very misleading comment because on a proper room the differences are BIG. You can actually buy a used RS540 or 640 for less than $2500 and will blow away this projector. Now if what you want is lots of brightness in a non light control room, sure go for the Epson.
There is no need to enter into wild claims like you just did about the Epson color...is no match for the JVC, that is a fact.
@@yepyep111 I use my projector exclusively for movies...by the time I need to change a bulb I have watched a LOT of them...hardly a big deal. I rather swap a bulb every few years while enjoying superior contrast, black level and overall image quality than watching a less impressive image just because I dont have to "worry" about lamp hours. ;) I guess our priorities are very different...
Would it be possible to do a video om setting up for different aspect rations eg lens memory for 2:35.1
I only have a 16:9 screen but I can definitely mess with it. I’ll reach out to some screen providers too and see what they have 2:35.1 to test. Hope you like the channel and subscribe!
Do you need 2 hdmi 2.1 cables to run it?
No just one! But i run a few devices so I chose to use two. Hope you like and sub!
Is 2:35:1 screen compatible? It has Lens memory?
Yes indeed it has the panamorphic lens capability if you attach it. Hope you like and subscribe!
@@thedaingeon the panamorphic lens is an accesory sold separately? Or it’s not necesary and i could use the projector with the Lens included on a 2:35:1 screen?
@@sinsatec-mircom7853 Aspect setting on the projector includes: Auto, Full, Zoom, Anamorphic wide, Horiz. Squeeze. Anamorphic wide displays images that have 2.40:1 when using anamorphic lens just have to set the signal to overscan to off or it won’t display correct
@@sinsatec-mircom7853 with Lens Memory, you don't need a special lens. The projector includes black bars above and below to fill in the areas that would be seen in a 16:9 image. If your floor/ceiling is dark colored, you likely will never notice the black bars, if the brightness and contrast are set correctly. I have 2 lens memories set up on mine, one for 2.35:1, and one for 16:9.
No 3D is a no go for me. Other than no 3D this projector is perfectttt
Maybe they will add it to the next model in a year or so? If so ill be sure to review it. Like and sub if you can please!
how big of a screen does this one project
Depends on how far away you put the projector. To see the optimal distance, size and lumens check out projectorcentral.com and use their calculator
"It's not true native 4K." It actually is "true 4K" since it truly shows all 8.3 million pixels of the 4K video. It is simply not "native 4K" because the panels are only 1080 and are shifting 4x in order to show those 8.3 million pixels.
Yes you are correct!
No, It is not native 4k. it never shows 8,3 MP actual indidvidual pixels. its faking them (fooling your eyes aka. shifting) from 2MP....
@@mckracken8314 It shows all 8.3 million pixels via 4x shifting. The quadrants are blinking at different times, but even a native panel blinks, only all together all at once.
Once you’ve installed the firmware - the screen looks razor sharp - you can’t even see any screen door when you stand couple of feet away from the screen - getting the focus right takes patience but once you hit that sweet spot - the clarity is wonderful - I just can’t imagine the JVCs doing leaps and bounds better than this - you’re getting a true 4K screen at $5K - without all the fan noise, with the lumen output, the 30lb weight, inky blacks, the HDMI 2.1 with eARC - this is a bad boy - who cares how the 4K is generated - this unit is a beauty
@@sdeb82 I really like Epson, had the 5030UB for years. I just WISH they used reflective LCD in the LS12000, it would have been so much better with LS10500 blacks.
I like it is a little to hight priced for me and there is no 3D it if had 3D maybe I could save up for a few years and get it.
Picture not as sharp as the new Sonys. You will notice if you have a large screen
Wish I could get them to send me some units to test. I love Sony stuff. Hope you like and subscribe!
how can it not be real 4k if it have 2.1 hdmi??
It’s basically 1080p chip with pixel shifting at its best. It’s not a 4k chip but the hdmi board passes 4k signals activating the 4k shifted image. Hopefully that sort of makes sense. End result is a damn good image
No 3D = No Deal
Wish they would reduce the overall size of this projector, its too big!!!
It is massive that's for sure! but I cannot live without laser, 4k 120hz, lens shift, power lens cover etc etc. it really knocks everything else out of the park at that price. Hope you like and sub!
Too bad it doesn’t support 3D, makes it a non starter for me.
No 3d so Absolutely no. I am buying the 9400
Still a great choice with the 9400. Hope you enjoy it! Make sure you like and sub for more
@@thedaingeon Thanks
No 3D, no buy. I have over 200 movies in 3d. What a shame.
It is a shame yes but dont give up hope that their next model in a couple years may have it added back in! Hope you can like and sub for more!
I'm so happy it doesn't have 3D because it means I'm not paying extra for a feature I'll never use.
How are you going to hook me up with those movies?
No 3D don't care
Ich kauf mir nie wieder ein epson, mit dem tw7200 nur Staub Probleme, so viel Staub, man konnte gar nichts mehr schauen. geh mir weg mit dem Schrott