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We counted them out. We said they were done. We thought their time at the top was over. But once again, the United States, osu standard's greatest team of all time, have once again won the osu World Cup. With their win at the 2022 osu World Cup, it marks their 5th OWC win in a row, and their 7th in the last 8 years. But this shouldn't have happened. The 2022 osu World Cup was by far the most chaotic OWC to date. This was exemplified when South Korea defeated the United States in the semifinals and ended the longest match winning streak of all time. This semifinals loss should've marked the end of an era. The United States were one loss away from elimination, which would've ended the longest 1st place streak in OWC history. Now they had to make it through the finals and grand finals of the osu World Cup without losing a single match if they wanted to win. But at the end of it all, they once again found a way to make it out on top. Everything was against them. They had to fight the negative narratives and the increased pressure of the moment. And once again, we were met with the same outcome we are all too familiar with. But this time feels different. And that's because the United States should have never won the osu World Cup 2022.
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Wonder how long the US can go before their win streak ends
Like 3 years or 5 more sadly
@@fakertazer2911 if shige joins tbh, they could do it but since he dont like korea there's no way, or until mrekk can carry his 4 man team in the tournament
@@isuck6049 shige is too old for this game TO BE HONEST
@@mercix_vt 💀
@@mercix_vt he’s def not too old for tournament stuff, it’s not like he’s trying to set pp record, just be consistent on weird maps, low AR HD, etc. he’s super insane at consistency so it’d be entirely unsurprising if he was really good at tournaments
Personally I think the complacency in the US will catch up, they’ll lose one year because they’re basically putting forth their C team (not that they’re bad, just that the US has so many insane players) then the A team will come back and go back to crushing
Can't wait for that "The United States Should Have Never Won The 2023 osu! World Cup" video.
8:42 "Karcher karched all over them"
I was silent the whole video dude
The US be like we're not done yet they start laughing
People may complain about United States being dominant in owc, but at least it's not as bad as Japan in taiko world cup lol.
A japanese player could be rank 7 on global ranking and they still wouldn’t be in the top 10 on JP country rankings
facts they are impossible to beat, there shouldn't even be a world cup for taiko at this point XD
Or SK in 7K MWC lol
@@yamiru3417 I believe in the upset sometime in the next decade 🙏
@@Qisth75 lmao that didn t age too well, huh
my favorite part was when karcher said its karching time and karched all over the place
going into GF i was thinking that USA has a much higher skill ceiling, giving them the advantage in a harder mappool. SK couldn't keep up with maps inching closer towards 8* but they do incredibly well on anything within their range
The longer the US' victory streak goes on, the more hype their actual loss will become
they can lose once and win 5 times in a row again
The spirit of USA 2019 possessed every player from the USA 2022 to instantly break the hope of everyone of winning the tournament
thats really what it looked like tho lol
Once FlyingTuna comes back, it's gonna be so much more interesting. Although, i wonder what kind of team both will bring in 2023, especially USA. Vaxei is probably back to osu again!
Karcher is going to military next year
Vaxei return copium
@@abblabaabblaba823 i like to hope that he somehow postpone his military service again, since he had done it before
I dont think vaxei is gonna comeback on any long term basis pretty much ever again.
Flyingtuna would have to derust insanely if he wants to play well, since he only has like 3 months before it starts, karcher is going to the military, and shige (even in his ultimate prime form at that point) probably will still not join owc
such a polarizing end for this owc, on one hand i am sick and tired of seeing another owc going to the usa once more, but at the same time i feel bad for the usa team and all of the negativity they have to deal with, at this point i don't even know if i look forward for next owc after how things went in this year's cup. i'm just going to hope that next year someone else like south korea or germany can take the cup instead.
its really depending on if either whitecat and the rest of the germany team plays hard throughout the year, korea if they could somehow get shige onto the team, poland if they get another prodigy, or canada just getting better as a team overall
its based ik, but feel free to comment your opinion on how u could try to make the teams better tbh
@@isuck6049 xooty with a higher skill ceiling is the scariest thought for tournament players
FREEDOM USA USA USA 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🦅🦅🦅🦅
@@keeloman6085 yeah but her demotivation to play a few months ago kinda costed canada to get taken out early tbh
What do you mean the US shouldn’t have won. They’re clearly the better team. They lost maps to the lower seeds when half their team was sick or hungover. They lost in tb, when sk put on a godlike unexpected performance. And now when they actually start taking it seriously, they destroy the entire competition. It was quite predictable
thanks for having common sense
title should really be something like "under all the pressure, USA still won" instead of "should have never won" which makes it seem like something fishy happened during OWC. maybe u done it for the clickbait idk but it paints the US team in a negative light. I think that this OWC highlights how great the US team is even without Vaxei and people should congratulate the team for winning even though they got sent to loser's bracket. Like another comment in this video said, only the best win and in this OWC, USA was the best.
What’s the issue with a team being dominant. I understand everyone wants their country to win but in the end only the best come out on top.
no issue just usa winning every year can get boring
@@wjjxkskqkw not for everyone as the video suggests
@@juanacosta4351 what
Imagine a country winning a tournament over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over- ok, fuck it, winning literally every year. It'll just make tournament look boring when you know the winner even before the beginning
@@wjjxkskqkw I understand how some people find it boring but it’s dumb that literally everyone is hating on the us because they are winning. Tbh they should just accept the skill issue
Excellent video as always!
I think it's hard to stress just how much people were hyping up Poland (with Maliszewski's insane consistency) and SK (Karcher and worst HR player) to be the teams of the tournament, with how dominantly they were winning their early games, when the US wasn't (as pointed out against Israel and HK in the video). So many people also though that having no Vaxei would be their downfall, which is easy to say when you look at how standout he was in the past few years.
My take on it is that the US just difficulty gaps every other team. In the earlier rounds, when the star rating of the maps is lower and at a range that more players will find comfortable, we're much more likely to see map upsets like we did. As it gets further into the tournament, the depth and just overall skill ceiling of the US team is too great compared to any other team, so they only seem to get better as the star ratings of the maps increase. Hopefully next year we might see other teams with a comparable depth that can give them a run for their money!
I'm from the Philippines, but I support the US to win. Not just because it's a safe bet, but rather because of their dominance. I like how they're able to put up so many different rosters and still can come out on top. As for our country's team, I am also happy that they're improving and I support them too. Nothing said that it's illegal to support two teams. Whether the ones I support win or not, I am contented and happy as long as they played to their fullest and had fun in the tournament. That's what all matters.
Stop the negative toxicity the US all gets. The players worked hard for their skill level, denying them that win and hating them for being good is just outright insanity. You guys need to check if you have a problem in your head. That crab mentality is just annoying.
I mean it also can't hurt that the best two biggest star players in the history of the OWC team (Outside of Idke) were Filipino Americans
Did you know our team is 3/8 filipino
@@utamiiosu6739 Apart from you, idk about the others. Or maybe I forgot
cope and seethe
USA USA USA USA
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USATEI USATEI USATEI USATEI
this comments section has to have some of the most controversial comments over a video game, I've seen comments of just blatant hate for various countries lol, if a team wins, they win, there's not much more to it. stop being so sensitive about a videogame about clicking circles, people play it for fun, not to be shunned or hated based on tournament performances. GG USA, from a supporter of team Canada!
Man! The amount of effort you put into your videos, the quality, the joy of watching them. Like, bro, editing of this video is just stunning! I think you are undoubtedly the best osu youtuber ever! Great job and keep up with the work!
I don't know how you do it but your videos are not only informative and entertaining but you manage to cover all the different kinds of opinions and viewpoints the audience might have. All my questions and thoughts had an answer and each of your videos has become a pleasure to watch in recent times. Keep going because I, and I'm sure a lot of other people, are really enjoying it
USA is just kicking these kids United, even after having to face the losers bracket
OWC 2023 will be wild, trust me
they kicked the kids, united 😓
Silicosis mwc when
i feel bad for us being boo'd by everybody
when the USA was sent to the losers bracket and everyone started celebrating
I said "Why ya'll celebrating now, the job isn't finished lol"
They forgot that the United States is the best team in the world because of their late bracket skill cap not because of their early consistency 💀
In fairness, the USA in previous years was both early consistency and lategame powerhouse, but due to the improvement of everyone around them they've had to shelve the front half of that. The USA weren't scary because of their lategame; they were scary because they were guarenteed t get there. With that no longer being a guarentee, OWC is more interesting and the USA feels like they're earning their spot at the top more and more, frankly a win win situation
A little bit more power in Poland and it would do so much more in OWC
Wubwoofwolf derusting could literally make a big difference, but sadly ever since 2018, its been just score farming
@@isuck6049 WWW is a good player but ppl gotta accept the fact that the map pool is just harder and WWW wouldnt be as good as he was back then(even if he did not score farm).
He's still a legendary player but not in terms of high SR maps we have today, and i think he's still a strong pick in other type of tournaments
I think it's a lot more than just a little bit more power. They were not a team. They were a one-man rocket ship named Maliszewski and the ship ran out of gas
@@whenisdinner2137 imo ppl like mastasz and rafis are strong enough but yeah malisz is top
I like the storytelling of this video. It seems like a rant but I think its just a representation of the negative narratives that the US was facing and still managed to win despite that. The ending at 14:05 hammers home this point.
I think that was where he was going too, but it still makes me kind of irritated, because it just seems like he’s overly exaggerating people’s thoughts over the US’s win streak. I’ve watched OWC for a few years now, and i’m fairly active in the community, and rarely (maybe never) have I ever seen someone complain about the US winning. The people on that team put as much effort into practicing and playing just like every other country, so the title of this video is him downright disregarding their effort and skill, which is also severely disrespectful, even if it was a complete exaggeration.
It's really nice to see the US show cracks in the earlier stages but they scale so hard into the grand finals when the difficulty of the skillsets becomes almost absurd except for those who really specialize
japan is winning twc in 9 years in a row now thats more bweh
It’s not surprising given the taiko community in Japan is far more dedicated than any other country. Despite only having ~500k active players they have ~40% more play count than the US (second highest) with 1.5m players
fr, cant wait for them to somehow win next year too
good music throughout the video, clean !!
good stuff as always, sunnyv2 of the osu community fr
Why did you say we all wanted them to lose? Respectfully I don’t care if they won the last 4 in a row prior to this, I want them to win every single time I don’t get bored of seeing the same people at the top if they deserve to be there.
Yeah same, a match is still content even if the team has won 4 tournaments in a row
I agree. Acting like Americans want their team to lose just because they keep winning is the dumbest thing imaginable.
it's always nice to see other countries winning, everyone loves an underdog story
@@moosen1262 you act like US isnt an underdog back in the early days of osu?
@@moosen1262 No. Not always, because many people like to see the constant development of the US team and every time with a smile on their face they are surprised that they are still the best national team in history, able to get out of any shit and maintain their abilities even when the osu community starts to hate them for it . They just laugh in the face of offended fans, proving their dominance in the arena (for many viewers, this is a real pleasure :)
the better team wins, end of story
all players have their good and bad days
This owc was kind exciting for me. Can't wait for the next one.
Is this a jxmyhighroller video reference
shoutout jxmyhighroller
Thats a bold title nerdiness
Great video, I have nothing but respect for all OWC teams, including USA for powering through the hate and doubt and losses. OWC 2022 was truly a deserved win for them, regardless of previous OWCs
Not gonna lie Tekkito became the Clutch man for USA when Vaxei left. when they need that most he stepped up Finals Tiebreaker, Grand finals last 2 maps of 2021.
i think that this year's OWC has proven that above all else, a USA team with a chip on their shoulder is fucking terrifying
The last time we saw the United States look actually pissed was 2019
I’m still happy they won!
I wonder what happened if vaxei came back and to celebrate the USA would just tryhard owc 2023 kinda like 2019. More interestingly is what would happen if an underdog team like Indonesia or Romania would do the same.
To kick the us out they need to be put against other favourites in early stages, cause on later mappools they will always be favored.
Oh this aged well for this year OWC lol
10:42 WhiteCat with a near SS 1x 100. POG
never thought i'd see myself in a random recommended video
This feels an awful lot like the JxmyHighroller video on the 2022 warriors nba championship. weird comparison but similar style.
I called it that they would win either a lower bracket run of their life. USA FOREVER BABY WOOOOOOOO
Mrekk needs a better team and I can easily see US losing
US really pulled a Gus Fringe "Hahaha... I was acting" move
Wasn't it Anton Castillo
every year since 2020 they have had almost a full roster of rookies so not to be that guy but USA just has so much more talent than any other region, and the last 2 OWCS have proven that
We want History and Story of Romania on OWC
its insane how usa keep doing this, but i feel like next year is the year we finally get to see a new champion ngl
Yeah we say that since 2017
Surely next year
You've been saying that literally every year since 2018. UK is so close, Germany is so close, South Korea is so close, what's next?
@@whenisdinner2137 Kazakhstan sweep next year😎
@@jadendobbs the best timeline
Other games: We are waiting for this team to win
Osu community: Man, I wish US lost for once... still waiting for that day
they can lose for once and win 5 times in a row (OWC 2017 fueled their rage)
welp... i guess it kinda fun to see US get in the loser bracket... rather than having one sided fight the entire tournament
remember anything could happen.
I just want to see how far USA can take this owc win streak.
nice video ^^
can someone tell me the name of the music at 12:50 ? thanks :)
they might repeat what happened in 2022
They really thought 🤣
10:42 is why Germany didn't stood a chance this year
USA supporter for life. I don't care if it's blind patriotism/nationalism (over a circle-clicking game of all things, LOL), might even be out of pity because almost everyone else is spiteful of them, but I'll always cheer for the States.
Dw man, nothing wrong with cheering for your country’s team. Despite what this video says, there are people standing with you cheering for the kings of the hill
@@finadoggie W
the US is like that one horse that keeps winning, and so you keep putting your bets on it
one day the US will tumble
Alternative title: Bashing my own country men for being too good at clicking circles to a point where its unfair.
GG!
It will def end at one point, some strong player might emerge, just look in osu mania 7k world cup, sk is dominating on that but got destroyed recently by the philippines
imagine the day where USA literally not winning in OWC
this community going crazy if that happened lmao
this is actually like when ICLY loses 5 points, THEN says "glhf" which is scary as fuck
If vaxei comes back then everyone done
1:04 he's actually desperate for help
Y'all can hate USA but they have shown every single year that they are a dominant team, even with new players every single time.
thats what people should know when they say "SK would never lose when military service doesn't exist" the point is SK doesn't have that much good players compared to US not even Russia can match it
Right now the United States might seem like an unbeatable force, however, I think that they can be beaten. Their roster has a heavy focus on consistency, and it is why they have been winning so much, along with a deep player pool for specific odd picks. It would be difficult, but I believe the way to win is to beat them at their own strategy. there are a couple of standout players, that I believe could beat the United States their own game. I know for a fact that Xootynator’s consistency in tournament has been actually fucking nutty, and maybe Canada could build a team with that, and there were several other players that were playing consistently this year as well. (although I gotta be honest, I paid a little bit less attention to them then I should.) the simple fact is, when a team is well-rounded and consistent enough, they have a better shot at beating them. This means better acc and holding combos longer. it’s very difficult to pick players with performance like that, especially in tournament when nerves are a factor. It’s also not like the other teams aren’t trying to do this, you can see that clearly they are, but the United States is just better at it right now for whatever reason. And that might come down to their “training regimen” (if they have one.), we can speculate what that entails, but we might never know.
The thing is, the US just has too much of osu's overall playerbase, so it's natural to have more insane players.
I think that the way to beat countries like the United States is to abuse gimmick picks and have multiple traps in your map pool. When your team qualifies, their performances are comparatively rated. Therefore teams can counter-strat using their picks and bans.
If your team will qualify, what dissuades you from throwing two maps as trap picks? Teams don't do this: their performances when qualifying is generally reflective on how their lineups play certain maps. Having trap picks gives you more ban and pick options. But it needs realism: Russia will never be bad at a speed pick so even if they're suddenly "bad" on it teams won't choose it anyway. But what if it's Nomod where Russia puts a subpar performance in? You can't presume then that they trolled it. Basically:
- Throw two maps, preferably in the mod that your team isn't good at
- If these two maps play a certain way, e.g. tech, ban this type of map against teams that you won't need the pick in anyway.
- When you're against teams where you might want to use them, let them through and instead of banning picks you don't like, ban a pick they'd like instead. If they'd like the map you'd ban, let it through, ban something else.
If the team has been playing to their standards then it throws the validity of what they're good at into obscurity. How can u pick tech into a team that used to ban it but they've beat u by a margin on it? Teams can get better but when they're banning it for the whole tourney and let it through and do good on it it's not them getting better. I would have two picks that are trap picks, good number to have.
When it comes to gimmick not really long to explain. Have good players for gimmick maps. Play primarily gimmick maps. Your carry needs to play and be consistent at the gimmick picks your team will take and the consistent ones that the States will use. Maybe a trap here too. But you really need to practice and win gimmick picks if you want to rely on it and having bait picks.
@@ongyouki i guess people like to go for "consistency strategies" over big brain trap setting. I mean imagine you drop the ball on 1 or 2 picks, suddenly your team isn't 2nd or 3rd in qualifier, but suddenly gets 8th or 9th in qualifier. Instead of a relatively easy bracket, you gotta face tough opponnets - instead of facing the usa in finals, you have to face them in quarterfinals. Let's be real, The year Canada got their podium finish, they did not look good on the finals and grand finals pool. If they didn t have the luxury of having seed 2, they would likely have been eliminated by any of the teams in the losers bracket in finals weekend. So why should canada have thrown their shot at podium for that?
I mean why should a team like south korea botch their qualifier seed in order to face usa or germany in quarters, when they can have teams like russia or romania instead?
Apart from the fact that tougher opponents = u give up more points, so you are easier to scout out. This can easily backfire, and "fixing scores" to make u look weaker can also go wrong.
Granted for me it looks like germany kinda always looks like "we just play as good as we need to to win". They normally take a relatively low seed compared to their final placing.
They do not have that many "top scores of the week", but still win their maps regardless. Taiwan feels very similar to that on a lower level of "we play just as good as necessary".
as an us dude i am just tired now
i wonder if there is osu! esport championship....
POV when you get to the second stage of the final boss
W already
if military service wasnt mandatory in south korea SK would never lose owc
No they would still lose because vaxei wouldn't feel the need to retire because of lack of competition
@@whenisdinner2137 vaxie isnt beating karcher, WHRP, flying tuna and possibly cookie though
as a American, I see this as a absolute win
why does this exist
Yo nerdiness do you watch jxmy high roller?
Vaxie is back so us is even stronger
I knew they would win no matter what, SK win was a fluke
Meanwhile mwc 7k is just koreans for almost a decade
didnt like multiple us players have covid?
If you want to get mad at something, then get mad to japan in twc, theyre dominating that since the twc started, theyre in 10 title winning streak in a row
5:57 no breakpoint in owc 2021?
Crazy owc
Y'know, we can make a story - dare I say an anime - from this:
A team that was praised for being the first non-(insert fictional nationality or something) to win a tournament of a game, but years of winning made the game boring and it threatens to actually shut the tournament down because they're simply too strong; they need new competitors
no vaxei? 😥
no vaxei idc
if vaxei then i care about the US
if vaxei doesn't return in 2023 owc then tuna will and i think SK might have a word with the US again although karcher is going to military and he's very important to SK team
i wanna see vaxei Play OWC again
You say “we wrote them off we said they were done” as a believer the demons will conquer forever 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
"Karcher, karched all over them"
The US got a wake-up call when they lost to South Korea. They've been getting complacent, that's for sure. They're too comfortable on the throne, so they started taking things seriouslywhen they lost. That's at least my assumption. I'd like to see another winner sooner rather than later, but I still wonder just how long their reign can go on. Hopefully things change this year, but we can't truly know.
ehh, hello 2023....
So much care... So much matter
i know nothing about osu but i liked this video
Yes they should’ve won it. They worked harder, grindered more, played more consistently, and made the plays when it mattered. As simple as that really
I don't want 2022 repeat itself...
and i want it to prove that FlyingTuna is not the key for SK to win because it’s a TEAM COMPETITION
Hey uhm, i dont like whats happening atm
Yikes...
if anyone wants to win against usa practice like they do just get gooder
U S A U S A U S A U S A. nah but fr tho pls stop them someone
What a lot of people don't realize right now is that the USA could make the strongest team that they have ever had in existence if they took the top eight players right now for the USA. Just to put it in perspective even in 2019 they were still three digit players on the team for the USA. If you were to take the top eight for the USA as of this current moment we would have eight players in the top 50. Just other teams hearing that there are eight players in the top 50 on one team would immediately put fear into them. The USA doesn't form the best team they can every year, they don't want to make it boring. They don't want to make it well the USA is going to win they want to make it who will the USA lose to.
A lot of people don't understand that the USA even though they are the strongest country in the world for the game as of this current moment are still growing at a faster rate than any other country. The USA is improving faster than every other country because it's the most competitive country and has the largest player base
Rank doesn't directly translates to tournament skill tbf. Sure, a 5 digit cannot keep up, but there are 3 digit players that can 1v1 most of the top 50 and win
They really don't understand that the United States has been nerfing themselves every year since 2019 💀
@@juanacosta4351 this is true but the United States has still been nerfing themselves since 2019
Most of the USA players in the top 50 are speed farmers. This isn’t bad, but a lot of them haven’t shown particular skill depth for tournaments. USA even has a tournament to get picked for the USA OWC team and many people don’t get picked on purpose for people of lower rank who are way better in tournament play.
2:00 damn what is this song? i love it
It sounds like some Celeste OST but I don’t think it actually is.