As a long time Helix Floor user the most common thing that makes me eye wander to different units every now and then (Quad Cortex mainly) is a curiosity around the potential upgrade in accuracy and feel of amp captures over amp models. This little thing seems like a no brainer to bring captures to your Helix signal chain. Would be interested to see your take on ToneX One combined with HX Stomp or HX Floor.
A ton of people are asking the question you pose.... "Can this be a great overdrive source for a ton of modelers that may have great effects but mediocre OD tones, which really spans all the old stuff too that just didn't have top OD tones. Intriguing for sure.
Steve...I do honestly believe this is a game changer. Even I am surprised how good tone x feels to play. HX stomp and this in the loop....or like you said use a few pedals with it .. gig bag size rig that actually feels and sounds great.... I'm looking forward to seeing what you do with it in HX stomp 💯👍🏻😎
Thanks for the review/user guide. Mine is due next week. Hoping to use it with my HX Stomp. Would love to see a video of how you set yours up with the Stomp/Stomp XL. Thanks again.
Out the box the presets are decent…depending on how you’ll use it. I found 2 out the box clean and one with a bit more gain. Pair that with a delay and another tonex as your overdrive and your good! That’s how I use it.
I also have hx effects and was thinking about hooking it up with POD express, as there are a few amp simulation available. However I may get ToneX a go...
When the Mooer Radar was released, I loved that I could actually set it to have an "amp" in one pedal. That included the ir setup, but that Tonex One just hits a new level. I think this just makes a everything so much easier! One small pedal thrown in a gig bag set up like a two channel amp & ran into the pa system?! What?! Hell yeah!
"When the Mooer Radar was released, I loved that I could actually set it to have an "amp" in one pedal" How ? AFAIK there is only poweramp / cabsim/IR / GEQ in the Radar, no preamp / full amp sim/capture inside.
I think the TONEX plugins are great, specially the fact that you can bring in a Klon or any other pedal into your signal chain and now that it is available in a pedal platform. For the conventional pedal platform people it will be great!! Unfortunately I have moved “away” from the traditional pedal platform and use their plugins extensively in Amplitube. I will soon release a video of my live setup using Amplitube with three different Amps in one preset and switching between them seamlessly - Bogner clean, Marshall overdriven and then Hi-gain Soldano for an ultimate live setup! Each one having their own sets of pedals in front and then also in their fx loop and then racks/fx in the master bus!! All I use is a midi foot controller with 8 x buttons and two expression pedals (digital) ..can do almost any rig live with this setup !!
I love stereo amps lol. I play the big tone x thru the fx loop of the stomp, if I'm feeling fancy and want to do stereo amps, I split the signal in the stomp and use a modeler from the stomp on one side and the tone x on the other. This limits DSP but still have enough for a delay, a reverb and overdrive.
Awesome video man. The only improvement that I would surely welcome is a gate with downward extention multiband denoising- like the Bertom denoiser. Some of the high-gain Tone models are quiet with the current gate when not playing, but tend to allow a lot of noise and hiss through while playing. I've found the Bertom denoiser ridiculously helpful for in DAW studio recording, but when I play live with Tonex pedal I find room for improvement. Helix has a better gate imo. Outside of this aspect, Tonex is king!
It seems like a great value with a lot of features and downloadable sounds but as the owner of a helix LT and just a home player I'm not sure what it offers that I don't already have in the Helix along with the extra effects already there in the helix. I think amp modeling beyond that is something for a specific group of players and for the pros. It's great that it's out there but I'm not sure I would hear anything from it that I can't already put together in the helix.
@@WholeLottaBulldog I appreciate the feedback. It's not as easy as it seems to come up with a catchy and "clickable" title. It's not just about what we make of it or the quality of the video. It actually has a lot to do with how youtube pushes content and "chooses" what it wants to promote. If you look at all the tonex demos out today, regardless of channel size, some will perform better than others based on these factors alone.
@@SteveSterlacci good response; I understand what you're saying, and it makes sense. Its just fatiguing from a viewer's perspective. Good man for acknowledging the critique.
@WholeLottaBulldog I do welcome constructive feedback and especially viewers perspective. If it were up to me, title and thumbnail would mean significantly less. Then the content would be king vs having to strategize a way to make it "clickable". I promise that none of the guys I'm friends with that do this are ever out to deceive or shill for a buck. I wouldn't associate with that scene at all.
Pair it with a pod Express and you've got a fly rig that fits in each of your pockets I have an HX Stomp and a tonex pedal but I can't power them with batteries and I can't carry them in my pockets just turn off the amps on the Pod Express and use its four Drive pedals with a clean amp and a drive amp on the tonex one
Q: Is it possible that amp modeling is the future and amp/cabs manufacturers are obsolete - because there have been enough physical amps/cabs made, and all new amp/cab combos will be created in software? I say this as someone who wishes they did not recently buy a Marshall amp/cab.
@@mikedfurman Can you add why? With these modelers don't you only need a PA system? And with modeling you can create amps/cabs sounds a lot faster than building physical amps/cabs.
@@Houston123ABC I think both will have a place. Tube amps are still and really always will be the best way to experience music but you can’t always do that because of space and volume constraints. Digital solutions like a Suhr RL/IR or OxBox or a Fryette PS2 make large amps usable from silent to cranked. There’s a contraction in live amps but I think they’ll always hold on!
Maybe I'm missing something, but why would I want a profiler pedal? I'll be using other people sounds. I want to use a MarkIV sound, but tweaked my way, with the EQ in specific setup and the tone controls too. With a profiler I can't do that, I'm stuck with what other people captured, maybe more popular sounds for sure, but I wouldn't have the ability to tweak it my way. Am I missing something here?
Cool how small it is. Still the digital sound though. Having said that, like the pod express I'll prob get it. (sigh) I purchased the larger Tonex unit and sent back due to just too much digital fizz for the money, but could live with Tonex One at 180 bucks. Like the Pod Express and HX stomp for that matter, you make compromises and live with the tones/per buck. Not as good as my three real amps, but very convenient. One thing I have not seen in quite awhile......the blast of 'paid' TH-cam Tonex One vids from all the usual suspects. A LOT of them...Tonex is really pushing this. Lastly, I think it's a good thing to allow the musicians to sell the presets. Spread the wealth a bit. It seems very cool for it to be so small and do soooo much....except sound real.
No thanks... sounds 35-40 of real to me. Has that fake stacked on fake overlay sound, I assume it's much worse in person where the sound is so lacking the player says, "yeah, it 's missing that Amp in the room feel..." as they play through an amp... because it's missing something they can't measure, not the speakers moving in the room. All recording and modelers lack the full picture, if you like playing like that, it's fine...
@@haroldthan4948 The reason you lose that "amp in the room feel" is because the recording of a sound is only giving you part of what was there. See... we know this because all one has to do is watch someone play a modeler/whatever in a room, then say, (Sounds great if you can get past the AMP in the room issue) while they are playing through... a amp... Because it's not about speakers or the amp "moving air," that's happening with a FRFR speaker system... The sound you get "feels off" because if you play through analog you get used to more. You sitting here listening to a recording of an AMP will sound the same as a modeler because both are a recording, they both lack "something" that you would otherwise notice when sitting in the actual room. Go ahead... explain it away with more magical nonsense. All of these devices are great, I'm happy people have the tools... but it's like a record VS an CD VS an MP3... each one is a downgrade, but if you grew up with only MP3's you don't notice the loss. If you grew up with records you notice the loss. We see a clear divide between AMPed VS modeler players because it's a real thing. Neither matter when recorded but almost no one records... they play in the room. I bought a Ampeg "amp in a pedal" and the ACS1 amp in a pedal. I couldn't not figure out why I liked the Ampeg but the ACS1 was unplayable to me... I looked them up and what do you know, the Ampeg SGT Di is analog and the ACS1 is all digital. The Ampeg feels like an amp in the room, the ACS1 feels like I'm literally playing an MP3. --------- People are slowing (or quickly) getting used to lessor quality tones, but the trade off is access to near all the tones of amps and pedals, but just lower quality.
@@haroldthan4948 So this video came out about 2 hours ago, around 14-15 min in, they talk about what they think the difference between digital/analog is and how we perceive it. th-cam.com/video/VW3vLRivX6o/w-d-xo.html If your willing to listen to the other side, I found it's night and day. I find digital amp/distortion impossible to play... I just stop. I owned the Helix for a month and in that time I literally stopped playing any guitar. I didn't even know what "amp in the room" was. I just got the ACs1 and a SGT-DI (bass but play guitar through it) and I only play on the Ampeg SGT, I didn't even know it was analog... the ACS1 is all digital and it feels like (i believe as I stated) I'm playing an MP3.
Do you play or record guitar for a living? No one disagrees about a real tube amp in the room sounding better than anything, but the only people who really get to do that are either first call musicians or they’re very privileged in the working guitarists world. Those of us who make a living in playing & making music appreciate simple solutions that sound great.
@@Nickgiv My issue is that many of these products are being sold by "reviewers" on youtube, they're salesmen. About 5 years ago all over youtube were "reviewers" claiming that their Helix, Quad Cortex, Headrush, Amplitube, Positive grid ext were now their go to boards... at home and gigs. Fast forward a few years an you notice they still had their amps, their pedal boards and were doing videos on updates to their pedal boards that they gig with. My point is that these products do some thing really well, reverb/delay... outside of that... not so much. Does that mean you cant like them, nope... but the voice that does not keep saying things like, "we live in amazing time to be a guitarist" is important. I had a small Korg "Pandoras box" when I was about 14... I'm 42 now. The issue is that each time these products repackage themselves they sales pitch is always the same, but it's not always true...
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As a long time Helix Floor user the most common thing that makes me eye wander to different units every now and then (Quad Cortex mainly) is a curiosity around the potential upgrade in accuracy and feel of amp captures over amp models. This little thing seems like a no brainer to bring captures to your Helix signal chain.
Would be interested to see your take on ToneX One combined with HX Stomp or HX Floor.
A ton of people are asking the question you pose.... "Can this be a great overdrive source for a ton of modelers that may have great effects but mediocre OD tones, which really spans all the old stuff too that just didn't have top OD tones. Intriguing for sure.
Steve...I do honestly believe this is a game changer. Even I am surprised how good tone x feels to play. HX stomp and this in the loop....or like you said use a few pedals with it .. gig bag size rig that actually feels and sounds great.... I'm looking forward to seeing what you do with it in HX stomp 💯👍🏻😎
Tonex has once again shut down the competition.
rip line6, kemper, two notes, boss, walrus
Thanks for the review/user guide. Mine is due next week. Hoping to use it with my HX Stomp. Would love to see a video of how you set yours up with the Stomp/Stomp XL. Thanks again.
Bro that guitar is so nice!! Great video 🤘🤘
I cant wait to see what you do with this in stomp soon 💯👍🏻
Out the box the presets are decent…depending on how you’ll use it. I found 2 out the box clean and one with a bit more gain. Pair that with a delay and another tonex as your overdrive and your good! That’s how I use it.
Put the toneX into the loop of an hx effects... crazy combo!
Its happening!
I also have hx effects and was thinking about hooking it up with POD express, as there are a few amp simulation available. However I may get ToneX a go...
When the Mooer Radar was released, I loved that I could actually set it to have an "amp" in one pedal. That included the ir setup, but that Tonex One just hits a new level.
I think this just makes a everything so much easier! One small pedal thrown in a gig bag set up like a two channel amp & ran into the pa system?! What?! Hell yeah!
"When the Mooer Radar was released, I loved that I could actually set it to have an "amp" in one pedal"
How ? AFAIK there is only poweramp / cabsim/IR / GEQ in the Radar, no preamp / full amp sim/capture inside.
Looks very cool. Can't get any smaller than this and still be able to step on it!
Its an ideal size for sure!
“Do you really need stereo amps? Where are you playing?”
Classic.
sorry! LOL
@@SteveSterlacci That was an awesome quote!
@@mikejarman5151 just breaking balls! Lol
he plays in quadraphonic.
I think the TONEX plugins are great, specially the fact that you can bring in a Klon or any other pedal into your signal chain and now that it is available in a pedal platform. For the conventional pedal platform people it will be great!! Unfortunately I have moved “away” from the traditional pedal platform and use their plugins extensively in Amplitube. I will soon release a video of my live setup using Amplitube with three different Amps in one preset and switching between them seamlessly - Bogner clean, Marshall overdriven and then Hi-gain Soldano for an ultimate live setup! Each one having their own sets of pedals in front and then also in their fx loop and then racks/fx in the master bus!! All I use is a midi foot controller with 8 x buttons and two expression pedals (digital) ..can do almost any rig live with this setup !!
I love stereo amps lol. I play the big tone x thru the fx loop of the stomp, if I'm feeling fancy and want to do stereo amps, I split the signal in the stomp and use a modeler from the stomp on one side and the tone x on the other. This limits DSP but still have enough for a delay, a reverb and overdrive.
Another Great Review Steve. I'm liking that Heritage Guitar. I've heard they are amazing guitars. Enjoy it!
Thanks Joe!
You can use jam points from IK directly too which can make it even cheaper. No brainer to get to complement hx stomp xl for me.
Awesome video man. The only improvement that I would surely welcome is a gate with downward extention multiband denoising- like the Bertom denoiser. Some of the high-gain Tone models are quiet with the current gate when not playing, but tend to allow a lot of noise and hiss through while playing. I've found the Bertom denoiser ridiculously helpful for in DAW studio recording, but when I play live with Tonex pedal I find room for improvement. Helix has a better gate imo. Outside of this aspect, Tonex is king!
It seems like a great value with a lot of features and downloadable sounds but as the owner of a helix LT and just a home player I'm not sure what it offers that I don't already have in the Helix along with the extra effects already there in the helix. I think amp modeling beyond that is something for a specific group of players and for the pros. It's great that it's out there but I'm not sure I would hear anything from it that I can't already put together in the helix.
If you are e full fledged modeler fan, and youre totally happy, then its safe to skip! Whatever keeps you inspired to play more
Cool video man! Really dig this gamechanging pedal! :)
Thanks bro! Changing the game!
I don't consider either of you shills, but parroting overused buzzword phrases gives that impression. If either of you care.
@@WholeLottaBulldog I appreciate the feedback. It's not as easy as it seems to come up with a catchy and "clickable" title. It's not just about what we make of it or the quality of the video. It actually has a lot to do with how youtube pushes content and "chooses" what it wants to promote. If you look at all the tonex demos out today, regardless of channel size, some will perform better than others based on these factors alone.
@@SteveSterlacci good response; I understand what you're saying, and it makes sense. Its just fatiguing from a viewer's perspective. Good man for acknowledging the critique.
@WholeLottaBulldog I do welcome constructive feedback and especially viewers perspective. If it were up to me, title and thumbnail would mean significantly less. Then the content would be king vs having to strategize a way to make it "clickable". I promise that none of the guys I'm friends with that do this are ever out to deceive or shill for a buck. I wouldn't associate with that scene at all.
I bought two because stereo amps are so awesome. You should get another one just to try it.
Awesome IK! Way to hear us out, read the room…
Pair it with a pod Express and you've got a fly rig that fits in each of your pockets I have an HX Stomp and a tonex pedal but I can't power them with batteries and I can't carry them in my pockets just turn off the amps on the Pod Express and use its four Drive pedals with a clean amp and a drive amp on the tonex one
The pedal is fantastic, the GUI on the software could use some work. For $179 I'm not going to complain too much.
Q: Is it possible that amp modeling is the future and amp/cabs manufacturers are obsolete - because there have been enough physical amps/cabs made, and all new amp/cab combos will be created in software?
I say this as someone who wishes they did not recently buy a Marshall amp/cab.
No.
@@mikedfurman Can you add why? With these modelers don't you only need a PA system?
And with modeling you can create amps/cabs sounds a lot faster than building physical amps/cabs.
@@Houston123ABC I think both will have a place. Tube amps are still and really always will be the best way to experience music but you can’t always do that because of space and volume constraints.
Digital solutions like a Suhr RL/IR or OxBox or a Fryette PS2 make large amps usable from silent to cranked.
There’s a contraction in live amps but I think they’ll always hold on!
Why oh why isn't there a delay in there somewhere. Bummer.
Are you going to implement this into your board with the Stomp as well?
Does it really come with 200 preset capabilities or is it 20? Cool little pedal either way. I just wish it had midi.
20 internal, 200 software to import
Maybe neural DSP can fit their plugins in a pedal like this. Edit with computer. Save a few presets. Switch between them. Easy.
Rather them actually put some effort into expanding the effects/amp libraries on their flagship QC.
Hx-Effects + tonex one = helix mk2
WHAT's the LATENCY?
one little piece missing for me .... Midi. I would have ordered it immediately. It would have integrated so well with my Helix floor....
Does this have midi preset recall via the USB-C?
nvm. Power via usbc is annoying but still an awesome package for $175
Maybe it’s me… it seems like at 10m36s there is clipping…
Yeah that was my mistake when I went direct to my DAW instead of tonex one into daw. So I was DI and didn't leave myself enough headroom. Good ear!
If i knew about this, I would have just bought this instead of all my pedals :)
The other tonex always existed. People sell them used for like 200-250
I want it and I am not even a guitarist...
Maybe I'm missing something, but why would I want a profiler pedal? I'll be using other people sounds. I want to use a MarkIV sound, but tweaked my way, with the EQ in specific setup and the tone controls too. With a profiler I can't do that, I'm stuck with what other people captured, maybe more popular sounds for sure, but I wouldn't have the ability to tweak it my way. Am I missing something here?
Yeah, and you can't use a Marshall because other people used marshalls in the past. Bummer.
@slidersson are you suggesting Slash has the same tone that Angus or Page?
I plan on downloading clean amps and pairing them with my pedals.
Do I need 2 amps ? No . Do I really like the sound of 2 amps and W/D rig? Absolutely!
Cool how small it is. Still the digital sound though. Having said that, like the pod express I'll prob get it. (sigh) I purchased the larger Tonex unit and sent back due to just too much digital fizz for the money, but could live with Tonex One at 180 bucks. Like the Pod Express and HX stomp for that matter, you make compromises and live with the tones/per buck. Not as good as my three real amps, but very convenient. One thing I have not seen in quite awhile......the blast of 'paid' TH-cam Tonex One vids from all the usual suspects. A LOT of them...Tonex is really pushing this. Lastly, I think it's a good thing to allow the musicians to sell the presets. Spread the wealth a bit. It seems very cool for it to be so small and do soooo much....except sound real.
All these new pedals aren’t good for my bank account
i hear ya lol
Mine either! Ordered. Lol
Nevermind, i see it's 20.
no midi 😢😢😢
No thanks... sounds 35-40 of real to me. Has that fake stacked on fake overlay sound, I assume it's much worse in person where the sound is so lacking the player says, "yeah, it 's missing that Amp in the room feel..." as they play through an amp... because it's missing something they can't measure, not the speakers moving in the room. All recording and modelers lack the full picture, if you like playing like that, it's fine...
Yeah sure buddy
@@haroldthan4948 The reason you lose that "amp in the room feel" is because the recording of a sound is only giving you part of what was there.
See... we know this because all one has to do is watch someone play a modeler/whatever in a room, then say, (Sounds great if you can get past the AMP in the room issue) while they are playing through...
a
amp...
Because it's not about speakers or the amp "moving air," that's happening with a FRFR speaker system... The sound you get "feels off" because if you play through analog you get used to more.
You sitting here listening to a recording of an AMP will sound the same as a modeler because both are a recording, they both lack "something" that you would otherwise notice when sitting in the actual room.
Go ahead... explain it away with more magical nonsense.
All of these devices are great, I'm happy people have the tools... but it's like a record VS an CD VS an MP3... each one is a downgrade, but if you grew up with only MP3's you don't notice the loss. If you grew up with records you notice the loss.
We see a clear divide between AMPed VS modeler players because it's a real thing. Neither matter when recorded but almost no one records... they play in the room.
I bought a Ampeg "amp in a pedal" and the ACS1 amp in a pedal. I couldn't not figure out why I liked the Ampeg but the ACS1 was unplayable to me... I looked them up and what do you know, the Ampeg SGT Di is analog and the ACS1 is all digital.
The Ampeg feels like an amp in the room, the ACS1 feels like I'm literally playing an MP3.
---------
People are slowing (or quickly) getting used to lessor quality tones, but the trade off is access to near all the tones of amps and pedals, but just lower quality.
@@haroldthan4948 So this video came out about 2 hours ago, around 14-15 min in, they talk about what they think the difference between digital/analog is and how we perceive it.
th-cam.com/video/VW3vLRivX6o/w-d-xo.html
If your willing to listen to the other side, I found it's night and day. I find digital amp/distortion impossible to play... I just stop. I owned the Helix for a month and in that time I literally stopped playing any guitar. I didn't even know what "amp in the room" was.
I just got the ACs1 and a SGT-DI (bass but play guitar through it) and I only play on the Ampeg SGT, I didn't even know it was analog... the ACS1 is all digital and it feels like (i believe as I stated) I'm playing an MP3.
Do you play or record guitar for a living? No one disagrees about a real tube amp in the room sounding better than anything, but the only people who really get to do that are either first call musicians or they’re very privileged in the working guitarists world. Those of us who make a living in playing & making music appreciate simple solutions that sound great.
@@Nickgiv My issue is that many of these products are being sold by "reviewers" on youtube, they're salesmen.
About 5 years ago all over youtube were "reviewers" claiming that their Helix, Quad Cortex, Headrush, Amplitube, Positive grid ext were now their go to boards... at home and gigs.
Fast forward a few years an you notice they still had their amps, their pedal boards and were doing videos on updates to their pedal boards that they gig with.
My point is that these products do some thing really well, reverb/delay... outside of that... not so much.
Does that mean you cant like them, nope... but the voice that does not keep saying things like, "we live in amazing time to be a guitarist" is important. I had a small Korg "Pandoras box" when I was about 14... I'm 42 now.
The issue is that each time these products repackage themselves they sales pitch is always the same, but it's not always true...
Yawn