Hi Jostina, what I hear is Shaka is the one who cancel the initiation school since he was focused on fighting most of the time and the mandebele of zim/of mzilikazi when they fled from now called KZN it was already cancelled. Mandela of South/of Musi came out first from the tribe it still one tribe called amanguni and some of costumes where still in practice by then that is why you find Ndebele ka Musi,Xhosa and Swatis still practice those customers.
Most tribes in Southern Africa are descendants of the Embo-Lala tribes, as time went on new tribes were formed e.g. Swati, Ndebele, Mpondo, Mpondomise, Hlubi. However the Xhosa and Zulu kingdoms don't originate from Embo rather the Nguni Tribe... In the 1800s when the Zulu was formed there was a series of inter tribal wars and other tribes getting assimilated making other tribes bigger. It was a scramble and all South African tribes started intermixing and adupting while influencing other cultures and theirs. Hence today every language in the country is somehow related to another language so on and so forth. In essence throughout history some tribes were wiped out while new ones were formed making our complex country today
Interestingly this looks very similar to our Hlubi tribe initiation. The concept looks exactly the same and I would assume we don't differ much even inside initiation school as we don't differ much with Basotho hence sometimes we interchange.
amaHlabezulu or AmaNdebele the don't mix culture with amaSotho they shld relate to the strong still alive Ndebele nation of Mzilikazi the real Ndebele king from Matshobane down to lobengula until there fled to Matebeleland in nw Zim in KwaBulawayo there dont mix with Sotho in culture they shld know there. Origins
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@@romeomavuso2105 udakiwe the reason they sing and praise in sotho and pedi is that after King Nyabela war the ndebeles were arrested and not allowed to participate in their culture.so they had to talked to pedi and sotho kings that they will escape the farm and initiate under them.due to most ndebele man on the farm the ndebele could not preserve their original songs and initiate names.
The Northern Sotho (Bapedi) have shaped and influenced the Ndebele culture and language tremendously. It isn't surprising that their initiation songs are in Sepedi as Koma (initiation) is truly a Sotho rite of passage which the Ndebele people obviously adopted. Even the typically Ndebele "colour-blocking" is actually originally Northern Sotho. It's also said that even the name Ndebele is of Sotho origin.
Niyaqhunywa nina ukusoka akukona okwama Pedi, ama Ndebele avele ezweni labaMbo esoka vele. The reason why they have been influenced by baPedi is because they live in close proximity to each other. Every SA Tribe is influencing each other one way or another
Why do people say there's a difference between northern and southern Ndebele when I can understand everything they are saying and I'm Zimbabwean Ndebele? The only difference I see is a little bit in dress although we also have those colours.
Wow thank you a lot I am a ndebele I will always love my culture as you guys said
Thank you so much 🥰🥰
It is always always interesting seeing Ndebele initiates, i was initiated in a tswana initiation school and one of our keepers was ndebele.
Thank you Itumeleng.
Is it the same system for both Ndebele and Tswana?
@@anelemnguni4264 a le melao ya tshwana?
Need more of this content on TH-cam ukuthi sonke sifunde amasiko ethu! Thanks for sharing
Why Zulu men and Ndebele men from Zimbabwe do not go to the initiation schools?
Hi Jostina, what I hear is Shaka is the one who cancel the initiation school since he was focused on fighting most of the time and the mandebele of zim/of mzilikazi when they fled from now called KZN it was already cancelled. Mandela of South/of Musi came out first from the tribe it still one tribe called amanguni and some of costumes where still in practice by then that is why you find Ndebele ka Musi,Xhosa and Swatis still practice those customers.
SimaNdebele akhe siliseni ukuvanga ilimu leskhethu nesiZulu nasikhulumako khulu khulu nasizokuvela kuma video noma kubomabonakude ,yazi sekuba snagisapha man ngathi simandarindari.ZIKHAKHAZISE NGES'KHENU USIKHULUME SIZWAKALE KHULUKHULU THINA ITSHA LE.
Ndebele is all the South African black languages mixed together can someone please explain to us how did this mixture of languages came about
Most tribes in Southern Africa are descendants of the Embo-Lala tribes, as time went on new tribes were formed e.g. Swati, Ndebele, Mpondo, Mpondomise, Hlubi. However the Xhosa and Zulu kingdoms don't originate from Embo rather the Nguni Tribe... In the 1800s when the Zulu was formed there was a series of inter tribal wars and other tribes getting assimilated making other tribes bigger. It was a scramble and all South African tribes started intermixing and adupting while influencing other cultures and theirs. Hence today every language in the country is somehow related to another language so on and so forth. In essence throughout history some tribes were wiped out while new ones were formed making our complex country today
From the Nguni"s they live close with the Tswana most of the time, follow Bagaduba from Mathibestad, they are the Ndebeles
Ndebele is a bantu language from the nguni group the nguni tribes are bantu mixed with Khoisan which explains why they have clicks
@@Tssharif it is not , our language is not a nguni language it originates from Mbo we are not Nguni we are closely related to amaHlubi
Interestingly this looks very similar to our Hlubi tribe initiation. The concept looks exactly the same and I would assume we don't differ much even inside initiation school as we don't differ much with Basotho hence sometimes we interchange.
As far as i know we are one and the same , amaNdebele and amaHlubi have common ancestors
I'm confused, I though this was ndebele. But there's Sotho in there.
We sing some of the sotho initiation songs
@@ogsjava1028 That's pretty cool, I appreciate non-tribalism. The Ndebele seem to be truly open people.
amaHlabezulu or AmaNdebele the don't mix culture with amaSotho they shld relate to the strong still alive Ndebele nation of Mzilikazi the real Ndebele king from Matshobane down to lobengula until there fled to Matebeleland in nw Zim in KwaBulawayo there dont mix with Sotho in culture they shld know there. Origins
@@charlesncube9511 the "Ndebele's" in Zim are Zulu
@@charlesncube9511 those ndebele are in Zimbabwe thina sima ndebele ka musi sazuka ekzn ngonyaka ka 1458
So, the forum has gone to this level now??🙆🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️
Informative my step son is Ndebele.
Kanti ilimi lesikhethu kubayini nilivanga?NgiliDzibha njalo 1997/05/04 negekhe ngilikhohlwe!!!!!!
Ibizo lakho lobusokana ngubani
IsiNdebele isihluke ngani nesiZulu... ngididekile ngempela... ngizwa isiZulu la
Amazulu awoluki ama ndebele ngamadoda Aya entabeni
Zithi izinsizwa zibuya e Peris...
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This led to widespread anger amongst the minority Ndabele tribe, and a small-scale civil war broke out between Nkomo's supporters and government forces.
Baqula zesipedi ,babonga ngesipedi most of the tym ... why?
koma keyabaSotho lol
lol obviously koma kea mapedi..
@@romeomavuso2105 udakiwe the reason they sing and praise in sotho and pedi is that after King Nyabela war the ndebeles were arrested and not allowed to participate in their culture.so they had to talked to pedi and sotho kings that they will escape the farm and initiate under them.due to most ndebele man on the farm the ndebele could not preserve their original songs and initiate names.
KHENILISENI UKUBONGA NGESIPEDI MANDEBELE
They have too cause this culture ngeyama pedi it's not theirs too bad.
@@muhlekhabo yes bye
The Northern Sotho (Bapedi) have shaped and influenced the Ndebele culture and language tremendously. It isn't surprising that their initiation songs are in Sepedi as Koma (initiation) is truly a Sotho rite of passage which the Ndebele people obviously adopted.
Even the typically Ndebele "colour-blocking" is actually originally Northern Sotho. It's also said that even the name Ndebele is of Sotho origin.
Niyaqhunywa nina ukusoka akukona okwama Pedi, ama Ndebele avele ezweni labaMbo esoka vele. The reason why they have been influenced by baPedi is because they live in close proximity to each other. Every SA Tribe is influencing each other one way or another
Hebann!!🤦🏾♂️, abafazi they comment on this!!!
Maye!!!!!
kukulahla kwani oku kutshiwo lelikrwala at 3: 14
everyone has a gold tooth yerr
lucky msi u hatin
Why do people say there's a difference between northern and southern Ndebele when I can understand everything they are saying and I'm Zimbabwean Ndebele? The only difference I see is a little bit in dress although we also have those colours.