Dylan was murdered because he cried excessively because he was born drug addicted. An innocent punished for his mother’s crimes against him. WTF is wrong with this world.
Not only was he probably still going through drug withdrawals but hed been beaten & had many broken bones & bruises. Broken ribs are excruciatingly painful. Hed have felt it everytime he took a breath. He had also been taken from the only family who had actually taken proper care of him & loved on him & he was thrown into a drug addled violent home with people who didnt properly care for him. This sweet innocent little baby deserved so much better than these monsters.
you know you need more training to be a hair stylist than a parent. there should be laws and testing done on parents. Although, here clearly are a bunch of ignorant goonies they could have easily given the baby up at the hospital and go back to there drug bingeing lifestyle. they didnt need to swing Dylan in the air by his leg and throw him against the wall then stomp on him. this is the only way he could have that many injuries. there is clearly more to the story no one is telling. A dream catcher huh? no way!!
I don’t even believe her tears are real she can be crying one minute then quite aggressively say she can’t remember how that poor baby got his injuries but if she is crying your right it’s tears for herself! What a sad sad case 😢
Frankly I think the elephant in the room is this lying piece of crap in a green shirt. His idiot attorney is feeding him his lies! What sort of a father accuses his own son of essentially lying about the urine samples he provided🤷♀️
@@crawleyr4919 Yes, but poor baby Dylan was there only for abt 12 days. He should have been allowed to stay in that safe, loving, cosy home until his tiny system was completely drug-free. Also, of course, not until Both his parents had been monitored, assessed and deemed fit to care and keep him safe from harm of any kind.
@@redmarilynn yep- they should also be held accountable. I was a Public Health Nurse- CPS ALWAYS brought out a nurse with them if a baby was missing appts. I’m so angry
@@crawleyr4919 IKR. Why, why did CPS - after finding him a safe loving environment - not leave him there longer. The daily pain Little Dylan suffered must have been excruciating.
@@redmarilynn it’s unthinkable! Now I’m watching the trial of Chris McNabb and Courtney Bell- 2 other monsters that killed their baby. I guess I’m a glutton for pain watching this stuff... (taking break from politics, lol)
A couple hours after a social worker visited him he died ?! These social workers need punishment they're literally not examining children not following their guts and failing kids !!!
I was a public health nurse that often accompanied CPS workers out to homes so that I could examine a baby who has missed appts! Ohio needs to take a good look at this.
Yes, lots of them are but NOT ALL. They’ve got TONS of work and very little pay - the burn out is the worst. As I said in another post: Pay case managers even HALF of what is paid to entertainers & athletes, and take care of human beings!!! Our cultural priorities are effed up.
I know from watching trials in my home state of Georgia that CPS is required to physically examine the child, down to a diaper change, of all kids they have to make home visits on. I’m not sure why this isn’t a rule in Ohio.
There's NO way that this baby could've had all these injuries, bruises and marks without the dad or cps seeing or knowing it!! Especially just having been there couple hours before he got MURDERED!! Cps is guilty also!
@Michelle doe he knew the child wasn't ok and he didn't do nothing about it to keep the CPS from testing his wife's urine, it's not rocket science, we know what's up!!
@@healthyscents I think he didn't say anything because she was not supposed to be there unless supervised. Supervised means in the presence at all times of the one supervising which clearly he was not.
@Michelle doe were not actually talking about mosquito bites on the baby.. this was bruises and broken bones on this baby. He would have had to be deaf, dumb and BLIND to have not noticed his child was being abused.. gimme a freaking break!! 😡
@Native Nfree My ex changed a diaper when I made him. He wouldn't have noticed anything either. I sure would of course. When my kids were in daycare I checked them out every evening! I never trusted anyone but me with my babies!
My thoughts exactly. Cps is there to protect kids when their families won't and they obviously did not protect him and neither did the people we are supposed to trust to keep children and infants safe
Yes I agree and the baby died right after CPS left. DHR and CPS are scandalous and drive families crazy. They probably after the hospital drugged her up real good being in the system.
Cps gets away with a lot! I am tryin to change those laws and I’m glad ppl like u see it!! They never do what’s best for the children and when a child is murdeted and cps is involved they should be charged as well
No, he weighed about 9 pounds. The weight you are referring to was after they pulled him out of the well and his body had loss mass due to deterioration.
My baby weighed that much.... The Dr told me they don't usually let premature babies go at this weight but she was doing everything she was supposed to. So, it just depends on the situation.
Same with the judges who declare the child is no longer in danger and to return the poor children home, and government who cuts so much funding so social workers are over worked and have too many caseloads to properly focus on the high needs cases
@@ecb1979yes, the funds are given to astronauts to go to moon, stars, clouds, galaxies, milky way and to other unnamed planets to look over you, so that America can become great again
I'm so glad he testified! He put the final nail in his coffin. What a complete idiot. The Foster mother is the only one who did not fail that precious baby.
I'm so happy Daniel and Jessica decided to testify. They really showed their true colors and we and the jury saw thru their lies. They deserve the same amount of compassion as they showed their baby boy which is zero.
@@niania7022I think both their attorneys were horrible, especially Daniels. She kept asking the same questions the State Attorney asked😳. I never seen the first tear fall from Jessica's eyes, she completely wasted a whole box of Kleenex that we the tax payers paid for since neither of them worked 😠😡🤬. I say lock them up, nah better yet give them the same treatment they gave Baby Dylan.
I am an addict in recovery from everything and I may have nodded in and out,woke up sleep walking, stayed up for seven days straight at one point and I still remember who, what and where ...fine details are blurry. But the bigger stuff that occurred I haven’t forgotten. Sober since 2012
Congrats Laurie! I have 27 years clean, unfortunately 30 years an addict which means I raised children while on drugs. I managed to go clean while pregnant and for at least a year after. It was mainly meth. As I was terrified my children would be taken i managed to maintain for years but still my children suffered. They always do. My greatest grief was the facing the lie of being a good mother. My greatest joy is being a grandmother in recovery and assisting my children. I'm so proud of you. Your life is just beginning.
"I'm gonna go ahead and talk about an incident that has happened in your life... get the elephant out of the room" ... Ma'am, *shoplifting* was certainly not the elephant...
I’m grateful that Baby Dylan had Andrea Bowling in his life for what little time he had...to experience TRUE love and caring that he so greatly deserved 💕 😔
Yes, me too. It is devastating to hear how the poor baby was suffering from drug withdrawal. Thank God he was comforted for a little while with the kindness and love of his foster mother. May his poor soul Rest In Peace.
I'm a huge nightclub bouncer n usually pretty emotionless. but this thing has got me choking back tears. this little baby had twelve days of love from a foster carer an that was all the love he ever knew 💔
Andrea Bowling is an Angel!! You can tell she lived that baby the way she was so torn up! Just so sad! Those parents should have never been given Dylan back!!
Wish Dylan had stayed with Andrea.I couldn't foster knowing that the baby would be handed to monsters.These babies don't have to die.This is never acceptable.If you do meth,get sterilized.
@1:26:28 she reveals what she's been crying about the whole time. There's no remorse or sorrow towards the horrendous existence she gave that little innocent. Her distress is because, as SHE said, "My whole life is over." *Her* life. What I'm feeling is beyond words.
I pray for this older son to be able to put his life together, and find peace and love forever. It sounds like his aunt and uncle will help him to heal.
Its sickening. I do not see why we even give them food or water. Nothing. Thats what they deserve. Throw them off a cliff or something painful and absolutely free to taxpayers.
They remember what they want. And yes he is responsible!!! The court made him guardian, and he saw her hit the child. It would never have happen if she wasn't in the home. One hit she should of been gone.
@@kathleenanderson4876 maybe he suspected it was a love tap Idek honestly he apparently never thought she would do something like that because of how she was with there first child
Can you even imagine torturing a defenseless little 2 month old baby! It’s just heartbreaking! I’m crying just imagining what that poor baby went through! The people that are supposed to be loving him....killing him! How dare they even get to breathe the air!
In a way I'm glad baby Dylan is not on this earth today. Not the way he went though. It's a lot to imagine what more pain he would've endured every extra day if he was still here. The parents deserve what's coming.
@@LikelyLeikin It's just Ridiculous if you think about it... Smacking, slapping, etc. It's all a form of hitting. Whether you're actually using your fist or your palm, you're still "hitting" the other person with a part of your body.
Why though? Have you ever had to be tested and/or heard, seen, participated in getting around said testing? Cause I have and it's not easy to fool them, the only way is to use a pricey contraption and someone else's clean urine.
First of all, if this baby was born with drugs in his system, the baby is removed from his or her family's home. Therefore the baby should not have been released with his Mom and Dad until he was out of woods from withdrawal 's from these drugs. Why didn't the hospital keep him? In so much as the Mom and Dad had been doing Methanmetiphine during her pregnancy and the baby being born with this drug in his system why was the child not taken from the parents,placed in foster care and for the forseeable future until they got clean themselves? This is not in anyway excusing what the Mom did intentionally or unintentionally but the hospital dropped the ball.
CPS is there to protect the government and to help prosecute crimes. They pick and choose whom they serve in accordance with their yearly budget. Protecting children is pretty far down on the list of their priorities.
He is worse in my eyes blaming it all on his wife. He was the one who was suppose to be looking after dilan in his care, she was not allowed to live at home
How are we the only ones who know hes a liar. Just look at his body language, especially his eyes. Also if we look at his antecedent crimes and wrong doings, there are all centered around being dishonest to law enforcement and to CPS even before the crime happened. He’s deceitful and this in itself is proof that he has no trouble lying. Also, his sons urine sample that he “gave to his friend “ is a clear and obvious sign. He thinks that if he admits a smaller deception or less grandeur, they will believe him to be truthful. he is a liar, as are most addicts and I hope they both rott in jail
Exactly. If he felt his baby was threatened in anyway he should have reported it. Now he’s just blaming his wife for everything. He lived there, he could have stopped her from killing the baby.
I am a 17 year old with a 15 month old, and I’ve had my share of struggles and frustrations, but my daughter is the best thing that’s ever happened to me. These people never loved Dylan and it had nothing to do with drugs, simply there lack of parental morals.
Devon keep being a good parent. Children must be protected at all costs. Do not trust anyone with your child that's new in your life, please be careful. Im proud of you you can do this!
There is no way they are together for 24 years, both have histories of drug use and he didn't know she was using. He's lying. I highly suspect they were using together
Hello Brittabug, You are correct. Both has used drug together. Mom and dad are pathetic. He is a liar. How can he not seen the bruises on the baby's body.
He admitted to seeing her hit/slap their newborn baby and did nothing!! After that (arguably well before) it should have been GAME. OVER. Period. There is zero excuse, zero justification and zero reason for EVER striking a newborn baby. And he said “yes I saw that but it wasn’t enough to cause those injuries” disgusting and total negligence in every way 😡
When I was nearly 4, my baby sister died of SIDS. This father is despicable. He has no genuine grief let alone trauma about the murder of the baby and his statements are ridiculous. There is no excuse for not calling 911 except this drug abuser didn't want anyone to find the broken bones nor the fractured skull of the baby.
Daniel Groves under redirect from his attorney says: "I thought he just died of SIDS." Then he says: " I was afraid because she said she would blame me." when asked why he didn't report his son's death to child services. Sudden infant death syndrome clearly implies that it's no one's fault; the child simply died. Well if he honestly thought that the child died of SIDS why would his wife threaten to blame him? Moreover, why would this threat prevent him from reporting the death if he honestly thought the child died from SIDS? He's lying.
@@cats17100 If he didn't know no one was to blame then his statement, that he thought the child died of SIDS is a lie, as SIDS implies that the death was natural.
You would think if you're spending that much time with a baby you would bond to it more than "the child" 🙄 but idk, he could be disssociating or trying to approach it clinically to remain calm or something
Years ago when my grandson was a running toddler, I was taking him and my granddaughter, his twin sister to a local "Play Land" for kids. On the way he unbuckled his car seat harness, crawled up on the flat deck under the rear window. I pulled over, scolded him and buckled him back in. The fourth time I had to pull over to buckle him in, I took him out of his car seat and paddled his butt over a thick huggie. It didn't happen again, and we had a great time. My grandson is now a 6 foot 16 year old. I'm now 67, and have literally been upset to tears over it all these years. He laughed and says he doesn't remember it, but I do. How this couple could beat their baby to death is beyond my ability to comprehend it.
I honestly believe when the autopsy photos were being shown in court, those two POS should have been FORCED to see every last one of them so they never forget what they did to that poor little angel's body.
YES they should of forced them to look, all those poor people on the jury have to see them how awful must that be so yeah the least they could do is look at the damage they caused to that poor defenceless baby.
How could he even answer the question about if the childs head looked bruised at death the same as it looked in the autopsy photos. His answer was no but when they were showing the photos in court his eyes were closed with his fingers over his eyes. He's lying.
This precious infant baby was brutalized. The baby should NEVER have left the hospital with these parents, especially giving the Mother daytime visits supervised by the husband. Children's Protective Services failed this baby miserably as they do with so many cases. There is so much guilt in this case - just unbelievable.
He didn’t leave the hospital with them. He had a very loving foster mom who took him and had him for the first 12 days of his life. Then he was ripped away from her and given to these 2 monsters by CPS. It makes the entire thing that much worse. They MISERABLY failed him and should be held accountable. He had someone who truly loved him and was able to care for him but instead he was tortured to death because of CPS’s decision.
He claims they had bad cell service. He also says Jessica badgered him that he would be blamed for everything because he had custody of the baby... which is true. He had custody and endangered his welfare by allowing Jessica around him. Part of me believes some of his story but then he starts talking about how Dylan never had any injuries and it flies right out the window. Your child’s arm was broken in multiple places, his leg was broken, and you were bathing your baby, changing your baby, and you didn’t know that? Impossible.
I feel terrible for the older brother. Im sure he is traumatized, confused, angry, and depressed. Imagine having to testify against your parents for murdering your bany brother and discarding him like a piece of trash. So sad.
Same as that I feel really awful for that poor boy I’m sure he has saw so much pain and neglect his whole life I actually dread to think what these children in these households go through. His mother and father destroyed his life I so hope he is somewhere where he gets a good shot at life.
I pray as well that he can remain with his aunt and uncle prayerfully they’re going to give him the love he needs and getting him some help with some type of therapy because he’s going to need someone to help him cope with all this.
And then be essentially called a liar by said parents. There's no way this kid hasn't been traumatized in that home with parents addicted to hard drugs.
I keep wondering who cared for him in the chaos of days after the hospital birth. Where was child services for him during those 3 months after the baby was returned to Sr’s custody.
So let's see: Daniel didn't know his wife was doing drugs. Didn't know she was pregnant. Didn't know she was missing prenatal appointments. Didn't know she was not going to Majahgen or drug rehab or continuing her drug use. Didn't know she was beating their son to death. We all know he knew EVERYTHING because he could not stand up to her and whatever she said or wanted or told him to do he would do. He got her drugs. He let her harm Dylan.
yup...because he was seeing it, hearing it and gosh darn, he was probably beating it too....but CPS was more concearned with re-uniting then protecting, it should be called child/parent reunification, not child protective services.. not whats in the best interest of the child..
He didnt call 911 when he found his baby cause he didnt want them to see his bashed in skull and broken shattered limbs!! He knew that baby died from obvious visual injuries! You're not fooling anyone bud
Sandy Trantham,sooo true and the fact I have Not Seen Him Cry Once for his baby,ONLY Her and it's because she wants sympathy from him and others!!! They Both make me sick SMFH😠🤢😠
I can not understand how this father sits there & answer's all these questions about his sweet little infant being broken & killed & Not ONE Tear!!!! Unfathomable!!!!
@@pamelamorris3148 and why would you feel that way?? She loved that baby and stopped her life and took off of work to be there for him...... really why do you think that?
@@cristineconnell7803 They can't escape the beatings they will receive from the inmates. If you think god has that kind of control why didn't god protect Dylan?
I was wondering the same thing ...you say this and I'll say that. .......?There is no way that after living together more than 20 years that you don't know that your partner was using and abusing....he is certainly lying.
I'm surprised by that too. Even if they are codefendants, you don't usually see that in court. I don't think it should be allowed, but I guess that's are lovely justice system. She keeps writing notes to him!
As someone who struggled with infertility and was not able to get pregnant this case just makes me literally sick to my stomach. When we adopted our daughter I spent the whole first night awake watching my daughter sleep. She kept making little noises and I was worried. I wanted to be awake if there was a problem. These two are monsters.
I can't figure out why so many people who want children are infertile and vice versa. I personally know a terrible mother and she has 7 biological children. I don't have any kids but I have lots of rescue animals.
Exactly! It's like when someone answers your question with your question: Do you think you made mistakes? Do I think I made mistakes, yes...BUT... And also when someone says "honestly" before they answer a question.
That is actually a tell tale sign he is lying. That and when they say things like Can not or did not. Moat people use contractions and don't place emphasis on things when telling the truth
@OhHell_TooTheNo Gee im a nurse..it was the firat question in my mind. Lets start from the beginning ya know? If he were never allowed to leave with a drug addicted mother he would still be alive!!
The dad was testing “negative” for drugs so they gave him the okay to have Dylan and as for the mom they ordered for her to go to therapy and classes and she wasn’t allowed to be living in the house or around Dylan until they saw improvement but they clearly cheated the system and the system let them
In New Orleans I had a friend give birth to a baby she said she didn’t know she was pregnant. Both her and the baby tested positive for drugs and the baby ended up in the nicu. They were willing to let her take that baby home with her (after she got out of the nicu) alone as long as she took some drug classes and there was a representative (friend or family - she was going to pick her drug addicted boyfriend) that would check in on them every week and sign off that they were doing ok.... this happens everyday it’s heartbreaking.
The nurses’ testimonies describe that women give birth to drug addicted babies daily, and that’s in one hospital. I can’t imagine how many more children would be wards of the state if they weren’t allowed to go home with parents who are using, but which is better? Both the state and addicted parents are apathetic caretakers with no regimented schedule or ability to help a child thrive.
yeah you're right. But he, at some point, sold his soul to the devil and it all led up to this. Life is a really insane journey. I watch Court TV and learned of so many horrid things people do to one another. It isn't like all drug addicts or homeless people or immigrants. It scares me there are people out there I might have met that seemed so "normal" and nice. Inside they might have been completely wicked.
You said it!! She's destroyed an entire family. I heard the judge say he shows no remorse, I disagree. He deserves to be punished for his part in this but the death of Dylan sits squarely on that crazy, careless bitch.
heaven I have to step away from it sometimes. It is scary bc these are the ppl who have been caught and are now being prosecuted. What scares me is there are ppl at this very moment, who haven't yet done the thing. Is it my neighbor? Boyfriend? The guy in line waiting to buy the loaf of bread and milk in his hands? In my area in Hawaii, there has been a trend lately of older ladies getting robbed at gunpoint by punks. Guns crimes are in the news every week now and it was very rare before. One guy got robbed of $20 at gunpoint during the middle of the day. Our system is like California's. We are very easy on criminals.
EXACTLY. There is not a single thing ANYONE could EVER say to justify that! I have two kids and I know how hard and frustrating it can be, but no amount of frustration could ever make me hurt my children. Ever. This is sickening.
@@shawnabarnett7008 girl I'm with you... My baby had colic when she was first born and it drove me absolutely bonkers....I just had to let her cry and comfort her.. That's all u can do...I could never imagine harming my sweet baby...
Tragically, the authorities might have believed he hurt the baby as she threatened him to tell them he did it. She has the tears and "poor me" act very well rehearsed. It just doesn't work with a dead baby thrown down a well and him not taking her garbage anymore. It would have been far better if he had called 9-1-1 when Dylan died and taken his chances with the truth. In that way, most of those charges would not have been filed and he would not be spending most of the rest of his life in prison. She sure did a number on him convincing him they would believe her!!!
Glenna Rose I think your right...they probably would have believed her. Bottom line, the best thing he could have done was left that baby safe and sound with the foster mom. They have sought return of custody only once they were both completely off drugs, out of the criminal lifestyle, and gainfully employed with the resources to love and care for Dylan well. How sad that a beautiful baby like that wasn’t enough to make them want to make a positive change in their lives.
I'm holding my baby now, crying imagining this little angel suffered at the hands of his own mother even before he was born. His dad never fought for his safety. There's no way he didn't know his wife was off her rocker. Dylan crying from broken bones would be impossible not to notice. I'm just thankful Dylan felt love and hopefully some peace while he was with his foster mother. She loved him so much before she even knew him and got everything she needed for him with in a few hours. I can't imagine how she must feel.
@@pamelamorris3148 huh? That's not true. What trial are you watching? Not this one. Mother, father, Dylan & CW were all in the home when Daniel Jr. came home from school...late hours 🤦🏻♀️ A neighbor told police multiple times the parents leave early AM on the 4-wheeler and come back late at night. Father knew when Daniel Jr. didn't get off the school bus. Police apprehended the parents starting at 4:30PM. I'm hoping you're trolling
@@ringsofsaturnn6153 I don’t know if you are being serious or sarcastic but when someone is pregnant it’s not their body. It’s two. The baby inside has no choice. It’s both of their jobs to protect that baby and they both failed.
@@pamelasmith6221 the point is there is nothing to be done.. the unborn have no legal rights.. that is how a large portion of the country wants it.. sick but true.. she can literally throw it in the trash and there is nothing dad can do.
Daniel exhibits no empathy, warmth or love for Dylan as he is cross examined. His testimony really helped put the last nail in his coffin. Their strategy of making him come off as an innocent bystander failed completely. He really showed his true colors.
When the lawyer was asking the father about the injuries to the baby, the father was so emotionless. He was talking about fractures and bruising and yet he didn't shed a tear.
That was completely creepy to watch. “Where were you when your baby was dying?!” “Outside or around the house I guess.” Ugh!!! No emotions. No remorse. “No I didn’t fail to protect my son.” I’m.... what????!!!!!! Piece of garbage!!!!
Defence Lawyer: "When the baby passed away". HE did not pass away, this innocent baby was violently murdered!! How can you protect these evil People, how do you sleep at night!
If I am not mistaken these lawyers don't get to choose if the want to defend or not. They are assigned through the state. And so even if the don't want to defend according to law they have to give relevant arguments and make best of the situation. I am not sure, i think this is the case here. That's how things work here in Sweden at least. Honestly i don't think any human being would actually want to help this couple from the bottom of their hearts due to the heartbreakingly cruel crime they have committed.
@@monirarasekh1144 you're 100% correct. The same is true for here in the USA. Very rarely are they ever permitted not to take the case. Also, these lawyers believe everybody deserves fair defense. I'm sure she's defended some people who were legitimately innocent. Regardless, it has to be such a difficult job.
@@Katerina-xf3gj hahahaha these are public defenders. They are the lowest paid attorneys. And they work to give everyone a fair defense as are the rights of the legal system. But they don't get to chose their cases and have to provide a legal defense. Also if they don't try the case will go to a mistrial and they people will be released. And/or it will cost the taxpayers more money for a trial and legal defense. It is the law they try and they don't get to chose
Daniel just doesn't get it. He is responsible for his son's horrible death by allowing Jessica to beat this baby to death. In his mind, he has no accountability.
His attorney says, "let's address the elephant in the room...you have a shoplifting charge from Kroger." Seriously? I really don't think stealing from Kroger is the big, unsaid thing everyone is wondering about. Both of the defense attorneys are so odd.
Exactly 🙄 nobody cares about this bum shoplifting. The elephant in the room is this horribly subservient, pathetic, weak excuse of a man participated, at the least allowed his son to be murdered. This man is trash 🗑 and will be judged by his maker.
Since I doubt these defense attorneys are privately hired - pretty sure they are court appointed, I kind of feel for them getting stuck with these two to defend - especially defending Jessica. I agree that they are annoying and really they don't have a whole lot to work with. I wonder how long they have been lawyers and what their win/loss record is. I also agree that they don't appear to be the sharpest crayons in the box.
All these people that had part in child services that made the decision to give that baby back to these dopeheads should all be fired.. they should not be making decisions for any child!! This baby’s death is on them along with these parents ..the system is so broken! This is heartbreaking ..
Right! Either they are giving children back to parents that they shouldn't be, or they are taking children from parents when they should not be! The whole CPS system is a mess and should not be trusted.
What changed from the day Dylan was born and the time he was given to those people called parents ,nothing had changed CPS what were they thinking!!!!!
Social worker here...I can’t speak for the specific worker on the case and they have admitted to mishandling the case but, I just want to say that the courts hold all of the power in what happens to children and when they are moved. We give input but I can’t tell you how many times a judge has gone against my recommendation. The system as a whole is awful but workers can only do so much. I know that’s not what anyone wants to hear when it comes to children’s lives but it’s the truth.
The last 15 minutes of her fake crying!! I have never seen anyone cry that long without wiping tears coming out the eyes, she must be the only human monster that can cry through her nose! Seen her wipe her eyes 2 times. She's wiping her dry nose with the same tiseue!! FAKE CRYING TO THE MAX!
I don't think the woman is the sociopath in this couple. The fact that you see her sobbing the whole time is indicative of something else going on in her head. It very much appears that she, over the years, has tricked her brain to believe her manipulative emotional outbursts (pointing outwards) to be real emotions of the persona (pointing inwards). Jessica truly believes that what she feels is her own real sadness and remorse, but it isn't. And we recognise this difference, making her seemingly without conscience or faking emotions for effect. But in reality I think, she can not distinguish between fake and real. This is what I see and what I think of it.
If Daniel had truly collected urine for his "friend" the defense could have called that "friend " to testify that what Daniel was saying was true. So my question is why would defense leave out a critical witness.
i’ve been thinking this the whole time. i’m only in prelaw and i feel like i could’ve done better than her. (not that i would ever wanna rep this guy) all she did was make people repeat the same things and make huge stretches trying to trip up the experts.
I watched the very end, where she pretends to cry and lean to him for support, laying on his shoulder at one point, and it made me so happy to know they’d never see each other again and they’ll both be miserable and alone until they die.
Your comment is 6 months ago but I'm jus reading it Yes I agree it's satisfying to know these two creatures can't spread their evilness on to the remaining son She's probably going nuts not having that pathetic husband of hers around to bully and do her biddiny What a disgusting a pair
That video footage of them after Daniel Sr testify is very telling. You can see how manipulative Jessica is. She gets what she wants from Daniel by crying. She tried that when she was on the stand but no one was buying it. If not for the actions of Jessica Groves Dylan would be alive. I wonder if they thought ahead enough to have a name picked out before he was born.
@@benitasmith2840 You are so right also imo she probably has been scheming and bullying people forever it's amazing how the toxic pair thought bcuz they had gotten away with all their lies to CPS and everybody that they could do the same with the court and jury Daniel is pathetic he was on the stand making a fool of himself with his lies and explanations all to protect her he didn't realize he was digging a hole for himself
It is actually quite common... even if the child was only asked once. If not the child, then a friend. It's the life of an addict. My mother was an addict and she made me pee in a cup for her multiple times when I was a child. She even asked me to do it for her a few years ago (early 20s). I was flabbergasted and just walked away.
It is actually very common, I went to have labs drawn at lab core & there was a man outside & he asked if I could pee in a cup for him. He offered to pay me for my pee. I was shocked! I told the lab tech & they wrote his information down.
As a mother of 3 children I can say 2 month old baby will cry from slightest discomfort such as a scratchy clothing. And when they are in hurt they are usually screaming "bloody murder". You can not miss the pain crying in a baby. This 2 monsters let their child suffer so much and endure such a horrific pain, eventually killing him. I wish someone would hurt them as much. And to add, I had rib fracture, the pain it caused was unbearable for first 4 weeks. All I could do is sit in a same position. Moving my arms or laying down was impossible. Breathing was very hard to do. This baby was in so much pain, it bring tears to my eyes. As a parent you do everything in your power to protect your children from harm. But not this 2 monsters. They don't deserve to live and breathe.
He set there and basically called his own son a liar on top of all the other trauma that has been inflicted on him over the years!! 😡 this poor kid will never be the same after all of this 💔😢
What a coward. He would protect neither of his sons. Both depended on him. Could not see his son but from listening, he sounds truthful, and was most unfortunate arriving in this house.
I'm not saying he's innocent or telling the truth but dissociation is a real thing. I can talk about very traumatic things that have happened to me without any apparent emotion. The brain does it to protect you from the intense feelings. I don't know if that is what's happening here but I wouldn't assume if someone isn't showing emotion, that's because the person doesn't have any about the topic or is lying.
@@ginah8995 he is showing emotion. He's showing hope. He hopes he gets away with it, and the more he talks, the more confident he feels. He killed that baby.
@@Iyamyuyam I'm not saying he didn't kill the baby. I'm saying that it isn't necessarily easy to read someone's emotions when they're in high pressure situations and/or might be dissociating. He might feel both hope and guilt. He might feel nothing - we don't know, we can only speculate. My point was that when someone isn't showing a lot or anh emotion, it can be because they're dissociating from very intense emotions. And again, not saying that's what he's doing, it's just an option to throw in there
I can't stand listening to either one of these defendants. Neither one of them helped their case by testifying. I dislike them both more than I did before I heard them speak. And I did not like them one bit before they spoke. 🤬
Michelle doe I usually don’t respond to comments, but your statement is incorrect. None of us were there for this, because no one would have allowed this poor child to endure this situation. It’s not judging someone when you hear evidence in a trial. Unfortunately, it’s facts, nothing more and nothing less. And the reality is if his death was somehow accidental then you would not attempt to cover it up and hide the body. Accidents do happen, but hiding the body was intentional for whatever reason... for example : fear of criminal charges, etc.
@Michelle doe Don't pay attention to these people making such judgmental comments... or stoop to their level. I don't know how people could possibly know the life of these 2, their circumstances, drugs, history etc etc. Or whether they've even had any positive and nurturing upbringing themselves. So nice towards the end of this session, the emotions and support of each other. At least they are there for each other, regardless of the predicament they find themselves in today, to support and to love. Unfortunately for everyone else who is so quick to judge and condemn them. Can't even believe someone's comment where she thinks even Daniel Jnr's lying?? Gosh what is wrong with people!! I hope these 2 will soon find time to grieve the loss of not only baby Dylan but Daniel as well, and to accept the mistakes that they've made and to be at peace with it and within themselves!! 💜🙏🙏 And to everyone else, well i hope you all find time to clean your hearts of evilness and hatred. So much hatred. Just saying...
@Michelle doe I pray you are never called for jury duty because it would violate your "basic belief" as you have stated it here. However, just so you know, "judge" is not the same definition as "determine" or "conclude" which is what people here are doing. People have reached a conclusion and expressed their thoughts - that is not the definition of judging.
So he changed the baby Dylan's diapers and didn't notice a leg broken thru and thru, an arm broken thru and thru and broken ribs??? He didn't realize the baby was in extreme pain when he changed him? WHAT A HUGE LIAR!
I have a feeling that everything he attributes to Jessica is just him projecting- for example, when he claims Jessica threatened him. He might have been threatening her and keeping her from going to appointments and/or keeping her on the drugs, for all we know. I think he may have killed the baby and she confessed in order to protect him, because the son testified that he explained the baby’s injuries, and there’s no way he could have put the baby in the well and not seen his injuries. At the very least, they’re both liars.
I’m addicted to this case… but I keep skipping the part of the trial involving the foster mother because I just cannot even imagine what she is going through. Foster moms have the biggest heart of all. And I know her heart was with that little boy.
I wished I would have skipped the foster mom’s testimony! It was absolutely heartbreaking! She wanted him sooooo badly, and they just didn’t! Good thing you didn’t see it. Her testimony has stuck with me since!
@@forscience9977 because if you were taking a urine test and actually urinating in the cup you would say, " I went in the restroom, peed in the cup, gave them the sample...etc" But he said he went in2 the restroom "put" the urine in the cup, etc... How do you put urine in the cup if you aren't depositing it from another source? It was a slip of the tongue that you would ONLY make subconsciously if you did in fact PUT it in the cup, not just pee in the cup....
Why did they not give the baby back to he foster lady? Jessica never wanted the baby. Why did children services return baby to a druggy mom and Dad. They dropped the ball, and Dillon paid the price. Jessica should get life for inflicting pain on that baby over and over.
That's the thing I don't get either, if you. don't want the baby, why fight so hard to keep it? Could it be money? If CPS takes 1 child, are the others at risk of being taken? IDK
I wonder if money is a factor in reuniting children with parents as soon as possible because then they don’t have to continue to pay the foster parent.
Baby Dylan left the hospital with his foster mom, not Jessica and Daniel.. The county cps workers wanted to send Baby Dylan home with dad, but the hospital social workers actually fought them on it. They're the only ones who truly cared for Baby Dylan's safety... But 12 days after Dylan left the hospital with his caring foster mother, the county department of children services went ahead with their recommendation and let dad get baby Dylan, as long as mom wasn't in the home. Yet when cps did home visits, Jessica was ALWAYS there, holding baby. I'm so confused as to why they didn't take him right then and there. Idiots.
@@ajordan1976 Ik girl.. Definitely. But I watched another video where the Prosecutor was like... Why did you let the Jessica there if she wasn't allowed to be and he said she was allowed to be there just not stay the night... 🙄🤷🏾♀️ so confusing.. I thought she wasn't allowed to be around the baby at all!
The 20 minutes or so of filming Daniel and Jessica after their cross examinations is very telling. They both are obviously not happy with how it turned out and Jessica manipulates Daniel with her constant crying. I think it was at this point they both realized that their strategy of getting Daniel a lighter sentence was not going to work.
Dylan was murdered because he cried excessively because he was born drug addicted. An innocent punished for his mother’s crimes against him. WTF is wrong with this world.
And what’s crazy is they hit him and break his bones which will only make him cry more
Not only was he probably still going through drug withdrawals but hed been beaten & had many broken bones & bruises. Broken ribs are excruciatingly painful. Hed have felt it everytime he took a breath. He had also been taken from the only family who had actually taken proper care of him & loved on him & he was thrown into a drug addled violent home with people who didnt properly care for him. This sweet innocent little baby deserved so much better than these monsters.
I hate this world, too!
@tammy hall may I ask do you believe in Jesus...?
you know you need more training to be a hair stylist than a parent. there should be laws and testing done on parents. Although, here clearly are a bunch of ignorant goonies they could have easily given the baby up at the hospital and go back to there drug bingeing lifestyle. they didnt need to swing Dylan in the air by his leg and throw him against the wall then stomp on him. this is the only way he could have that many injuries. there is clearly more to the story no one is telling. A dream catcher huh? no way!!
Just in my opinion, she keeps crying, but I don't believe she is crying for Dylan - I think she's crying because they got caught.
Well said ! I agree !!
Not one damn real tear! Sorry excuse for a mother.
true. and it didn't even seem like it was real crying
Dope sick, postpartum depression and a newborn dont mix. Period. She should've left that baby at the hospital and never looked back.
I don’t even believe her tears are real she can be crying one minute then quite aggressively say she can’t remember how that poor baby got his injuries but if she is crying your right it’s tears for herself! What a sad sad case 😢
I dont think a shoplifting charge is the elephant in this room
More like the mouse in the room.
@Kim Morgan TRUTH!! YOU SHOULD BE AN ATTORNEY!! 😂
Pfffffffft you’re not kidding! What a statement for his lawyer to make 🤦🏻♀️ the state attorney is the only one I don’t want to punch. Lol
Frankly I think the elephant in the room is this lying piece of crap in a green shirt. His idiot attorney is feeding him his lies! What sort of a father accuses his own son of essentially lying about the urine samples he provided🤷♀️
Far from it. Typical lawyer for the defense..
If only Dylan had been able to stay with his Foster mummy, Andrea Bowling. He would be a healthy, happy and truly loved little boy right now 💙🕊💔
Omg Andrea thank you for your pain
The baby should have never , ever left the hospital with a drug addict...
He didn’t! He went to Foster care and Child Services returned him.
@@crawleyr4919 Yes, but poor baby Dylan was there only for abt 12 days. He should have been allowed to stay in that safe, loving, cosy home until his tiny system was completely drug-free. Also, of course, not until Both his parents had been monitored, assessed and deemed fit to care and keep him safe from harm of any kind.
@@redmarilynn yep- they should also be held accountable. I was a Public Health Nurse- CPS ALWAYS brought out a nurse with them if a baby was missing appts. I’m so angry
@@crawleyr4919 IKR. Why, why did CPS - after finding him a safe loving environment - not leave him there longer. The daily pain Little Dylan suffered must have been excruciating.
@@redmarilynn it’s unthinkable! Now I’m watching the trial of Chris McNabb and Courtney Bell- 2 other monsters that killed their baby. I guess I’m a glutton for pain watching this stuff... (taking break from politics, lol)
A couple hours after a social worker visited him he died ?! These social workers need punishment they're literally not examining children not following their guts and failing kids !!!
I was a public health nurse that often accompanied CPS workers out to homes so that I could examine a baby who has missed appts! Ohio needs to take a good look at this.
Yes, lots of them are but NOT ALL. They’ve got TONS of work and very little pay - the burn out is the worst. As I said in another post: Pay case managers even HALF of what is paid to entertainers & athletes, and take care of human beings!!! Our cultural priorities are effed up.
@Michelle Nash That’s one HUGE sweeping generalization you’re making, there.
I know from watching trials in my home state of Georgia that CPS is required to physically examine the child, down to a diaper change, of all kids they have to make home visits on. I’m not sure why this isn’t a rule in Ohio.
There's NO way that this baby could've had all these injuries, bruises and marks without the dad or cps seeing or knowing it!! Especially just having been there couple hours before he got MURDERED!! Cps is guilty also!
My husband would notice a mosquito bite on our children! This is sickening! I feel nauseous everytime he opens his mouth to lie.
@Michelle doe he knew the child wasn't ok and he didn't do nothing about it to keep the CPS from testing his wife's urine, it's not rocket science, we know what's up!!
Khokhi H...Totally agree with everything you said
@@healthyscents I think he didn't say anything because she was not supposed to be there unless supervised. Supervised means in the presence at all times of the one supervising which clearly he was not.
@Michelle doe were not actually talking about mosquito bites on the baby.. this was bruises and broken bones on this baby. He would have had to be deaf, dumb and BLIND to have not noticed his child was being abused.. gimme a freaking break!! 😡
@Native Nfree My ex changed a diaper when I made him. He wouldn't have noticed anything either. I sure would of course. When my kids were in daycare I checked them out every evening!
I never trusted anyone but me with my babies!
I know these "monsters" were wrong, but when is CPS going to start being held accountable? This is ridiculous
My thoughts exactly. Cps is there to protect kids when their families won't and they obviously did not protect him and neither did the people we are supposed to trust to keep children and infants safe
Agreed 💯
Yes I agree and the baby died right after CPS left. DHR and CPS are scandalous and drive families crazy. They probably after the hospital drugged her up real good being in the system.
Cps gets away with a lot! I am tryin to change those laws and I’m glad ppl like u see it!! They never do what’s best for the children and when a child is murdeted and cps is involved they should be charged as well
Yes
The baby weighed 4.5 lbs at 2 months, and the CPS worker didnt take him with her?
The system failed this child.
No, he weighed about 9 pounds. The weight you are referring to was after they pulled him out of the well and his body had loss mass due to deterioration.
@@DizzKola3 WRONG. His actual weight was 5lbs 4 oz
Yeah because our CPS system sucks!
My baby weighed that much.... The Dr told me they don't usually let premature babies go at this weight but she was doing everything she was supposed to. So, it just depends on the situation.
CPS adores severe child abusers and hates non abusers. It's a one way street with CPS.
I think social services should be up there on trial with them.
AMEN. Couldn't agree more!
Same with the judges who declare the child is no longer in danger and to return the poor children home, and government who cuts so much funding so social workers are over worked and have too many caseloads to properly focus on the high needs cases
@@ecb1979yes, the funds are given to astronauts to go to moon, stars, clouds, galaxies, milky way and to other unnamed planets to look over you, so that America can become great again
Sound like the foster mom is going to try to fight for changes
ABSOLUTELY!!!
I'm so glad he testified! He put the final nail in his coffin. What a complete idiot. The Foster mother is the only one who did not fail that precious baby.
Totally agree.. This little Dylan, little angel 😇 the Foster mum is the only one who truely cared for Dylan
Becky Dennis Agree!
And the foster mom is the only one who cried real tears.
@@patriotbella agreed ♥
Becky Dennis that foster mother was so self-less and filled with unconditional love for that little baby. My heart hurts for her. 😔
I'm so happy Daniel and Jessica decided to testify. They really showed their true colors and we and the jury saw thru their lies. They deserve the same amount of compassion as they showed their baby boy which is zero.
Right? They were all about themselves, crying cuz they were in jail, not one tear shed for their baby.
Were these new attorneys? I mean, new as lawyers?
@@niania7022I think both their attorneys were horrible, especially Daniels. She kept asking the same questions the State Attorney asked😳. I never seen the first tear fall from Jessica's eyes, she completely wasted a whole box of Kleenex that we the tax payers paid for since neither of them worked 😠😡🤬. I say lock them up, nah better yet give them the same treatment they gave Baby Dylan.
Especially Jessica. Wow
Always great when the defendants are the best witnesses for the prosecution
I am an addict in recovery from everything and I may have nodded in and out,woke up sleep walking, stayed up for seven days straight at one point and I still remember who, what and where ...fine details are blurry. But the bigger stuff that occurred I haven’t forgotten. Sober since 2012
God bless you and keep you. Happy New Year friend!!
This is so true!! No matter how strung out you are you know what is happening generally. Sequences and times and dates blur but not the framework
Congratulations 🥳 Proud of you! From Australia 🇦🇺
Congrats Laurie! I have 27 years clean, unfortunately 30 years an addict which means I raised children while on drugs. I managed to go clean while pregnant and for at least a year after. It was mainly meth. As I was terrified my children would be taken i managed to maintain for years but still my children suffered. They always do. My greatest grief was the facing the lie of being a good mother. My greatest joy is being a grandmother in recovery and assisting my children. I'm so proud of you. Your life is just beginning.
@@s.v.2796 wow.. we have a ton in common..Thank you so much, I Wanna get back at you later
"I'm gonna go ahead and talk about an incident that has happened in your life... get the elephant out of the room"
... Ma'am, *shoplifting* was certainly not the elephant...
She's incompetent and weak, which is fine given she's the defence lawyer. She probably has quarterly exorcisms.
Ok so i’m not the only one that thought “THATS THE ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM TO YOU?!?!?!?”
@@kaylabeth7286 Every sentence she uttered was shameful.
@@hilaryc3203 m a m k²©
Beauty I thought the same thing
I’m grateful that Baby Dylan had Andrea Bowling in his life for what little time he had...to experience TRUE love and caring that he so greatly deserved 💕 😔
Yes, me too. It is devastating to hear how the poor baby was suffering from drug withdrawal. Thank God he was comforted for a little while with the kindness and love of his foster mother. May his poor soul Rest In Peace.
I'm a huge nightclub bouncer n usually pretty emotionless. but this thing has got me choking back tears. this little baby had twelve days of love from a foster carer an that was all the love he ever knew 💔
Andrea Bowling is an Angel!! You can tell she lived that baby the way she was so torn up! Just so sad! Those parents should have never been given Dylan back!!
Wish Dylan had stayed with Andrea.I couldn't foster knowing that the baby would be handed to monsters.These babies don't have to die.This is never acceptable.If you do meth,get sterilized.
@@beardedloon77 I agree 💯 percent.
@1:26:28 she reveals what she's been crying about the whole time. There's no remorse or sorrow towards the horrendous existence she gave that little innocent. Her distress is because, as SHE said, "My whole life is over."
*Her* life.
What I'm feeling is beyond words.
Hopefully she’ll get the physical therapy that she needs/deserves in general population.
I hope their 15 yr old son has found some peace and healing...and is able to move on without them in his life. Poor kid! 😞
POOR KID?????? YOU HAVE TO BE KIDDING. HIS WHOLE LIFE HAS BEEN TURNED UPSIDE DOWN. HIS PARENTS ARE MURDERERS. MY GOD! WAKE UP.
I pray for this older son to be able to put his life together, and find peace and love forever. It sounds like his aunt and uncle will help him to heal.
What is wrong with you?
@@conniesabatka9925 I hope you are no longer mentally unstable.
With 15 years 😢😢he will never be healed 😢😢😢
Poor little guy, hurt badly, crying & no one to help or comfort him. This breaks my heart.
Cary Ulmer that is the saddest thing I’ve ever heard 😪
Its sickening. I do not see why we even give them food or water. Nothing. Thats what they deserve. Throw them off a cliff or something painful and absolutely free to taxpayers.
:( heart breaking.
I think he knows about brusing how could he not know
😔Wow, that is so so awful, I pictured your words and ouch, so heartbreaking. So incredibly sad.
That poor baby. OMG.
The infant did not “pass away” he was murdered.
THANK YOU!
That was the FIRST thing out of my mouth!! There's a difference...
Just wish they would “remember” how it happened
They remember what they want. And yes he is responsible!!! The court made him guardian, and he saw her hit the child. It would never have happen if she wasn't in the home. One hit she should of been gone.
@@kathleenanderson4876 maybe he suspected it was a love tap Idek honestly he apparently never thought she would do something like that because of how she was with there first child
I've had two broken ribs and the pain was pretty bad. Poor baby Dylan, so much pain and nobody to comfort him 😭
I had 3 broken ribs (#8, 9, and 10). I was in agony for 5 months. I can’t imagine how a helpless little baby would feel.
Can you even imagine torturing a defenseless little 2 month old baby! It’s just heartbreaking! I’m crying just imagining what that poor baby went through! The people that are supposed to be loving him....killing him! How dare they even get to breathe the air!
In a way I'm glad baby Dylan is not on this earth today. Not the way he went though. It's a lot to imagine what more pain he would've endured every extra day if he was still here. The parents deserve what's coming.
?? 2 months old & 4.5 lbs?? Wow !! I heard the wt but not the age until now
Very upsetting
The cry of a baby in pain is deafening. As a parent you would KNOW that clearly something was WRONG!
@@joycemckennon exactly!
Last time I checked, when you "smack" somebody, you are _HITTING_ someone.
I wouldve asked him to define the difference!
@@LikelyLeikin
It's just Ridiculous if you think about it...
Smacking, slapping, etc.
It's all a form of hitting.
Whether you're actually using your fist or your palm, you're still "hitting" the other person with a part of your body.
Goose An infant! Who would strike an infant?
@@amethystdawn9476
Hitting anybody is wrong, unless it's self defense! Period!
Goose who smacks a two month old in the head!!!🤬🤬🤬
When he said he was giving the pee to a friend I knew I was going to be watching him lie for an hour and 30 minutes 🙄
😂😂😂 I'm not laughing 😂😂😂
I am not laughing either😅😅😅
Right 😐🥴
Why though? Have you ever had to be tested and/or heard, seen, participated in getting around said testing? Cause I have and it's not easy to fool them, the only way is to use a pricey contraption and someone else's clean urine.
I wonder why he didn’t just give his friend his own urine sample?
Disgusting how organisations that are meant to protect children, fail them so miserably!!!
CPS is a joke and has been for decades.
First of all, if this baby was born with drugs in his system, the baby is removed from his or her family's home. Therefore the baby should not have been released with his Mom and Dad until he was out of woods from withdrawal 's from these drugs. Why didn't the hospital keep him? In so much as the Mom and Dad had been doing Methanmetiphine during her pregnancy and the baby being born with this drug in his system why was the child not taken from the parents,placed in foster care and for the forseeable future until they got clean themselves? This is not in anyway excusing what the Mom did intentionally or unintentionally but the hospital dropped the ball.
CPS is there to protect the government and to help prosecute crimes. They pick and choose whom they serve in accordance with their yearly budget. Protecting children is pretty far down on the list of their priorities.
This guy is liar. He's blaming it on his wife but he's just as guilty
He sure is
He is worse in my eyes blaming it all on his wife. He was the one who was suppose to be looking after dilan in his care, she was not allowed to live at home
He should be jailed for stupidity aside from the main charges
How are we the only ones who know hes a liar. Just look at his body language, especially his eyes. Also if we look at his antecedent crimes and wrong doings, there are all centered around being dishonest to law enforcement and to CPS even before the crime happened. He’s deceitful and this in itself is proof that he has no trouble lying. Also, his sons urine sample that he “gave to his friend “ is a clear and obvious sign. He thinks that if he admits a smaller deception or less grandeur, they will believe him to be truthful. he is a liar, as are most addicts and I hope they both rott in jail
Exactly. If he felt his baby was threatened in anyway he should have reported it. Now he’s just blaming his wife for everything. He lived there, he could have stopped her from killing the baby.
I am a 17 year old with a 15 month old, and I’ve had my share of struggles and frustrations, but my daughter is the best thing that’s ever happened to me. These people never loved Dylan and it had nothing to do with drugs, simply there lack of parental morals.
Devon keep being a good parent. Children must be protected at all costs. Do not trust anyone with your child that's new in your life, please be careful. Im proud of you you can do this!
good luck!
raise that little girl good, we believe in you :)
It's the drugs. It makes you lose your morals and kills your Spirit which makes you not have any guilt of wrong doing.
How is everything are u coping okay?
Connie Sabatka- There are many drug addicts who don’t beat or kill their children. The majority cause self harm.
There is no way they are together for 24 years, both have histories of drug use and he didn't know she was using. He's lying. I highly suspect they were using together
Of course they were! There is a lot that prosecutor never even asked that I’m curious about. What did they tell their 14yo about where the baby went?
Gee! Do you think? Lol
An addict can pick a user a mile away.
@@crawleyr4919 so much! The prosecutors left so much opened. It was not very detailed oriented at all.
Hello Brittabug,
You are correct.
Both has used drug together.
Mom and dad are pathetic.
He is a liar.
How can he not seen the bruises on the baby's body.
He admitted to seeing her hit/slap their newborn baby and did nothing!! After that (arguably well before) it should have been GAME. OVER. Period. There is zero excuse, zero justification and zero reason for EVER striking a newborn baby. And he said “yes I saw that but it wasn’t enough to cause those injuries” disgusting and total negligence in every way 😡
I missed or haven't heard the part yet about him seeing her hit the baby! To an infant!? Horrible
If i believed my baby died from SIDS.. why would i bundle him up and throw him down a well??? This guy is unbelievable!
When I was nearly 4, my baby sister died of SIDS. This father is despicable. He has no genuine grief let alone trauma about the murder of the baby and his statements are ridiculous. There is no excuse for not calling 911 except this drug abuser didn't want anyone to find the broken bones nor the fractured skull of the baby.
Yeah and when did SIDS cause broken bones and bruises???????????????
Daniel Groves under redirect from his attorney says: "I thought he just died of SIDS." Then he says: " I was afraid because she said she would blame me." when asked why he didn't report his son's death to child services. Sudden infant death syndrome clearly implies that it's no one's fault; the child simply died. Well if he honestly thought that the child died of SIDS why would his wife threaten to blame him? Moreover, why would this threat prevent him from reporting the death if he honestly thought the child died from SIDS? He's lying.
I totally agree with you! He's definitely lying!
@@Ronai991 It's too bad the prosecutor didn't pick up on that. Those are the kinds of conflicting testimonies that trial lawyers dream of.
Exactly
He'd probably say that he didn't know that "nobody would be blamed"
@@cats17100 If he didn't know no one was to blame then his statement, that he thought the child died of SIDS is a lie, as SIDS implies that the death was natural.
One is as guilty as the other, one did it, the other allowed it.
I totally agree Diamond
CPS is also at fault!
I agree with you
Aided and abetted.
She should have had an abortion, then they wouldn't have gotten in trouble. 😊
Kids can be troublesome, mom should have known better.
This guy is unbelievable. He knows exactly what happened. Disgusting waste of life. CPS needs to be investigated for sure. They failed that baby.
I agree with you , the so called father knows exactly what happened his just as guilty as he's wife is !
I hope you are not a social worker
I agree! Lay Crisis Counselor/First Responder/Foster/Adopt parent 45yrs in Seattle area!
@@colleenshea2293A couple hours after Social Workers were there Baby Dillon died! 🤔 Yep trust them!
Wow you're pretty
He calls Dylan “the child.” This man doesn’t give a crap about his baby.
I was going to write that same thing
What is the time stamp when he said that?
Just wondering im not taking his side at all but the only time i heard anything like that was around the 5 min mark
@@jerrywhat4799 around 53:40 he says it, but thats only something I just caught now.
You would think if you're spending that much time with a baby you would bond to it more than "the child" 🙄 but idk, he could be disssociating or trying to approach it clinically to remain calm or something
Why was a talking, walking 15 years removed by cps and a helpless baby left?
The baby was missing. They wanted to pick him up, too, but he was missing and the parents were not communicating with CPS.
They had went to take both children but Dylan was already dead and missing
@@clairenisbet5869 had GONE, not had went.
Maybe you should look at all the trails on dylan case you would know instead of asking this.
@@lionswimmer4637 get a life please
Can someone just give her a hearing aid, she's literally the only person that can't hear.
That's what I was thinking 🤣
She's old 😂😂😂
@@JG-bi3he NOOOOOOOO she is just stupid and dithery
That's what I was thinking too
NO! If I could afford hearing aids, I wouldn't be reading movies!
Years ago when my grandson was a running toddler, I was taking him and my granddaughter, his twin sister to a local "Play Land" for kids. On the way he unbuckled his car seat harness, crawled up on the flat deck under the rear window. I pulled over, scolded him and buckled him back in. The fourth time I had to pull over to buckle him in, I took him out of his car seat and paddled his butt over a thick huggie. It didn't happen again, and we had a great time. My grandson is now a 6 foot 16 year old. I'm now 67, and have literally been upset to tears over it all these years. He laughed and says he doesn't remember it, but I do. How this couple could beat their baby to death is beyond my ability to comprehend it.
He's full crap nobody can be this blind to what was going on in his own home. He did nothing to protect his baby
Because he himself was high as well!
@@ceecee333 I understand what your saying but the bruising how can he miss that
@@hollyberry2752 He is lying like a rug ! Lol
Nothing to protect the baby is different than actually doing the murder. The CPS knew of this issue and did nothing to protect the baby either.
@@trailtrs1 very true
She crying because she is going in prison and will be separated from her husband. Also crying because she need drugs
she.ll get drugs in jail. she will also be beat for this.
@@amandabialkowski9131 yep
She’ll get dealt with in prison. Everyday I hope!
@@amandabialkowski9131 nope people in prison that care about their kids and can't even see them kill b****** like this
Turned off and on the fake tears
I honestly believe when the autopsy photos were being shown in court, those two POS should have been FORCED to see every last one of them so they never forget what they did to that poor little angel's body.
I totally agree 👍
YES they should of forced them to look, all those poor people on the jury have to see them how awful must that be so yeah the least they could do is look at the damage they caused to that poor defenceless baby.
How could he even answer the question about if the childs head looked bruised at death the same as it looked in the autopsy photos. His answer was no but when they were showing the photos in court his eyes were closed with his fingers over his eyes. He's lying.
@@karenwood2615 absolutely agree.
Wouldn’t matter. They are psychopaths so it wouldn’t faze them whatsoever.
This precious infant baby was brutalized. The baby should NEVER have left the hospital with these parents, especially giving the Mother daytime visits supervised by the husband. Children's Protective Services failed this baby miserably as they do with so many cases. There is so much guilt in this case - just unbelievable.
He didn’t leave the hospital with them. He had a very loving foster mom who took him and had him for the first 12 days of his life. Then he was ripped away from her and given to these 2 monsters by CPS. It makes the entire thing that much worse. They MISERABLY failed him and should be held accountable. He had someone who truly loved him and was able to care for him but instead he was tortured to death because of CPS’s decision.
@@Ash-kb9hn. Really poor baby this could have been prevented
She’s a monster!
@@marjurypatriciacapizzi ....The husband is just as much to blame as she is.
If he thought the baby had just died...not due to injuries or murder..then why not call 911?
The wife she would blame him for the entire death and he didn’t want to get I trouble
@@amberpetty4390 He was a battered man!
Because he knew the cause of death was beating, that's why. He's lying in court.
He claims they had bad cell service. He also says Jessica badgered him that he would be blamed for everything because he had custody of the baby... which is true. He had custody and endangered his welfare by allowing Jessica around him. Part of me believes some of his story but then he starts talking about how Dylan never had any injuries and it flies right out the window. Your child’s arm was broken in multiple places, his leg was broken, and you were bathing your baby, changing your baby, and you didn’t know that? Impossible.
Exactly. Any caring, loving, compassionate parent would do the obvious thing.
He should have kept his lieing mouth shut. He takes no responsibility for anything. He is as guilty as she is.
Candy Chazel
Huh?
Candy Chazel Are you on crack? That made no sense
ooofff TRUE THAT!
@@EYE_GOTCHA she meant after 24yrs marriage he stabbed her in the back!
Lieing?? Its spelt Lying! Not meant to nit pick, for some reason I always spell with.... withe!? I have a masters in English Literature!😂🙋♀️🕊
I feel terrible for the older brother. Im sure he is traumatized, confused, angry, and depressed. Imagine having to testify against your parents for murdering your bany brother and discarding him like a piece of trash. So sad.
Same as that I feel really awful for that poor boy I’m sure he has saw so much pain and neglect his whole life I actually dread to think what these children in these households go through. His mother and father destroyed his life I so hope he is somewhere where he gets a good shot at life.
I pray as well that he can remain with his aunt and uncle prayerfully they’re going to give him the love he needs and getting him some help with some type of therapy because he’s going to need someone to help him cope with all this.
And then be essentially called a liar by said parents.
There's no way this kid hasn't been traumatized in that home with parents addicted to hard drugs.
I keep wondering who cared for him in the chaos of days after the hospital birth. Where was child services for him during those 3 months after the baby was returned to Sr’s custody.
So let's see: Daniel didn't know his wife was doing drugs. Didn't know she was pregnant. Didn't know she was missing prenatal appointments. Didn't know she was not going to Majahgen or drug rehab or continuing her drug use. Didn't know she was beating their son to death. We all know he knew EVERYTHING because he could not stand up to her and whatever she said or wanted or told him to do he would do. He got her drugs. He let her harm Dylan.
yup...because he was seeing it, hearing it and gosh darn, he was probably beating it too....but CPS was more concearned with re-uniting then protecting, it should be called child/parent reunification, not child protective services.. not whats in the best interest of the child..
He didnt call 911 when he found his baby cause he didnt want them to see his bashed in skull and broken shattered limbs!! He knew that baby died from obvious visual injuries! You're not fooling anyone bud
A CPS WORKER SAW THIS BABY BEFORE HE DIED THE SAME DAY. JESUS
She started to cry in her testimony but then got defensive. 😡 she may not be employed any longer
@@crawleyr4919 I do not think she should be
She didn’t see the baby properly . 😡
If she had she would have seen the trauma.
I hope she feels bad for the rest of her life.
He was probably dead when she seen him
@@crawleyr4919 that's was when she said march 28.
They would be high as hell right now if they were not caught they are crying for themselves
Soooo TRUE
my exact thoughts!😓
So true
Sandy Trantham,sooo true and the fact I have Not Seen Him Cry Once for his baby,ONLY Her and it's because she wants sympathy from him and others!!! They Both make me sick SMFH😠🤢😠
@Andrew Orahoske believe me there are plenty drugs in prison.
Let me just say this if I ever were to walk in on my husband hitting/shaking our son it would be the last thing he ever did.
Yes! Same here. I catch anybody hurting my children and I'm going for blood.
Dylan had to be crying constantly. She broke his bones.
O Comino Yes so heartbreaking
I bet that baby was screaming, not just crying! Can you imagine having those fractures and just crying?
It's so so sad 😭 breaking bones,babies bones are soft,so a lot of force was used! How on a 4 lb baby? How!!!!!!!????????
Maybe the drugs found in his body were maybe given to make him stay quite.
@@jdodd2798 yeah....so much pain and absolutely no way to make it better...can't talk to anyone.
I can not understand how this father sits there & answer's all these questions about his sweet little infant being broken & killed & Not ONE Tear!!!! Unfathomable!!!!
After he looked at his psychotic wife crying he immediately tried to fake it as well.
ONLY THINKING OF THE BAG OF METH AT HOME WAITING FOR HIM
People grieve in different ways. Not everyone shows emotion by crying.
That must have been so hard for foster mum to stay throughout this trial. She is an amazing good hearted woman
She may just have you fooled as well.
@@pamelamorris3148 why would you say that?
@@pamelamorris3148 and why would you feel that way?? She loved that baby and stopped her life and took off of work to be there for him...... really why do you think that?
@@pamelamorris3148 Is there something you know about her that we don't know?
@@pamelamorris3148 ????
I truly hope they are being treated accordingly by the other inmates
Paul Flores who murdered Ms Smart, was beaten badly in prison just recently so jail house justice still lives.
They can't escape GOD'S Justice!
@@cristineconnell7803 They can't escape the beatings they will receive from the inmates. If you think god has that kind of control why didn't god protect Dylan?
@@cristineconnell7803You’re so right
Amen!
Omg, everything you need to know is when this man calls his own deceased son “the child”... disgusting!
Emotional distance. No bonding. Not caring.
@@hilaryc3203: Irrelevant to the murder. Not all people are touchy-feely and empathetic.
@@solitairecatnaps4444 True, but most people do have a reaction to their child being slaughtered.
Honestly think both of his arms should be broken. IMO
@@hilaryc3203 facts 💯
Why the hell are they allowed to sit there together and communicate with each other??
JusticeAA did not know that about the law.
Remmus ‘ and no handcuffs around waist or like Jody a shock belt
I was wondering the same thing ...you say this and I'll say that. .......?There is no way that after living together more than 20 years that you don't know that your partner was using and abusing....he is certainly lying.
I'm surprised by that too. Even if they are codefendants, you don't usually see that in court. I don't think it should be allowed, but I guess that's are lovely justice system. She keeps writing notes to him!
@@lovepet4565 No. That will come at the end after the verdict.
He sure gets assertive when being cross-examined but can’t stand up to his wife?
Excellent point.
100%! Spot on !
My thoughts exactly
Cardinal rule: you can never.. and I mean never - trust that a drug addict or alcoholic is telling the truth.
As someone who struggled with infertility and was not able to get pregnant this case just makes me literally sick to my stomach. When we adopted our daughter I spent the whole first night awake watching my daughter sleep. She kept making little noises and I was worried. I wanted to be awake if there was a problem. These two are monsters.
You are a wonderful mom and your daughter is very lucky ❤
I can't figure out why so many people who want children are infertile and vice versa. I personally know a terrible mother and she has 7 biological children. I don't have any kids but I have lots of rescue animals.
So happy for you to have a precious daughter to love and be loved in return.
Did they get death penalty?
@@szatanowska no
I feel like every single time he says “absolutely” or “absolutely not” he’s LYING 🤥
It’s an Ohio thing. All of my aunts respond that way. Drives me batty
AGREE
Exactly! It's like when someone answers your question with your question: Do you think you made mistakes? Do I think I made mistakes, yes...BUT...
And also when someone says "honestly" before they answer a question.
That is actually a tell tale sign he is lying. That and when they say things like Can not or did not. Moat people use contractions and don't place emphasis on things when telling the truth
It's really common, the detective does it too all the time.
Why were they able to take the baby home knowing Jessica tested positive for drugs?
@OhHell_TooTheNo Gee im a nurse..it was the firat question in my mind. Lets start from the beginning ya know? If he were never allowed to leave with a drug addicted mother he would still be alive!!
She apparently was not meant to be living in the address when he returned home with their baby
The dad was testing “negative” for drugs so they gave him the okay to have Dylan and as for the mom they ordered for her to go to therapy and classes and she wasn’t allowed to be living in the house or around Dylan until they saw improvement but they clearly cheated the system and the system let them
In New Orleans I had a friend give birth to a baby she said she didn’t know she was pregnant. Both her and the baby tested positive for drugs and the baby ended up in the nicu. They were willing to let her take that baby home with her (after she got out of the nicu) alone as long as she took some drug classes and there was a representative (friend or family - she was going to pick her drug addicted boyfriend) that would check in on them every week and sign off that they were doing ok.... this happens everyday it’s heartbreaking.
The nurses’ testimonies describe that women give birth to drug addicted babies daily, and that’s in one hospital. I can’t imagine how many more children would be wards of the state if they weren’t allowed to go home with parents who are using, but which is better? Both the state and addicted parents are apathetic caretakers with no regimented schedule or ability to help a child thrive.
Gotta love how All of these murderers start bawling when they’re in Court. Makes me sick!
He’s been gaslighted by a narcissistic witch for 24 yrs 🤯 Still he’s also responsible for Dylan’s death.
Charlon Lindström I believe your first sentence, but not your second. He was undeniably controlled by this monster!!!
yeah you're right. But he, at some point, sold his soul to the devil and it all led up to this. Life is a really insane journey. I watch Court TV and learned of so many horrid things people do to one another. It isn't like all drug addicts or homeless people or immigrants. It scares me there are people out there I might have met that seemed so "normal" and nice. Inside they might have been completely wicked.
You said it!! She's destroyed an entire family. I heard the judge say he shows no remorse, I disagree. He deserves to be punished for his part in this but the death of Dylan sits squarely on that crazy, careless bitch.
Yep yep yep yep yep
Been there done that in reverse
heaven I have to step away from it sometimes. It is scary bc these are the ppl who have been caught and are now being prosecuted.
What scares me is there are ppl at this very moment, who haven't yet done the thing. Is it my neighbor? Boyfriend? The guy in line waiting to buy the loaf of bread and milk in his hands? In my area in Hawaii, there has been a trend lately of older ladies getting robbed at gunpoint by punks. Guns crimes are in the news every week now and it was very rare before. One guy got robbed of $20 at gunpoint during the middle of the day.
Our system is like California's. We are very easy on criminals.
Who smacks a newborn regardless?!?!
EXACTLY. There is not a single thing ANYONE could EVER say to justify that!
I have two kids and I know how hard and frustrating it can be, but no amount of frustration could ever make me hurt my children. Ever. This is sickening.
A monster that’s who 😑😔
@@shawnabarnett7008 girl I'm with you... My baby had colic when she was first born and it drove me absolutely bonkers....I just had to let her cry and comfort her.. That's all u can do...I could never imagine harming my sweet baby...
I am afraid to hold one..they are so fragile. People are sick.
omg he smacks the baby 😭
The foster mother should have been able to keep baby Dylan.
This is EXACTLY why I couldn't be a foster mom😪
He might be alive today
I just don’t understand how that baby wasn’t crying constantly in pain! How can ANYONE ignore this??
Why the heck don’t they give everyone a microphone since everyone seems deaf
Sorry, I couldn't hear your comment. CAN YOU SPEAK UP SO THE PEOPLE IN THE BACK CAN HEAR
I think they actually need a megaphone!!
😂😂😂
Seriously.. that drive me crazy!
The Judge is an idiot for letting that go on.
If they didn’t want the baby, had no intention of caring for him, why not give him up to someone who would love him?
$ they killed him and kept receiving benefits for him I'm 100,000% sure
@@deeniegrana6512 EBT, medicaid, and welfare benefits, I'm sure. That poor baby was nothing more than a paycheck for these two murderous druggies.
The foster mother cared deeply for Dylan. She should've been allowed to adopt him.
I will never understand that.
@@deeniegrana6512 They didn't have enough time to collect any benefits before they were arrested.
He should have never tried to covered for the wife by wrapping and dumping that precious baby into a well. He has to pay for doing this.
And I have the feeling that he feels because he didnt "Kill"the baby that his crime is somehow less than hers.
Your right although he didn’t kill him he didn’t do the right thing and protect him when he was alive let alone in death poor poor baby 😢🙏
Tragically, the authorities might have believed he hurt the baby as she threatened him to tell them he did it. She has the tears and "poor me" act very well rehearsed. It just doesn't work with a dead baby thrown down a well and him not taking her garbage anymore. It would have been far better if he had called 9-1-1 when Dylan died and taken his chances with the truth. In that way, most of those charges would not have been filed and he would not be spending most of the rest of his life in prison. She sure did a number on him convincing him they would believe her!!!
Glenna Rose I think your right...they probably would have believed her. Bottom line, the best thing he could have done was left that baby safe and sound with the foster mom. They have sought return of custody only once they were both completely off drugs, out of the criminal lifestyle, and gainfully employed with the resources to love and care for Dylan well. How sad that a beautiful baby like that wasn’t enough to make them want to make a positive change in their lives.
He was protecting himself because he watched her beat that baby Dylan and did nothing.
I'm holding my baby now, crying imagining this little angel suffered at the hands of his own mother even before he was born. His dad never fought for his safety. There's no way he didn't know his wife was off her rocker. Dylan crying from broken bones would be impossible not to notice.
I'm just thankful Dylan felt love and hopefully some peace while he was with his foster mother. She loved him so much before she even knew him and got everything she needed for him with in a few hours. I can't imagine how she must feel.
I cannot wrap my head around how many people failed this child🤬 in my opinion they should all be held accountable!!!!
He's an awful parent.his wife was killing his son violently and he just sat there doing nothing
He was at work and didn't come home til after the baby was in bed, as testified by his older son, that his father worked long hour's.
Don't think he knew
He did something either smoked crack or shot up heroine
@@pamelamorris3148 Not so sure I trust him. My 5 lb baby slept by our bed and I had to feed her what felt like constantly. How could he not notice.
@@pamelamorris3148 huh? That's not true. What trial are you watching? Not this one. Mother, father, Dylan & CW were all in the home when Daniel Jr. came home from school...late hours 🤦🏻♀️ A neighbor told police multiple times the parents leave early AM on the 4-wheeler and come back late at night. Father knew when Daniel Jr. didn't get off the school bus. Police apprehended the parents starting at 4:30PM. I'm hoping you're trolling
He knew his wife was doing drugs while pregnant. To me that is involvement.
Complicit in the crime.
I’m sure he was right there doing drugs with her!
Her body her choice right?
@@ringsofsaturnn6153 I don’t know if you are being serious or sarcastic but when someone is pregnant it’s not their body. It’s two. The baby inside has no choice. It’s both of their jobs to protect that baby and they both failed.
@@pamelasmith6221 the point is there is nothing to be done.. the unborn have no legal rights.. that is how a large portion of the country wants it.. sick but true.. she can literally throw it in the trash and there is nothing dad can do.
Daniel exhibits no empathy, warmth or love for Dylan as he is cross examined. His testimony really helped put the last nail in his coffin. Their strategy of making him come off as an innocent bystander failed completely. He really showed his true colors.
You took a premature baby with drug withdrawal out to your work shed in the middle of winter in Ohio to “change his environment?” What?
Oh and that made him stop crying... this guy was planning on killing this baby the whole time
@@phyllysanantonio what's that she puts her finger on?
@@lenas5613 mute button on their mic
Seriously. All his testimony is waaaay out there.
When the lawyer was asking the father about the injuries to the baby, the father was so emotionless. He was talking about fractures and bruising and yet he didn't shed a tear.
That was completely creepy to watch. “Where were you when your baby was dying?!” “Outside or around the house I guess.” Ugh!!! No emotions. No remorse. “No I didn’t fail to protect my son.” I’m.... what????!!!!!! Piece of garbage!!!!
No emotion
Also when his wife testified. He hardly looked at her. He did this. Healing fracture? Poor baby must have been in horrible pain.
Defence Lawyer: "When the baby passed away". HE did not pass away, this innocent baby was violently murdered!! How can you protect these evil People, how do you sleep at night!
If I am not mistaken these lawyers don't get to choose if the want to defend or not.
They are assigned through the state.
And so even if the don't want to defend according to law they have to give relevant arguments and make best of the situation. I am not sure, i think this is the case here. That's how things work here in Sweden at least.
Honestly i don't think any human being would actually want to help this couple from the bottom of their hearts due to the heartbreakingly cruel crime they have committed.
@@monirarasekh1144 you're 100% correct. The same is true for here in the USA. Very rarely are they ever permitted not to take the case.
Also, these lawyers believe everybody deserves fair defense. I'm sure she's defended some people who were legitimately innocent. Regardless, it has to be such a difficult job.
I’d imagine she sleeps in a nice, big, expensive lawyer bed. And that’s how she keeps protecting trash; she gets paid well to do so
@@Katerina-xf3gj hahahaha these are public defenders. They are the lowest paid attorneys. And they work to give everyone a fair defense as are the rights of the legal system. But they don't get to chose their cases and have to provide a legal defense. Also if they don't try the case will go to a mistrial and they people will be released. And/or it will cost the taxpayers more money for a trial and legal defense. It is the law they try and they don't get to chose
Daniel just doesn't get it. He is responsible for his son's horrible death by allowing Jessica to beat this baby to death. In his mind, he has no accountability.
Either way they are both guilty.
His attorney says, "let's address the elephant in the room...you have a shoplifting charge from Kroger." Seriously? I really don't think stealing from Kroger is the big, unsaid thing everyone is wondering about. Both of the defense attorneys are so odd.
Exactly 🙄 nobody cares about this bum shoplifting. The elephant in the room is this horribly subservient, pathetic, weak excuse of a man participated, at the least allowed his son to be murdered.
This man is trash 🗑 and will be judged by his maker.
I'm sure they're the attorney s who are appointed when they can't afford one 😂
They do take into an account your criminal history, dear. Your character and such
His attorney is incredibly annoying!
Since I doubt these defense attorneys are privately hired - pretty sure they are court appointed, I kind of feel for them getting stuck with these two to defend - especially defending Jessica. I agree that they are annoying and really they don't have a whole lot to work with. I wonder how long they have been lawyers and what their win/loss record is. I also agree that they don't appear to be the sharpest crayons in the box.
All these people that had part in child services that made the decision to give that baby back to these dopeheads should all be fired.. they should not be making decisions for any child!! This baby’s death is on them along with these parents ..the system is so broken! This is heartbreaking ..
Agreed
Right! Either they are giving children back to parents that they shouldn't be, or they are taking children from parents when they should not be! The whole CPS system is a mess and should not be trusted.
!!!
What changed from the day Dylan was born and the time he was given to those people called parents ,nothing had changed CPS what were they thinking!!!!!
Social worker here...I can’t speak for the specific worker on the case and they have admitted to mishandling the case but, I just want to say that the courts hold all of the power in what happens to children and when they are moved. We give input but I can’t tell you how many times a judge has gone against my recommendation. The system as a whole is awful but workers can only do so much. I know that’s not what anyone wants to hear when it comes to children’s lives but it’s the truth.
I’m so disgusted by these two. Sickening that they threw away the life of their baby Dylan.
that fake crying the whole way through rubbing those tissues on her face must be raw from rubbing the sociopath dry eyes
The last 15 minutes of her fake crying!! I have never seen anyone cry that long without wiping tears coming out the eyes, she must be the only human monster that can cry through her nose! Seen her wipe her eyes 2 times. She's wiping her dry nose with the same tiseue!! FAKE CRYING TO THE MAX!
I don't think the woman is the sociopath in this couple. The fact that you see her sobbing the whole time is indicative of something else going on in her head. It very much appears that she, over the years, has tricked her brain to believe her manipulative emotional outbursts (pointing outwards) to be real emotions of the persona (pointing inwards). Jessica truly believes that what she feels is her own real sadness and remorse, but it isn't. And we recognise this difference, making her seemingly without conscience or faking emotions for effect. But in reality I think, she can not distinguish between fake and real. This is what I see and what I think of it.
She used the tissue to cover her face from embarrassment... She is a POS
I want to give her something to cry about!
He doesn’t seem like a grieving father. It just seems like he is trying to save himself.
NO EMOTIONS! Monster.
That’s what I’m saying!! All of his replies are selfpreservation
Could it be he is drained if a emotions?
She was sick, he protected her out of fear
All manipulation....
So he was worried about “marijuana” in his pee for his “friends” test but not his own to get his son back?
If Daniel had truly collected urine for his "friend" the defense could have called that "friend " to testify that what Daniel was saying was true. So my question is why would defense leave out a critical witness.
That lawyer woman with the glasses gets on my nerves
She ain’t got a clue what she’s doing!
She's horrible... none of the questions have any meaning at all...
I cringe when she is questioning🤦♀️
Ugh I so agree! So terrible.
I believe she was trying to prove him innocent
i’ve been thinking this the whole time. i’m only in prelaw and i feel like i could’ve done better than her. (not that i would ever wanna rep this guy) all she did was make people repeat the same things and make huge stretches trying to trip up the experts.
I watched the very end, where she pretends to cry and lean to him for support, laying on his shoulder at one point, and it made me so happy to know they’d never see each other again and they’ll both be miserable and alone until they die.
Your comment is 6 months ago but I'm jus reading it
Yes I agree it's satisfying to know these two creatures can't spread their evilness on to the remaining son
She's probably going nuts not having that pathetic husband of hers around to bully and do her biddiny
What a disgusting a pair
That video footage of them after Daniel Sr testify is very telling. You can see how manipulative Jessica is. She gets what she wants from Daniel by crying. She tried that when she was on the stand but no one was buying it. If not for the actions of Jessica Groves Dylan would be alive. I wonder if they thought ahead enough to have a name picked out before he was born.
@@benitasmith2840
You are so right also imo she probably has been scheming and bullying people forever it's amazing how the toxic pair thought bcuz they had gotten away with all their lies to CPS and everybody that they could do the same with the court and jury Daniel is pathetic he was on the stand making a fool of himself with his lies and explanations all to protect her he didn't realize he was digging a hole for himself
Yes. Watching that interaction afterwards was very telling. Jessica is such a manipulator! All that crying was for nobody but herself.
Thank you for this comment because it just made me feel so much better
Can you imagine asking your 14yr old son to pee for you for a pee test? sick. all of this.
It is actually quite common... even if the child was only asked once. If not the child, then a friend. It's the life of an addict. My mother was an addict and she made me pee in a cup for her multiple times when I was a child. She even asked me to do it for her a few years ago (early 20s). I was flabbergasted and just walked away.
It is actually very common, I went to have labs drawn at lab core & there was a man outside & he asked if I could pee in a cup for him. He offered to pay me for my pee. I was shocked! I told the lab tech & they wrote his information down.
They both did drugs, they were both guilty
Why did he want son to do pee test
@@reg8297 so the father would pass a drug test. You can see that in the pee. Sorry for the bad english.
As a mother of 3 children I can say 2 month old baby will cry from slightest discomfort such as a scratchy clothing. And when they are in hurt they are usually screaming "bloody murder". You can not miss the pain crying in a baby. This 2 monsters let their child suffer so much and endure such a horrific pain, eventually killing him. I wish someone would hurt them as much. And to add, I had rib fracture, the pain it caused was unbearable for first 4 weeks. All I could do is sit in a same position. Moving my arms or laying down was impossible. Breathing was very hard to do. This baby was in so much pain, it bring tears to my eyes. As a parent you do everything in your power to protect your children from harm. But not this 2 monsters. They don't deserve to live and breathe.
VERY WELL SAID!
He set there and basically called his own son a liar on top of all the other trauma that has been inflicted on him over the years!! 😡 this poor kid will never be the same after all of this 💔😢
He also acts like when he is sole provider he didn’t know if his wife got care or not
I call BS
What a coward. He would protect neither of his sons. Both depended on him. Could not see his son but from listening, he sounds truthful, and was most unfortunate arriving in this house.
He probably remembers it vividly.. he probably has some guilt, himself.. poor guy :(
And the added burden of having same name as his murderous father
He’s not even showing any emotion over the loss of his baby and he has the nerve to say he’s innocent!
Hes lying 🤥
I'm not saying he's innocent or telling the truth but dissociation is a real thing. I can talk about very traumatic things that have happened to me without any apparent emotion. The brain does it to protect you from the intense feelings. I don't know if that is what's happening here but I wouldn't assume if someone isn't showing emotion, that's because the person doesn't have any about the topic or is lying.
@@ginah8995 he is showing emotion. He's showing hope. He hopes he gets away with it, and the more he talks, the more confident he feels. He killed that baby.
@@Iyamyuyam I'm not saying he didn't kill the baby. I'm saying that it isn't necessarily easy to read someone's emotions when they're in high pressure situations and/or might be dissociating. He might feel both hope and guilt. He might feel nothing - we don't know, we can only speculate. My point was that when someone isn't showing a lot or anh emotion, it can be because they're dissociating from very intense emotions. And again, not saying that's what he's doing, it's just an option to throw in there
I can't stand listening to either one of these defendants. Neither one of them helped their case by testifying. I dislike them both more than I did before I heard them speak. And I did not like them one bit before they spoke. 🤬
Michelle doe stop protecting baby killers. You must be related to the baby killers or you are one yourself!
Michelle doe I usually don’t respond to comments, but your statement is incorrect. None of us were there for this, because no one would have allowed this poor child to endure this situation. It’s not judging someone when you hear evidence in a trial. Unfortunately, it’s facts, nothing more and nothing less. And the reality is if his death was somehow accidental then you would not attempt to cover it up and hide the body. Accidents do happen, but hiding the body was intentional for whatever reason... for example : fear of criminal charges, etc.
@Michelle doe Don't pay attention to these people making such judgmental comments... or stoop to their level.
I don't know how people could possibly know the life of these 2, their circumstances, drugs, history etc etc. Or whether they've even had any positive and nurturing upbringing themselves. So nice towards the end of this session, the emotions and support of each other. At least they are there for each other, regardless of the predicament they find themselves in today, to support and to love. Unfortunately for everyone else who is so quick to judge and condemn them. Can't even believe someone's comment where she thinks even Daniel Jnr's lying?? Gosh what is wrong with people!!
I hope these 2 will soon find time to grieve the loss of not only baby Dylan but Daniel as well, and to accept the mistakes that they've made and to be at peace with it and within themselves!! 💜🙏🙏
And to everyone else, well i hope you all find time to clean your hearts of evilness and hatred. So much hatred. Just saying...
@Michelle doe When you go on trial, you are there to be judged!
@Michelle doe I pray you are never called for jury duty because it would violate your "basic belief" as you have stated it here.
However, just so you know, "judge" is not the same definition as "determine" or "conclude" which is what people here are doing. People have reached a conclusion and expressed their thoughts - that is not the definition of judging.
So he changed the baby Dylan's diapers and didn't notice a leg broken thru and thru, an arm broken thru and thru and broken ribs??? He didn't realize the baby was in extreme pain when he changed him? WHAT A HUGE LIAR!
This is why defense attorneys tell you not to testify
She actually thinks she’s a young pretty woman and the jury will have compassion for her! Karma will get you bitch!
@@Midge0314 Well, she controlled her husband for over twenty years, what's a little jury?
@@Midge0314 Far far from pretty. Inside or out! Don't know what mirrors she's been looking in
Dallen pretty?!?!?
As a defendant you can make 3 decisions 1. Take a Plea Deal if one is offered 2. Jury or bench trial 3. If you want to testify on your behalf.
A smack is hitting! Really?! "I did not say hitting, I said a smack" - He gets ten years just for that statement!
This baby was two months old. You don’t smack an infant
You don't smack any child but a baby is disgusting and vile.
When he answers questions about Jessica, he drops his eyes to avoid looking directly at anyone. This is an indication he is most likely lying.
Also when he looks down and to the left is also a sign of deception/ lie.
He’s terrified of Jessica
I have a feeling that everything he attributes to Jessica is just him projecting- for example, when he claims Jessica threatened him. He might have been threatening her and keeping her from going to appointments and/or keeping her on the drugs, for all we know. I think he may have killed the baby and she confessed in order to protect him, because the son testified that he explained the baby’s injuries, and there’s no way he could have put the baby in the well and not seen his injuries. At the very least, they’re both liars.
I’m addicted to this case… but I keep skipping the part of the trial involving the foster mother because I just cannot even imagine what she is going through. Foster moms have the biggest heart of all. And I know her heart was with that little boy.
I wished I would have skipped the foster mom’s testimony! It was absolutely heartbreaking! She wanted him sooooo badly, and they just didn’t! Good thing you didn’t see it. Her testimony has stuck with me since!
Andrea Bowling’s impact statement was heartbreaking.
They don't always have a big heart. They like the check that's why most fo it to lazy to go to work outside of home.
11:29 his own words betrayed him. "Put urine in the cup" came out of his mouth instead of peed in the cup...👌
Good catch
I heard that as well...
Wait why does that matter
@@forscience9977 because if you were taking a urine test and actually urinating in the cup you would say, " I went in the restroom, peed in the cup, gave them the sample...etc" But he said he went in2 the restroom "put" the urine in the cup, etc... How do you put urine in the cup if you aren't depositing it from another source? It was a slip of the tongue that you would ONLY make subconsciously if you did in fact PUT it in the cup, not just pee in the cup....
Wow!! Ur right!! Ever think about being an attorney or detective??
Why did they not give the baby back to he foster lady? Jessica never wanted the baby. Why did children services return baby to a druggy mom and Dad. They dropped the ball, and Dillon paid the price. Jessica should get life for inflicting pain on that baby over and over.
That's the thing I don't get either, if you. don't want the baby, why fight so hard to keep it? Could it be money? If CPS takes 1 child, are the others at risk of being taken? IDK
For the extra money.. To feed their drug habit.
Lexi 777 because the foster mom would notice the injuries and have them arrested
@@sweettea6309 Thank you!
I wonder if money is a factor in reuniting children with parents as soon as possible because then they don’t have to continue to pay the foster parent.
I don’t understand how the hospital let the baby go home with them if they knew they were addicts.
Baby Dylan left the hospital with his foster mom, not Jessica and Daniel.. The county cps workers wanted to send Baby Dylan home with dad, but the hospital social workers actually fought them on it. They're the only ones who truly cared for Baby Dylan's safety... But 12 days after Dylan left the hospital with his caring foster mother, the county department of children services went ahead with their recommendation and let dad get baby Dylan, as long as mom wasn't in the home. Yet when cps did home visits, Jessica was ALWAYS there, holding baby. I'm so confused as to why they didn't take him right then and there. Idiots.
It's up to CPS. The hospital probably called the hotline but nurses can't decide if a mother can be released or not.
@@mandidc9975 thank you! I was wondering okay if she wasn't allowed to be around him.. Why were they just not taking him when they saw she was there??
@@NatzTalk because cps failed that child.
They should be investigated and brought up on charges!
@@ajordan1976 Ik girl.. Definitely. But I watched another video where the Prosecutor was like... Why did you let the Jessica there if she wasn't allowed to be and he said she was allowed to be there just not stay the night... 🙄🤷🏾♀️ so confusing.. I thought she wasn't allowed to be around the baby at all!
The 20 minutes or so of filming Daniel and Jessica after their cross examinations is very telling. They both are obviously not happy with how it turned out and Jessica manipulates Daniel with her constant crying. I think it was at this point they both realized that their strategy of getting Daniel a lighter sentence was not going to work.