I like how you told us about the secondary wall in Arena not being too close to the primary wall, and later you gave us a very good example of why this is at 21:31. Gotta love when stuff comes together like this.
I would think, in general, that arena might be difficult because the 1vX games you have done well at always included the early killing of one or two players. Regardless, it's incredible to see how big of a skill gap between players. Great content.
I think a great idea for a 1v4 would be to play using 'Marco' and 'Polo' cheat codes. It would be interesting to see how you adapt, knowing what they are up to. 😂
10:03 damn, I wanted to see what the "neat trick" was. It's always fascinating to see what creative tricks the pros can pull off. Also, I didn't think those organ guns could be so amazing!
@@AlphaSections Or maybe he showed "the trick", he made scout disappear, similar on how Daut sometime microes archers to heaven :) Just kidding, gate trick would have been neat yea.
Nice video, thank you, Hera! Better luck next time! After you nuked greens horses and could have brought some guns back to defend. Maybe 10-15 guns or so, as you already saw yellow wanting to push north. Then you could have continued to push red and kept yellow at bay, maybe? Slow army is really tough, true, but I had expected you to push red much faster, right when green bailed. I loved how you considered every building this fight. Looked so clean! Nice video, thank you, Hera
I think you needed to push into green as fast as possible. There were three minutes (22 to 25ish) after you had your castle up and busted his walls but didn't rush right in. It probably wouldn't have made a difference, but I sensed when watching you almost "respected" him too much. Your organs weren't being lured into a trap the poor guy was just panicking (like I and most viewers would have).
Is there a way you can set your pop to the equivalent of the 4 players (800 pop for you, but still 200 pop for them)? Might even it out a little more in the late game.
Really excellent game as always, but honestly I think going against this many players on arena is almost guaranteed to be a slowly losing battle on account of how much the walls fundamentally dissuade early rushes. Allowing these players, even low skill ones to boom often will just lead to death no matter what you do. (I think if there had been only three you could have managed personally)
What you were missing was bbt as a Portuguese main that's a must in these cases because you are investing your pop on fatoria so you gotta get pop capped with army and start pushing with bbt to secure the ground reason is literally what you see you need a big mass and you can't pitch the fight so you now have to force them to pick the fight you want because it's hard to push because of bbt
One crazy way my friend and i won a 2v4 (after our teammates were defeated) was to put everything into a single deathball, let the opponents destroy our bases and simply roam the map with our deathball until we'd destroyed everything
i still love the series even if i think 4 is way too many to kill alone. if youre gonna play 4 i think you need to pick the map like amazon tunnel or something so you can keep them in front of you. id like to see you try vs 2 1800ish players. Whats the highest ELO you can kill 2 at once? Also in chess, Hikaru Nakamura does a YT series where he would sacrifice the queen early each game and see how high he can get his ELO on a specialty account only for that strat. Id maybe like to see you do something like this. Maybe like you can only make UU every game or have to tower rush every game or something. the "I DOUCHE EVERY GAME" account would be classic, especially with new Persians coming
It's possible against 1800s only if he has the same number of starting vills/TCs+400 pop and they have 200 pop each(just delete houses when it goes over 200 available pop limit), might even be able to defeat 3 or even 4 1800s under these type of equal pop/equal starting vills/TCs since the only limit is on micro.
Dunno dont forget these guys are 900 elo, maybe something like double castle drop on two of them as same time with quickwalls would work and that could make them panic enough for Hera to snowball from that, something like that.
I think it would be so cool if you could somehow start with 9 vills and the challengers start with standard 3, would love to see if 3 good players can still get close to a win.
@@EugeneOneguine Right, Hera would have won with a mobile version of his army here. The closest I can think of is Conqs with good micro. I play a lot of fast imp Turks and cheese wins off of much better players than myself (I'm 1700 in Teams because I only queue Arena and have a very good FI Turks, but I'm more of a 1200 player by knowledge in 1v1s haha). Normally I'd say Turks could do it, but I think it runs into the Organ Gun problem of low mobility even after you massacre one person... Maybe if he had gone for a 1 TC all in to guarantee a 1v3 instead of booming?
@@FS4SS I don't think he would win here though, even with conqs. 4 players on arena is too much. I don't understand why everyone's saying it "looked close", it didn't, not even remotely possible. Hera wasn't even under Green's TC and all the other guys were already in Imp. It was so lost. I think he needs to go 2 TCs semi-boom with Conqs, against 3 players. I'd like to see that.
I think your mistake was attacking green first, the weakest player, and then continuing to attack green instead of moving to control the middle of the map.
Only feitoria for income, everything spammed with bombard towers with bombard cannons inbetween to snipe the siege lmao The only strategy i could see working against 4 - and thats also not really winning, just not losing instead. Well played as always. vs 4 that know what they are doing and are coordinated it just seems impossible.
Dumb as it sounds i wonder if going for a basic Huns CA, Tarkens would work. They can manage most armies, have mobility, and can take out enemies without using siege
You might have a better chance with a Turk fast Imp and kill one player immediatly and then from there steam roll. You should not run out of res bc you can take them in others bases. At the end they had too high numbers.
Sad to see you get run over by multiple armies and having no way to produce enough army to fight all the directions. Higher pop cap could be the key to giving you a fighting chance. Just 225 or 250 would double the amount of military you could have and let you fight two sides at once. Sadly, it's starting to feel like these games are unwinnable.
Actually vs4 800-900 players Hera have chances. Maybe need faster civ like malay, or more powerful in imp like Mongols or Bohemians. Vs 3 should be easy for hera , even i collected that achieve on exactly same map and players between 800-1k elo.
I'm sorry guys but it didn't look close at all. He wasn't even halfway through one player as he was already getting trebbed down. In some Arabia games I agree that it looked like he was about to win, but here all the other three guys were untouched and all in Imperial, it was absolutely over.
So I understand why players, especially higher level players, delete walls at the front of their base in any game sometimes, but why do they do it to the walls in the back and the side on arena thereby opening up those little side clearings? Besides freeing up access to trees in a few spots, actually keeping some of the gates and walls there would provide an extra layer of economy protection for the lumberjacks and whatnot you put there, no? Is space just considered to be that tight on arena? Are they still in the way of something? Just annoying? Real players don't let their defense fall that far anyway?
Hera, I think you are biting off way more than you can chew in some of these games. You are one of the best players in the world and it clearly shows in each of these games but I think the population difference and resource differences are just way too high. You would have to quickly take out at least 2 players to win this game.
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I like how you told us about the secondary wall in Arena not being too close to the primary wall, and later you gave us a very good example of why this is at 21:31. Gotta love when stuff comes together like this.
i dont care that you always lose these. its a blast to watch. thanks bro
I would think, in general, that arena might be difficult because the 1vX games you have done well at always included the early killing of one or two players. Regardless, it's incredible to see how big of a skill gap between players. Great content.
That looked so close. It's really as he said, it seems like you're winning until you're not!
I think a great idea for a 1v4 would be to play using 'Marco' and 'Polo' cheat codes. It would be interesting to see how you adapt, knowing what they are up to. 😂
Just play without fog 😅
10:03 damn, I wanted to see what the "neat trick" was.
It's always fascinating to see what creative tricks the pros can pull off.
Also, I didn't think those organ guns could be so amazing!
It was too trap the scout between 2 gates
@@ElazulKnight That make sense! It would've been funny to see, but thanks.
@@AlphaSections Or maybe he showed "the trick", he made scout disappear, similar on how Daut sometime microes archers to heaven :)
Just kidding, gate trick would have been neat yea.
Quite Hera is such a different vibe
True, it felt weird, like seeing a completely different person in Hera's skin, but enjoyable nonetheless.
It was like Bob Ross painting
Love these! I think it’s great that you’ll put yourself in a position to give 900elos a fighting chance, albeit 4v1, lol!
Nice video, thank you, Hera! Better luck next time!
After you nuked greens horses and could have brought some guns back to defend. Maybe 10-15 guns or so, as you already saw yellow wanting to push north. Then you could have continued to push red and kept yellow at bay, maybe? Slow army is really tough, true, but I had expected you to push red much faster, right when green bailed.
I loved how you considered every building this fight. Looked so clean! Nice video, thank you, Hera
Heras out there playing punching bag for our entertainment. Respect :D
I think you needed to push into green as fast as possible. There were three minutes (22 to 25ish) after you had your castle up and busted his walls but didn't rush right in. It probably wouldn't have made a difference, but I sensed when watching you almost "respected" him too much. Your organs weren't being lured into a trap the poor guy was just panicking (like I and most viewers would have).
True, needs faster bulldozing!
I find it kinda odd that apart from one or two times, typically they don't gg back.
Theyre usually on voice so prolly celebrating amongst each other
@@HeraAgeofEmpires2 Ah gotcha, I'd be celebrating too even if I beat you 1 v 8.
Is there a way you can set your pop to the equivalent of the 4 players (800 pop for you, but still 200 pop for them)? Might even it out a little more in the late game.
Really excellent game as always, but honestly I think going against this many players on arena is almost guaranteed to be a slowly losing battle on account of how much the walls fundamentally dissuade early rushes. Allowing these players, even low skill ones to boom often will just lead to death no matter what you do. (I think if there had been only three you could have managed personally)
What you were missing was bbt as a Portuguese main that's a must in these cases because you are investing your pop on fatoria so you gotta get pop capped with army and start pushing with bbt to secure the ground reason is literally what you see you need a big mass and you can't pitch the fight so you now have to force them to pick the fight you want because it's hard to push because of bbt
10:03 when does this part go to TH-cam shorts? 😂
Maybe try a black forest map with the organs... that would be fun to see!
One crazy way my friend and i won a 2v4 (after our teammates were defeated) was to put everything into a single deathball, let the opponents destroy our bases and simply roam the map with our deathball until we'd destroyed everything
OHOH I see Hera, that was exactly how i placed my houses vs you in the arena game that i went vs you :3 (me Green Magayard Player)
Thought u had that one. Still fun to watch. I hate vsing the piano guns so much
Portuguese castledrop into organ spam is a disgusting & degenerate strat that STILL hasn't been nerfed enough
it would be interesting to do a regicide setup to hunt for the enemy kings to even the odds a bit
I love that u challenge yourself and dont go free wins. Fun game to watch.
Aren't the back walls handy incase you get rushe
Are the other players using voice communications during these games? Loving this series!
If you didn't go Feitoria could you have had a second deathball to mitigate the mobility issues?
i still love the series even if i think 4 is way too many to kill alone. if youre gonna play 4 i think you need to pick the map like amazon tunnel or something so you can keep them in front of you. id like to see you try vs 2 1800ish players. Whats the highest ELO you can kill 2 at once? Also in chess, Hikaru Nakamura does a YT series where he would sacrifice the queen early each game and see how high he can get his ELO on a specialty account only for that strat. Id maybe like to see you do something like this. Maybe like you can only make UU every game or have to tower rush every game or something. the "I DOUCHE EVERY GAME" account would be classic, especially with new Persians coming
It's possible against 1800s only if he has the same number of starting vills/TCs+400 pop and they have 200 pop each(just delete houses when it goes over 200 available pop limit), might even be able to defeat 3 or even 4 1800s under these type of equal pop/equal starting vills/TCs since the only limit is on micro.
@@yozshu Pop limit doesn't matter. He will never reach it. Max level to be competetive vs 2 is not higher than 14xx.
Dunno dont forget these guys are 900 elo, maybe something like double castle drop on two of them as same time with quickwalls would work and that could make them panic enough for Hera to snowball from that, something like that.
I think it would be so cool if you could somehow start with 9 vills and the challengers start with standard 3, would love to see if 3 good players can still get close to a win.
you should give yourself an easy bot so they also have to chewthrough something
Hera is very chilled 😎
Maybe conqs? Arena spanish would be interesting here.
True. I don't see anything else. Even the Cumans push, the rams are too slow and the cav gets shredded by halbs.
@@EugeneOneguine Right, Hera would have won with a mobile version of his army here. The closest I can think of is Conqs with good micro.
I play a lot of fast imp Turks and cheese wins off of much better players than myself (I'm 1700 in Teams because I only queue Arena and have a very good FI Turks, but I'm more of a 1200 player by knowledge in 1v1s haha). Normally I'd say Turks could do it, but I think it runs into the Organ Gun problem of low mobility even after you massacre one person...
Maybe if he had gone for a 1 TC all in to guarantee a 1v3 instead of booming?
@@FS4SS I don't think he would win here though, even with conqs. 4 players on arena is too much. I don't understand why everyone's saying it "looked close", it didn't, not even remotely possible. Hera wasn't even under Green's TC and all the other guys were already in Imp. It was so lost.
I think he needs to go 2 TCs semi-boom with Conqs, against 3 players. I'd like to see that.
We the people want you to loose theese ones :)
But we also want entertainment xD
Wonderful idea to play average elo players, love it!!!
10:10 would make a great short 😅
Hera has trained us too well
How much to play hera
Having 93 vils and calling fetoria the bulk of your economy is wild
My fav vids, have to go to sleep, but wanna watch you destroy 4 people of my potato level
I think your mistake was attacking green first, the weakest player, and then continuing to attack green instead of moving to control the middle of the map.
Maybe arena should vs 1v3? It's a rough map. Proobably 1v2 ~1000 elo you would easily win, I think
Only feitoria for income, everything spammed with bombard towers with bombard cannons inbetween to snipe the siege lmao
The only strategy i could see working against 4 - and thats also not really winning, just not losing instead.
Well played as always. vs 4 that know what they are doing and are coordinated it just seems impossible.
Dumb as it sounds i wonder if going for a basic Huns CA, Tarkens would work. They can manage most armies, have mobility, and can take out enemies without using siege
The problem for you is the population pop!
You should get a mod where you can get at least 400 population.
You will have a better Chance!
You might have a better chance with a Turk fast Imp and kill one player immediatly and then from there steam roll. You should not run out of res bc you can take them in others bases. At the end they had too high numbers.
Sad to see you get run over by multiple armies and having no way to produce enough army to fight all the directions. Higher pop cap could be the key to giving you a fighting chance. Just 225 or 250 would double the amount of military you could have and let you fight two sides at once. Sadly, it's starting to feel like these games are unwinnable.
Need to try this against ~1k5 players
Lol, sure. On Arena even Hera has a chance to lose 1v1 against a 1k5
No chance on arena when you can't do damage until like minimum 14 mins in.
1v4 is too much. 1v3 is the perfect match
Actually vs4 800-900 players Hera have chances. Maybe need faster civ like malay, or more powerful in imp like Mongols or Bohemians. Vs 3 should be easy for hera , even i collected that achieve on exactly same map and players between 800-1k elo.
I'm sorry guys but it didn't look close at all. He wasn't even halfway through one player as he was already getting trebbed down. In some Arabia games I agree that it looked like he was about to win, but here all the other three guys were untouched and all in Imperial, it was absolutely over.
Do 300 pop next time
So I understand why players, especially higher level players, delete walls at the front of their base in any game sometimes, but why do they do it to the walls in the back and the side on arena thereby opening up those little side clearings? Besides freeing up access to trees in a few spots, actually keeping some of the gates and walls there would provide an extra layer of economy protection for the lumberjacks and whatnot you put there, no? Is space just considered to be that tight on arena? Are they still in the way of something? Just annoying? Real players don't let their defense fall that far anyway?
I love your content, but man, watching you get whooped is soo much funnier.
Konniks are thee best agains Organs Guns. They have no chance.
4v1 is too much i think, there is always 1 guy who can make a crazy boom and come with 50 paladins out of nowhere or something 11
Feitorias aren’t really worth it you are so much better going vils and more army.
Could finish green and take his base, hold red who was waiting for imp and move into the middle for yellow and grey
Thirst 💦
Hera, I think you are biting off way more than you can chew in some of these games. You are one of the best players in the world and it clearly shows in each of these games but I think the population difference and resource differences are just way too high. You would have to quickly take out at least 2 players to win this game.
please dont get portuguese nerfed more.
First
Exelent video, organ guns is the way to go against 4 or 3 players