It would be interesting to do an inverse of this show where you look at the consistently winning teams and see how they got there. From there you can pull out lessons learned for roster building, drafting, head coaching/GM hires, and ownership involvement. I think it would be a good reference for the fix your franchises in the future.
How do the Chiefs maintain their dominance, how did the lions go from 3-13-1 to superbowl favorite, how are the commanders going from having the #2 pick to becoming a dominant force in the NFC?
Been waiting for this episode! What went wrong: -Dave Gettleman -wrong coaching hires -not drafting Eli’s replacement soon enough -Daniel Jones GM/HC candidates: -keep Schoen and Daboll Roster overview: -middling, not terrible, not great. With a different QB could be very competitive. -leading the league in sacks and defense has great potential with an addition or two. -OL not a train wreck like it was in previous years, especially with Andrew Thomas. Def need more depth here. -I understand the Wandale draft slot, but no Wandale slander here. He’s a dawg, with a better QB he would be awesome! Free agency plan: -Cut DJ, sign veteran QB (Russ, Stanford, Flacco, Darnold) -Get in the Tee Higgins sweepstakes. -Quality DT & CB signings Draft: -Do whatever you can to get Cam Ward!
You guys are too harsh on Schmitz and Mcfadden especially Michah hes been a decent starter and a good pick in the 5th round of that first draft. And JMS although disappointing hasn't been a disaster either.
In London there is an infamously ugly skyscraper, 20 Fenchurch Street - better known as the Walkie Talkie - that reflected the sunlight onto a single roughly 12 foot spot along the opposite street sidewalk, melting one side of somebody's Jaguar that was parked there. It has since been renovated to not become an impromptu archimedes heat ray.
So you guys are pretty spot on about everything...except the whole Saquon take. He is one of my fave players in the league, I have his jersey. Two things with him though. First he never EVER should have been drafted second overall. That entire draft had so much talent at real impact positions like O-Line, cornerback and most of all...Quarterback. We could have traded back to 6th, gotten a tonne of extra draft capital and drafted Josh Allen or Lamar Jackson (for example). Secondly without the revisionist history, a running back simply cant make a bad team into a contender. If he was still on the Giants we might be 3-6 instead of 2-7 and he wouldnt be having the career year he is having. Running Backs like him are the last piece you add to really put a decent team over the top (like the 49ers did with McCaffrey), not a piece you build around. He was wasted here and despite how much I hate the Eagles, I am honestly happy he is finally on a team that can actually use his talent and skill set. The main thing with this team is that it cant move forward with Daniel Jones on the roster. We have a big enough sample size now. DJ might have the tools but there is one thing he isnt....and that is a winner. He has no idea how to elevate his team and how to win games. So, despite being a Giants fan since 1986, I simply cant watch my team until he is gone as there is just zero hope. Knowing our luck DJ will get hurt next game, his injury clause will kick in then Devito will win just enough games to make sure that we can't draft a QB next year and we will be stuck in the quick sand for yet another year. Cant wait.
remember, hindsight is 20/20. Josh allen was an Anthony Richardson level project out of college and people thought Lamar Jackson was a runningback. He was the most sure bet at the time and they weren't wrong. The issue these franchises run into is they refuse to build around their elite talent if it's not a QB. Tennessee nearly made it to the SB with a team built entirely around Derrick Henry because they recognized they had a generational talent at RB. Stephanski won a bunch of games with a team built around Nick Chubb and didn't want Deshaun Watson. They could've done that with Saquon. He's that good IMO
Agree about the RB Statement. Barkley, Jacobs or Henry didnt transform the Eagels, Packers or Ravens from bad to good, they improved already good Situations into something better. Similar to Gibbs with the Lions or Bijan with the Falcons. Having an solid or better o line and solid or better receiving core is necessary to get the value out of higher level RBs. And the Giants need atleast 1 Upgrade at WR and 2 Upgrades at the o line (new guys or development guys already on the roster) to have that.
When I was criticizing not having Saquon I was more referencing how I think it’s hard for Mara to watch him be great for the Eagles. I do agree with you that I wouldn’t have paid him either. As good as he is this year for Philly, it wouldn’t have been the same production in NY
@@nathanroyster1324 Oh for sure. All I was trying to say is they had so many options and taking a running back at 2 was the literal worst on. Saquon is an amazing talent but we saw him year after year get like 15 runs of 2 yards or less then 1-2 x 20+ yard run every game because our line was so bad. Running backs can be next level but without a good run blocking scheme or offensive line plus zero ariel threat he cant do anything (which is what we saw outside of his rookie year).
@@adrianbuck8772 I think the issue is we just need so much. Our biggest weakness is this idea that we can win and rebuild at the same time. We need to stop screwing around and actually rebuild. If you cant get a good QB then just pick best player available and then tank for Arch Manning haha.
Respectfully ya sleeping on a few guys for the giants. Okereke is a good lb, I wouldn’t give up on banks at all you see the ability he’s probably gonna settle into being a cb2 but that’s still valuable, Theo Johnson is looking solid so far, still sleeping on JMS, McFadden isn’t a must keep but he hasn’t been bad, Kayvon is a better player than ojulari and the big reason you don’t keep azeez is because he’s legit NEVER healthy. I wouldn’t put stock in a contract year for an often injured player. He’s also a complete liability in the run game whereas Kayvon at least has the ability he’s just inconsistent. Other than that slayton isn’t a guy you’d want to move. Behind him there are no truly complete WRs aside from nabers and I’d want a rookie coming in to have two quality WRs to throw too especially one who’s a veteran on the team
Love watching you guys. I think Schoen and Daboll are safe. Jones is gone, but DT is a big need. We can’t stop the run. I’d love to see a big upgrade there to play next to Dexter
Sorry guys brevity is not really in my vocabulary so I apologize in advance for the book you are about to read (or completely skip over that's understandable) lorewise I think you guys pretty much hit it. It all really stems from the failure of the regime to transition from Coughlin/Eli. Coughlin's time was coming to an end, it wasn't bad to replace him when they did, but just replacing him with Ben McAdoo (partly because he told them he was on his way to an interview with the Eagles for the job that eventually went to Doug Pederson so the Giants panicked and just offered him the job) and keeping everything else the same was not great. At that point Jerry Reese was on his last legs really, and McAdoo was the final nail in that coffin. Then instead of doing something smart and forging a new path forward, the Giants decided the best way forward was to hire Dave Gettleman to basically take the Giants back to their glory days. It ended similarly to how 2022 went just minus the wins; that year really set them back, between sticking with Eli one more year and drafting Saquon so early. Then they stink again in 2018 and have to pivot from the plan they laid out when Gettleman got here to drafting a QB early and a more standard rebuild. Trading Odell is kind of synonymous with Saquon walking in free agency to some extent. That plan never really got going as Gettleman threw Shurmur under the bus to save his own ass. And Mara finishes the Gettleman era off by hiring Joe Judge, who was not Gettleman's first choice (Gettleman wanted Brandon Staley, if I'm remembering correctly, which wasn't necessarily a better idea but at least would have been organizational alignment). Judge and Gettleman did not work well together and their two years of disaster class led to Joe Schoen and Brian Daboll. Then 2022 happens, they pay Daniel Jones, and the rest is history, more or less. on Joe Schoen: I think so much just gets fixed by having a QB this team can actually believe in and does elevate the team around him at all. I think certain players that have been less than ideal so far probably benefit a lot from that. For example, Jalin Hyatt's deep speed would be a lot more useful with a QB that they trust to throw downfield more consistently. JMS probably at least looks a bit better with a QB that can escape the pocket laterally looking to throw rather than looking down at the rush and running up through the A/B gap every time. Deonte Banks might "care" more if the offense can actually be complementary and produce points. Kayvon Thibodeaux can maybe be more productive as a pass rusher when the team is scoring points and actually leading in games, instead of running 68% of their offensive snaps while trailing and just 11% of their offensive snaps while leading. 45% of their defensive snaps while trailing and 24% of their defensive snaps while leading. He "fell into the trap" of having to draft replacements for players he brought in or drafted not just because they didn't work out, but because the timeline for them to work out got completely thrown out the window when Jones came out in 2023, stunk, then got hurt twice. When it comes to replacing him with a really strong talent evaluator like the ones Trevor listed: It's hard not to feel like that's basically saying "well Joe Schoen didn't work so let's go find another Joe Schoen and hope that works." When we were having this conversation 3 years ago before Schoen was hired and it was like him, Adam Peters, Joe Hortiz, etc, this was all the same stuff that sold a lot of people on Schoen. He's a talent evaluator background, worked his way up through college scouting and pro personnel and then AGM with the Bills over 20+ years, winning team background in Buffalo, etc etc. For all the success stories about Spytek or whoever, I'm sure the same success stories exist around Schoen. That's not to say that Schoen is better than those guys or the logic doesn't make sense, it just bears noting, I think. The Giants would be (fairly) firing Schoen for results and then looking for another guy with all the traits they saw in Joe Schoen that they just think might get better results. It would be fair and reasonable, you don't keep a guy if you really don't think he can get the results, but it's just hard for me to come to terms with firing Joe Schoen without really being able to pinpoint why he failed but the next guy will succeed. That's the same reason I really like Connor's take on the HC situation: I think if you're going for Belichick or another hotshot OC, what's the point? To me the top 3 HCs that would make any sense would be Vrabel, Minter, and Flores. And each one has to come with a strong offensive staff. If you're going to fire a HC/GM, I feel like there's always going to be certain things you are looking for in their replacement that were lacking in the guy you fired. Which makes it a really weird chicken/egg scenario with the QB. I'm personally of the opinion that if the Giants can get the QB position right, then whatever GM/HC they have will work out. But if the GM/HC aren't good enough can they get the QB right? Is it reasonable to trust Schoen/Daboll after they paid Jones (and even if ownership played a role, Schoen and Daboll also wanted to do it. If they didn't they could have pushed back on ownership; Mara wanted really badly to keep Saquon but Schoen stood his ground)? That's largely why I'm more or less indifferent on it. I can't convince myself 100% either way. I just need the QB situation sorted out and I think everything else will fall into place. Kafka is gone either way and he's likely the only one that would go unless the whole staff is gone. He's in the last year of his deal, Daboll pulled playcalling from him at times last year when they were struggling, it is rumoured he was supposed to be Seattle's OC instead of Ryan Grubb but the Giants blocked it. Both the DC and STC are new this year and likely will stay. I don't think anyone wants to go through 3 DCs/STCs in 3 years. The Wink situation last year led us to Shane Bowen this year who has been generally solid. The run defense is still struggling, especially with not great run defenders on the edge, not having a good DL2 next to Dex, and the DBs being generally pretty poor outside of Andru Phillips. But the Giants lead the NFL in sacks right now and are a respectable middle of the pack defense in scoring and passing yards per attempt, despite their kindergarten secondary and Deonte Banks and Cor'Dale Flott being the main boundary corners. Michael Ghobrial is the new STC, he was with the Jets before this year, and he has generally been fine. ST won us a game in Seattle with the blocked FG, and maybe cost us a game in Pittsburgh, with a punt that outkicked the coverage leading to a PR TD. But nothing to be fired over. Chances are after Kafka, Shea Tierney is next up, he's currently the passing game coordinator/QB coach. Daboll brought Tierney with him from Alabama to Buffalo, then from Buffalo to the Giants. When Daboll pulled play calling from Kafka last year at times, Tierney was often the one they tried. I believe Tierney was an OC at the Senior Bowl in 2024, they're very aligned in that sense. Eluemunor played guard in camp until they officially pulled the plug on Neal. Neal was at RT1 in camp, then reaggravated his foot/ankle injury from last year, Eluemunor moved out to RT, and the rest is history. I like Trevor's targets, but the injury with Godwin is a little too offputting for me. This team has had a history of investing in players coming off major injuries and not being successful. Tee Higgins might be too steep a cost. Maybe the Giants could go the Diontae Johnson/DeAndre Hopkins/Amari Cooper route, maybe that would make more sense. I'd love to get Stefon Diggs back with Brian Daboll if the money and the age curve stuff makes sense. I think needs-wise you guys overlooked IDL. The group behind Dexter Lawrence is nowhere near good enough and adding another complement to that room instead of relying on Rakeem Nunez-Roches, Jordon Riley, DJ Davidson, Elijah Chatman, and Armon Watts would probably be big help. Take some attention away from Dex if you can and maybe make some more run stops from the interior. I think Pinnock will actually be a reasonable priority to keep, for hopefully not that much (like 4-5m AAV, in the mold of like a Josh Metellus/Taylor Rapp/Alohi Gilman/Jordan Whitehead). Letting him go to spend another 2nd rounder on a safety kind of feeds into Trevor's previous point about having to draft to replace players they brought in, in my eyes, whether that's Pinnock or Dane Belton.
Great pod fellas very insightful and entertaining. Praying for Cam Ward 🙏🏻. Having Russ Wilson get him ready would be awesome. Just like Kurt and Eli .
Love to see how they would redraft the 2022 nfl draft ..Playing MMQB 2 yrs later is kinda easy …Also JMS as a center was probably their no 1 or 2 center on pff during the draft …Must be an indictment on pff more than drafting JMS
I think the main point being missed is when you take over as GM, there’s an evaluation period of existing scouts, staff, players and process. That’s a Five year process right there. This entire organization has almost been retooled in 3 years. I trust Daboll n Schoen to pick the QB, they wanted Maye and Daniel’s (Accurate) Bricillo, great hire will have input of Oline going fwd. Bowen most sacks in the league same on D. They need at least 5 years.
Wait what, when Andrew Thomas was in Oline was bad?! Do you watch their games or just go off pff grades?? Oline was far better this year that AT was in and Oline was consistent.
My near-new (2023, bought it new) Subaru impreza, I just brought it in for its 20,000 mile service (oil, brake checks, etc) and they sent me a video of the inside corner of my tires that is WORN TO THE CORDS because the alignment somehow got messed up, and they couldn’t release it back to me. I just got it back it took them 3 weeks to actually get a warranty claim for free tires done. And I had a cracked windshield in June, massive hail body damage from a storm in July, and another cracked windshield in August. Idek what to do at this point, I’m just lucky my insurance is good
I think you chalked up a lot of my thoughts about the Giants in this pod! If the Giants end up picking at 7, I think they need to do whatever it takes to trade up for Cam Ward. Jacksonville or New England are not going to be picking QBs, so trade partners might be there (Jacksonville has shown willingness to trade down too). It might not be pretty, but Cam Ward is my QB1 from this draft and if you get a chance to him to learn from Daboll with someone like Andy Dalton holding down the fort until he's ready, I'm more than willing to flip some later picks to get Cam into NY
It would be cool to see a mid season regrade of the the draft classes and then maybe an end of season regrade of the 2024 draft class for each team. 🙏🏾 love the videos
@@danielr3587 yeah I dont think they even mentioned Okereke who shouldve been a pro bowler last year and mcfadden has been a solid player especially for a 5th round pick
I didn’t mean to disrespect the group, but it’s hard for me to look at LB as a key piece when it‘s not a Fred Warner/Lavonte David/Demario Davis etc type. The position is generally quite interchangeable outside of the truly elite
1. Draft the best QB possible, Ward or Sanders. Priority #1. Move up if necessary. 2. The browns suck and might be willing to sell, so i'd prioritize a trade for Denzel Ward. 2nd Rounder might get it done. 3. I like the idea of signing Trey Smith. 4. Throw affordable deals at Cam Bynum/Honey Badger and Godwin/Chark 5. Bring back B.J. Hill 6. Sign Russ or Brissett to serve as a bridge 7. Find a very serviceable swing tackle. See how Tyre Phillips has recovered.
- Davis Webb as the OC. - Glenn Schumann as DC. - Daboll and Schoen stay, hoping this draft will be like the previous one. - Sign Godwin, Paulson Adebo, a guard, and a veteran QB. - Draft Ward, who they'll need to trade up for! Draft more interior guys, DBs, and maybe another receiver. *Something to ponder is that Daboll needs to give the playcalling to the OC, he just needs to manage the team. I get that he has DJ as his QB, but some of his play calls have been straight-up HELL. Also, do we trust Schoen to draft a young quarterback? What makes you think he'll be good at it? And if they fuck up (which is most likely happening), and if they're gone, the drafted QB is in a new system, and we're set back for another three years. If they both stay, we're giving Dabes and Joe ANOTHER TWO YEARS?
Remember. Joe Schoen used most of the previous regimes scouts for his first draft. He fired almost all of them right after that first draft. His 2nd draft he had more of his people but he had hold overs from the previous regime still that were in high positions (like head of college scouting) he wasnt able to replace due to people he wanted not being available. After that draft he FULLY got rid of all people from the Gettleman days. Draft 3 he had all HIS people.
Couple ducks that need some attention from you guys… - Jordan Burch - jabbar Muhammad - Evan Stewart (has gone crazy as of late) - my boy Derrick Harman
I bought a 2012 Toyota Tundra earlier this year (Amazing truck have had no issues with it drives amazing). I live halfway up a hill in a cul-de-sac and park my truck in the driveway every day. After like 2 months I noticed the paint on the top of the truck was bubbling and chipping away badly. Thought it was just my truck but after asking around and looking, several people on my street have similar issues with their cars as well. At some point I'm gonna get the truck re painted because the truck is Forrest Green colored and it looks amazing and the paint on top is really chipping away and bubbling badly.
A couple weeks late to this, but my bedroom blinds seemingly randomly melted one day. They were old, so I replaced them. The new ones pretty immediately melted. Turns out this started happening when the people across the street got new windows.
Totally had that laser beam sun light at my house. took out the side mirrors on two f150's and one Honda Civic. Had to put a special film on two windows above my garage to stop the reflection. they started making the window film because the reflection was melting artificial grass in peoples yards in Las Vegas and Arizona.
Eleumenor started summer workouts at LG, while Runyan started at RG, DESPITE Runyan saying in a press conference that he feels LG is his better position AND the only experience Eleumenor had at G was on the right side. Finally in training camp when Neal opened on the PUP, Jermaine was switched to RT
1:05:00 I know i'm late but i think i need to point out that you got the dead cap cutting part wrong. Daniel Jones cap hit is 41m and his dead cap is 22m. By cutting him their total salary would go down by 41m but their dead cap hit would go up by 22m which would net them 19m in cap space. This would give them about 65 million in cap space. Love the pod guys keep it up.
As a giants fan ive been arguing the same shit about Joe Scheon, i would have no problem moving on from him and keeping Daboll. - handled barkley poorly, i know people say dont pay RBs but in this case you 100% pay him over Jones even taking just that season into context. - the Jones contract is pretty bad since i 100% believe even at the time no team is givinf him that contract if you let him hit free agency. -as a talent evaluator i just dont think he's great you guys mentioned his drafts but if you also look at his free agencies and trades you see; • waited to sign another CB when everyone knew the secondary was a problem • waited to pay darius slayton when he is obviously a talent WR with a bad QB • let Tyrod Taylor go for Drew Lock as a backup QB when the previous season Tyrod look better then Jones • Traded up for Banks (im not selling on banks yet just think in that draft it wasnt neccessary) and Traded up for Hyatt
@@lucrative6477 1. Cutlets winning those games late season took them out of Daniels range 2. Idk 3. Winning the playoff game made them sign DJ to the extension
@@kenplotzke86 When we won 10-7 vs the Pats last season, their kicker missed 2 kicks including the game tying FG at the buzzer. If we lost we would’ve been a lock for Maye
@@lucrative6477The Giants beat the Commanders both times last year, partly off career games from Tommy cutlets. Had they lost those games, they would have been top 3 in the draft.
After the Saints episode, we need an episode about the Miami Dolphins. They're 2-6 right now, face the Rams in LA next Monday, and have a TOUGH schedule in late november/december: @ Packers, @ Texans, @ Jets, vs 49ers. Chris Grier has been the Dolphins' GM since 2016 (he's been on the franchise for 25 years) and survived 3 different coaching changes. They have an expensive and injury prone roster, half their secondary will hit free agency, their Top3 pass rushers are currently injured, they have holes on the offensive line. Plus, they can't win big games, went to the playoffs just 5 times in this century and their last playoff win came in 2000. That's the definition of institutional failure.
The giants already did the whole coaching staff rework. DC Wink Martindale was fired. OC Mike Kafka had playcalling taken away and given to Daboll. The OL coach was fired. I believe some other assistants were fired as well
Trevor, I think you’ve been reading OTC wrong for a while. I’ve noticed this before so I want to point it out. You don’t subtract dead cap from cap savings, you subtract savings from the cap number to get dead cap. So if the giants have 48mil, then DJ’s dead cap is 22mil and savings is 19mil, them the cap doesn’t go down by 3mil, it goes up 19mil to 67mil because the $41mil total cap number is already counting against the cap before the cut. Play around with the calculator for 5 seconds and you’ll confirm this. I just thought I’d point this out because it’s come up in multiple episodes now.
I think it makes sense for Schoen to get a chance to get a QB - him hitting this draft out of the park seems like a saving grace. but I think Patience is key. we have been super impatient since Coughlin... I am on board with seeing what happens if Daboll and Schoen can get their guy. to quote Schoen himself, "Scared money dont make money" get your guy and prove you can do this.
Been doing this for years fellas. Gonna start a series on Twitter called "who i wouldve drafted instead" Should've went - 1a Thibs 1b Neal 2 Pickens/Brisker (after losing Love) 3a Khalil Shakir 3b Cade Otton 4a Tariq Woolen 4b Brandon Smith 5a Jamaree Salyer 5b Damone Clark This is without using hindsight as a tool.
Fire Daboll and Schoen Hire Vrabel Stefanski (if he's fired), Pederson or even McDaniels as the OC Cut Daniel Jones Draft Cam Ward and sign Matthew Stafford
Joe Schoen’s decisions are frustrating: poor talent evaluation, questionable drafting, overpaying Jones, and letting key players walk with no return. I have no faith in this GM as a fan . I would honestly prefer them to clean house and hire a third party company to evaluate everyone and help with the hiring process to get the right people in the building. Look at what the commanders did. Giants need to adapt and pivot. Giants fans deserve better.
First off, EVERYONE had Neal that high. Can‘t critizice Schoen on that, after having 2 months of work done. I‘m getting him at least 2 more years. I guess this year was his first draft with HIS scouts all along, long enough time to evaluate talent etc. They are the guys, let them get their QB and they will be alright.
I think it's worth considering who'd be drafting ahead of the Giants and how willing they'd be to trade back. There are a lot of QB needy teams and if the Giants pick at 6 or 7 I don't think they are getting any of Ward, Sanders or Milroe.
Keep Shane and Daball, I loved Saquon but I think these are the right guys. Everyone says Neal is the worst pick ever but everyone and their mothers were saying this guy is a can’t miss. Daball is a hell of a coach and give him his guy. I’m a cam ward fan, he is very raw and turnover prone but I think Daball can really work with him. If the giants can go get cam then I’d be happy but they can’t force a QB, if your guy isn’t there then take Best player available. #GOBIGBLUE
I feel bad for Schoen. His 2022 draft is largely considered a bust but for all us draft nerds, every one of us would have run to the podium for Evan Neal and Kayvon Thibodeaux based on them as prospects.
If you agree you can run routes without being thrown the ball then You do not need two people to tango, I have competed ballroom on a national level and when you are practicing tango you oftentimes do it on your own so you can get the step just right. a lot like running a route without someone throwing you the ball. Then once you’ve practiced your part you’ll put it together with your partner aka have them throw you the ball in this analogy . Hopefully this helps, love the podcast oh and I’m 6’1 180
Jms also hasn’t been struggling as much as you think watch the tape he’s been solid this year. Not amazing specifically in blitz pickup but far from bad. Banks has been getting cooked but it’s more of his inability to play the ball than anything. He’s usually in the right spot but just never makes the play
Worse than the playoff win, is the DeVito wins that kept Giants from getting Maye or Daniels. Schoen has Whiffed on every Olineman he drafted, drafted none last year. Spent all the cap to fix the line with veterans. Let Barkley walk to Eagles, who was your entire offense. And here we are still scouring the practice squads for starting Olineman!!! Dark days for us Giants fans with much more to come.
GM candidates Jon-Eric Sullivan and Milt Hendrickson of the Packers. Didn't mention them during the Jets because the optics of "GB East" after Rodgers. But those guys should at least be getting interviews.
For QB I’d be happy with Flacco as a bridge/veteran presence or Fields since Daboll is known as a QB guru. Wait on drafting a qb until following year, because this team will very likely be bad again!! Not sure I love any of the QB’s in this years draft.
I'm not a Giants fan myself, but since I believe that a lot of young QBs are just not given a fair shot, I've found myself defending Daniel Jones from time to time, but at this point the writing is just on the wall. And even if you make the argument about a fair shot and wonder whether Daniel Jones could've been better elsewhere...i imagine he could have, but it's abundantly clear that he's not the answer for the Giants. They are a prime example of how much QBs matter. Yes the Giants have had loads of struggles, but imagine how much better you'd feel about this team if at least QB was sorted out. I'm a Saints fan, and I understand you're doing one of these for the Saints? I wonder what you'll say about that, because as a fan who is at least somewhat in touch with what's going on with the Saints, I have pretty clear ideas of what I think should happen and what I feel like will actually happen. Also I don't think there's a quick fix for our situation, so I wonder what you'll draw up!
In fairness McFadden has been starting for the giants for a while now and hasn’t been bad. Not amazing but not bad if you actually watch him play. He just misses too many tackles that’s kind of the big issue but he’s been decent for tbem
there is actually. reports of people getting 3rd degree burns from the sun reflecting at some expensive. resorts in vegas. and some places in Europe. It was one architect that. designed multiple of the buildings
I know people are high on Daboll, but I can’t help but feel like this is similar to Saleh w/ Zach Wilson where Zach took all the blame for the bad parts of the team, while Saleh got all the credit for the good. And then we found out that even with Zach gone the team still had serious flaws. Zach Wilson and Daniel Jones aren’t good QBs, but I feel like a lot of people are overlooking issues with the line and lack of weapons and blaming it all on the QBs.
Nahh there are times when Daniel Jones just doesnt want to win. But Daboll did go for two when he only needed 1 and bc of that the defense didnt know what it needed to do to win the game.There for gave up a long drive
as a Bears fan, you guys should at least consider Matt Eberflus as a DC candidate when doing these moving forward. gonna be surprised if he sticks at HC for Chicago. Flus has never been a good HC, but hes been a good DC basically his entire tenure, and i expect him to land a DC job for sure.
DUDE . I have had crazy tire issues too, except it was like 6 this year alone, I been going insane. Somebody gotta be putting Mario kart traps on the NJ roads or something
It would be interesting to do an inverse of this show where you look at the consistently winning teams and see how they got there. From there you can pull out lessons learned for roster building, drafting, head coaching/GM hires, and ownership involvement. I think it would be a good reference for the fix your franchises in the future.
How do the Chiefs maintain their dominance, how did the lions go from 3-13-1 to superbowl favorite, how are the commanders going from having the #2 pick to becoming a dominant force in the NFC?
That would be awesome
Love it!
Awesome idea
This is a fantastic idea!
THEY’RE MELTING THE CARS
THE PEOPLE THAT CAME IN
And now that man is the most powerful person in the world for a second time. WTF bizarro world are we living in right now? 😒
Addicts are here❗️❗️❗️❗️
Been waiting for this one this team has drained my soul
Mine too brother. 🤯🤯🤬
Should have had Bengal on for his episode
Saints need a Fix Your Franchise ASAP
They’re next
The Carolina Reapers
Coach Rizz going to lead us
Send olave to chargers good start
Coming on Thursday!
Been waiting for this episode!
What went wrong:
-Dave Gettleman
-wrong coaching hires
-not drafting Eli’s replacement soon enough
-Daniel Jones
GM/HC candidates:
-keep Schoen and Daboll
Roster overview:
-middling, not terrible, not great. With a different QB could be very competitive.
-leading the league in sacks and defense has great potential with an addition or two.
-OL not a train wreck like it was in previous years, especially with Andrew Thomas. Def need more depth here.
-I understand the Wandale draft slot, but no Wandale slander here. He’s a dawg, with a better QB he would be awesome!
Free agency plan:
-Cut DJ, sign veteran QB (Russ, Stanford, Flacco, Darnold)
-Get in the Tee Higgins sweepstakes.
-Quality DT & CB signings
Draft:
-Do whatever you can to get Cam Ward!
Cut Elumanor? If anything they should look to extend on a team friendly deal. He’s been solid. F*** pff scores.
We’ll take him back in NE. We’re desperate
Elumanor's worst season is easily the best RT play we've seen in like 10 years. I never want to see Evan Neal play for NY ever again.
Giants fan and former ballroom dance teacher.
You CAN technically tango by yourself.
Hahahaha this is why I love the Addicts!
You guys are too harsh on Schmitz and Mcfadden especially Michah hes been a decent starter and a good pick in the 5th round of that first draft. And JMS although disappointing hasn't been a disaster either.
In London there is an infamously ugly skyscraper, 20 Fenchurch Street - better known as the Walkie Talkie - that reflected the sunlight onto a single roughly 12 foot spot along the opposite street sidewalk, melting one side of somebody's Jaguar that was parked there. It has since been renovated to not become an impromptu archimedes heat ray.
Sending this to my HOA
Fix your franchise episodes are the best
So you guys are pretty spot on about everything...except the whole Saquon take. He is one of my fave players in the league, I have his jersey. Two things with him though. First he never EVER should have been drafted second overall. That entire draft had so much talent at real impact positions like O-Line, cornerback and most of all...Quarterback. We could have traded back to 6th, gotten a tonne of extra draft capital and drafted Josh Allen or Lamar Jackson (for example). Secondly without the revisionist history, a running back simply cant make a bad team into a contender. If he was still on the Giants we might be 3-6 instead of 2-7 and he wouldnt be having the career year he is having. Running Backs like him are the last piece you add to really put a decent team over the top (like the 49ers did with McCaffrey), not a piece you build around. He was wasted here and despite how much I hate the Eagles, I am honestly happy he is finally on a team that can actually use his talent and skill set.
The main thing with this team is that it cant move forward with Daniel Jones on the roster. We have a big enough sample size now. DJ might have the tools but there is one thing he isnt....and that is a winner. He has no idea how to elevate his team and how to win games. So, despite being a Giants fan since 1986, I simply cant watch my team until he is gone as there is just zero hope. Knowing our luck DJ will get hurt next game, his injury clause will kick in then Devito will win just enough games to make sure that we can't draft a QB next year and we will be stuck in the quick sand for yet another year. Cant wait.
remember, hindsight is 20/20. Josh allen was an Anthony Richardson level project out of college and people thought Lamar Jackson was a runningback. He was the most sure bet at the time and they weren't wrong. The issue these franchises run into is they refuse to build around their elite talent if it's not a QB. Tennessee nearly made it to the SB with a team built entirely around Derrick Henry because they recognized they had a generational talent at RB. Stephanski won a bunch of games with a team built around Nick Chubb and didn't want Deshaun Watson. They could've done that with Saquon. He's that good IMO
Agree about the RB Statement.
Barkley, Jacobs or Henry didnt transform the Eagels, Packers or Ravens from bad to good, they improved already good Situations into something better.
Similar to Gibbs with the Lions or Bijan with the Falcons.
Having an solid or better o line and solid or better receiving core is necessary to get the value out of higher level RBs.
And the Giants need atleast 1 Upgrade at WR and 2 Upgrades at the o line (new guys or development guys already on the roster) to have that.
When I was criticizing not having Saquon I was more referencing how I think it’s hard for Mara to watch him be great for the Eagles. I do agree with you that I wouldn’t have paid him either. As good as he is this year for Philly, it wouldn’t have been the same production in NY
@@nathanroyster1324 Oh for sure. All I was trying to say is they had so many options and taking a running back at 2 was the literal worst on. Saquon is an amazing talent but we saw him year after year get like 15 runs of 2 yards or less then 1-2 x 20+ yard run every game because our line was so bad. Running backs can be next level but without a good run blocking scheme or offensive line plus zero ariel threat he cant do anything (which is what we saw outside of his rookie year).
@@adrianbuck8772 I think the issue is we just need so much. Our biggest weakness is this idea that we can win and rebuild at the same time. We need to stop screwing around and actually rebuild. If you cant get a good QB then just pick best player available and then tank for Arch Manning haha.
Thank you for posting this on election night stressin rn needed to look away ❤
Finally!!! The giants need so much fixing. Haven’t watched this yet but I’m excited. Also a little scared
Respectfully ya sleeping on a few guys for the giants. Okereke is a good lb, I wouldn’t give up on banks at all you see the ability he’s probably gonna settle into being a cb2 but that’s still valuable, Theo Johnson is looking solid so far, still sleeping on JMS, McFadden isn’t a must keep but he hasn’t been bad, Kayvon is a better player than ojulari and the big reason you don’t keep azeez is because he’s legit NEVER healthy. I wouldn’t put stock in a contract year for an often injured player. He’s also a complete liability in the run game whereas Kayvon at least has the ability he’s just inconsistent. Other than that slayton isn’t a guy you’d want to move. Behind him there are no truly complete WRs aside from nabers and I’d want a rookie coming in to have two quality WRs to throw too especially one who’s a veteran on the team
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“We must build a wall to stop the Lazar Beams, they are BURNING the cars!” - Trump 2024, prolly
tremendous damage to the cars very sad
@ I tell you, Elon makes the BEST cars, they would have never melted!
Love watching you guys. I think Schoen and Daboll are safe. Jones is gone, but DT is a big need. We can’t stop the run. I’d love to see a big upgrade there to play next to Dexter
If you didn’t know this was a Football podcast the intro would just think this was a normal podcast
Just two dudes talking about cars
Hey guys it’s Miz. Great stuff. That black cat been wondering around the meadowlands since Mara pushed coughlin out the door.
Sorry guys brevity is not really in my vocabulary so I apologize in advance for the book you are about to read (or completely skip over that's understandable)
lorewise I think you guys pretty much hit it. It all really stems from the failure of the regime to transition from Coughlin/Eli. Coughlin's time was coming to an end, it wasn't bad to replace him when they did, but just replacing him with Ben McAdoo (partly because he told them he was on his way to an interview with the Eagles for the job that eventually went to Doug Pederson so the Giants panicked and just offered him the job) and keeping everything else the same was not great. At that point Jerry Reese was on his last legs really, and McAdoo was the final nail in that coffin.
Then instead of doing something smart and forging a new path forward, the Giants decided the best way forward was to hire Dave Gettleman to basically take the Giants back to their glory days. It ended similarly to how 2022 went just minus the wins; that year really set them back, between sticking with Eli one more year and drafting Saquon so early. Then they stink again in 2018 and have to pivot from the plan they laid out when Gettleman got here to drafting a QB early and a more standard rebuild. Trading Odell is kind of synonymous with Saquon walking in free agency to some extent. That plan never really got going as Gettleman threw Shurmur under the bus to save his own ass. And Mara finishes the Gettleman era off by hiring Joe Judge, who was not Gettleman's first choice (Gettleman wanted Brandon Staley, if I'm remembering correctly, which wasn't necessarily a better idea but at least would have been organizational alignment). Judge and Gettleman did not work well together and their two years of disaster class led to Joe Schoen and Brian Daboll.
Then 2022 happens, they pay Daniel Jones, and the rest is history, more or less.
on Joe Schoen: I think so much just gets fixed by having a QB this team can actually believe in and does elevate the team around him at all.
I think certain players that have been less than ideal so far probably benefit a lot from that. For example, Jalin Hyatt's deep speed would be a lot more useful with a QB that they trust to throw downfield more consistently. JMS probably at least looks a bit better with a QB that can escape the pocket laterally looking to throw rather than looking down at the rush and running up through the A/B gap every time. Deonte Banks might "care" more if the offense can actually be complementary and produce points. Kayvon Thibodeaux can maybe be more productive as a pass rusher when the team is scoring points and actually leading in games, instead of running 68% of their offensive snaps while trailing and just 11% of their offensive snaps while leading. 45% of their defensive snaps while trailing and 24% of their defensive snaps while leading.
He "fell into the trap" of having to draft replacements for players he brought in or drafted not just because they didn't work out, but because the timeline for them to work out got completely thrown out the window when Jones came out in 2023, stunk, then got hurt twice.
When it comes to replacing him with a really strong talent evaluator like the ones Trevor listed: It's hard not to feel like that's basically saying "well Joe Schoen didn't work so let's go find another Joe Schoen and hope that works." When we were having this conversation 3 years ago before Schoen was hired and it was like him, Adam Peters, Joe Hortiz, etc, this was all the same stuff that sold a lot of people on Schoen. He's a talent evaluator background, worked his way up through college scouting and pro personnel and then AGM with the Bills over 20+ years, winning team background in Buffalo, etc etc. For all the success stories about Spytek or whoever, I'm sure the same success stories exist around Schoen.
That's not to say that Schoen is better than those guys or the logic doesn't make sense, it just bears noting, I think. The Giants would be (fairly) firing Schoen for results and then looking for another guy with all the traits they saw in Joe Schoen that they just think might get better results. It would be fair and reasonable, you don't keep a guy if you really don't think he can get the results, but it's just hard for me to come to terms with firing Joe Schoen without really being able to pinpoint why he failed but the next guy will succeed.
That's the same reason I really like Connor's take on the HC situation: I think if you're going for Belichick or another hotshot OC, what's the point? To me the top 3 HCs that would make any sense would be Vrabel, Minter, and Flores. And each one has to come with a strong offensive staff. If you're going to fire a HC/GM, I feel like there's always going to be certain things you are looking for in their replacement that were lacking in the guy you fired.
Which makes it a really weird chicken/egg scenario with the QB. I'm personally of the opinion that if the Giants can get the QB position right, then whatever GM/HC they have will work out. But if the GM/HC aren't good enough can they get the QB right? Is it reasonable to trust Schoen/Daboll after they paid Jones (and even if ownership played a role, Schoen and Daboll also wanted to do it. If they didn't they could have pushed back on ownership; Mara wanted really badly to keep Saquon but Schoen stood his ground)?
That's largely why I'm more or less indifferent on it. I can't convince myself 100% either way. I just need the QB situation sorted out and I think everything else will fall into place.
Kafka is gone either way and he's likely the only one that would go unless the whole staff is gone. He's in the last year of his deal, Daboll pulled playcalling from him at times last year when they were struggling, it is rumoured he was supposed to be Seattle's OC instead of Ryan Grubb but the Giants blocked it.
Both the DC and STC are new this year and likely will stay. I don't think anyone wants to go through 3 DCs/STCs in 3 years. The Wink situation last year led us to Shane Bowen this year who has been generally solid. The run defense is still struggling, especially with not great run defenders on the edge, not having a good DL2 next to Dex, and the DBs being generally pretty poor outside of Andru Phillips. But the Giants lead the NFL in sacks right now and are a respectable middle of the pack defense in scoring and passing yards per attempt, despite their kindergarten secondary and Deonte Banks and Cor'Dale Flott being the main boundary corners.
Michael Ghobrial is the new STC, he was with the Jets before this year, and he has generally been fine. ST won us a game in Seattle with the blocked FG, and maybe cost us a game in Pittsburgh, with a punt that outkicked the coverage leading to a PR TD. But nothing to be fired over.
Chances are after Kafka, Shea Tierney is next up, he's currently the passing game coordinator/QB coach. Daboll brought Tierney with him from Alabama to Buffalo, then from Buffalo to the Giants. When Daboll pulled play calling from Kafka last year at times, Tierney was often the one they tried. I believe Tierney was an OC at the Senior Bowl in 2024, they're very aligned in that sense.
Eluemunor played guard in camp until they officially pulled the plug on Neal. Neal was at RT1 in camp, then reaggravated his foot/ankle injury from last year, Eluemunor moved out to RT, and the rest is history.
I like Trevor's targets, but the injury with Godwin is a little too offputting for me. This team has had a history of investing in players coming off major injuries and not being successful. Tee Higgins might be too steep a cost. Maybe the Giants could go the Diontae Johnson/DeAndre Hopkins/Amari Cooper route, maybe that would make more sense. I'd love to get Stefon Diggs back with Brian Daboll if the money and the age curve stuff makes sense.
I think needs-wise you guys overlooked IDL. The group behind Dexter Lawrence is nowhere near good enough and adding another complement to that room instead of relying on Rakeem Nunez-Roches, Jordon Riley, DJ Davidson, Elijah Chatman, and Armon Watts would probably be big help. Take some attention away from Dex if you can and maybe make some more run stops from the interior.
I think Pinnock will actually be a reasonable priority to keep, for hopefully not that much (like 4-5m AAV, in the mold of like a Josh Metellus/Taylor Rapp/Alohi Gilman/Jordan Whitehead). Letting him go to spend another 2nd rounder on a safety kind of feeds into Trevor's previous point about having to draft to replace players they brought in, in my eyes, whether that's Pinnock or Dane Belton.
This one right here🔥ADDICTS UNITE🤝🏼
Favorite part of the pod is how Connor is like a PG-13 movie. He gets one swear an episode, and he aims it for maximum effect.
Can’t wait to hear yall talk about the jaguars
Great pod fellas very insightful and entertaining. Praying for Cam Ward 🙏🏻. Having Russ Wilson get him ready would be awesome. Just like Kurt and Eli .
Favorite podcast
Basically Cam Ward (who won’t be there) is the solution? I don’t feel fixed at all 😂
Love to see how they would redraft the 2022 nfl draft ..Playing MMQB 2 yrs later is kinda easy …Also JMS as a center was probably their no 1 or 2 center on pff during the draft …Must be an indictment on pff more than drafting JMS
I think the main point being missed is when you take over as GM, there’s an evaluation period of existing scouts, staff, players and process. That’s a Five year process right there. This entire organization has almost been retooled in 3 years. I trust Daboll n Schoen to pick the QB, they wanted Maye and Daniel’s (Accurate) Bricillo, great hire will have input of Oline going fwd. Bowen most sacks in the league same on D. They need at least 5 years.
This was great 👍🏿
Listening to this while I soft side the base of someone who betrayed me
Appreciate y’all for filling the time
Wait what, when Andrew Thomas was in Oline was bad?! Do you watch their games or just go off pff grades?? Oline was far better this year that AT was in and Oline was consistent.
My near-new (2023, bought it new) Subaru impreza, I just brought it in for its 20,000 mile service (oil, brake checks, etc) and they sent me a video of the inside corner of my tires that is WORN TO THE CORDS because the alignment somehow got messed up, and they couldn’t release it back to me. I just got it back it took them 3 weeks to actually get a warranty claim for free tires done. And I had a cracked windshield in June, massive hail body damage from a storm in July, and another cracked windshield in August. Idek what to do at this point, I’m just lucky my insurance is good
I think you chalked up a lot of my thoughts about the Giants in this pod!
If the Giants end up picking at 7, I think they need to do whatever it takes to trade up for Cam Ward. Jacksonville or New England are not going to be picking QBs, so trade partners might be there (Jacksonville has shown willingness to trade down too). It might not be pretty, but Cam Ward is my QB1 from this draft and if you get a chance to him to learn from Daboll with someone like Andy Dalton holding down the fort until he's ready, I'm more than willing to flip some later picks to get Cam into NY
HELL YEAH! I was just about to go to bed and I thought man, I'd love some FYF
The perfect midnight snack
Great progrum, please do Saints after the recent firing! Would love to hear how we can fix the Franchise. Keep up the awesome content!
Trevor is maddening to listen to. His PFF draft rankings compared to the consensus is crazy. Tyler Warren at 80?!?
It would be cool to see a mid season regrade of the the draft classes and then maybe an end of season regrade of the 2024 draft class for each team. 🙏🏾 love the videos
hallelujah🙏🙏🙏 after the jets episode was waitin for this one badd🙌
I feel like you're underrating the Giants linebackers
@@danielr3587 yeah I dont think they even mentioned Okereke who shouldve been a pro bowler last year and mcfadden has been a solid player especially for a 5th round pick
I didn’t mean to disrespect the group, but it’s hard for me to look at LB as a key piece when it‘s not a Fred Warner/Lavonte David/Demario Davis etc type. The position is generally quite interchangeable outside of the truly elite
1. Draft the best QB possible, Ward or Sanders. Priority #1. Move up if necessary.
2. The browns suck and might be willing to sell, so i'd prioritize a trade for Denzel Ward. 2nd Rounder might get it done.
3. I like the idea of signing Trey Smith.
4. Throw affordable deals at Cam Bynum/Honey Badger and Godwin/Chark
5. Bring back B.J. Hill
6. Sign Russ or Brissett to serve as a bridge
7. Find a very serviceable swing tackle. See how Tyre Phillips has recovered.
- Davis Webb as the OC.
- Glenn Schumann as DC.
- Daboll and Schoen stay, hoping this draft will be like the previous one.
- Sign Godwin, Paulson Adebo, a guard, and a veteran QB.
- Draft Ward, who they'll need to trade up for! Draft more interior guys, DBs, and maybe another receiver.
*Something to ponder is that Daboll needs to give the playcalling to the OC, he just needs to manage the team. I get that he has DJ as his QB, but some of his play calls have been straight-up HELL. Also, do we trust Schoen to draft a young quarterback? What makes you think he'll be good at it? And if they fuck up (which is most likely happening), and if they're gone, the drafted QB is in a new system, and we're set back for another three years. If they both stay, we're giving Dabes and Joe ANOTHER TWO YEARS?
Davis Webb is in Denver
@ and Schumann is in Georgia so what? they both would take the coordinator positions…
Yeah that's an occasional Glass Skyscraper problem, usually happens to any 1 spot for a week or 2 a year
FINALLY!! THANK YOU!
Remember. Joe Schoen used most of the previous regimes scouts for his first draft. He fired almost all of them right after that first draft. His 2nd draft he had more of his people but he had hold overs from the previous regime still that were in high positions (like head of college scouting) he wasnt able to replace due to people he wanted not being available.
After that draft he FULLY got rid of all people from the Gettleman days. Draft 3 he had all HIS people.
Having to relive the past 8 years as a giants fan in the first 15 minutes was ROUGH to say the least😢
Couple ducks that need some attention from you guys…
- Jordan Burch
- jabbar Muhammad
- Evan Stewart (has gone crazy as of late)
- my boy Derrick Harman
I bought a 2012 Toyota Tundra earlier this year (Amazing truck have had no issues with it drives amazing). I live halfway up a hill in a cul-de-sac and park my truck in the driveway every day. After like 2 months I noticed the paint on the top of the truck was bubbling and chipping away badly. Thought it was just my truck but after asking around and looking, several people on my street have similar issues with their cars as well. At some point I'm gonna get the truck re painted because the truck is Forrest Green colored and it looks amazing and the paint on top is really chipping away and bubbling badly.
A couple weeks late to this, but my bedroom blinds seemingly randomly melted one day. They were old, so I replaced them. The new ones pretty immediately melted. Turns out this started happening when the people across the street got new windows.
Totally had that laser beam sun light at my house. took out the side mirrors on two f150's and one Honda Civic. Had to put a special film on two windows above my garage to stop the reflection. they started making the window film because the reflection was melting artificial grass in peoples yards in Las Vegas and Arizona.
Eleumenor started summer workouts at LG, while Runyan started at RG, DESPITE Runyan saying in a press conference that he feels LG is his better position AND the only experience Eleumenor had at G was on the right side. Finally in training camp when Neal opened on the PUP, Jermaine was switched to RT
1:05:00 I know i'm late but i think i need to point out that you got the dead cap cutting part wrong. Daniel Jones cap hit is 41m and his dead cap is 22m. By cutting him their total salary would go down by 41m but their dead cap hit would go up by 22m which would net them 19m in cap space. This would give them about 65 million in cap space. Love the pod guys keep it up.
The LBs Okereke and Mcfadden are both keepers on defense as well, especially McFadden on his rookie deal.
As a giants fan ive been arguing the same shit about Joe Scheon, i would have no problem moving on from him and keeping Daboll.
- handled barkley poorly, i know people say dont pay RBs but in this case you 100% pay him over Jones even taking just that season into context.
- the Jones contract is pretty bad since i 100% believe even at the time no team is givinf him that contract if you let him hit free agency.
-as a talent evaluator i just dont think he's great you guys mentioned his drafts but if you also look at his free agencies and trades you see;
• waited to sign another CB when everyone knew the secondary was a problem
• waited to pay darius slayton when he is obviously a talent WR with a bad QB
• let Tyrod Taylor go for Drew Lock as a backup QB when the previous season Tyrod look better then Jones
• Traded up for Banks (im not selling on banks yet just think in that draft it wasnt neccessary) and Traded up for Hyatt
DT next to dex is so important this offseason
Three things set this franchise back years:
1. “Tommy cutlets” winning meaningless games
2. Pats kicker
3. Playoff win vs the Vikings
How did any of those hurt the giants?
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1. Cutlets winning those games late season took them out of Daniels range
2. Idk
3. Winning the playoff game made them sign DJ to the extension
@@kenplotzke86Patriots lost multiple games on the 4th round kicker they drafted last season
@@kenplotzke86 When we won 10-7 vs the Pats last season, their kicker missed 2 kicks including the game tying FG at the buzzer. If we lost we would’ve been a lock for Maye
@@lucrative6477The Giants beat the Commanders both times last year, partly off career games from Tommy cutlets. Had they lost those games, they would have been top 3 in the draft.
After the Saints episode, we need an episode about the Miami Dolphins. They're 2-6 right now, face the Rams in LA next Monday, and have a TOUGH schedule in late november/december: @ Packers, @ Texans, @ Jets, vs 49ers. Chris Grier has been the Dolphins' GM since 2016 (he's been on the franchise for 25 years) and survived 3 different coaching changes. They have an expensive and injury prone roster, half their secondary will hit free agency, their Top3 pass rushers are currently injured, they have holes on the offensive line. Plus, they can't win big games, went to the playoffs just 5 times in this century and their last playoff win came in 2000. That's the definition of institutional failure.
The giants already did the whole coaching staff rework. DC Wink Martindale was fired. OC Mike Kafka had playcalling taken away and given to Daboll. The OL coach was fired. I believe some other assistants were fired as well
1st round cam ward 2nd round nussmeier 3rd round quinn
we are now 3/4 on cam ward as the quarterback of fix your franchise. Raiders, Jets, and now Giants
Trevor, I think you’ve been reading OTC wrong for a while. I’ve noticed this before so I want to point it out. You don’t subtract dead cap from cap savings, you subtract savings from the cap number to get dead cap. So if the giants have 48mil, then DJ’s dead cap is 22mil and savings is 19mil, them the cap doesn’t go down by 3mil, it goes up 19mil to 67mil because the $41mil total cap number is already counting against the cap before the cut. Play around with the calculator for 5 seconds and you’ll confirm this. I just thought I’d point this out because it’s come up in multiple episodes now.
I think it makes sense for Schoen to get a chance to get a QB - him hitting this draft out of the park seems like a saving grace.
but I think Patience is key. we have been super impatient since Coughlin... I am on board with seeing what happens if Daboll and Schoen can get their guy. to quote Schoen himself, "Scared money dont make money" get your guy and prove you can do this.
Always love the content but do miss some of the other vids like the stockwatch stuff
Targets in order:
Trey Smith
Paulson Adebo/DJ Reed
Amari Cooper/ Diggs
Draft:
Cam Ward
Xavier Watts/Trey Harris
Tate Ratledge/Nick Singleton
Been doing this for years fellas. Gonna start a series on Twitter called "who i wouldve drafted instead"
Should've went -
1a Thibs
1b Neal
2 Pickens/Brisker (after losing Love)
3a Khalil Shakir
3b Cade Otton
4a Tariq Woolen
4b Brandon Smith
5a Jamaree Salyer
5b Damone Clark
This is without using hindsight as a tool.
Fire Daboll and Schoen
Hire Vrabel
Stefanski (if he's fired), Pederson or even McDaniels as the OC
Cut Daniel Jones
Draft Cam Ward and sign Matthew Stafford
Joe Schoen’s decisions are frustrating: poor talent evaluation, questionable drafting, overpaying Jones, and letting key players walk with no return. I have no faith in this GM as a fan . I would honestly prefer them to clean house and hire a third party company to evaluate everyone and help with the hiring process to get the right people in the building. Look at what the commanders did. Giants need to adapt and pivot. Giants fans deserve better.
First off, EVERYONE had Neal that high. Can‘t critizice Schoen on that, after having 2 months of work done.
I‘m getting him at least 2 more years. I guess this year was his first draft with HIS scouts all along, long enough time to evaluate talent etc.
They are the guys, let them get their QB and they will be alright.
I think it's worth considering who'd be drafting ahead of the Giants and how willing they'd be to trade back. There are a lot of QB needy teams and if the Giants pick at 6 or 7 I don't think they are getting any of Ward, Sanders or Milroe.
I can't sleep so I'm gonna watch this jawn (Philly rhetoric if you haven't heard that before) 🍿
I got family in Philly so I am very familiar lol
What happened to Tyler Booker? Summer scouting was very high on him
Oh I can’t wait till they do the panthers… they gone have a field day with us 😂😂😂
Keep Shane and Daball, I loved Saquon but I think these are the right guys. Everyone says Neal is the worst pick ever but everyone and their mothers were saying this guy is a can’t miss. Daball is a hell of a coach and give him his guy. I’m a cam ward fan, he is very raw and turnover prone but I think Daball can really work with him. If the giants can go get cam then I’d be happy but they can’t force a QB, if your guy isn’t there then take Best player available. #GOBIGBLUE
Yes, it really does take two to do the actual tango
I feel bad for Schoen. His 2022 draft is largely considered a bust but for all us draft nerds, every one of us would have run to the podium for Evan Neal and Kayvon Thibodeaux based on them as prospects.
Can't wait until the Saints draft cam ward next week
LOL I can tell pff merchants when i see some.. yall didn’t get a lot wrong but a great amount watch some giant games pls
Do one on John Schneider and this year's free agent class and 10 years of offensive line negligence and tell me why he should be back
Mikhail Kamara needs to some pod love. Running away with the big ten sack lead
How did yall just figure out the sun damage cats paint over time
As a giants fan I just want stability in the front office
If you agree you can run routes without being thrown the ball then You do not need two people to tango, I have competed ballroom on a national level and when you are practicing tango you oftentimes do it on your own so you can get the step just right. a lot like running a route without someone throwing you the ball. Then once you’ve practiced your part you’ll put it together with your partner aka have them throw you the ball in this analogy . Hopefully this helps, love the podcast oh and I’m 6’1 180
can't believe you didn't cold open with the combine fight bit lol
Jms also hasn’t been struggling as much as you think watch the tape he’s been solid this year. Not amazing specifically in blitz pickup but far from bad. Banks has been getting cooked but it’s more of his inability to play the ball than anything. He’s usually in the right spot but just never makes the play
Worse than the playoff win, is the DeVito wins that kept Giants from getting Maye or Daniels. Schoen has Whiffed on every Olineman he drafted, drafted none last year. Spent all the cap to fix the line with veterans. Let Barkley walk to Eagles, who was your entire offense. And here we are still scouring the practice squads for starting Olineman!!! Dark days for us Giants fans with much more to come.
GM candidates Jon-Eric Sullivan and Milt Hendrickson of the Packers. Didn't mention them during the Jets because the optics of "GB East" after Rodgers. But those guys should at least be getting interviews.
I’m actually from the same place as Deontae Banks it’s a rough area where a lot of people don’t get out of I just wish he could get it together
For QB I’d be happy with Flacco as a bridge/veteran presence or Fields since Daboll is known as a QB guru. Wait on drafting a qb until following year, because this team will very likely be bad again!! Not sure I love any of the QB’s in this years draft.
I think doing winning teams during the season is better and wait till the end of the season for the bad teams
Dang, it’d be nice if the Giants had another major weapon on offense. Someone like Saquon Barkley would really help the offense
I'm not a Giants fan myself, but since I believe that a lot of young QBs are just not given a fair shot, I've found myself defending Daniel Jones from time to time, but at this point the writing is just on the wall. And even if you make the argument about a fair shot and wonder whether Daniel Jones could've been better elsewhere...i imagine he could have, but it's abundantly clear that he's not the answer for the Giants. They are a prime example of how much QBs matter. Yes the Giants have had loads of struggles, but imagine how much better you'd feel about this team if at least QB was sorted out.
I'm a Saints fan, and I understand you're doing one of these for the Saints? I wonder what you'll say about that, because as a fan who is at least somewhat in touch with what's going on with the Saints, I have pretty clear ideas of what I think should happen and what I feel like will actually happen. Also I don't think there's a quick fix for our situation, so I wonder what you'll draw up!
In fairness McFadden has been starting for the giants for a while now and hasn’t been bad. Not amazing but not bad if you actually watch him play. He just misses too many tackles that’s kind of the big issue but he’s been decent for tbem
there is actually. reports of people getting 3rd degree burns from the sun reflecting at some expensive. resorts in vegas. and some places in Europe. It was one architect that. designed multiple of the buildings
I know people are high on Daboll, but I can’t help but feel like this is similar to Saleh w/ Zach Wilson where Zach took all the blame for the bad parts of the team, while Saleh got all the credit for the good. And then we found out that even with Zach gone the team still had serious flaws.
Zach Wilson and Daniel Jones aren’t good QBs, but I feel like a lot of people are overlooking issues with the line and lack of weapons and blaming it all on the QBs.
Nahh there are times when Daniel Jones just doesnt want to win. But Daboll did go for two when he only needed 1 and bc of that the defense didnt know what it needed to do to win the game.There for gave up a long drive
as a Bears fan, you guys should at least consider Matt Eberflus as a DC candidate when doing these moving forward. gonna be surprised if he sticks at HC for Chicago. Flus has never been a good HC, but hes been a good DC basically his entire tenure, and i expect him to land a DC job for sure.
DUDE . I have had crazy tire issues too, except it was like 6 this year alone, I been going insane. Somebody gotta be putting Mario kart traps on the NJ roads or something
Saints have to be next right?
As a Bengals fan, I hope we can get Daboll or Brady
Saints next - gotta bring in a cap consultant