Liverpool FC - Episode 1 | Football Manager 2020 Let's Play

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  • @Jake-vn1hz
    @Jake-vn1hz 5 ปีที่แล้ว +122

    Kloop plays nice attacking and pressing football, Jack- how about no

  • @SG5002.
    @SG5002. 5 ปีที่แล้ว +42

    Viewers: what do you have there?
    Work the space petting Olmo: A smoothie

  • @imRehnzy
    @imRehnzy 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I'm loving how the Libero works this year. 3 ATB is so strong with an attacking Libero :D

  • @grimeextrinsic6055
    @grimeextrinsic6055 5 ปีที่แล้ว +55

    damn what happened to henrichs potential gheez

    • @xp3r1
      @xp3r1 5 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      exactly, thats what i was about to say, man was my best performing player at either rb or lb and i had mbappe in FM 19. Shit is peak

    • @WorkTheSpace
      @WorkTheSpace  5 ปีที่แล้ว +22

      I will rebuild him

    • @ICULooking
      @ICULooking 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      he's shite in real life.. flash in the pan

    • @gandalfthegrey7135
      @gandalfthegrey7135 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@ICULooking Not exactly shite, but not quite what people were expecting from him

  • @markmcginley559
    @markmcginley559 5 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    I’ve been really ill in hospital and I’m rinsing your content. On episode 12 of your Lyon live save and its giving me the Football manager cravings again, shame I can’t afford a laptop to play it 😂. Keep up the great content! Huge fan

  • @Pyrrho66
    @Pyrrho66 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Started my Liverpool save as well. First thought? I want my favorite player all time in any sport to finally make the move that has been talked about quite a lot. This move? Trent to Midfield!
    So, my first signing as liverpool manager was the Senegalese 20 year old Right Back, from Barcelona, Moussa Wague. Makes Mane happy as well, obviously. First 2 games(Charity shield and super cup), 2 wins, 2 clean sheets, Wague with a goal and 8.3 average rating, Trent with a goal and 2 assists and a 8.5 average rating.
    To replace lallana leaving I got Szoboszlai, to replace shaqiri leaving I got Arnor Sigurdsson....both worse than their counterparts but potential to be much better.
    With the last of the budget, and the sale of Lovren, I got another CB for the future(I'll use fabinho if need be instead) in Armini and an all around player in Olmo. Great first transfer window.

    • @knightveg
      @knightveg 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      what i don't get with the game is - potential and current ability
      with 2009 & 2010 with - 8 players easy make good players for top leagues , -9 best players in europe, -10 best player in the world
      now with the game -8 or 8.5 is just above average, -9 players for top leagues, -10 are best players in players in europe
      then in 2009 & 2010 with current ability 170+ some best players in europe
      with 2020 best players are 150 current ability but you find a wonderkid he better than any established world class players

  • @sirarchibaldblake4366
    @sirarchibaldblake4366 5 ปีที่แล้ว +32

    Wingers shooting while they should pass the ball for eazy goal, oh well.......ME problem since fm12 and it's still not fixed .. GG's

    • @IDFCBro
      @IDFCBro 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      It's an issue in real life too at most teams

    • @rpg5265
      @rpg5265 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      pros and cons affects it also, if you have a winger who has a con of fairly selfish player then thats the problem, also if the winger has a looking to shoot first than to pass ppm then thats another problem of the wingers why he is opting to shoot rather than to pass.

    • @Zakynthos39
      @Zakynthos39 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      maybe it's set to 'shoot on sight'

    • @zulhairinor6203
      @zulhairinor6203 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Maybe that is the trait. U can change it.

  • @johnread7404
    @johnread7404 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    17:43 did you see the keeper glide before taking the goal kick! Impressive!!

  • @noveltyrobot
    @noveltyrobot 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    The placement of the commercials was done expertly, like a broadcast network.

  • @byronday9068
    @byronday9068 5 ปีที่แล้ว +42

    Getting £30m for Lovren is criminal 😂 How the hell did you pull that off

    • @WorkTheSpace
      @WorkTheSpace  5 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      It’s a beta 😆

    • @Pyrrho66
      @Pyrrho66 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      I sold for 25 but with the possibility of 10 extra...of course Tottenham would have to go on to win the Champs league and Prem in 2 years for me to get that last 5 mil(5mil on appearances) so that's not happening but...Beta Baby.

    • @erenemre9461
      @erenemre9461 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      In Fm 19 I sold Henderson to PSG for 80m, that was criminal 😂

  • @otalaedwin
    @otalaedwin 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Trent is underrated as I expected. The kid is already one of the very best Right Back in the world. He should be 3.5 star in Liverpool squad.

  • @kayodeoladele2928
    @kayodeoladele2928 5 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    2 players through on goal vs the keeper and they never sweat, it always ends up in a miss

  • @ThePikachuThing
    @ThePikachuThing 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    I like the tactics man, I used to have a go to 4-2-4 back on the older FM games (2010-2014) where I'd basically do a 4-4-2 but with the 2 wide men more advanced as IF's rather than Wingers, it worked really well till FM15 then I started to have issues translating it into the game so ended up reverting to a 4-2-3-1 and for FM19 and FM20 I've been rocking 4-3-3

  • @Dayvid24
    @Dayvid24 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Really liked the first episode. I'm doing a Liverpool beta save myself. Although chose not to make any signings. Looking forward to the next episode and see how we both do. But i don't think I'll be getting through seasons as fast as you. 👍

  • @bryananchi5698
    @bryananchi5698 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I've been keenly following ur episode. Its been a great help and btw I won the community sheild 2-0 with the same tactics but diff instructions.

  • @MacPhal1
    @MacPhal1 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    The off-set midfield worked well for me in my Die Fortuna save in 19. I ran mine with a DM and a RPM. I finished the season in 9th. This set-up gives RPM's alot of room to work in. Runners like BBM and even Mez's should do well with the room too.

  • @Abdul2604_
    @Abdul2604_ 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Definitely going to enjoy the save 😍😍😍

  • @holdthisoak5767
    @holdthisoak5767 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Get dybala for sure as he can also be backup to mane and salah our wide while bobby can perhaps play cam if needed. Then get a left back. Make this series long

  • @tinotenda.
    @tinotenda. 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    what a coincidence
    that''s exactly how i started my career mode at liverpool

  • @olliemac32
    @olliemac32 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Not sure why you don’t disable the first transfer window? That’s more of a challenge surely. Not like it’s difficult with a great squad like a Liverpool’s. All the best bud.

  • @Dangerousjellyfish
    @Dangerousjellyfish 5 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Has anyone else found the 3D match engine to be really jittery???

    • @CatoInvictus
      @CatoInvictus 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Shaun Pearson FC, you're probably lagging. Ensure you have the latest drivers for your video card. If that doesn't solve it, you may need to reduce the graphics settings in FM.

    • @totalement
      @totalement 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      I'm getting some micro-stutters at 4K yeah, there's been smooth bits now and then but it's been mostly a little bit jittery yeah.

    • @totalement
      @totalement 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@notgolo I've got a i5-6500 + 1060, I'm now on latest game ready drivers but it's still a little bit stuttery. I'm guessing it'll be ironed out come release

  • @topoisomerace
    @topoisomerace 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    I am intrigued by the 4-2-4 idea, especially if you were to do it strikerless as a 4-2DM-4-0. The problem is that those wide 4 are such attacking players that you almost need three cautious central midfielders to balance them out. Maybe two DMs would be fine.

  • @kayodeoladele2928
    @kayodeoladele2928 5 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    One on one’s are broken, you can have 5 in a game and miss all, headlines after will state (team name) rue missed chances

    • @zulhairinor6203
      @zulhairinor6203 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Even in all previous edition of FM has same problem.

  • @MarcoZ1ITA1
    @MarcoZ1ITA1 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    This is exactly the same formation I use on a St. Pauli save and while it looks hideous it works well both ends, so I dig it

  • @chotspot2023
    @chotspot2023 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks for doing this!

  • @awfullybritish2853
    @awfullybritish2853 5 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    How come its more important to reach the final of the club world cup, then the fa cup final and the super cup combined.

    • @byronday9068
      @byronday9068 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Awfully British Club World Cup I think has a better income in real life, but I’m not sure

    • @Pyrrho66
      @Pyrrho66 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      It’s 2 games against crap teams, so you should win it. The other 2 are against other good teams.

    • @nedobedogaming8928
      @nedobedogaming8928 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      It`s all about the sponsors unfortunaetly, worldwide coverage is far more important to them than local comps

  • @nickmorrow8469
    @nickmorrow8469 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Have tried your old lyon live formation 3-4-1-2 and found it works great on the new game been trying it with Luton won first 5 games scoring 12 goals

    • @tomzi9526
      @tomzi9526 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      where do i get that tactic

  • @bigfoothazza
    @bigfoothazza 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    nice video, so happy the beta has dropped for the weekend, which is now going to be consumed by this puppy..

  • @JakeHanson93
    @JakeHanson93 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    8:42 - How do you get your screen like that? With the graph much bigger?

  • @KahunaGamingTV
    @KahunaGamingTV 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    “It’s kinda like a kick to go gonads” 😂😂your comedy has peaked love it 👍

  • @Chaban70
    @Chaban70 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    The formation is similar to the 4-1-2-2-1 Asymetric just wilh the ML pushed up into AML. I like it alot, it's a cool tactic.

  • @SynergyLondonElectrical
    @SynergyLondonElectrical 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    How do you get the graphics on fm20? Sports interactive haven’t made a film on my computer for fm20 yet???

  • @steeneugenpoulsen8174
    @steeneugenpoulsen8174 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Dybala has been the guy I build my teams around for years, but in FM20 I can't get any player to work in AMC, even Messi doesn't work there. Though it's possible that I just don't know how to make a tactics that use AMC, because it feels idiotic to restrict passing in a team where the average passing is close to 20, so with Inside AML/AMR + AMC and a striker, then you have two MC's to deliver the assists (And crosses from backs), because those four players will stand inside the opponents defense and won't be part of the passing game most of the time..
    Also his Big Game complex... Couldn't they at least have given him a neutral rating so he isn't playing below his stats in every important game.

  • @jonadaya
    @jonadaya 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    I hit the like button immediately

    • @jonadaya
      @jonadaya 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      started with Arsenal myself and had 10 million transfer budget XD

  • @nedwellington9952
    @nedwellington9952 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hi Jack, just wondering how you get your game view to look as it does, I too have fm20 however it looks very different so I was wondering how yours looks as it does?

  • @andremartins7601
    @andremartins7601 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Im a big fan of 3 central defenders. You think those formations will work out?

  • @Gabe-cv4yr
    @Gabe-cv4yr 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    yay fm18 match engine, peak match engine so far.

  • @7eventyn
    @7eventyn 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    JDT from Malaysia Super League 🐯

  • @devvo7896
    @devvo7896 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    WorkTheSpace Will this be the same as the lyon as if will the episodes be long

  • @mihajlodonev7948
    @mihajlodonev7948 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Can u make lets play videos with u playing Real Madrid?

  • @JeKramxel
    @JeKramxel 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Your fullbacks on attack might be a bit too much. You were definitely having trouble with runners from deep but with only 2 midfielders and such an attacking quartet, it's to be expected. The fullbacks on the other hand may be overkill, and may be cutting away space from your front 4. IF and IW really rely on space between the opposition lines.
    Really love those long balls on the match engine, they have proper weight now.

  • @onlineretro
    @onlineretro 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Do your main save as York city. Great team. New stadium. Decent non league budget. Play attacking football

  • @unitedsimplydabest
    @unitedsimplydabest 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    How did you get all the club kits and badges for the BETA???

  • @Mayklarson
    @Mayklarson 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    can you share the tactic you use?

  • @Lorenzo-te7ox
    @Lorenzo-te7ox 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Do they not have the license for Juventus?

  • @rikgarrelt1613
    @rikgarrelt1613 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Is it me, or is the game a little to easy so far? Currently first in the Buli with Werder with a goal difference of 11-0 after 3 games

  • @albusdumbledore2012
    @albusdumbledore2012 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I think Firmino might be better at CAM with supporting role to utilise his defensive skills and passes.

  • @jaytucker691
    @jaytucker691 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    gone back to FM 19 as FM 20 is annoying where the wingers don't cross but shoot every time, the crowd chants are out of sync with what is happening in the game, i've seen Sterling out jump VVD! - just isn't as good yet.
    C'mon SI sort this out!

  • @paweloneill5888
    @paweloneill5888 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    do your fm19 skins work on fm20?

  • @MumonguGaming
    @MumonguGaming 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    2D classic mode, all the numbers get left behind and trail my players. Have I set something up wrong, or is it just BETA stuff ?

  • @charlesross6122
    @charlesross6122 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Where can I dl your custom squad views?

  • @seanwhite4837
    @seanwhite4837 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Will you look at FM19 wonderkids could make Liverpool FM 20?

  • @jacobgivens7906
    @jacobgivens7906 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    How do you get the premier league logos to be accurate? In my game they are generated and different.

  • @michaelrevelez1921
    @michaelrevelez1921 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Any good not so expensive laptops than can run fm20?

  • @cornevduijn7820
    @cornevduijn7820 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Try to buy Mink Peeters, in mine Manchester United save he is an unbelievable talent

  • @pramodneupane2066
    @pramodneupane2066 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Jack you could play firmino in attacking mid and buy a striker like werner as he is linked in real life

  • @Pully02
    @Pully02 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Is this footy manager touch or mobile?

    • @WorkTheSpace
      @WorkTheSpace  5 ปีที่แล้ว

      This is the full game which is neither

    • @Pully02
      @Pully02 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Ok thx

    • @Pully02
      @Pully02 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      So what’s it called???

  • @fayzaanshabbir
    @fayzaanshabbir 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hi I'm a new subscriber

  • @abcdefg3214
    @abcdefg3214 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Any idea when the beta is out lads?

    • @Dangerousjellyfish
      @Dangerousjellyfish 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Came out yesterday my dude

    • @abcdefg3214
      @abcdefg3214 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Dangerousjellyfish yesterday haha for fuck sake I thought it was next week thanks man

  • @plsthanks
    @plsthanks 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    You should have just use the youths in the team to be 4th and 5th choice cb

  • @barkermush7147
    @barkermush7147 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Good watch!

  • @phumelelalekhoathi6648
    @phumelelalekhoathi6648 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    im not a Liverpool fan but stripping Mane off the no.10 is very disrespectful

  • @Dudilevi11
    @Dudilevi11 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    What is this formation

  • @Quash0r
    @Quash0r 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    How do you play this already?

  • @newellkevin7
    @newellkevin7 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Here we go boys!!!

  • @xx1xx0
    @xx1xx0 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    I can't play the beta. It keeps crushing 💔

  • @ThisIsTeJuYa
    @ThisIsTeJuYa 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Do you happen to be MGH? You sound so much like him!

  • @ajyana8453
    @ajyana8453 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Does anyone know why my logos aren’t working this year. I’ve transferred my files from last year into a new graphics folder in FM 2020 but they aren’t working.

    • @oliverterry5941
      @oliverterry5941 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      delete files

    • @CatoInvictus
      @CatoInvictus 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      You have to clear the cache and restart the game. In Preferences, there's a drop-down menu in the bottom left side. Click that, click to clear the cache, then restart the game and your logos should load.

    • @ajyana8453
      @ajyana8453 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Chad O'Haver that’s them working now cheers mate 👍

  • @turboatrox3487
    @turboatrox3487 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    does the fm 19 mods work for fm 20? like playerfaces league names etc?

  • @gavinhaywood9983
    @gavinhaywood9983 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Think the system is good but needs the 1st choice 11 available.

  • @seanwhite4837
    @seanwhite4837 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Not a bad Price for Lovren.

  • @williammorton8876
    @williammorton8876 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Does the Beta save your progress for when the real game comes out?

  • @tomzi9526
    @tomzi9526 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    whats the deal with this fm i cant win anyone any tactic i try is not working :S

  • @blakehillman123
    @blakehillman123 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Anyone know why Juve is Zebre?

    • @WorkTheSpace
      @WorkTheSpace  5 ปีที่แล้ว

      PES have an exclusivity deal to have them in game

    • @blakehillman123
      @blakehillman123 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thanks jack! Didn’t realize that would carry into FM, just thought FIFA.
      Love the content and excited for your FM20 journey

  • @yoogeo1
    @yoogeo1 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    You do transfers ad if you're managing rochdale and not one of the biggest teams on the planet.
    Buying championship players for Liverpool is ridiculous, even if they are just backups. Nobody buys subpar players for backup

    • @WorkTheSpace
      @WorkTheSpace  5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yeah you’re right, not like Liverpool signed Shaquiri or Andy Robertson from teams in the championship...

    • @yoogeo1
      @yoogeo1 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@WorkTheSpace You miss the point and give poor examples. Shaqiri was a youngish player who had played for Bayern Munich and was a big fish in a small pond at a team just relegated from the premiership. Easily a high level premiership player.
      Robertson again was a young player with bags of potential to play at a higher level.
      My point is obvious. You buy players who are championship quality at their peak for elite teams. You give examples of players playing below their level and/or haven't peaked yet. Your examples are of players with elite potential playing below their level.
      Nothing wrong with purchasing from the championship (shaqiri never spent a second in the championship btw), but buy players who have the potential to play higher, not actual championship level players in their mid to late twenties lol. Theres a difference between simply signing from the championship, and signing championship standard players. Imagine comparing the championship players you signed to Xherdan Shaqiri!
      It's like Real Madrid going out and signing Joe Rafferty from Preston as a backup because 'he's cheap'.

  • @jackeysharky
    @jackeysharky 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    This game looks like fifa 2000 XD

  • @joeyseverin6394
    @joeyseverin6394 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Salah, olmo and firmono are not even helping defence %1. This would not work Neither in real football nor in FM

  • @razaali4616
    @razaali4616 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Good buisness, but maybe you should have gotten Madison over Dybala, as Madison would give you a better creator which I think is what Liverpool need more at the base

  • @GrimmFilmEnt
    @GrimmFilmEnt 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Sterling scored from his first attempt on goal. FM 2020 is beyond unrealistic.

  • @ndensham
    @ndensham 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Work the “Sir Elton John” Space

  • @ShivuteSphere
    @ShivuteSphere 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Yeeeeeesssiir 🥳

  • @lukemusto896
    @lukemusto896 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Try Dybala as a false 9

  • @kayodeoladele2928
    @kayodeoladele2928 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    You’re definitely gonna create a lot of chances but you won’t score as much cause the finishing is crap

  • @yashkadam_03
    @yashkadam_03 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Why is it not Liverpool live??????

    • @WorkTheSpace
      @WorkTheSpace  5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I decided to save doing a Live save for something later in the year. The beta released yesterday and I’m away all weekend on a holiday. I didn’t want to wait until the end of next week to get the first episode out.

    • @yashkadam_03
      @yashkadam_03 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@WorkTheSpace cool man! Excited for a live series which doesn't start from 'L'

  • @tobehalim5560
    @tobehalim5560 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Dude you can't play two in midfield against City and expect to not get overrun

  • @auzziemax
    @auzziemax 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Not enough for me to buy it

  • @MagicWok
    @MagicWok 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Mane, Salah and VVD just 4 star ability?! A bit harsh...

  • @melod3827
    @melod3827 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    The formation doesn't look good at all put dybala at the middle and same for firmino

  • @db0103
    @db0103 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Van dijk and mané are underrated in this fm they Both deserve better stats

  • @AdequateBoy_
    @AdequateBoy_ 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    New here

  • @mrmcskitles
    @mrmcskitles 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    that tactic is dreadful jack mate

    • @WorkTheSpace
      @WorkTheSpace  5 ปีที่แล้ว

      I suggest watching episode 2 of you think it’s that bad

    • @mrmcskitles
      @mrmcskitles 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@WorkTheSpace haha fair enough, egg on my face!

  • @jaz0114
    @jaz0114 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Do Lyon

  • @lfcjay
    @lfcjay 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Shoulda bought Werner

  • @tfyjgfghhjthxftgh
    @tfyjgfghhjthxftgh 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Liverpool live?

    • @klumpos
      @klumpos 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yeah I thought it was going to be that. Much more enjoyable than these type of videos

  • @miladh616
    @miladh616 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Gone to another level by replacing mane with dybala, loooooooool

  • @knightveg
    @knightveg 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    not impressed with squad fillers, but is like real life

  • @zimmer1166
    @zimmer1166 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    its a shame u dont kno how liverpool play football

  • @williamtrimble3045
    @williamtrimble3045 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Stealing the number 10 from Mane is a crime

  • @rstkDev
    @rstkDev 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks for VVD, no 20s...pfff

  • @Cedisdead
    @Cedisdead 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Sry wont be watching a liverpool save so not your and not the other five youtubers who is playing liverpool. Its called fm manager not pl manager. No flame to u love ur other saves.