@@Phiyedough It's possible to reverse it, it just takes a LOT of skill. Not something you can learn in a day Any more than 3 points is (as far as I know) the point where it gets impossible
@@YouVidTuber it is a skill but many roadtrain drivers can reverse a roadtrain. especially stock crate drivers. never ceases to amaze me when Mick reverses his roadtrain up to the cattle ramp first go every time
@@Phiyedough now that length is open on all roads. And i drive same combination myself and it is not as hard to reverse as it looks. I have a few times let people come and try to drive and reverse. You get some points on the trailers where you look and correct after.
Here in Finland we also have Sisu trucks. The most powerful Sisu truck Sisu polar hybrid has 1140 horsepower (850 kw) and torque of 5000 nm. It is an absolute beast.
I drive a Scania 3-4 days a week... you will not believe how sofisticated they are!! The electronics are aware where the truck is (byb GPS) if it ‘knows’ a downhill stretch of road is ahead it will put the engine on idle to save fuel.... The 12 speed transmission is electronically/pneumatically operated,fully automatic.... you just have to choose forward-neutral-reverse.... it works great;you just push the accelerator to control speed.... In the cab comfort is great!!!!.... temperature control,air suspended seat,fully adjustable just like the steering wheel.... it is very silent inside (and out...) and the stereo is GREAT!!!! Durability??..... many of the trucks (there is around 60 where I work,supplying supermarkets,all Scania,all 15.50 mtr semi’s... I drive a different one almost every day...) covered well over 700.000 km’s and are perfectly fine..... Greetings from the Netherlands,Henk.....
The cab over trucks in Europe are also very quiet inside. I have friends who of a DAF cabover and it is as quiet as a conventional and actually quieter than a lot of conventional that I have driven. You can talk inside a DAF while the engine is running. The ride was also very smooth.
DAF 530 sands zero chance against Scania 520 in an up hill "race" with same cargo. We sadly have two DAF's among Volvos and Scanias and we have tested it many times. Volvo 460 engine is quite sad too.
@@markusylitalo8376 Well my father's side of the family is from Sweden, so obviously I would have to agree with you about the Scania. Too bad I never had an opportunity to drive one!
Big is one thing, and it does take skill to drive those monsters. But please make a video about the driving skills from some of the smaller trucks. When I lived in the countryside in Sweden, I regularly saw quite big trucks with a big trailer, that went straight in the woods on small, unstable dirt roads to load timber. No space to turn around for those drivers. What did they do? They effing BACKED the whole thing for three miles! Fully loaded, with trailer, on small, unstable dirt roads. I never saw them fail. Insane.
Its crazy what they can do here in Finland. I drive home/from home from the summer house using a road thats a transfer road for rigs like this. Its crazy how fast tou can drive on these roads by law, how skillfull the drivers are and all the while there are people like me who drive the speed limit IF the road and corners allow me to. I cant even begin to think what it is to drive with a rig like these.
@@johncunningham4820 There SHOULD be, you mean? I and the dog walked a lot along those small roads, and there was no turn around area. Just insane driving skills.
@@jokervienna6433 . What ? You walked your Dog all the way into the Logging camp without getting stopped and sent away ? From the Heavy Industrial Site . That you were not authorised to be in ? Miles into the Forest .
I was a trucker many years ago in the UK. Both Scania & Volvo launched into the UK & very quickly replaced British made trucks. They offered better reliability for the haulage companies & much better comfort & ease of use for the driver. Both Scania & Volvo offered their own turbo-charged engines & syncromesh gearbox`s, a combination that couldn`t be beaten for power & smoothness, they really were a joy to drive so they revolutionised the UK & Europe trucking scene. Over the years the likes of Mercedes, DAF, & MAN have caught up & make some very impressive products, but sadly all the UK truck makers couldn`t compete & closed. Most of my mileage was done in Scania`s & latterly in MAN`s with some Volvo & Mercedes too, all were terrific with the MAN being my favourite due to it`s superb handling. Models I drove were Volvo F88, F86, Scania 80 & 111, MAN 20-321 & 19-440, Mercedes 20-440, 21-500. The Merc`s had a joy-stick type pre-select gearbox which was unique at the time, the MAN`s an 18-speed Eco-split syncro which was superb. My favourite MAN had an Eaton Fuller Roadranger 13-speeder with lightening fast changes but leg-aching double de-clutching!
how was the joy stick pre select gearbox in the mercs? Had to do with it in a firetruck unimog and it was an unique experience, but pretty easy nonetheless.
@@maximilianeissner4759 As you suggest it was a `unique experience` but once used it I found it excellent. I`m not sure how reliable it was for the owners, but from a drivers point of view it certaily helped with fatigue over the course of a day, it also helped that it was mated to a twin-turbo 500 bhp V8!
@@iltis1963Yeah, its an old brand, but in the UK it was slower to build it's reputation compared to Volvo & Scania, but it did well eventually. I drove some very nice Daf's over the years, & the the company enjoyed their reliability too.
The 2nd trailer is a MST (Mjölby Släp & Trailer), I used to weld the frame on those. Depending how old the trailer is I might have welded that one. Still work in the same location but at a different company.
In the next village from where I happen to be now they make Närko and NTM trailers, but I think they use Jyki for lumber transportation quite a lot in Finland.
@@leiflillandt1488 There is a Jyki build in this particular combination also! The first trailer is made by Jyki. My uncle worked at Jyki in Länkipohja in the 80's. It was supposed to end the factory then due to bankruptcy in -93. But 7 independent persons bought the company and got it flourish again. They build car carrier trailers now a days too-
I drove Scania's here in New Zealand, truck and trailer, semi's, and B trains. They are really nice trucks and easy to drive especially with the Opticruise transmission which is a manual transmission but totally computer controlled, so no shift lever or clutch pedal, you drive it like any other automatic.
I agree. I drive scania normaly and last two days I had to drive mercedes and GOD BLESS SCANIA !! Reaction of a gear change and choosing which gear to put is so precise in scania while mercedes has problem with choosing gear on the straight and flat road. Mercedes is comfortable and has a lot of fancy features taken from regular cars but only for show I guess. Scania is made by drivers I think because there is solution to every small problems like for example one click on cruise control is +1km/h and further click +5km/h in benz every click is A HALF of a km per h and there is no other option. Maybe it is a small thing but scania has milion of things like that which are making your life easier. I GENUINE LOVE SCANIA haha :D
Steve Graheme,s Kenworth C Series has a 15 or 18 speed Eaton or Spicer Manual Gearbox, no geeky tech, he controls the wagon, not the wagon controlling him. Last thing Steve needs when hauling one hundred fifty tons is the geek box controlling said gearbox and clutch to go bang in the middle of nowhere,.
Welcome to Finland. Land of 1000lakes, land of rally world champions (not counting Ogier and Loeb), epic B-roads, nice summers, endless nights during the winter, driving on ice, snow, slush, gravel, sand etc. Epic epic fun as a car person. If you want to learn how to properly drive, come here during the winter, loan/rent a good car and it will suddenly click. The magic of nordic/finnish magic.
@@klasandersson7522 Kalle Rovanperä... Do I need to say more. Driving rally cars since tiny kid who could barely reach the pedals and is now the new WRC world champion. There are some nice videos of him being 11 or 13 and driving with journalist etc and scaring them to death :D
@@lknowledge Yes, I know Kalle! In 2019 I said to Harri, his father, Kalle must no more sign an agreement with a team where he isn't allowed to drive full throttle from start to finish! The rest is history... 😄
Living in Sweden, have to say that I prefer Volvo to Scania. Volvo is more well-designed and cleaner shapes. 99% of all lorries that drive longer have a sleeper cab. The one in the clip has coils behind the cabin, it makes it look longer. American trucks look like they are 10-20 years behind in development. Nice channel :)
And this Scania is a midliner aka lower roof than top line witch can make it look long. This Volvo vs Scania debate is one for the ages!! But there is a very good reason why Nordic countries are stacked with Volvos and Scanias. These two are just superior in winter time. Period! Function and reliability is the key in freezing conditions. And about Volvo, between the fist and latest FH Volvo specially the comfort was shit. With that under steering and a helm for a steering wheel. The first FH had maybe the best sitting comfort ever but with the 2nd gen they lost it all! They found it again in this latest gen. As I'm 6"4' long Volvo never get it right to see out from the cabin. Before it was the mirrors, now its the upper mounting points of the mirror that makes shade points for me.
I think the reason why these types of vehicles are rare in the US is because you have different rules there than we have here in Europe for maximal total length. Here the rules include the whole thing, so it makes sense to minimize the part that can't take any load, making more space for the load.
The finnish max length and weight rules are the biggest in Europe. These weigh and length (36m?) in this particular clip need special permit in Finland too. 34,5m (115ft) length and 76 000kg (167 200lbs) total weight are the max without special permit but with same extra requirements for the truck. Backing cameras, stability control on every unit and same kind of slippery prevention (on spots for example) above traction control etc that the truck all ready have. Might be same other more.
@@markusylitalo8376In the US, two 53ft trailers are permitted, and that doesn't include the tractor, which is standard length at 26 ft 10 inches, In case you're wondering how long it is, it's over 132.8 ft (40.48 meters) long In Montana, they also allow trucks to pull two 65ft trailers on the non Interstate highway
So regards the mention at 4:51 on the steering axles. No those are not steerable that's a fixed dolly (2 axle and a fixed turntable) and the connection to the trailer infront of it is thru a drawbar on that fixed dolly. Its very common for Swedish and Finnish trailers to have fixed 2 axle dolly's with drawbar between truck and trailer. Standard length of Scandinavian trailer is 12m (40-ish feet)
Nowdays these HCT (high capacity transport) trucks are an everyday sight in Finland and having normal box trailers or flabeds, but excluding the Jätti, they are limited to 76 tons and 34.5m in length. Would love to drive one, have only driven 25m long trucks!
Having driven a HCT, i'd say its about the same, i mean you need to hook a little more to the smaller intersections, and be weary of where you try to park, backing up takes a bit to learn :D thats pretty much it on the diffrences
The amount of sheer skill and professionalism required to drive these behemoths has increased my respect towards truckers even more. I have always respected truckers because of my upbring but its risen to new heights now. (my uncle is trucker and my grandpa never stopped yammering about how trucking is the best job etc lol)
Really like your content 👍 Your humble and curious reactions are refreshing too see on youtube and it’s so nice seeing the clips for the first time with you. Keep up the good work man! Cheers from Sweden 🥳
It is nice to see a r730 scania haul loads where the big v8 gets a workout also a handful of other countrys here in Europe is running tests with duo trailer setups where it gets up to 32m and around 70 tons roughly i remember the first time I saw one of the test trucks from scania as a 32m road train i just about gave myself whiplash i was on my way to Stockholm with a load of soap to a supermarket warehouse
There is also HCT trucks in Finland that deliver other stuff than timber. I've seen truck that delivers daily consumer goods, and container trucks with two semi trailors and I'm pretty sure there is even more.
Can also be found in Sweden. Seen several 32 meter long road trains in the Gothenburg harbor, since I hauled tank containers there. Some have the same configuration the truck in the video has, but some are just veeery long B-doubles. So the trucks are usually 6x4s or 8x4s and the first semi trailer is a 4-axle which can be loaded with a 40ft container and then a pivot disc behind it. Then another semi trailer hooked onto it which can also load a 40ft container. They use these because it's easier to reverse with, since you have to reverse into the loading sections in Gate 3 and Gate 4 in Gothenburg.
7:50 My previous truck had mechanically operated chains for driving axle: Essentially its a drive-wheel driven chain-flail. In addition to gravel dispenser. Both activate with a press of an appropriate button.
I have driven that. Basically the only problem is that there is so much weight that if you have to break any faster, the momentum tends to move the payload. And yep, the guard in the front is to keep accidental shattered reindeer bones from puncturing your radiator. You do not emergency brake that combination for a reindeer... Moose maybe, if it is big enough.
My dream Rig: Scania R770 COE 16.4-litre V8 producing 770hp and 2728ft-lb(3700nm) Torque from 1000-1450rpm. Love the videos mate keep up the good work!
Hey. Yes, Scania can handle asphalt roads in Finland, but when we start work and demand strength/durability from the car, we take Sisu for a drive. It would be fun if they made a TV series about Finland, where the drivers of wooden trucks have to drive every day, then the already existing TV series trucks on ice would be pretty soft stuff :)
Sisu's are almost solely for construction and Finnish defence. Some timber trucks but swedes are winning there too. Like comparing apples and oranges! You as finn should know better. No one wants to drive those stone sledges for distribution or long haul! What more have Sisu built in those than frame and axels?? Engine is MB, Mack, CAT, Cummins etc tranny is fuller or MB. Those MB parts don't count for shit to me.
You Said all. Let that crazy Sisu Guy sleep in His Sisu and get old fast being Young. Gosh, I drove some Sisu trucks back in THE late -70sh before I starter to drive Scania 141/142sh. Wow, driving those Scanias Then wow, it was like having sex with a Finn and a Sweden att THE same Times 😂 And believe me back Then taiking either Silja Line or Viking Line over to Sweden or coming back to Finland wow...............those days area gone 😢 I did THE as they Call it THE international driving and this was in THE late -70 Early -80sh 😊😊😊😊😊
In 2015 We went to Germany. The one thing that was more amazing to me then the bad ass cars where the trucks. My whole life has been in the automotive performnce industry. All sorts and styles all on big singles and just beautiful. Kick ass dumpers and haul trucks. We traveled 2600km between visiting family some of which I hadnt seen in 47 years. Germany Switzerland and Austria with a quick ride in France also on the way down. The Mercedes museum is one to see. They have regular trucks and even the race trucks there along with all sorts of DTM and of course F1 cars. Its a must see!!! Well when we left we had arrranged to leave our car at a hotel which shuttles us to the airport and upon arrival back picked us up and brought us back to our car. This was Newark airport in NJ. As we pulled up to exit my wife says well we are back and no more nice trucks!!!! This ratty tractor pulling a container trailer drove by and she couldnt have stated it better!!! They are amazingly quiet, powerful and never any smoke and very well cared for. Even the little box trucks are so much nicer. Modern versions of IVECO 14' box I had back in the 80's. Loved that truck.
In the Europe we only have bulldogs and relatively small cabins since the measurements are taken from the bullbar to the rear bumber and every inch in the nose or in the cabin is off from the cargo space, And those lamps on the roof are almost standard accessory since that way we get light over the little hills, so it makes it easier to drive at night. And those bars are for a reason, thou we have no kangaroos, we have reindeers/karibus and elks to muse with.
Nice to see at US guys appreciate our timber trucks. Best regards from Finland. We have COE trucks only for one reason. Over all lenght is in the law. So every inch counts. Shorter the the truck, more cargo you can get.
My dad, a timber trucker for 30+ years (owned and drove first a scania 110 then a 141, and a few more that i didnt see as i was yet to be born) said that a scania engine and a volvo drive line would be the best.
Its funny to think how far north most of Europe is given the weather in the most commonly mentioned countries, but the UK is further north than the big cities in Canada. Norway, Sweden, Finland even more so. It can really get cold there.
Heck only like a third of Alaska is above the arctic circle. Yellowknife in Canada is "only" at around 62.5 north which is pretty much the southern parts of the Nordics. The north cape in Norway, which is a tourist destination, is around 71 degrees north and you'd have to go to the northern tip of Alaska to be that far north. Barrow point in Alaska is a bit further north though. The capitals of Norway, Sweden and Finland are around 60 degrees north. Anchorage, Alaska is just above 61 degrees north.
@@hurri7720 ....and what was your problem....???? ....and what was he trolling about...??? Please mention anything that is factual inaccurate there...??? The only thing you prove with your comment is how bluntly clueless you are....
I haven't seen any yet, but my coworkers who drive towards the north have seen many, coming from Finland. I'm gonna guess that postnord are gonna use all of those 34.5 meters a lot, as well.
We only use those big trucks here in Denmark for cargo that is extraordinarily long. That wood would have been driven by 2-3 trucks here. Mostly we see the very long trains for very long wind mills or special constructions for housing. And those trucks will have small cars driving both ahead and behind and sometimes a car with crew with metal plates to make smaller roads accessible.
A cool feature in the modern trucks, still its been around 20 years or so, is that you make an phone call to the manufacturer and ask for more horsepower! If you are going over the Brenner pass for instance. I think thats pretty cool.
The point behind these long trucks is that they are more efficient - you get more goods transported per fuel unit. Benefits comes from less overhead weight from the truck and reduced aerodynamic drag compared to two trucks. Two trucks would also would require two drivers. And the road wear would actually increase due to more traffic. I have suggested it before - but you should look at ice speedway motorcycles too. That's nuts.
That fuel efficiency is trickier than that. This whole weigh thing was forced trough by the paper industry some 10 years ago. just to their own benefit. I read some where that 68 000kg was the most efficient weigh. Past that the fuel consumption raised again. This was timber drives on some truck site. And the same goes for the wear of the roads! Finnish roads are mostly built in 60's->80's. Some parts later. So they are not built for weighs like 100 000 kgs. Specially in southern Finland the condition of the roads are a shame! They can't keep them good for one year! What about safety?? That thing don't stop on a dime. The load weigh is so high that I bet it doesn't matter how you strap around with chains it tends to keep moving forward while you brake. Enough is enough! 76t is the max load as long as the roads are like this. I drive Road no 1 in Finland daily with a 32m "double d" and even that road is hill climbing enough and for weights we have now. And for the driver matter this increases unemployment. At the end the benefit goes again for the government and forest/paper industry. As most forests are owned by the government!
in the eu we have 90% cabovers because of the eu rule that states that the whole combi (truck and trailer have a maximum length) wich means if we use a truck with a nose it cost us cargo ( truck with nose gets a shorter trailer to not exceed the maximum lenth) and cabovers can have longer trailers wich automatically means more cargo
Finnish trucker here, my daily drive is a scannia R450 box truck with a full trailer of 13-17.5m, total max weight of 76t. if you have any speciffic questions im happy to answer them
@@rapidbanana162 akseleista ne tonnit tulee. joss rekkarissa on 76t niin siitä vaan. ei se kyllä hirveen vikkelä ole niin ei pitkiä matkoja kannata ajella
@@Ettap96 "76 tonnin kokonaismassaan pääseminen edellyttää autolta ja perävaunulta tiettyjä vaatimuksia, kuten riittäviä teknisiä akselimassoja, vähintään 19,3 metrin ääriäkseliväliä ja teholtaan 380 kW:n eli 510 hevosvoiman moottoria."
roadtrains driving on public roads in various port areas around in Sweden and Finland have up to 5 semi trailers, 27 axles, 90 meter long, up to 300 tonnes heavy and anything from 600 to 750 hp on the tractor unit; I guess they can keep up?
The giant has 730 hp so gotta give credit where it's due bud. But yeah, us euro folk aint got no open deserts for road trains, seems weird to me this is more efficient due to the nature of the route but it is what it is.
Where that truck is headed is around 300km above the arctic circle with temperatures in the winter being - 35 to - 50 which is why it's cold and snowy in October.
@8:43 How long before the driver receives a phone call, "Damn it Karl! You forgot to switch the lights to green again! Ppl have been waiting here for 2 hours!" :)
4:47 - what you see here is a connection piece that adds a second semi trailer to the already existing truck. It has the regular axle you have at smaller trailers and a "saddle" (that's how it's called in German) where you can hook the trailer on to. That's also the reason why it's great for navigation. This small piece has 2 turning points
I'm watching this today, 21st of september 2023 and first snow came yesterday in the north. Apparently about 8 inches at once and it got people by surprise.
There are road trains in some parts of Canads. They require permits and specific routes. Ontario runs dual 40' trailers with a max total length of 33m on the 401 and a few other roads. Also require minimum 425hp truck and ESP and various other conditions. They call them LCV (long combination vehicle).
@@RoisinT2 104 tn required a loader in the terminal. Lighter unit can carry it's own loader. Also lighter units can drive out in the forestroads with out them failing under the weight erc. And I think also cost effectiness.
@@IkeVMAX4 Lighter "regular" trucks dont drive that long haul with loader, either. This 104 was only for that long haul, never meant to be in forrest/smaller roads. So imo they are not the reason. This cost effective compared to is benefit might be the real reason.
Sweden has started to use 80 tons electrical timber trucks i the north of Sweden. A Scania truck developed together with SCA (Big timber company). Not really as big as the 108 ton truck but still pretty impressive, and really cheap per km/mile. :)
These extra long timber trucks were a test project called ETT (the word for the number one in Swedish), here an abbreviation for En Trave Till=one more bundle (of logs) for trucks carrying four instead of three bundles of standard length logs. I've Googled around without finding much about what happened to the project. I don't think they are commonly used, maybe still only as a test or if it even was discontinued.
road trains in Europe are called high-capacity vehicles ( HCV's)are already allowed and used in Belgium, Denmark, Finland, most German federal states, the Netherlands, Portugal, Spain and Sweden. if you have Euro Truck Sim 2, you can own/drive them
There is a Finnish truck brand Sisu by Oy Sisu Auto Ab. They produce also military vehicles. One of the world's leading manufacturers of forest machines Ponsse has also some interesting topic related big machines. As do Valtra. Videos: The Most Powerful and Impressive SISU Trucks You Have to See 900+ Hp Hybrid Truck 8-pyöräinen maastohirmu - Markku Alén & Sisu, osa 2/2 (Teknavi 2015) Sisu XA-185 Vesiajo -11 Ponsse Scorpion King ᴴᴰ Valtra forestry tractor logging in wet conditions VALTRA N SERIES - PERFECTION IN SIZE, POWER AND COMFORT
Yeah that's just an Adouble ( twin 40 to 48ft trailers ), not even considered a road train here in Australia by some lol, tiny bit shorter is the Bdouble ( 20 to 25ft A trailer with 40 to 48ft B trailer ) and their dime a dozen around Australia including cities
Here in Brazil, 30 meters trucks is common to see, even in some urban areas, with 9 axles and 72tons of gross weight, but you can see some beasts in non regular roads, some up to 52 meters and 250 tons.
In WA which has the highest "Long Vehicle" length in the country at 27.5m, a 30+ metre a A-double is most definitely considered a road train. Maybe not colloquially, but certainly legally. You need to get about 400km north of Perth before you're allowed 55m triples.
just for info,its not MAN its M.A.N a shortform for : Maschinen und Anlagenbau,Nürnberg (Machinery and equipment Factory,Nürnberg ).the extra space behind the sidewindows is where the bed is located.you hinge it down when you take your rest.
I drive the same (4 axle) timber truck in Estonia, it's also Scania, but NextGen from 2018 with almost 800.000km on the clock (got it new, but in couple of months I will get a brand new one). Only mine has also crane on it and trailer is shorter :) I have been driving different trucks in the past, most of all Scanias, which is my favourite for years now. Also Volvos, but at the beginning of my trucking carrier DAF, MAN, Iveco, Mercedes, Sisu. As I said, my favourite is Scania, which I've been driving about 15 years now. What comes to the truck in the video, it's Scania R730 from previous generation and at that time 730 was the biggest engine on Scania. On the truck, only the last axle is liftable, because 3rd and 4th axle are drive axles and You cannot lift them. On the whole train are 5 axles liftable, but only 4th axle on a truck is steerable. About the video- it's cool to see american's opinion abot the trucks from rest of the world, but in comments- there are many "mine is biggers than Yours" etc comments :D BTW, if You want, I have some videos from driving in Norway, Swedish truck shows and my present work on my channel, too :) Keep on trucking (at least I will)!
The first trailer has steering on its last axle. The crashbar on the front is because of the reindeers in the northern areas of finland. Scania and volvo are topping 730hp and 750hp.
Hi , I am from Europe and we call this as HCT what is a high capacity transport, and usually use on this hard work suspension 8x4 truck, I like your reaction on Europe truck. and i am glad you interesting about this.
America has had private logging roads set up for massive 12ft. wide road going trains delivering logs to river systems for storage. Although all of this activity has been off shored and the trains are no longer running here in Oregon.
fun fact about that kinda truck and trailer. The truck is a Scaina with 730HP and got an V8 engine, first part om the combination of the truck is the first section of the trailer, its so called long trailer with 4 axels, I think 2 of them u can raise up in the air to shorten the axel distance to make it easier to turn around and steer. After the trailer its connected to a 5 axel wagon. It do not have steering, but that u was reffering to is called a dolly, the 2 front axels are connected to a disk that makes them turn, last 2 of the 3 axels on the wagon can be raised. The reason why u can lift so many axels is because when u are emtpy and u got all axels down, u got no weight on them, so u lift all of axels to increase the weight to those axels just in case there is ice or snow.
@@hurri7720 yes that is correct. you lift all the axels when u are emtpy to reduce friction, but you allways have them down when you are fully loaded, because otherwise you have to much axel pressure on the road.
@@hurri7720 oh okey, yea its very commen here in sweden/finland/norway that u lift axels during the winter. Or you do not lift them, there is 2 diffrent buttons in the trucks. First one is the lift axel buttons, you can only use that when u are emtpy, otherwise the truck sais that u are to heavy to lift any axels, but then u have a diffrent button that u can force the axel to go up anyway ( mostly the last axel on the truck ), that button by passes the weight restriction and lift the axel of the ground, mostly only works for the truck and not the axels on the wagon/trailer. I think it's very cool to see how diffrent contries like ous up here and for example USA etc have diffrent trucks and how we use them, very intresting for me.
Just found your video. The axles that are steerable are the front(obviously :D) the last one on the first trailer, and the first two on the last trailer is actually a dolly, all this to make cornering these behemoths a little easier. Drivability wise, i'd say its not that much worse than the regular 25 meter one's, a little harder to find a break spot and need to hook a bit more on intersections.
@@magnusE7That would be correct, missed it since there are literally a 100 different ways they might fit the truck itself😂 the trailers however need to remain specific according to the laws, but there are ton of different configurations of them aswell😅
This Scania features a Scania's own 16.4 Litre 730hp (537kW) V8 Engine which produce 3500Nm of Torque. But now, Scania produce the most powerful truck engine in the world, A Euro 6F Spec 16.4 Litre V8 Engine which produces 770hp (566kW), 3700Nm of Torque. Truly Kings of the road regarding power
We don't quite see the biggest ones here in the UK, but I've seen plenty of doubles and that shit is scary when you're behind it on a steep hill. In Wales, a lot of the logging is on steep hillsides and ugh it just doesn't sit right with me.
Hello. Here in the Netherland we have a thing called LZV, Long heavy vehicle. road legal 25,25meter and 60 ton . I drive one myself. Daf xf with 480hp I haul a 20ft an a 40ft shipping container but can also haul 3x 20ft. Mine is like a B double as used in the US and Canada I believe
You gotta understand that we don't have those quaint old trucks that aussies and Americans use. We have top of the line trucks here. Some years ago Volvo FH 750 was the monster truck of the world but now we have the most modern and cut of the edge trucks Scania 770. It's the most powerful serial produced truck in the world, most modern and lowest consuming truck as well.
American trucks had over 700 horsepower already in the 1960:s. Fuel consumption is only critical to those who drive too cheap. "Technology" is something that only causes problems. Top of the line is not what I'd call the ugly slow junk in Sweden.
Hi coming from England I am the guy asked you to take A look at Heavy Haulage A.L.E Mammoet in the UK and that was a bit tight Australian world record measured 1 MILE GUINNESS WORLD RECORD is Hold by John Atkinson driving A Single MACK PRIME MOVER WHILE TOWING 112 Trailers fully loaded and the road is straight. You was definitely impressed with the VOLVO FH 750 ALL THE BEST FROM NOTTINGHAMSHIRE ENGLAND👍👍👍👍👍👍👍
My favorite european truck design is the one of both generations of Volvo FH (2009 / 2016), especially the "750" edition. Still, the Scania S730 is a monster to be reckoned.
"Fun fact": the Scania 730 outpulls the Volvo FH 750 going uphill. Not by much, but still... There is a video from a Norwegian timber trucker, where he pits his trucks against each other. Both are still beasts😉👍
@@Zteffe666 "Fun Fact" The Volvo is more reliable than the Scania. Gaining 5 sec on that climb, how many trips do you need to do to outperform the Volvo while being at the workshop?
@@fredrikalfson1541 that's funny, the last two years of my driving career I drove brand new Volvos and Scanias No-Se-Fi and every bloody time I had to drive a Volvo it would end up with a trip to the workshop, whereas the Scanias were problem-free. And the availability of parts? They had to order a simple exhaust sensor from BELGIUM in Volvo Gävle. What a cheap Chinese joke.
@@tanelpolts7257 that sucks, im sorry for your experience. I really think both Scania and Volvo are good trucks. The point was that a 4 second gain in a steep hill has no real benefit. Look at the total usability not some stupid hillclimb comparison. I remember the shortage of those nox sensors. Quality was sub par. Thank god that problem does not exist today. Have a great day!
Hello from Sweden! In a previous video (can't remember which one) you asked what we call brushguard.... I think I've heard someone call it a Moose Fence XD Because there's a lot of moose around here and collisions aren't that rare :p
I live in northern Sweden, basically same climatem 300km (200 miles) between me and rovaniemi, last 20 years earliest snow was September 11th (remember because year after the towers...) and latest snow was midsummer's eve (june 23rd) so climate is challenging for agriculture (none really), and population is spread really thin about same as Northern Alaska, some mines and communities around them buh not many large cities.
Yes very similar but Finland decided to try to keep northern Finland also rather populated, perhaps more so than Sweden. I think there is a "military" reason for it too. There are pictures taken by satelits by night and as far as I remember this difference is visible on those pictures with more light on the Finnish side of the border.
Not sure if you seen trucks from Canada, Hayes and Pacific off-road logging trucks were king on the west coast, there were some Mack’s and Kenworth trucks but not as many. Planetary hubs, water cooled brakes, hauling big trees, 30ft loads on 16ft bunks, 110+ tons was common back in the day when these trucks were used. Road trains were used on these trucks in some places but on the west coast they were seldomly used, the steep grades, small roads, and lots of switch backs made long road trains obsolete for west coast logging.
We use these long road trains only main road long distance transporting, mosty solid wood to the sawmills or woodchips tote power / heat boilers. Greetings from Finland!
in the Netherlands we have a slightly smaller road train it is called the lzv it is 25.75 long quite strange because we are one of the smallest countries and still have a road train
Yeah, those were standard in Sweden, Finland and Norway before the HCT:s came. The majority still is, but the equipment is slowly moving to regular semi or HCT.
....you say 25,75m ...but are you sure...maybe 25,25m as in other countries. Whatever....I can understand that such a truck will be difficult to fit within the borders of the Netherlands....
Your pronounciation of Scania is close but the way I (a swede) say it the first A is like the A in Awesome or Artificial or Architect. Sort of like sk-awe-nia. The rest is pretty much spot on.
Finnish trucks have those kind of bull bars on the front very often since, it may be nearly impossible to stop in time for reindeer and deer in general especially with 104tonnes of weight. Additionally those lights are very useful especially in the winter when the north of Finland gets only 2-4hrs of daylight.
Finland is a bit like northern Canada for you... So yes, it's cold earlier and night too...as a reminder Paris is on the same latitude as Quebec...Thank you the gulf stream for its warmth...
Thats a special one even here in Finland. Actually I think its Santa's brother who has it. Once a year they help Santa with Christmas trees 🫢🎅 Seriously.. we have roadtrains with 76 tons in regular traffic all over the country. This 104t is allowed just in Lapland
IWrocker, one thing I love about Scania is how well they would fit into the US, in multiple ways; Only use V8s (afaik), the displacement is 16.4L exactly which is = 1000.7 cubic inches, so 1000 cubes V8, does it get more poetic American than that? :) Turbodiesel V8 ofc, with a great sound that would make most mid-west/southern Americans smile and close their eyes and enjoy the moment.
Then it should be the longline version with the big sleeper, that they built some years back. A 77 V8 longline with straight pipes... great for both eyes and ears. 🙂
@@lbernau Scania tried to enter the North American market years ago but no one wanted them. Or, as one of my friends once said; that's the ugliest truck I have ever seen!
It's a 730 hp Scania V8 with double semi-trailer. In Sweden 34,5 m trucks are allowed, while in Denmark 25,25 m are maximum. In the rest of Europe, 18,75 m are end of line. Scania tried to enter the USA market back in the 1980s, but retraced again due to the high cost of building up an organization. You can buy Scania in Mexico and all over South America.
Basically you are correct. Germany allows 25,25 m trailers though. Been like, 2018 or so. Don't know if only with individual permission, but I do see them then and now.
More countries allow longer trucks. 25,25 Finland was first, then Sweden, then Netherlands, Denmark on some routs, then Norway on som routs and now Germany allows 25,25 on some routs.
Full respect to all active truckers out there in America, Australia, Africa where ever you are, don't want to question their driving skills when many of them probably have been driving for many years but remember, the years of driving is not what makes you to that good driver but the focus you manage to keep while driving day agter day. I have only been driving double HCT's in Eurotruck 2 between Norway, Sweden and Finland and that's a challenge enough for me but how do you measure these skills? I believe our road network in Europe is the true Challenge even for ourselves. Take a look at "Alex Tidstroms" driving videos in Sweden. He is a great driver in my opinion..
this is called hct-combination vehicle (hct = high capacity transport) and it have 2 semi trailers connected with dolly. normally they can weight max. 76 tons
There are only a few big players in the Truck market, the biggest is Daimler Benz, biggest US company is Paccar(5.Worldwide) with the Brands Peterbuilt, Kenworth and DAF. 2 more european companys are in the top 10 worldwide 4. Volvo and 7. Traton. Traton is VW with the brands Scania, MAN, VW Trucks, Neoplan and in the US Navistar with IC Bus and International. The Rest comes from Asia 4 Companys in China and one in India(Tata) and Japan(Isuzu)
'Ive been driving a Scania for 25 years now and I can tell you that that feeling has remained the same... there's something about it.. I can't say what but..
It's basically 2 semis, but the second truck is replaced with a dolly, hooked to the back of the first trailer. So it has 3 points of articulation.
They didn't mention if the driver can reverse it.
@@Phiyedough It's possible to reverse it, it just takes a LOT of skill. Not something you can learn in a day
Any more than 3 points is (as far as I know) the point where it gets impossible
@@YouVidTuber it is a skill but many roadtrain drivers can reverse a roadtrain. especially stock crate drivers. never ceases to amaze me when Mick reverses his roadtrain up to the cattle ramp first go every time
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@@Phiyedough now that length is open on all roads. And i drive same combination myself and it is not as hard to reverse as it looks. I have a few times let people come and try to drive and reverse. You get some points on the trailers where you look and correct after.
Here in Finland we also have Sisu trucks. The most powerful Sisu truck Sisu polar hybrid has 1140 horsepower (850 kw) and torque of 5000 nm. It is an absolute beast.
900hp and something like 3600Nm for 15 seconds.
Yeah and Sisu is the only brand that has Fuller box as an option.
@@back2sqr13 Fuller is the reason they can not use more powerful engines.
@@V8Lenny Newer model has 1140 hp and 5000 Nm for up to 45 seconds.
@@NordicWiseguy no it doesnt. They tested it with that power and it broke. No one is buying those hybrids anyway.
I drive a Scania 3-4 days a week... you will not believe how sofisticated they are!!
The electronics are aware where the truck is (byb GPS) if it ‘knows’ a downhill stretch of road is ahead it will put the engine on idle to save fuel....
The 12 speed transmission is electronically/pneumatically operated,fully automatic.... you just have to choose forward-neutral-reverse.... it works great;you just push the accelerator to control speed....
In the cab comfort is great!!!!.... temperature control,air suspended seat,fully adjustable just like the steering wheel.... it is very silent inside (and out...) and the stereo is GREAT!!!!
Durability??..... many of the trucks (there is around 60 where I work,supplying supermarkets,all Scania,all 15.50 mtr semi’s... I drive a different one almost every day...) covered well over 700.000 km’s and are perfectly fine.....
Greetings from the Netherlands,Henk.....
The cab over trucks in Europe are also very quiet inside. I have friends who of a DAF cabover and it is as quiet as a conventional and actually quieter than a lot of conventional that I have driven. You can talk inside a DAF while the engine is running. The ride was also very smooth.
I don't mind the look of the DAF but it's a DAF
Euro trucks are like luxury cars
DAF 530 sands zero chance against Scania 520 in an up hill "race" with same cargo. We sadly have two DAF's among Volvos and Scanias and we have tested it many times. Volvo 460 engine is quite sad too.
@@markusylitalo8376 Well my father's side of the family is from Sweden, so obviously I would have to agree with you about the Scania. Too bad I never had an opportunity to drive one!
So u can not talk inside a Petrbuilt when engine is running?
Big is one thing, and it does take skill to drive those monsters. But please make a video about the driving skills from some of the smaller trucks. When I lived in the countryside in Sweden, I regularly saw quite big trucks with a big trailer, that went straight in the woods on small, unstable dirt roads to load timber. No space to turn around for those drivers.
What did they do? They effing BACKED the whole thing for three miles! Fully loaded, with trailer, on small, unstable dirt roads. I never saw them fail. Insane.
They don't need much space. Old but gold: th-cam.com/video/AH66TfHs2ik/w-d-xo.html 😉
There WOULD be a turn-around area at the Loading site , count on it .
Its crazy what they can do here in Finland. I drive home/from home from the summer house using a road thats a transfer road for rigs like this. Its crazy how fast tou can drive on these roads by law, how skillfull the drivers are and all the while there are people like me who drive the speed limit IF the road and corners allow me to. I cant even begin to think what it is to drive with a rig like these.
@@johncunningham4820 There SHOULD be, you mean? I and the dog walked a lot along those small roads, and there was no turn around area. Just insane driving skills.
@@jokervienna6433 . What ? You walked your Dog all the way into the Logging camp without getting stopped and sent away ? From the Heavy Industrial Site . That you were not authorised to be in ? Miles into the Forest .
I was a trucker many years ago in the UK. Both Scania & Volvo launched into the UK & very quickly replaced British made trucks. They offered better reliability for the haulage companies & much better comfort & ease of use for the driver. Both Scania & Volvo offered their own turbo-charged engines & syncromesh gearbox`s, a combination that couldn`t be beaten for power & smoothness, they really were a joy to drive so they revolutionised the UK & Europe trucking scene. Over the years the likes of Mercedes, DAF, & MAN have caught up & make some very impressive products, but sadly all the UK truck makers couldn`t compete & closed. Most of my mileage was done in Scania`s & latterly in MAN`s with some Volvo & Mercedes too, all were terrific with the MAN being my favourite due to it`s superb handling. Models I drove were Volvo F88, F86, Scania 80 & 111, MAN 20-321 & 19-440, Mercedes 20-440, 21-500. The Merc`s had a joy-stick type pre-select gearbox which was unique at the time, the MAN`s an 18-speed Eco-split syncro which was superb. My favourite MAN had an Eaton Fuller Roadranger 13-speeder with lightening fast changes but leg-aching double de-clutching!
how was the joy stick pre select gearbox in the mercs? Had to do with it in a firetruck unimog and it was an unique experience, but pretty easy nonetheless.
@@maximilianeissner4759 As you suggest it was a `unique experience` but once used it I found it excellent. I`m not sure how reliable it was for the owners, but from a drivers point of view it certaily helped with fatigue over the course of a day, it also helped that it was mated to a twin-turbo 500 bhp V8!
DAF is a old brand :) not caught up :)
@@iltis1963Yeah, its an old brand, but in the UK it was slower to build it's reputation compared to Volvo & Scania, but it did well eventually. I drove some very nice Daf's over the years, & the the company enjoyed their reliability too.
The 2nd trailer is a MST (Mjölby Släp & Trailer), I used to weld the frame on those.
Depending how old the trailer is I might have welded that one.
Still work in the same location but at a different company.
In the next village from where I happen to be now they make Närko and NTM trailers, but I think they use Jyki for lumber transportation quite a lot in Finland.
@@leiflillandt1488 There is a Jyki build in this particular combination also! The first trailer is made by Jyki. My uncle worked at Jyki in Länkipohja in the 80's. It was supposed to end the factory then due to bankruptcy in -93. But 7 independent persons bought the company and got it flourish again. They build car carrier trailers now a days too-
I drove Scania's here in New Zealand, truck and trailer, semi's, and B trains. They are really nice trucks and easy to drive especially with the Opticruise transmission which is a manual transmission but totally computer controlled, so no shift lever or clutch pedal, you drive it like any other automatic.
Sounds nice!!! 🎉👍
Interesting. A friend of mine in NZ wouldn't drive a European truck for any amount of money.
@@ImForwardlook Feels more like a him problem than a problem with the hardware honest.
I agree. I drive scania normaly and last two days I had to drive mercedes and GOD BLESS SCANIA !! Reaction of a gear change and choosing which gear to put is so precise in scania while mercedes has problem with choosing gear on the straight and flat road. Mercedes is comfortable and has a lot of fancy features taken from regular cars but only for show I guess. Scania is made by drivers I think because there is solution to every small problems like for example one click on cruise control is +1km/h and further click +5km/h in benz every click is A HALF of a km per h and there is no other option. Maybe it is a small thing but scania has milion of things like that which are making your life easier. I GENUINE LOVE SCANIA haha :D
Steve Graheme,s Kenworth C Series has a 15 or 18 speed Eaton or Spicer Manual Gearbox, no geeky tech, he controls the wagon, not the wagon controlling him. Last thing Steve needs when hauling one hundred fifty tons is the geek box controlling said gearbox and clutch to go bang in the middle of nowhere,.
Rovaniemi is at arctic circle, and many areas mentioned are a lot further north.
Finland in general is located at same latitudes as Alaska.
Welcome to Finland. Land of 1000lakes, land of rally world champions (not counting Ogier and Loeb), epic B-roads, nice summers, endless nights during the winter, driving on ice, snow, slush, gravel, sand etc. Epic epic fun as a car person. If you want to learn how to properly drive, come here during the winter, loan/rent a good car and it will suddenly click. The magic of nordic/finnish magic.
Annybody who has ever watched a Finnish rally knows the heritage! Want a good driver? Contact a Finn! 😎
@@klasandersson7522 Kalle Rovanperä... Do I need to say more. Driving rally cars since tiny kid who could barely reach the pedals and is now the new WRC world champion. There are some nice videos of him being 11 or 13 and driving with journalist etc and scaring them to death :D
@@lknowledge Yes, I know Kalle! In 2019 I said to Harri, his father, Kalle must no more sign an agreement with a team where he isn't allowed to drive full throttle from start to finish! The rest is history... 😄
1000 lakes = 188.000 lakes
Living in Sweden, have to say that I prefer Volvo to Scania. Volvo is more well-designed and cleaner shapes. 99% of all lorries that drive longer have a sleeper cab. The one in the clip has coils behind the cabin, it makes it look longer. American trucks look like they are 10-20 years behind in development. Nice channel :)
You are a parade example of limited (or non-existent) European knowledge. "Proud to be a slave"-mentality.
I prefer Volvo to Scania, also. Wat more comfortable, more enjoyable to drive, etc.
And this Scania is a midliner aka lower roof than top line witch can make it look long. This Volvo vs Scania debate is one for the ages!! But there is a very good reason why Nordic countries are stacked with Volvos and Scanias. These two are just superior in winter time. Period! Function and reliability is the key in freezing conditions. And about Volvo, between the fist and latest FH Volvo specially the comfort was shit. With that under steering and a helm for a steering wheel. The first FH had maybe the best sitting comfort ever but with the 2nd gen they lost it all! They found it again in this latest gen. As I'm 6"4' long Volvo never get it right to see out from the cabin. Before it was the mirrors, now its the upper mounting points of the mirror that makes shade points for me.
We can all agree that volvo and scania are the only trucks worth considering, especially for our nordic climate.
I think the reason why these types of vehicles are rare in the US is because you have different rules there than we have here in Europe for maximal total length. Here the rules include the whole thing, so it makes sense to minimize the part that can't take any load, making more space for the load.
The finnish max length and weight rules are the biggest in Europe. These weigh and length (36m?) in this particular clip need special permit in Finland too. 34,5m (115ft) length and 76 000kg (167 200lbs) total weight are the max without special permit but with same extra requirements for the truck. Backing cameras, stability control on every unit and same kind of slippery prevention (on spots for example) above traction control etc that the truck all ready have. Might be same other more.
@@markusylitalo8376In the US, two 53ft trailers are permitted, and that doesn't include the tractor, which is standard length at 26 ft 10 inches, In case you're wondering how long it is, it's over 132.8 ft (40.48 meters) long In Montana, they also allow trucks to pull two 65ft trailers on the non Interstate highway
So regards the mention at 4:51 on the steering axles. No those are not steerable that's a fixed dolly (2 axle and a fixed turntable) and the connection to the trailer infront of it is thru a drawbar on that fixed dolly. Its very common for Swedish and Finnish trailers to have fixed 2 axle dolly's with drawbar between truck and trailer. Standard length of Scandinavian trailer is 12m (40-ish feet)
Nowdays these HCT (high capacity transport) trucks are an everyday sight in Finland and having normal box trailers or flabeds, but excluding the Jätti, they are limited to 76 tons and 34.5m in length. Would love to drive one, have only driven 25m long trucks!
Having driven a HCT, i'd say its about the same, i mean you need to hook a little more to the smaller intersections, and be weary of where you try to park, backing up takes a bit to learn :D thats pretty much it on the diffrences
The amount of sheer skill and professionalism required to drive these behemoths has increased my respect towards truckers even more. I have always respected truckers because of my upbring but its risen to new heights now. (my uncle is trucker and my grandpa never stopped yammering about how trucking is the best job etc lol)
Really like your content 👍 Your humble and curious reactions are refreshing too see on youtube and it’s so nice seeing the clips for the first time with you. Keep up the good work man! Cheers from Sweden 🥳
Thank you so much 😎🎉
Probably a scania v8 they sound great you should hear them😍
@@IWrocker this is a must ❤️
th-cam.com/video/omIa4QXDcbg/w-d-xo.html
Love my V8 Scania. So much power. Comfort and speed. And the sound.
It is nice to see a r730 scania haul loads where the big v8 gets a workout also a handful of other countrys here in Europe is running tests with duo trailer setups where it gets up to 32m and around 70 tons roughly i remember the first time I saw one of the test trucks from scania as a 32m road train i just about gave myself whiplash i was on my way to Stockholm with a load of soap to a supermarket warehouse
There is also HCT trucks in Finland that deliver other stuff than timber. I've seen truck that delivers daily consumer goods, and container trucks with two semi trailors and I'm pretty sure there is even more.
Can also be found in Sweden. Seen several 32 meter long road trains in the Gothenburg harbor, since I hauled tank containers there. Some have the same configuration the truck in the video has, but some are just veeery long B-doubles. So the trucks are usually 6x4s or 8x4s and the first semi trailer is a 4-axle which can be loaded with a 40ft container and then a pivot disc behind it. Then another semi trailer hooked onto it which can also load a 40ft container. They use these because it's easier to reverse with, since you have to reverse into the loading sections in Gate 3 and Gate 4 in Gothenburg.
7:50 My previous truck had mechanically operated chains for driving axle: Essentially its a drive-wheel driven chain-flail. In addition to gravel dispenser. Both activate with a press of an appropriate button.
2:35 in germany we say "Bullenfänger" and i think it´s beautiful ^^
I have driven that. Basically the only problem is that there is so much weight that if you have to break any faster, the momentum tends to move the payload. And yep, the guard in the front is to keep accidental shattered reindeer bones from puncturing your radiator. You do not emergency brake that combination for a reindeer... Moose maybe, if it is big enough.
My dream Rig: Scania R770 COE
16.4-litre V8 producing 770hp and 2728ft-lb(3700nm) Torque from 1000-1450rpm. Love the videos mate keep up the good work!
Hey. Yes, Scania can handle asphalt roads in Finland, but when we start work and demand strength/durability from the car, we take Sisu for a drive. It would be fun if they made a TV series about Finland, where the drivers of wooden trucks have to drive every day, then the already existing TV series trucks on ice would be pretty soft stuff :)
There were Volvo and scania get jammed Sisu just lift all the tyres off the ground and fly away 🤣🤣🤣🤣
But our Sisu-car's has an murican transmision called fuller
Sisu's are almost solely for construction and Finnish defence. Some timber trucks but swedes are winning there too. Like comparing apples and oranges! You as finn should know better. No one wants to drive those stone sledges for distribution or long haul! What more have Sisu built in those than frame and axels?? Engine is MB, Mack, CAT, Cummins etc tranny is fuller or MB. Those MB parts don't count for shit to me.
You Said all. Let that crazy Sisu Guy sleep in His Sisu and get old fast being Young. Gosh, I drove some Sisu trucks back in THE late -70sh before I starter to drive Scania 141/142sh. Wow, driving those Scanias Then wow, it was like having sex with a Finn and a Sweden att THE same Times 😂 And believe me back Then taiking either Silja Line or Viking Line over to Sweden or coming back to Finland wow...............those days area gone 😢 I did THE as they Call it THE international driving and this was in THE late -70 Early -80sh 😊😊😊😊😊
In 2015 We went to Germany. The one thing that was more amazing to me then the bad ass cars where the trucks. My whole life has been in the automotive performnce industry. All sorts and styles all on big singles and just beautiful. Kick ass dumpers and haul trucks. We traveled 2600km between visiting family some of which I hadnt seen in 47 years. Germany Switzerland and Austria with a quick ride in France also on the way down. The Mercedes museum is one to see. They have regular trucks and even the race trucks there along with all sorts of DTM and of course F1 cars. Its a must see!!! Well when we left we had arrranged to leave our car at a hotel which shuttles us to the airport and upon arrival back picked us up and brought us back to our car. This was Newark airport in NJ. As we pulled up to exit my wife says well we are back and no more nice trucks!!!! This ratty tractor pulling a container trailer drove by and she couldnt have stated it better!!! They are amazingly quiet, powerful and never any smoke and very well cared for. Even the little box trucks are so much nicer. Modern versions of IVECO 14' box I had back in the 80's. Loved that truck.
The Finns are crazy. But it's the best kind of crazy!
In the Europe we only have bulldogs and relatively small cabins since the measurements are taken from the bullbar to the rear bumber and every inch in the nose or in the cabin is off from the cargo space, And those lamps on the roof are almost standard accessory since that way we get light over the little hills, so it makes it easier to drive at night. And those bars are for a reason, thou we have no kangaroos, we have reindeers/karibus and elks to muse with.
Nice to see at US guys appreciate our timber trucks. Best regards from Finland.
We have COE trucks only for one reason. Over all lenght is in the law. So every inch counts. Shorter the the truck, more cargo you can get.
My dad, a timber trucker for 30+ years (owned and drove first a scania 110 then a 141, and a few more that i didnt see as i was yet to be born) said that a scania engine and a volvo drive line would be the best.
You need to check out some of the heavy moving trucks aka the wide load movers and how they move the big loads around the narrow UK roads
There is a length restriction on trucks in Europe so cab-over is used to maximize the length of the loading area.
SISU trucks are manufactured in Finland.
Its funny to think how far north most of Europe is given the weather in the most commonly mentioned countries, but the UK is further north than the big cities in Canada. Norway, Sweden, Finland even more so. It can really get cold there.
Heck only like a third of Alaska is above the arctic circle. Yellowknife in Canada is "only" at around 62.5 north which is pretty much the southern parts of the Nordics.
The north cape in Norway, which is a tourist destination, is around 71 degrees north and you'd have to go to the northern tip of Alaska to be that far north. Barrow point in Alaska is a bit further north though.
The capitals of Norway, Sweden and Finland are around 60 degrees north. Anchorage, Alaska is just above 61 degrees north.
Mainland Europe is pretty warm for how far up north it is due to warm ocean currents coming from the southwest.
@@Gazer75 I live just a few km South of 64°N o the bothnian coast.
Oh Please try to use say Google earth or something, or are you just trolling.
Funny Fallon.
@@hurri7720 ....and what was your problem....???? ....and what was he trolling about...???
Please mention anything that is factual inaccurate there...??? The only thing you prove with your comment is how bluntly clueless you are....
You knew that a bunch of Aussies were going to comment on this, hey. LOL.
Sweden changed its rule on road trains from 25.25 m to 34.5 m on 15th of September.
I haven't seen any yet, but my coworkers who drive towards the north have seen many, coming from Finland.
I'm gonna guess that postnord are gonna use all of those 34.5 meters a lot, as well.
Didn't check if it was already said, but US equivalent for that log trailer would be Turnpike Double, using dual-axle dolly in the middle.
We only use those big trucks here in Denmark for cargo that is extraordinarily long. That wood would have been driven by 2-3 trucks here. Mostly we see the very long trains for very long wind mills or special constructions for housing. And those trucks will have small cars driving both ahead and behind and sometimes a car with crew with metal plates to make smaller roads accessible.
A cool feature in the modern trucks, still its been around 20 years or so, is that you make an phone call to the manufacturer and ask for more horsepower! If you are going over the Brenner pass for instance. I think thats pretty cool.
The point behind these long trucks is that they are more efficient - you get more goods transported per fuel unit. Benefits comes from less overhead weight from the truck and reduced aerodynamic drag compared to two trucks.
Two trucks would also would require two drivers. And the road wear would actually increase due to more traffic.
I have suggested it before - but you should look at ice speedway motorcycles too. That's nuts.
I have attended one ice racing competion, and at this event one driver unfortunately died. I should have pictures, not very close, of this accident.
That fuel efficiency is trickier than that. This whole weigh thing was forced trough by the paper industry some 10 years ago. just to their own benefit. I read some where that 68 000kg was the most efficient weigh. Past that the fuel consumption raised again. This was timber drives on some truck site. And the same goes for the wear of the roads! Finnish roads are mostly built in 60's->80's. Some parts later. So they are not built for weighs like 100 000 kgs. Specially in southern Finland the condition of the roads are a shame! They can't keep them good for one year! What about safety?? That thing don't stop on a dime. The load weigh is so high that I bet it doesn't matter how you strap around with chains it tends to keep moving forward while you brake. Enough is enough! 76t is the max load as long as the roads are like this. I drive Road no 1 in Finland daily with a 32m "double d" and even that road is hill climbing enough and for weights we have now. And for the driver matter this increases unemployment. At the end the benefit goes again for the government and forest/paper industry. As most forests are owned by the government!
in the eu we have 90% cabovers because of the eu rule that states that the whole combi (truck and trailer have a maximum length) wich means if we use a truck with a nose it cost us cargo ( truck with nose gets a shorter trailer to not exceed the maximum lenth) and cabovers can have longer trailers wich automatically means more cargo
Finnish trucker here, my daily drive is a scannia R450 box truck with a full trailer of 13-17.5m, total max weight of 76t. if you have any speciffic questions im happy to answer them
Eipä taia olla luvallista kiskoa 76 tonnia 450hevosella😅 eipä kyllä liikukkaan.
@@rapidbanana162 akseleista ne tonnit tulee. joss rekkarissa on 76t niin siitä vaan. ei se kyllä hirveen vikkelä ole niin ei pitkiä matkoja kannata ajella
@@Ettap96 "76 tonnin kokonaismassaan pääseminen edellyttää autolta ja perävaunulta tiettyjä vaatimuksia, kuten riittäviä teknisiä akselimassoja, vähintään 19,3 metrin ääriäkseliväliä ja teholtaan 380 kW:n eli 510 hevosvoiman moottoria."
@@mohis5664 juuri näin eli mikäli rekkari sen sallii. Ehkä hiukan huonosti sanoitettu tuo minun kommentti mutta yhdistelmä tyypin maksimipaino on 76t
The giant. The centipede (Aussie)
104 t. 205 t
30m. 48m
13 axles. 28 axles
110 wheels
550hp
18 gears
The giant…… how quaint
Hehe
roadtrains driving on public roads in various port areas around in Sweden and Finland have up to 5 semi trailers, 27 axles, 90 meter long, up to 300 tonnes heavy and anything from 600 to 750 hp on the tractor unit; I guess they can keep up?
The giant has 730 hp so gotta give credit where it's due bud. But yeah, us euro folk aint got no open deserts for road trains, seems weird to me this is more efficient due to the nature of the route but it is what it is.
Also totally different roads and environment.
Yes, but that's carrying a different cargo, we're talking about logging trucks here.
@@EnjoyFirefighting now your talking. Hehe
there is also videos with volvo testing their new gearbox pulling 750 tons.
Here's the vid:
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Where that truck is headed is around 300km above the arctic circle with temperatures in the winter being - 35 to - 50 which is why it's cold and snowy in October.
Roviniemi is on the arctic circle.
@8:43 How long before the driver receives a phone call, "Damn it Karl! You forgot to switch the lights to green again! Ppl have been waiting here for 2 hours!" :)
4:47 - what you see here is a connection piece that adds a second semi trailer to the already existing truck. It has the regular axle you have at smaller trailers and a "saddle" (that's how it's called in German) where you can hook the trailer on to. That's also the reason why it's great for navigation. This small piece has 2 turning points
We call it dolly in Sweden. And the saddle is called fifth wheel in USA and we call it vändskiva (turntable, Drehscheibe)
I'm watching this today, 21st of september 2023 and first snow came yesterday in the north. Apparently about 8 inches at once and it got people by surprise.
I had been wondering about those traffic lights on that bridge. Now I know why they are there.
There are road trains in some parts of Canads. They require permits and specific routes. Ontario runs dual 40' trailers with a max total length of 33m on the 401 and a few other roads. Also require minimum 425hp truck and ESP and various other conditions. They call them LCV (long combination vehicle).
Not only is he driving on that tight road but he's also staying in his lane
This trial ended early this year. They don´t continue with the 104 tn, but now the normal weight is 84 tn truck for the longer routes.
76000 kilos not 84000
Why they dont continue? Too expencive for the benefit or?
@@RoisinT2 104 tn required a loader in the terminal. Lighter unit can carry it's own loader. Also lighter units can drive out in the forestroads with out them failing under the weight erc. And I think also cost effectiness.
@@IkeVMAX4 Lighter "regular" trucks dont drive that long haul with loader, either. This 104 was only for that long haul, never meant to be in forrest/smaller roads.
So imo they are not the reason. This cost effective compared to is benefit might be the real reason.
@@RoisinT2 yes. I know. I work for the company.th-cam.com/video/IaCZ7laC9ww/w-d-xo.html
Hi from Finland 👋 You have a very good channel!
Kappas vaan kuka tääla ( Look who is here ).
Hello!! 👋 🎉 thank you 😁
Sweden has started to use 80 tons electrical timber trucks i the north of Sweden. A Scania truck developed together with SCA (Big timber company). Not really as big as the 108 ton truck but still pretty impressive, and really cheap per km/mile. :)
Note running empty they lift numerous wheels off the road, reducing drag and improving tyre wear on the lifted wheels. Also lower road wear.
U.S. Dump has the same system with lift axels, and for the same reason. (Reducing weight on each axle)
Thanks bro! We had first snow already here in Finland. And the roads are really, really narrow.
Wow that’s crazy!! Amazing trucking though and great skill!
Eikä ole, ei edes peilit osu kohdatessa yhteen
Only in the very north of Finland.
These extra long timber trucks were a test project called ETT (the word for the number one in Swedish), here an abbreviation for En Trave Till=one more bundle (of logs) for trucks carrying four instead of three bundles of standard length logs. I've Googled around without finding much about what happened to the project. I don't think they are commonly used, maybe still only as a test or if it even was discontinued.
road trains in Europe are called high-capacity vehicles ( HCV's)are already allowed and used in Belgium, Denmark, Finland, most German federal states, the Netherlands, Portugal, Spain and Sweden. if you have Euro Truck Sim 2, you can own/drive them
Great vid as always mate. Those Scanias dude ...gotta listen to them !!
There is a Finnish truck brand Sisu by Oy Sisu Auto Ab. They produce also military vehicles. One of the world's leading manufacturers of forest machines Ponsse has also some interesting topic related big machines. As do Valtra. Videos:
The Most Powerful and Impressive SISU Trucks You Have to See 900+ Hp Hybrid Truck
8-pyöräinen maastohirmu - Markku Alén & Sisu, osa 2/2 (Teknavi 2015)
Sisu XA-185 Vesiajo -11
Ponsse Scorpion King ᴴᴰ
Valtra forestry tractor logging in wet conditions
VALTRA N SERIES - PERFECTION IN SIZE, POWER AND COMFORT
Sisu polar hybrid has 1140 horsepower.
Yeah that's just an Adouble ( twin 40 to 48ft trailers ), not even considered a road train here in Australia by some lol, tiny bit shorter is the Bdouble ( 20 to 25ft A trailer with 40 to 48ft B trailer ) and their dime a dozen around Australia including cities
in some very limited areas you can see actual road trains in Europe as well
Here in Brazil, 30 meters trucks is common to see, even in some urban areas, with 9 axles and 72tons of gross weight, but you can see some beasts in non regular roads, some up to 52 meters and 250 tons.
In WA which has the highest "Long Vehicle" length in the country at 27.5m, a 30+ metre a A-double is most definitely considered a road train. Maybe not colloquially, but certainly legally. You need to get about 400km north of Perth before you're allowed 55m triples.
You can see that it´s a Scania from the truck from the cab shape.
just for info,its not MAN its M.A.N a shortform for : Maschinen und Anlagenbau,Nürnberg (Machinery and equipment Factory,Nürnberg ).the extra space behind the sidewindows is where the bed is located.you hinge it down when you take your rest.
It is Maschinenfabrik Ausburg-Nürnberg.
@@linof.6494 you are right,my mistake
I drive the same (4 axle) timber truck in Estonia, it's also Scania, but NextGen from 2018 with almost 800.000km on the clock (got it new, but in couple of months I will get a brand new one). Only mine has also crane on it and trailer is shorter :)
I have been driving different trucks in the past, most of all Scanias, which is my favourite for years now. Also Volvos, but at the beginning of my trucking carrier DAF, MAN, Iveco, Mercedes, Sisu. As I said, my favourite is Scania, which I've been driving about 15 years now.
What comes to the truck in the video, it's Scania R730 from previous generation and at that time 730 was the biggest engine on Scania.
On the truck, only the last axle is liftable, because 3rd and 4th axle are drive axles and You cannot lift them.
On the whole train are 5 axles liftable, but only 4th axle on a truck is steerable.
About the video- it's cool to see american's opinion abot the trucks from rest of the world, but in comments- there are many "mine is biggers than Yours" etc comments :D
BTW, if You want, I have some videos from driving in Norway, Swedish truck shows and my present work on my channel, too :)
Keep on trucking (at least I will)!
The first trailer has steering on its last axle. The crashbar on the front is because of the reindeers in the northern areas of finland. Scania and volvo are topping 730hp and 750hp.
Scania has a 770hp version now
Hi , I am from Europe and we call this as HCT what is a high capacity transport, and usually use on this hard work suspension 8x4 truck, I like your reaction on Europe truck. and i am glad you interesting about this.
Used to work at scania here in Sweden and building transmissions to trucks and busses
America has had private logging roads set up for massive 12ft. wide road going trains delivering logs to river systems for storage. Although all of this activity has been off shored and the trains are no longer running here in Oregon.
fun fact about that kinda truck and trailer. The truck is a Scaina with 730HP and got an V8 engine, first part om the combination of the truck is the first section of the trailer, its so called long trailer with 4 axels, I think 2 of them u can raise up in the air to shorten the axel distance to make it easier to turn around and steer. After the trailer its connected to a 5 axel wagon. It do not have steering, but that u was reffering to is called a dolly, the 2 front axels are connected to a disk that makes them turn, last 2 of the 3 axels on the wagon can be raised. The reason why u can lift so many axels is because when u are emtpy and u got all axels down, u got no weight on them, so u lift all of axels to increase the weight to those axels just in case there is ice or snow.
I suppose that in summer you lift them to reduce friction, energy.
@@hurri7720 yes that is correct. you lift all the axels when u are emtpy to reduce friction, but you allways have them down when you are fully loaded, because otherwise you have to much axel pressure on the road.
@@Dajiggs , yes, what was new to me, something I have never thought about was the use in winter to add friction.
@@hurri7720 oh okey, yea its very commen here in sweden/finland/norway that u lift axels during the winter. Or you do not lift them, there is 2 diffrent buttons in the trucks. First one is the lift axel buttons, you can only use that when u are emtpy, otherwise the truck sais that u are to heavy to lift any axels, but then u have a diffrent button that u can force the axel to go up anyway ( mostly the last axel on the truck ), that button by passes the weight restriction and lift the axel of the ground, mostly only works for the truck and not the axels on the wagon/trailer. I think it's very cool to see how diffrent contries like ous up here and for example USA etc have diffrent trucks and how we use them, very intresting for me.
Just found your video. The axles that are steerable are the front(obviously :D) the last one on the first trailer, and the first two on the last trailer is actually a dolly, all this to make cornering these behemoths a little easier. Drivability wise, i'd say its not that much worse than the regular 25 meter one's, a little harder to find a break spot and need to hook a bit more on intersections.
The last on the truck seems to be stearing.
@@magnusE7That would be correct, missed it since there are literally a 100 different ways they might fit the truck itself😂 the trailers however need to remain specific according to the laws, but there are ton of different configurations of them aswell😅
This Scania features a Scania's own 16.4 Litre 730hp (537kW) V8 Engine which produce 3500Nm of Torque. But now, Scania produce the most powerful truck engine in the world, A Euro 6F Spec 16.4 Litre V8 Engine which produces 770hp (566kW), 3700Nm of Torque. Truly Kings of the road regarding power
We don't quite see the biggest ones here in the UK, but I've seen plenty of doubles and that shit is scary when you're behind it on a steep hill.
In Wales, a lot of the logging is on steep hillsides and ugh it just doesn't sit right with me.
we have off-road trucking in Maine and Canada with oversized trucks and multiple trailers. I have some videos of my last few trucks.
Hello. Here in the Netherland we have a thing called LZV, Long heavy vehicle. road legal 25,25meter and 60 ton . I drive one myself. Daf xf with 480hp I haul a 20ft an a 40ft shipping container but can also haul 3x 20ft. Mine is like a B double as used in the US and Canada I believe
I love their Mercedes benz cab over
That is a lot of IKEA flatpacks.
You gotta understand that we don't have those quaint old trucks that aussies and Americans use. We have top of the line trucks here. Some years ago Volvo FH 750 was the monster truck of the world but now we have the most modern and cut of the edge trucks Scania 770. It's the most powerful serial produced truck in the world, most modern and lowest consuming truck as well.
American trucks had over 700 horsepower already in the 1960:s. Fuel consumption is only critical to those who drive too cheap. "Technology" is something that only causes problems. Top of the line is not what I'd call the ugly slow junk in Sweden.
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My favorite european truck design is the one of both generations of Volvo FH (2009 / 2016), especially the "750" edition. Still, the Scania S730 is a monster to be reckoned.
Scania also have the new r770
"Fun fact": the Scania 730 outpulls the Volvo FH 750 going uphill. Not by much, but still... There is a video from a Norwegian timber trucker, where he pits his trucks against each other. Both are still beasts😉👍
@@Zteffe666 "Fun Fact" The Volvo is more reliable than the Scania. Gaining 5 sec on that climb, how many trips do you need to do to outperform the Volvo while being at the workshop?
@@fredrikalfson1541 that's funny, the last two years of my driving career I drove brand new Volvos and Scanias No-Se-Fi and every bloody time I had to drive a Volvo it would end up with a trip to the workshop, whereas the Scanias were problem-free. And the availability of parts? They had to order a simple exhaust sensor from BELGIUM in Volvo Gävle. What a cheap Chinese joke.
@@tanelpolts7257 that sucks, im sorry for your experience. I really think both Scania and Volvo are good trucks. The point was that a 4 second gain in a steep hill has no real benefit. Look at the total usability not some stupid hillclimb comparison. I remember the shortage of those nox sensors. Quality was sub par. Thank god that problem does not exist today. Have a great day!
Hello from Sweden!
In a previous video (can't remember which one) you asked what we call brushguard.... I think I've heard someone call it a Moose Fence XD Because there's a lot of moose around here and collisions aren't that rare :p
I live in northern Sweden, basically same climatem 300km (200 miles) between me and rovaniemi, last 20 years earliest snow was September 11th (remember because year after the towers...) and latest snow was midsummer's eve (june 23rd) so climate is challenging for agriculture (none really), and population is spread really thin about same as Northern Alaska, some mines and communities around them buh not many large cities.
Yes very similar but Finland decided to try to keep northern Finland also rather populated, perhaps more so than Sweden. I think there is a "military" reason for it too.
There are pictures taken by satelits by night and as far as I remember this difference is visible on those pictures with more light on the Finnish side of the border.
Not sure if you seen trucks from Canada, Hayes and Pacific off-road logging trucks were king on the west coast, there were some Mack’s and Kenworth trucks but not as many. Planetary hubs, water cooled brakes, hauling big trees, 30ft loads on 16ft bunks, 110+ tons was common back in the day when these trucks were used. Road trains were used on these trucks in some places but on the west coast they were seldomly used, the steep grades, small roads, and lots of switch backs made long road trains obsolete for west coast logging.
We use these long road trains only main road long distance transporting, mosty solid wood to the sawmills or woodchips tote power / heat boilers. Greetings from Finland!
in the Netherlands we have a slightly smaller road train it is called the lzv it is 25.75 long quite strange because we are one of the smallest countries and still have a road train
We have trucks with the same lenght in Denmark too. But as I understand it they are restricted to only driving on certain roads, like highways.
Yeah, those were standard in Sweden, Finland and Norway before the HCT:s came. The majority still is, but the equipment is slowly moving to regular semi or HCT.
....you say 25,75m ...but are you sure...maybe 25,25m as in other countries. Whatever....I can understand that such a truck will be difficult to fit within the borders of the Netherlands....
The Giant is mighty impressive in those tough Fin conditions 👊
Your pronounciation of Scania is close but the way I (a swede) say it the first A is like the A in Awesome or Artificial or Architect. Sort of like sk-awe-nia. The rest is pretty much spot on.
Finnish trucks have those kind of bull bars on the front very often since, it may be nearly impossible to stop in time for reindeer and deer in general especially with 104tonnes of weight. Additionally those lights are very useful especially in the winter when the north of Finland gets only 2-4hrs of daylight.
Finland is a bit like northern Canada for you... So yes, it's cold earlier and night too...as a reminder Paris is on the same latitude as Quebec...Thank you the gulf stream for its warmth...
Have you reviewed the old Volvo adds featuring a ballet dancer, a hamster and Claudr van Damme - unbelievable
Thats a special one even here in Finland. Actually I think its Santa's brother who has it. Once a year they help Santa with Christmas trees 🫢🎅
Seriously.. we have roadtrains with 76 tons in regular traffic all over the country. This 104t is allowed just in Lapland
IWrocker, one thing I love about Scania is how well they would fit into the US, in multiple ways;
Only use V8s (afaik), the displacement is 16.4L exactly which is = 1000.7 cubic inches, so 1000 cubes V8, does it get more poetic American than that? :)
Turbodiesel V8 ofc, with a great sound that would make most mid-west/southern Americans smile and close their eyes and enjoy the moment.
the V8 is being used from 520hp onwards. anything less gets the 12L i6 engine
@@Arik-2103 isn't the *SUPER* series a 560hp i6?
@@shaggings I stand corrected. The i6 is available as 540hp and the Super model does indeed go up to a 560hp i6
As for V8s, 530 or higher
Then it should be the longline version with the big sleeper, that they built some years back. A 77 V8 longline with straight pipes... great for both eyes and ears. 🙂
@@lbernau Scania tried to enter the North American market years ago but no one wanted them. Or, as one of my friends once said; that's the ugliest truck I have ever seen!
It's a 730 hp Scania V8 with double semi-trailer. In Sweden 34,5 m trucks are allowed, while in Denmark 25,25 m are maximum. In the rest of Europe, 18,75 m are end of line. Scania tried to enter the USA market back in the 1980s, but retraced again due to the high cost of building up an organization. You can buy Scania in Mexico and all over South America.
Basically you are correct. Germany allows 25,25 m trailers though. Been like, 2018 or so. Don't know if only with individual permission, but I do see them then and now.
More countries allow longer trucks. 25,25 Finland was first, then Sweden, then Netherlands, Denmark on some routs, then Norway on som routs and now Germany allows 25,25 on some routs.
In West Africa, Ghana to be specific we load 140 tons on a 45ft trailer and travel for about 1600km with 8-9 axles
small side note -
Eropean brands Volvo, Daimler Benz and DAF own or control most of the US truck brands
Daf is owned by Paccar which makes the best trucks in the world, Peterbilt and Kenworth so hold your horses.
The truck slowing down to 20 km/h despite having 730 hp engine is pretty insane!
The very north of Finland is right on the Polar Circle, just like Canada. That explains the early snowfall.
Full respect to all active truckers out there in America, Australia, Africa where ever you are, don't want to question their driving skills when many of them probably have been driving for many years but remember, the years of driving is not what makes you to that good driver but the focus you manage to keep while driving day agter day. I have only been driving double HCT's in Eurotruck 2 between Norway, Sweden and Finland and that's a challenge enough for me but how do you measure these skills? I believe our road network in Europe is the true Challenge even for ourselves. Take a look at "Alex Tidstroms" driving videos in Sweden. He is a great driver in my opinion..
The thing in front is a flyswatter - even the flies are bigger in Finland LoL
Don't mess with the mosquitoes in northern Finland and Sweden!
this is called hct-combination vehicle (hct = high capacity transport) and it have 2 semi trailers connected with dolly. normally they can weight max. 76 tons
There are only a few big players in the Truck market, the biggest is Daimler Benz, biggest US company is Paccar(5.Worldwide) with the Brands Peterbuilt, Kenworth and DAF. 2 more european companys are in the top 10 worldwide 4. Volvo and 7. Traton. Traton is VW with the brands Scania, MAN, VW Trucks, Neoplan and in the US Navistar with IC Bus and International. The Rest comes from Asia 4 Companys in China and one in India(Tata) and Japan(Isuzu)
'Ive been driving a Scania for 25 years now and I can tell you that that feeling has remained the same... there's something about it.. I can't say what but..