I'm glad Lisa is letting less popular characters like Neuv/Furina/Kazuha to finally shine 🥰 Jokes aside it really is great to see her perform so well in a team, I'd love to try this team out but don't have Neuvi or Furina sadly
Worth mentioning that while none of her cons are necessary, C4 does make her apply her debuff slightly more quickly/reliably in AoE. Without C4, her burst applies roughly 1 arc every 0.5s with random targeting so with a large number of enemies (or just really poor RNG) it can take a few seconds to tag all the enemies. With C4, it fires multiple shots and tags multiple enemies much more quickly.
its helpful but yeah not necessary at all. pretty much every speedrun (including my own), doesn't have much lisa cons 😭 still getting fast clears though
I'm so glad that you brought this up because Lisa can help proc one of Neuvi's stacks, and is one of the very rare instances of DEF shred that Neuvi CAN take advantage of. Lisa is also a catalyst holder, so there will surely be weapons in the future or now, that she can use to help support him. The only other sources of DEF shred are Ayaka's C4, Klee's C2, and Raiden and Yae's personal DEF ignore which is different than shred. Lisa is one of the rare units that can actually buff Neuvillette since he benefits so very little from buffs that others can give the team.
Just yesterday I was messing around with Lisa and Neuvillette to explore F2P alternatives and I was ashamed that I’ve never considered her before, and today I see this 😂 my problem though is energy, I was testing with a rainbow team and Lisa had R5 Hakushin with 290% ER and it wasn’t enough 😩 my team was GMC and Lynette, I calculated I need ~305% ER in energy poor scenarios even if I funnel a GMC E + 3 fav particles into her (just one fav holder with two procs). R5 PA lowers requirements to around 255-260%, but I have only one PA that Neuvi is using without better alternatives (arguably Widsith) and also I liked the idea of making it work with Hakushin since without Furina PA doesn’t provide as much value, but yea I should consider crafting another one if I want to mess around with that team (keep in mind I don’t kill stuff as fast like you 😅). Nice video 👍
You might be able to try using the 4 star exile set on geo main character in that team, setting up Petra can be annoying and slow anyway (if you were using that set)
Lisa with Hakushin Ring works amazing too! I use her with that weapon and emblem set, works great. I tried this video’s build but my prototype inst r5..so if anyone doesn’t have r5 prototype amber i highly recommend hakushin ring. Great video!😁
I remember using Lisa on my Eula teams a long time ago for the ascension passive, totally forgot about her now with Neuvilette. I'll give it a go today
I really enjoy running proto amber on a support for neuvillette; lisa, nahida, hell even sucrose. Personally i think ningguang is underrated as an archaic petra + proto amber holder (even if her burst is slow AF). the 12sec cd makes it always available and opens up your rotation to a degree that isn't really noticable when you try to put her into a 22 or 26 second rotation on a spreadsheet. It's probably not competetive with other builds for speedruns, but its really comfy for those uf us who just wants a solid 36star clear. I've been running APPA Ning since 4.1, and i wholeheartedly recommend it.
It's a really smart move by using lisa because There are a few buffs that reduce enemies' defense in the game, such as Lisa, Razer C4, and Klee C2. Therefore, it is possible that we will obtain support for this specialty in the upcoming region
Lisa is quite underrated on a few teams as an alternative option - non-C6 Sara alternative on Raiden hypercarry - Yae/Fischl alternative for Alhaitham/Tighnari Spread - budget Hyperbloom trigger if no Kuki/Raiden - Keqing/Yae alternative for Aggravate teams Not to mention till this day she's the only unit who can reduce DEF at C0 (Razor & Ayaka also have it but only at C4, Klee at C2 (forgot her lol), and Raiden & Yae w/ personal DEF ignore (edited it))
Raiden and Yae have Defense ignore, it only works for themselves While Ayaka, Razor, Lisa, and the C2 Klee you forgot to mention, they reduce enemies Def, so the whole team can take benefits from it If I'm not wrong when Raiden got released they had to cap the Defense shred at 90% or something
Well, Lisa hyperbloom isn't budget, but an expensive option. Raiden and Kuki doesn't require ER while Lisa needs tons of it. Farming for artifact substat is high investment, I'd argue that this is much more expensive compared to pulling for a c0 Raiden. I've been there and decided to pull Raiden to get 36 stars eariler. However, Lisa hyperbloom has way higher dps ceiling because of the faster triggering (which is 80% faster than Raiden and 200% faster than Kuki), and the team needs to be entirely tailored around this to catch up with the dendro core production.
I wonder why I never thought of Lisa lol, esp since I always really thought that EC/taser has been underrated, especially with the AoE swirls and its stun/juggle. Personally I use Fischl a lot since she has no ER req basically and is set-and-forget (and she's one of my favorite characters), but the DEF shred is really interesting to further buff Neuv, and unlike Kuki Lisa doesn't need to be melee range. Personally I found interrupt res to be not that significant especially if you position yourself well. I also think Baizhu's interrupt res is so inconsistent that I've found little difference between running him and running no healer/shielder at all lol.
Neuvi is too OP :/ kinda feels bad for the game. I am glad for Lisa she now fits in some teams. I like pairing her with Alheitham and as bloom or agrravate driver
The only thing I'm wondering; in case you have Neuvi (and Kazuha) but no Furina, what changes would you do to Lisa? Or is she not worth playing in that case?
You can use her for your Alhaitham spread teams she can rotate Very fast just swap to her hold e tap q maybe do one charged attack and then back to Alhaitham
@tetangganyaalhaitamWhile aggravate/spread are additive (not transformative) reactions, def shred can still be useful in transformative reaction teams where the on-field driver's attacks (and/or an off-field damage dealer's hits, and/or other non-transformative reactions taking place) are a significant source of damage Basically, just because your team is based around a transformative reaction, that doesn't make def shred useless. Shoehorning in a def shred character will still often be sub-optimal, but useless it typically is not
@tetangganyaalhaitam Among the off field electro options, only Lisa can actually buff spread dmg without support weapon and artifacts (Raiden has teamwide burst dmg but most dendro units main dmg source dont come from burst and Sara only buffs ATK which is the least stat priority over EM). Other off field electro are just there for the sake triggering quicken, their personal dmg or other utility (heal,energy)
Abt minmaxing her with EM, unless she's lvl 90 (and most people will just leave her at 60/70) I just wouldn't bother doing something more than like an EM goblet
EC w.o sucrose is an ass reaction anyway. bc we will never know who is the trigger. so yeah stacking EM on her is not a good idea. just use 4p maiden with er/any piece/healing bonus
I built my Lisa so always glad to hear of other great teams for her. Just tried this team and I got my 35th star! Still not close to getting the last star on the 2nd floor but I’ll keep trying!
Just tried this team and it's really fun. Prolly my favorite Neuv team now. Glad to have found another team for my Lisa. I built her 'cause she's C6 but couldn't find another team for her aside from aggravate.
I'm debating leveling lisa and crafting refines for my Pamber to try this instead of Petra albedo. I really like running albedo when my zhongli is not available since he is braindead easy with no worry about ER and his animations are super quick so its easy to refresh petra mid rotation for high petra uptime.
I love this, i have break old times in the abyss, and also allow me to play more characters on the other side. Finally i have a reason to use Lisa in a good team :D, thanks for this info ❤
I'll be honest I have no clue how you get 62 energy back without spending any time on her. Seems like she needs the team to 1-rotate an entire chamber of many enemies to get enough particles. Though you did ascertain this team works in casual play, I find that hard to believe. Very nice team anyway; who'd have thought this would be what gives Lisa's fast anims an edge ovet Zhongli's everything else?
Tried the team, and indeed its a speedrun. My Neuvi's damage increased decently. i wish 1 more constellation of her comes home so I can C4. I just recently leveled her up.
Is there anything specific about getting the whopperflowers to tp to you in 12-2-1? I've tried running to the other end, but sometimes they'll just tp in place.
another weapon you can use if u dont need extra healing is hakushin ring, which gives additional hydro + electro dmg bonus up to 20% at r5. ive been using her with my c3 neuvillette because im waiting for zhongli's rerun 😇
@@jamiekb9vI would say that these speedrunners don't even have Hakushin on their accounts, as it's bonus seem to offset the potential loss in Furina's stacks from not healing~
I built Lisa for a similar purpose, buffing My C6 Nahida. It works well, but I found that even with Fav Codex, ER can still end up being an issue for her when she is the only electro character.
The only problem with Lisa is that her "E" skill doesn't drop energy >_< I find it really hard to only use Lisa on a team, needed another Electro for a smoother rotation.
Of course im a lisa enjoyer. I use her in a Tighnari, Yea and Baizhu team. Got her triple crowned, C6 on lost prayer 2attck2electro. Can comfortably hit 100.000 charged E.
I see the title and i instanly hope for saving my team for neuvi and have a good reason to play lisa BUT.... i don't have furina and kazu 😢(probably my next pull with Zongli and raiden) no sucrose too 😮💨.... Why not using her for hyperbloom in my case ? (Yaoyao is in tighnari spread...) Or meaby taser, idk if beter than xinqui+linette(no good anemo yet) and Layla
I have a question... If I only have 6 Catalyst Billets, I can't pull Neuvilette's signature weapon nor pay the battle pass... How should I distribute refinements of Prototype Amber to have the best results running this team?? Or Should I run Neuvilette with Widsith with the gambling effect?? Thanks in advance!!
if your widsith is already refined and level 90 you should just use that on neuvillette, at least in the abyss. then just make 1 r5 prototype amber for lisa and also can give it to neuvillette in overworld/casual play 🤔
I was trying to find a reason to use Lisa for Alhaitham or Neuvi and then this video popped up lol I don't know man, I just like her playstyle. I might even get her to c4 one day if I get the chance.
After trying this out for a while it feels ok, the biggest issue is ER for Lisa. I have her at almost 260% and she just gets her burst if you're really conscious of swapping to use everyones skills and run at least one fav. Like sometimes I'd have to cancel a neuv ca near the end of a chamber to get in another E or furina fav proc before the enemies died or lisa wouldnt have her burst for the next chamber.
Seems good if you've got Neuv's sig weapon. Mine has proto amber, so figure fish/yae are prob better to add more damage as my neuv won't have your damage. The downside to this is Yae takes much more field time, but gives a second nuke and decent damage imo, fish is prob comparable in field time but both def require investment unlike lisa here.
Rosaria, Eula, Lisa, Bennett was my boss killer comp before Raiden replaced Lisa. I'd use the 4* ER set (the set now Gorou use, Exile?) with Prototype Amber. I haven't seen the video yet but I am guessing Maiden Lisa with full Er and Healing perhaps. Man, I want Arlecchino's weapon. Otherwise, I'd pull Neuvillette C1.
Great idea! Will try it. Is there overall incremental uplift in DPS / clear time vs. Zhongli / Baizhu or is it around same level trading RES shred + petra for DEF shred?
I built Lisa as a DEF shred support as well, although for Spread teams rather than Neuvilette. I’m surprised you made it work with only 220% ER. In my shred support, I use a Favonious weapon and 250% ER to be able to burst consistently for low numbers of targets. Maybe it’s different since you’re getting enough orbs from defeating enemies so quickly.
it would but lisa's def shred is worth it cause it lasts long, big aoe, and off field, and she can heal on top. unfortunately small def shred isn't valuable enough by itself to replace common teammates
any lisa enjoyers? 🙂
Got her at 90 lol
Yes but not metawise
@@bulletpunch9317i relate
IM USIGN THIS EXACT TEAM SINCE 4.1 OMG
@@implicitimpact677 she is very synergistic here though. try get a faster run with a random 4th teammate if you want!
Thank you so much for clarifying that this works with both Lisa skins. I was worried about that coming into this.
I'm glad Lisa is letting less popular characters like Neuv/Furina/Kazuha to finally shine 🥰
Jokes aside it really is great to see her perform so well in a team, I'd love to try this team out but don't have Neuvi or Furina sadly
His banner is rated-up rn , you can try to get him
I think that lisa is good. Just because she is starter heroes, most people think she is bad because she is free
i love this kind of video! showcasing lesser used/underrated 4*
Worth mentioning that while none of her cons are necessary, C4 does make her apply her debuff slightly more quickly/reliably in AoE. Without C4, her burst applies roughly 1 arc every 0.5s with random targeting so with a large number of enemies (or just really poor RNG) it can take a few seconds to tag all the enemies. With C4, it fires multiple shots and tags multiple enemies much more quickly.
its helpful but yeah not necessary at all. pretty much every speedrun (including my own), doesn't have much lisa cons 😭 still getting fast clears though
@@jamiekb9vi feel like thats because neuvillette is strong af, however c4 lisa is still great
oh neat :0
Same goes to fischl she dealt damage every 1 sec for 10 sec
lisa burst tick also has small aoe which is actually quite good. especially we always use kazuha anyway to group them. so c4 is not really needed.
I'm so glad that you brought this up because Lisa can help proc one of Neuvi's stacks, and is one of the very rare instances of DEF shred that Neuvi CAN take advantage of. Lisa is also a catalyst holder, so there will surely be weapons in the future or now, that she can use to help support him. The only other sources of DEF shred are Ayaka's C4, Klee's C2, and Raiden and Yae's personal DEF ignore which is different than shred. Lisa is one of the rare units that can actually buff Neuvillette since he benefits so very little from buffs that others can give the team.
Razor
Nahida c2 to
Nahida c2 with raiden and zhongli also a very strong neuv team. Or if you have freedom sworn kuki the FS passive adds a little buff to neuv as well.
Just yesterday I was messing around with Lisa and Neuvillette to explore F2P alternatives and I was ashamed that I’ve never considered her before, and today I see this 😂 my problem though is energy, I was testing with a rainbow team and Lisa had R5 Hakushin with 290% ER and it wasn’t enough 😩 my team was GMC and Lynette, I calculated I need ~305% ER in energy poor scenarios even if I funnel a GMC E + 3 fav particles into her (just one fav holder with two procs). R5 PA lowers requirements to around 255-260%, but I have only one PA that Neuvi is using without better alternatives (arguably Widsith) and also I liked the idea of making it work with Hakushin since without Furina PA doesn’t provide as much value, but yea I should consider crafting another one if I want to mess around with that team (keep in mind I don’t kill stuff as fast like you 😅).
Nice video 👍
You might be able to try using the 4 star exile set on geo main character in that team, setting up Petra can be annoying and slow anyway (if you were using that set)
Lisa with Hakushin Ring works amazing too! I use her with that weapon and emblem set, works great. I tried this video’s build but my prototype inst r5..so if anyone doesn’t have r5 prototype amber i highly recommend hakushin ring. Great video!😁
Last I checked, Hakushin ring doesn't proc off-field, so the uptime is abysmal.
I remember using Lisa on my Eula teams a long time ago for the ascension passive, totally forgot about her now with Neuvilette. I'll give it a go today
Lisa is amazing support
I really enjoy running proto amber on a support for neuvillette; lisa, nahida, hell even sucrose. Personally i think ningguang is underrated as an archaic petra + proto amber holder (even if her burst is slow AF). the 12sec cd makes it always available and opens up your rotation to a degree that isn't really noticable when you try to put her into a 22 or 26 second rotation on a spreadsheet. It's probably not competetive with other builds for speedruns, but its really comfy for those uf us who just wants a solid 36star clear. I've been running APPA Ning since 4.1, and i wholeheartedly recommend it.
Also saw this on Bilibili a while ago so I was waiting for you to cover it
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Hey, childe speedrunner
It's a really smart move by using lisa because There are a few buffs that reduce enemies' defense in the game, such as Lisa, Razer C4, and Klee C2. Therefore, it is possible that we will obtain support for this specialty in the upcoming region
first time hearing someone said that you really dont need Neuvy C1 and i agree on this take
as a F2P he is fine At C0
hell yeah, based Neuvillette team that I like, time to build Lisa
welp, time to pull for neuvilette
Lisa is quite underrated on a few teams as an alternative option
- non-C6 Sara alternative on Raiden hypercarry
- Yae/Fischl alternative for Alhaitham/Tighnari Spread
- budget Hyperbloom trigger if no Kuki/Raiden
- Keqing/Yae alternative for Aggravate teams
Not to mention till this day she's the only unit who can reduce DEF at C0 (Razor & Ayaka also have it but only at C4, Klee at C2 (forgot her lol), and Raiden & Yae w/ personal DEF ignore (edited it))
Raiden and yae are def ignores not reductions lol
Ignoring def and shredding def are different stats with different multipliers
Raiden and Yae have Defense ignore, it only works for themselves
While Ayaka, Razor, Lisa, and the C2 Klee you forgot to mention, they reduce enemies Def, so the whole team can take benefits from it
If I'm not wrong when Raiden got released they had to cap the Defense shred at 90% or something
I'm pretty sure Nahida's C2 also shreds Def by 30%
Well, Lisa hyperbloom isn't budget, but an expensive option. Raiden and Kuki doesn't require ER while Lisa needs tons of it. Farming for artifact substat is high investment, I'd argue that this is much more expensive compared to pulling for a c0 Raiden. I've been there and decided to pull Raiden to get 36 stars eariler.
However, Lisa hyperbloom has way higher dps ceiling because of the faster triggering (which is 80% faster than Raiden and 200% faster than Kuki), and the team needs to be entirely tailored around this to catch up with the dendro core production.
finally my full build lisa can shine now *-*
Question here, does she work better than Charlotte, because im thinking of building her after watching this video
Same. I got E6 Charlotte, but Im not into her.
Lisa mentioned!!!
Is lisa better than fischl c6 in this comp?
is it worth to play if you have zhongli? (already have C1 neuvillette)
I wonder why I never thought of Lisa lol, esp since I always really thought that EC/taser has been underrated, especially with the AoE swirls and its stun/juggle. Personally I use Fischl a lot since she has no ER req basically and is set-and-forget (and she's one of my favorite characters), but the DEF shred is really interesting to further buff Neuv, and unlike Kuki Lisa doesn't need to be melee range.
Personally I found interrupt res to be not that significant especially if you position yourself well. I also think Baizhu's interrupt res is so inconsistent that I've found little difference between running him and running no healer/shielder at all lol.
Neuvi is too OP :/
kinda feels bad for the game. I am glad for Lisa she now fits in some teams. I like pairing her with Alheitham and as bloom or agrravate driver
dosent this also allow for an easier hydro swirl against bosses in comparison to charlotte?
The only thing I'm wondering; in case you have Neuvi (and Kazuha) but no Furina, what changes would you do to Lisa? Or is she not worth playing in that case?
I got C6 Lisa but never found how to put her into my team's. Now I do. Will try this out!
Same, she is also one of my favorites from the early cast. I don't know why I didn't think of this!
You can use her for your Alhaitham spread teams she can rotate Very fast just swap to her hold e tap q maybe do one charged attack and then back to Alhaitham
@tetangganyaalhaitam spread/aggravate is not a transformative reaction
@tetangganyaalhaitamWhile aggravate/spread are additive (not transformative) reactions, def shred can still be useful in transformative reaction teams where the on-field driver's attacks (and/or an off-field damage dealer's hits, and/or other non-transformative reactions taking place) are a significant source of damage
Basically, just because your team is based around a transformative reaction, that doesn't make def shred useless. Shoehorning in a def shred character will still often be sub-optimal, but useless it typically is not
@tetangganyaalhaitam Among the off field electro options, only Lisa can actually buff spread dmg without support weapon and artifacts (Raiden has teamwide burst dmg but most dendro units main dmg source dont come from burst and Sara only buffs ATK which is the least stat priority over EM).
Other off field electro are just there for the sake triggering quicken, their personal dmg or other utility (heal,energy)
Abt minmaxing her with EM, unless she's lvl 90 (and most people will just leave her at 60/70) I just wouldn't bother doing something more than like an EM goblet
EC w.o sucrose is an ass reaction anyway. bc we will never know who is the trigger. so yeah stacking EM on her is not a good idea. just use 4p maiden with er/any piece/healing bonus
It's optional but great to have. Hyperbloom Lisa is existed, so she should not just be Neuvillete's slave...
How would you compare the damage of a team with lisa vs a team with fishcl instead?
bruv how your Neuvillette at 41k hp with 320 cd mine is 300 cd but 35k hp tf
Neuvillette+Furina = Hydro advantage
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I built my Lisa so always glad to hear of other great teams for her. Just tried this team and I got my 35th star! Still not close to getting the last star on the 2nd floor but I’ll keep trying!
Congrats! Keep trying
@@jamiekb9vI did it! Lisa for the win!
What the heck just happened...
It would of been nice to see how much you do without her for comparison.
ah my apologies! I can say its much faster than fischl and charlotte
@@jamiekb9v I see. It's a nice alternative then.
Just tried this team and it's really fun. Prolly my favorite Neuv team now.
Glad to have found another team for my Lisa. I built her 'cause she's C6 but couldn't find another team for her aside from aggravate.
would lisa work for raiden+chevreuse team or is C6 Sara or bennett or xiangling still better than lisa?
yeah unfortunately sara+bennett and sara+xiangling are better for raiden
I'm debating leveling lisa and crafting refines for my Pamber to try this instead of Petra albedo. I really like running albedo when my zhongli is not available since he is braindead easy with no worry about ER and his animations are super quick so its easy to refresh petra mid rotation for high petra uptime.
if you play neuvilette kadzuha furina and literally anyone its gonna be a meta team lmao
Да с таким Нёвиллетом, по 75к... брелок на удачу можно любой брать. Хоть Эллой -.-
vv shred+ Lisa a4 is huge
Do you have to use fav sword on kazuha? Currently im using xiphos
Hmmmmmmm this seems like a fun team.
I love this, i have break old times in the abyss, and also allow me to play more characters on the other side.
Finally i have a reason to use Lisa in a good team :D, thanks for this info ❤
Just tried this team, and its actually pretty good.
Does running no healer hurts Furina damage therefore also makes overall DPS the same or even worse?
A new team for Lisa is always a W
uhhh i like this idear. i will try this for myself... got a strong lisa but no team for hear 😁😎
I'll be honest I have no clue how you get 62 energy back without spending any time on her. Seems like she needs the team to 1-rotate an entire chamber of many enemies to get enough particles. Though you did ascertain this team works in casual play, I find that hard to believe.
Very nice team anyway; who'd have thought this would be what gives Lisa's fast anims an edge ovet Zhongli's everything else?
i've played it a bunch on stream before in more casual settings, it works fine. also fav on kazuha can help!
Tried the team, and indeed its a speedrun. My Neuvi's damage increased decently. i wish 1 more constellation of her comes home so I can C4. I just recently leveled her up.
Yep i tried, this team slaps, my charlotte is getting benched.
Is there anything specific about getting the whopperflowers to tp to you in 12-2-1? I've tried running to the other end, but sometimes they'll just tp in place.
Leave some space in front of you to make them appear, otherwise they attempt to teleport, fail and go back to their place
run across and inshallah
does ER help Lisa if I only use burst?
Does Lisa need to be C6? Or C0 is Alright?
another weapon you can use if u dont need extra healing is hakushin ring, which gives additional hydro + electro dmg bonus up to 20% at r5.
ive been using her with my c3 neuvillette because im waiting for zhongli's rerun 😇
nice i can try that! although in speedruns everyone uses prototype amber so i'm assuming thats just better (healing+energy)
@@jamiekb9vI would say that these speedrunners don't even have Hakushin on their accounts, as it's bonus seem to offset the potential loss in Furina's stacks from not healing~
@@nara-yana I have it at r5 and i don’t think it does , the uptime on its buffs is not very long at all. Just use prototype amber 👍
i have been using raiden instead since the release of nuevilliette
is there anyone i can replace with furina? i don’t have her :(
Mona
its such a good team. i trust you.
I prefer to beidou but lisa a decent option as well
I built Lisa for a similar purpose, buffing My C6 Nahida. It works well, but I found that even with Fav Codex, ER can still end up being an issue for her when she is the only electro character.
The only problem with Lisa is that her "E" skill doesn't drop energy >_<
I find it really hard to only use Lisa on a team, needed another Electro for a smoother rotation.
Useless with no other endgame content.
I just use neuvillette with neuvillette lmao
Me with a c6 Lisa
Neuvillette: Stand proud. Your strong
Lisa: *tears of happiness in her eyes* thank you 🥹
i run my neuvilette with prototype amber already
so i thought of hakushin ring for lisa
thats actually good
Screw neuvillette and furina...
Of course im a lisa enjoyer. I use her in a Tighnari, Yea and Baizhu team. Got her triple crowned, C6 on lost prayer 2attck2electro. Can comfortably hit 100.000 charged E.
7:44 I know that song...
My go-to Neuvillette teams are
Neu+Kazuha+Furina+Charlotte and Neu+Fischl+Kazuha+Childe
Certainly Lisa would do okay
I’m just glad people use Lisa once again with hydro fireworks. Been the meta before with Xingqiu.
I see the title and i instanly hope for saving my team for neuvi and have a good reason to play lisa BUT.... i don't have furina and kazu 😢(probably my next pull with Zongli and raiden) no sucrose too 😮💨....
Why not using her for hyperbloom in my case ? (Yaoyao is in tighnari spread...) Or meaby taser, idk if beter than xinqui+linette(no good anemo yet) and Layla
What is 78k CA ticks?
WTF
I have a question... If I only have 6 Catalyst Billets, I can't pull Neuvilette's signature weapon nor pay the battle pass... How should I distribute refinements of Prototype Amber to have the best results running this team?? Or Should I run Neuvilette with Widsith with the gambling effect?? Thanks in advance!!
if your widsith is already refined and level 90 you should just use that on neuvillette, at least in the abyss. then just make 1 r5 prototype amber for lisa and also can give it to neuvillette in overworld/casual play 🤔
I was trying to find a reason to use Lisa for Alhaitham or Neuvi and then this video popped up lol I don't know man, I just like her playstyle. I might even get her to c4 one day if I get the chance.
my god that Neuvi crit dmg
Can you get her Ulti up in time before floor is over? Or did u redo the abyss to make sure she has ulti up after clearing 12-1 / 12-2 ?
2.4 player, lisa still c0
Me still use her
Yupp i'm definetly gonna use Lisa but for hyperbloom triger with neuvi , it's more easy for me with m'y box , with Layla for shild and a dendro 🎉
After trying this out for a while it feels ok, the biggest issue is ER for Lisa. I have her at almost 260% and she just gets her burst if you're really conscious of swapping to use everyones skills and run at least one fav. Like sometimes I'd have to cancel a neuv ca near the end of a chamber to get in another E or furina fav proc before the enemies died or lisa wouldnt have her burst for the next chamber.
Seems good if you've got Neuv's sig weapon. Mine has proto amber, so figure fish/yae are prob better to add more damage as my neuv won't have your damage. The downside to this is Yae takes much more field time, but gives a second nuke and decent damage imo, fish is prob comparable in field time but both def require investment unlike lisa here.
not suprising. wasn't lisa put up for people who didn't need a zhongli shield but you know how people feel about not having zhongli to hold them.
Thx! Got easy 36*
Rosaria, Eula, Lisa, Bennett was my boss killer comp before Raiden replaced Lisa. I'd use the 4* ER set (the set now Gorou use, Exile?) with Prototype Amber.
I haven't seen the video yet but I am guessing Maiden Lisa with full Er and Healing perhaps.
Man, I want Arlecchino's weapon. Otherwise, I'd pull Neuvillette C1.
Yo guys, if you run Prototype Amber on both Neuvi and Lisa, does it stack?
Great idea! Will try it. Is there overall incremental uplift in DPS / clear time vs. Zhongli / Baizhu or is it around same level trading RES shred + petra for DEF shred?
I’m definitely gonna build Lisa now once I’m done with Thoma 😆
I built Lisa as a DEF shred support as well, although for Spread teams rather than Neuvilette. I’m surprised you made it work with only 220% ER.
In my shred support, I use a Favonious weapon and 250% ER to be able to burst consistently for low numbers of targets. Maybe it’s different since you’re getting enough orbs from defeating enemies so quickly.
Already tried it and it's Not worth it specially in abyss where enemy runs here and there for nothing.
I wish kazuha wasn't with neuvi on rate up i got neuvi but now don't have enough for kazuha. next time.
jamie kazuha faq is the new zy0x diluc guide
Why you need to use her because she wanted to be in your team
I already built Charlotte for this team, that was a lot of resources...
Maybe we will get a proper support for this role in Natlan, duno...
Been wanting to use Lisa for a long time and this team is indeed very strong. How do you think it compares to using her in Haitham Quicken team?
Wait proto Amber's healing is based on the party max hp itself or the user max hp?
Wanted to try this out after seeing this on your stream but I lost my 50/50. Lisa's staying at level 20 for now.
sorry to hear that 😔
for a skill issue high ping player like me , playing neuvillette without shield is like fighting naked
Does healing bonus work on proto amber's healing?
Song of the days past can buff for neuvillette ?
Speaking of DEF Shred, what about Razor C4? Does it stack with Lisa?
it would but lisa's def shred is worth it cause it lasts long, big aoe, and off field, and she can heal on top. unfortunately small def shred isn't valuable enough by itself to replace common teammates
I have her at c6 and semi built her (lvl 70 moderate talents) might need to dust her off the shelf