Zondag with Lubach showed us already that 80% of the flights are touch down and go further without people do get into the Netherlands, so if you moved those flights to Germany you get a 80% reduction, now are just the farmers fucked...Money and power, the problem every country has to deal with,normal people get screwed big time. DSM a chemical company in the south of the Netherlands dumps over 500 unknown substances into the water, the same water that 7 million Dutch people get drinking water from 10 miles further where the water company is based...Makes no sense, who gives these people the permission to dump, they should be jailed for life...again, they go on until its to late for a lot of people.
@@mushie8447about those 80%: so what. A lot of airlines does the same after KLM the one who made this type of transport. Hub traffic is standard nowadays. So if you cut it away you won't get it back.
@@louisbeijn2436 I find that wage hard to believe. I lived and worked in NL for 18 years and I made more than that from Manpower before I got a contract.
@@nancymesek I got an email offering me 11.50 per hour if I join the staff there. What a joke. Even as a student, I made more driving for Thuisbezorgd and that's a way nicer job.
The worst of all is that CPH airport (Københavns Lufthavne) is privately owned in its majority (60%) and is listed on the stock market Schiphol group, on the other hand, is owned by the Dutch government and the Cities of Amsterdam and Rotterdam. A state-owned company that clearly cares more about profit than privately owned competitors, at the cost of its employees
Don't forget Paris: The Schiphol Group is owned by the Dutch Ministry of Finance (69.77%), the municipalities of Amsterdam (20.03%) and Rotterdam (2.2%) and Aéroports de Paris (8.00%).
Private companies in the Netherlands are worse.. Privatizing healthcare was the biggest misstake the dutch people led happen.. So I don't think this is the awnser.
As travellers we never give the ground staff a second thought. You have opened our eyes to the danger they are in. I go to Amsterdam a lot but not with KLM in the future until they put workers health as a priority. I hope others do the same. If we stop flying with them we hit them where it hurts, in the pocket. Great video
Unfortunately, this attention for this problem comes to late for my father who died in 2013 due to cancer of the sarcophaces, he was a cargoworker (kabelgat) and his workuniform always reeked of airport fumes he was employed for over 25 years before he retired early at age 57.
i am sorry to hear that, but my greatgrandfather worked for 43 years at schiphol from the end of the ww2 towards mid 80's. That was the time from fokker wood planes towards dc3, F27, constalation, dc8, 747,and dc10 (also wich exept for constalation, the ones he worked on) He died a view years before my birth (alzheimer). In his days aviation was terribly for your health. So it improved a lot from 80-90's towards now. It doesn't mean it's fixed but cleared a lot if we compare. Again sad to hear about your father
Why do you think it got better? Obviously the pollution of a single plane got less… but the amount off planes growed so numerous, I doubt it’s overall pollution isn’t worse nowadays..
@@junipermeisje6300 the technology improved so much. The engines are more efficiënt, safer and make less noise due the introduction op bypass, fadec and other kind of technology or design. Planes are made with computers wich can predict aerodynamic flaws and or construction flaws due modelling it's cycles. We could predict due intensive testing on scale future structural failure or component failure. Due vr technology we could make planes safer and easier to maintain by technicians. Instead of aluminium more composite materials are used. Because it's lighter and stronger than aluminium materials. This is also more ecofriendly to make apart from aluminium. More computers within airplanes makes flying also more efficiënt. Computers are more pricesly apart from pilots. Planes are the most efficiënt and safest way of transport/ traveling
Personeel gewoon staken Alles plat leggen en pas weer terug komen als het gezond en veilig is En juist nu in de top drukte wanneer er al hoge nood is Voelen die graaiers het juist extra goed Slaat natuurlijk nergens op we hebben allemaal recht op een gezonde werkplek
Vliegen duurder maken , en stoppen met de nutteloze vakantie vluchtjes . Denk je dat die dampen in de lucht niet schadelijk zijn maar alleen op de grond ?
Modern slavery is present alle around the word and also in the Netherlands. Authorities postpone, dive away, and take as long as possible to do something . In the meantime people get exploited and their health violated. On the outside our government likes to make a good impression, but o boy so much is wrong in our little country!
@@fsobsessive7602 He wants to do the job, but that's no reason to be abused by the negligent employer and settle for an unlawfully unhealthy workplace.
@@petep.2092 He knew, when he took the job, that exhaust fumes weren't healthy for him. Don't start complaining after the fact. Same for people removing asbestos, soldiers, firemen, policemen. All at risk. Give me a break. It would be different if it was done on purpose and the employee didn't know about the risks.
I wanted to know how much the airport fees rose in Copenhagen after they started with electric pushbacks. Then you can make a calculation what a human life is worth for Schiphol and KLM. And parliament should make it an obligation for them to cooperate with RIVM (or independent) health studies and measurements on the airport platform. All in according to labor laws. That is the minimum an employer should do for its employees.
We, as passengers have a part in this. The government and companies are not going fast enough to save CO2 output and other things because it will mean an increase in price and then people will start complaining again. If we all want a cleaner world, we all should also prove it. We are all in this together for a the most part.
I just started working there, and I can tell you, most of the platform people are totally fine with the health risks. They are laughing about and don't seem to care about it at all. I am not gonna work there for too long, that's for sure.
I can understand the frustration of the ground crew. I live 20 km from Schiphol and under a very busy flightline and I see on my balcony the black layer of dust. Imagine what it does to your innards. Schiphol and the divers companies that land there must come to some serious changes because this is life-threatening to those workers. As it is stated in dutch law that every worker has the right to work in a safe environment, get a move on and give them a safe place to work. Also a hefty pay check for dangerous circumstances. Let the people who fly pay for it and dan the cost.
In the eighties we worked with members from ground crews, mostly from a Pakistan background at the time, on improving the working conditions at Schiphol Airport. We tried to organise them into trade unions as members of the Dutch Trade Union Federation (FNV). The conditions were already appalling 40 years ago. Needless to say, we did not win that battle at the time. Poisining 20.000 workers is apparently not a problem in the Netherlands....I will try to track down some of the people we worked with at the time to send them this docu, but most have moved back to Pakistan since then. Many thanx for making this available in English, hope this struggle will finally be won!
Ik heb daar ooit eens een oplossing voor bedacht wat tegelijkertijd het gebruik aan kerosine drastisch inperkt. De oplossing is een geautomatiseerd railsysteem waarbij het neuswiel van het vliegtuig in geleid wordt . Het railsysteem bevindt zich direct na elke afrit van de landingsbaan en tot aan elke startbaan zodra het neuswiel wordt aangehaakt in het railsysteem worden de motoren automatisch buiten werking gesteld. D.m.v het gebruik van transponders wordt elk vliegtuig keurig netjes geparkeerd bij de juiste gate zonder hulp van personeel op de grond . Het railsysteem werkt ook vice versa waarbij het vliegtuig naar elke startbaan zal worden gebracht. Het soms kilometerslange taxien kan dan geheel zonder motoren geschieden. Waardoor het hele gebied rondom Schiphol aanmerkelijk in luchtkwaliteit zal gaan verbeteren. Het systeem kan uitgebreid worden naar Schiphol Oost waar onderhoud plaats vindt maar ook naar de diverse stallingplaatsen . Voordelen railsysteem 1) verbetering luchtkwaliteit 2) verbetering werkomgeving grondpersoneel 3) reducering geluidsoverlast 4) ongelukken uitgesloten geen parkeer schades meer 5) minder ziekteverzuim 6) kerosine besparing
Initially in Dutch, now also in English. OK, guys, let's stop ALL air traffic in the world and close all airports. Destroy world trade a little bit and the economy. What all airports should do is provide personnel working near aircraft with proper masks with good filters to prevent inhaling toxic fumes. A basic and simple first step to a solution. Another step would be to push back planes a bit further before the engines get started.
Well you sure wouldn't want to protect the workers who are sucking in all those toxic fumes if it's going to have a negative impact on the bottom line now, would you?You sound like a fine human being. Or should I say a company hack.
@@martinsundland7614 You misunderstood my complete message, ALSO when planes get pushed back protective masks should be worn. And no, I do not work for Royal Dutch Airlines, nor Amsterdam Schiphol Airport.
@@maartenj.vermeulen900 That will not work. You can't force people to use protective gear all day. Protective gear is generally awful to wear, letting workers wear that for 8 hours straight is not a solution imo
This reflects very badly on schipol and KLM and the Dutch parliament/regulatory system. Genuinely surprised the ground crew are not using N95 grade masks which now post covid are easily available, but why oh why arnt the Dutch regulators enforcing them and implementing the remote start up switch off procedures of Copenhagen. We all know the answer but thats where regulatory bodies have to do their thing to protect groundcrew and fine the transgressors. Never ever heard of this issue before but would assume its a similar problem at many other heavy traffic hubs
Maybe with the new flight cutback plan for Schiphol they'll actually consider changing more. Maybe they'll have more time between flights to introduce these healthier, more time-consuming procedures.
the N95 masks do not help against the nano particles and even if it did, it would restrict the breathing capabilities of the staff, which would create even more issues. the core problem needs to be fixed, not the symptoms.
@@NC700_68 i completely agree with the main point, this needs fixing at source. As regards its efficacy against nano particles im not qualified to say, but not all the shit in the air is that small so Im sure it would reduce if not remove entirely, and as regarding breathing difficulties ... why do the experts recommend it and in the case of medical staff, wear it at work?
@@Mark13091961 medical staff wear it for limited times and only to protect their own face from contaminated substances. like blood for example. a baggage handler is doing a lot more physically intensive work so being able to breathe properly is important.
Really shocking. After watching the documentary, I do realize something. In India for example, Engine start happens on the taxiway and not at the gate (at least in Bangalore and Hyderabad Intl. Airports) Indeed it is shocking to see this happen. I also know for example at LAX (Los Angeles Intl. Airport) the aircrafts can't start their engines unti they are on the taxi entrance.
The reaction of KLM to invest in bio-fuel and newer planes is only in favor of their own financial gain. Newer planes are always more economical than older planes. That difference is very small. The easiest way to reduce emissions drastically is by reducing the number of flights. But unfortunately for their staff, they only care about their market position.
If the government is going to impose limits on the nr of flights, customers will revolt. That is the "free" world. I would love to see hard limits being imposed on everyone to save on pollution because if we have to wait for voluntary change, this will come (too) late.
@reza suki You can't rely on the company, colleagues nor legislation to get a safe workspace. You are solely responsible for your personal health and safety and no one else. I work at another dusty environment, namely an orthopedic shoe and inlay sole factory. This means I have to work in an environment with all kinds of dust like: - EVA like goretex containing PFAS - gypsum - orthoplast and polyurethane - carbon fibers Those dusts and fine particles are coming from solving gypsum into water, mixing the two components of polyurethane and using sand belt machines. Of course there are FFP2 masks and gas masks present there, but still I can't prevent inhaling that stuff thanks to non-social colleagues, bad safety culture (gloves for sand belt machines? Just work with bare hands!) and generally people not being aware of the risks of the stuff they're working with.
@@lj4644 Dankjewel, ik heb een dokters afspraak staan voor een onderzoek kwa hoveel schade ik heb opgelopen toen ik daark werkte. Ik hoop dat het niet zo erg is 😅
It's not really a secret, but i do feel it needs more attention to deal with this. When i worked at Schiphol in the realy 2000's this was already well known, maybe not just put into hard numbers. It is logic, working in such environment, wether its an airport, a seaport or distribution center, there is always things floating around that are toxic and/or just very unhealthy.
I'm Dutch but I will post this in English too for our foreign readers/viewers. I work at an outside maintenance firm with a Schiphol contract. Almost daily I visit the "platform" as we call it here to do my work and I see all of this in this documentary confirmed 100%. I too walk amongst the parked planes but when the engines start revving up the difference is I can hide in my company van when they're pushed back. And those APU's...oh man...they're always on...on almost every parked plane on the busy piers (E/F/D). But truth be told, I don't spend a fraction of the time close to the planes as compared to the luggage guys (and girls) but I'm always glad to high tail it out of there and get back to our workshop. That said we're not exactly safe since our location is next to a elevated taxi lane and the old 747 cargo planes blaze by every day engulfing our whole workshop in burnt kerosene fumes... Ik werk bij een buitenfirma met een Schipholcontract. Ik bezoek bijna dagelijks het "platform" zoals we het hier noemen om mijn werk te doen en ik zie dit alles in deze documentaire voor 100% bevestigd. Ik loop ook tussen de geparkeerde vliegtuigen maar als de motoren draaien is het verschil is dat ik me in mijn bedrijfsbus kan verstoppen als ze worden teruggeduwd. En die APU's...oh man...die staan altijd aan...op bijna elk geparkeerd vliegtuig op de drukke pieren (E/F/D). Maar eerlijk gezegd,ik ben daar maar een fractie van de tijd vergeleken met de bagage mannen/vrouwen en ik ben altijd blij als ik weer weg kan om terug te gaan naar onze werkplaats. Dat gezegd hebbende, we zijn niet bepaald veilig, aangezien onze locatie naast een taxibaan ligt en de oude 747-vrachtvliegtuigen elke dag voorbij blazen en onze hele werkplaats overspoelen met verbrande kerosinedampen...
@@rkan2 Have you ever tried doing manual labour with one of those miserable masks on? After 10 minutes tops you'd be tossing it in the nearest bin!! I think you mean well with your comment but I think it's coming from someone with a deskjob...am I right?
@@ZerokillerOppel1 What are you referring to when you are talking about a mask? And yes I have. Do you know what a PAPR is? Asbestos work can be hard work (checkout your compatriot mastermilo's Asbestos roof removal videos for an idea). There is a couple reasons why PAPRs are used. At airports you could get away with the welder version with just a hood since loosing the air supply wouldn't mean immediate danger to health.
@@rkan2 Oh no...I know exactly what you're referring to with PAPR. That being said you'd better stick with your pencils and your nice ac controlled office and leave the back breaking,dirty sweaty work to the real guys who actually know first hand what's it like working with that stuff instead of copy pasting Wikipedia and passing it for "real" knowledge...
Dit zag ik zelf op Singapore Airport gebeuren toen ik daar voor mijn werkgever een project had op de luchthaven. Dat was in 2015. Volgens collega's was Schiphol wel wat beter. Singapore Airport is meerdere keren verkozen tot 'Beste luchthaven ter wereld', maar achter de schermen zag ik direct dat er geen enkele zorg was om de gezondheid van het personeel. De dikke as lagen/deeltjes die overal op kleefden, de zware dieselauto's die de hele tijd door de overdekte gedeeltes reden; één grote gifwolk. Alle managers van de luchthaven lopen als zelfingenomen halve goden door de luchthaven en weten alles precies uit het boekje. Echter, ik heb nooit iemand ook maar een woord over de gezondheid van hun medewerkers horen reppen. Ook bij mijn NL werkgever leek er nooit te worden nagedacht over de luchtvervuiling waarin hun personeel aan het werk was. Bij opmerkingen van mijn kant over ongezonde werkomstandigheden werd ik door hoofd HR aangekeken alsof ze het in Keulen hoorde donderen. Collega's die het al 10-20 jaar deden leken er nooit bij stil gestaan te hebben.
Interesting to see such a difference in culture between the Danish and the Dutch in this documentary: "No one should get sick from going to work" vs. growth at all costs and staying "the cheapest airport in europe"
The law requires the employer to eliminate, where reasonably practicable, the risk of exposure to hazardous chemical agents or, if it is not possible to eliminate them, to reduce the potential for exposure and so control that exposure in order to prevent harm or ill health to the workers or others affected by the work activity
Our farmers have to close down their businesses due to nitrogen oxide emissions (which is straight up food for plants) yet they let this schandal going on
Volgens mij is dit al een oudere video. Maar helaas nog altijd even relevant. Word tijd dat er eens flinke kamer vragen worden gesteld en dat Schiphol is tot veranderen word gedwongen. Het hele land denkt dat het door corona komt dat er nu gigantische rijen staan, maar de echte reden zijn gewoon de onveilige en onredelijke werkomstandigheden. Ik heb voor een beveiligingsbedrijf gewerkt op Schiphol die mij doodleuk gebroken shifts gaf (naar werk, naar huis, terug naar werk, en weer naar huis op 1 dag), veelte lange dagen, te weinig pauzes, en een slavenloontje. Maar gelukkig hebben Schiphol en KLM corona hulp gekregen van een paar miljoen! Als het aan mij zou zijn zou Schiphol de Noordzee in verhuizen, worden minimumlonen verhoogd naar 14 euro, en bouwen we het dan oude Schiphol vol woningen.
Boel plat geen werk meer verrichten tot veilig is toch niet zo moeilijk dan geen verdiensten voor schiphol moet je kijken hoe hard ze gaan lopen kom voor je zelf op een ander doet t niet voor je gr
You can easily confirm this by consulting ESA and their monitoring if air pollution via satellites program. A couple of tears ago it was confirmed that people in the area have their life span due to low quality air they are breathing
WAT staat er in de handleiding bij elke motor die GE / RollsRolyce leveren? Daar moet haast wel in te lezen zijn dat het volkomen veilig is allemaal...of niet veilig natuurlijk. Lijkt mij dat zo'n manual makkelijk op te zoeken is, en daarmee lijkt ook makkelijk te bewijzen dat elke maatschappij / luchthaven de feiten kent
FNV laat ook weer lekker zien dat ze niets uitvoeren. "Ja, wij houden schiphol nu aansprakelijk voor de onveilige werkomgeving op schiphol." Gaan jullie hier ook iets mee doen? Ah, daar gaan we het natuurlijk niet over hebben.
bad for those workers.... and Schiphol is 1 of the biggest pollution creators in the Netherlands, while government closes their eyes.... "money is more important." above 900 meter height those planes stop polluting.... on of the reason farmers have to shrink their footprint, while Schiphol and other BIG companies' do care. lol like their action..... we have electric cars.... sounds almost like how they attack their farmers to handle CO2, while Schiphol, is one of the biggest polluter hope they never ever may expand..because that would show government is more interested in money then health and climate change. Hope one day they create a way to tax ALL not only the small persons, but specially they BIG ones that make lots of money that should also be invested into solving the problem.. now the money disappears into Brussel and Netherlands government..
Nobody is wearing any lung protective gear, so it's very obvious that they exposed their lungs to toxic fumes. One doesn't need to be a genie to be able to notice that.
either people start traveling in EUR by train only, or people will have to pay significantly more so the situation can improve..... or maybe fewer vacation....
Trains also create UFP by braking, speeding through stations and pantographs sliding under the catenary. This creates copper and iron dusts not good the lungs and in some instances sand dust too in case of not having a solid concrete foundation of the rails.
Ik ben nu arbeidsongeschikt ivm een COPD gelijkende kwaal ( aangeboren) Ik vraag mij nu af of ik na 43jaar bij een afhandelaar gewerkt te hebben , welliswaar in de loods en op slecht onderhouden kantoren , of mijn kwaal niet erger is gemaakt door het fijnstof gedoe.... vooralsnog nu geen nare ziekte onder de leden zover ik weet.... maar ben wel bang....
Ik zou zo’n fijnstof masker gaan dragen, is dat niet slim? De andere oplossingen klinken duur en de helft van veel is nog steeds veel. Zo’n masker blokkeert 99% van de fijnstof en kost praktisch niks op een ticket?
This would be a global problem for any airport with high volume flights. At Schiphol, staff are offered a fine particle face mask to wear to combat this. They can't force staff to wear it but the masks are there.
@@xlprop6687 Agreed but mentioned it because air travel is a global business with regulatory bodies already in-place. These regulatory bodies are already empowered to set standards applicable to all airports across the globe. I guess you are right as the Netherlands could set a standard greater than a global standard.
@@chrispnw2547 I think the people who can make great possitive steps forward for health and the environment just won't due to the large and fast flow of cash generated by operating in this fashion. We can move forward if we don't cause a financial impact on the mighty few.
What about all airports of the world, do they have the same problems as Schiphol airport? All major airports have the same problems with their pollution???The problem seems to be on all MAJOR world airports, actions should be taken !!!!!!!!
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1) How is this different than any other airport on the globe? The aeronautics industry is built on a fuel burning foundation. The economy cannot operate without this network of planes flying 24/7. Where are the masks and protective gear they could wear when on the tarmac.
Should use electric tugs to get the plane all the way to the runway and start the engine there. Especially on Shiphol some taxi routes take atliest 15 minuts. That's 15 minuts of both engines running using loads of fuel.
They already have trials with that but that isn't what they would like you to see/know in this documentaries. Like all documentaries, they are based on what the maker of the documentaries wants you to see. He or she had something to gain, sympathy.
@@fsobsessive7602 True, but i have been a few times visiting the KLM hangar, and the air was very bad and my clothes smelled so pretty sure it's an issue, but i agree that most documentaries are over dramatized.
Ik heb in een vliegtuig gezeten richting Montréal/Canada die 40 min na opstijgen,terug moest omdat er een ernstig technisch probleem met het vliegtuig gaande was.Niemand had wat door,er werd op dat moment nog niets gemeld door de piloot,totdat er een grote straal vloeistof uit de vleugel van het vliegtuig spoot.Ik zag het,en vroeg een steward wat dat was. De steward antwoordde dat het vliegtuig niet kon landen met een volle tank. Dus vlogen we rondjes over de oceaan om de kerosine te droppen.Ik was verbijsterd,en gaf aan dat dat slecht was voor de natuur e.d Waarop werd geantwoord door de steward dat het al verdampt zou zijn voordat het beneden was. Ik heb dit altijd zeer sceptisch bekeken,nooit iets van geloofd. En....hoe vaak gebeurt dit dus wel niet??
Het zou mooi zijn als die 20.000 man opstapt en nu de werkgelegenheid nog zo goed is ergens anders aan de bak gaat. Van mijn part doeken ze dat hele Schiphol op en blijft Lelystad gewoon een klein vliegveld. Dan maar een mindere economie, boeiend. Waarom altijd meer meer meer
JIJ, mensen zoals JOU, schreeuwen vanaf de zijlijn. Vliegen is niet weg te denken in 2022. Dat JIJ niet verder hoeft te gaan dan je lokale bakker betekent niet dag je hier zulke bullshit moet verkopen!
Klinkt alsof ze allemaal gewoon met p3 filtermaskers moeten rondlopen wat je ook in de petrochemie moet gebruiken. Zo'n risico met passende PBM hadden ze tientallen jaren geleden al moeten bedenken
KLM uses their APU for conditioned air and optimum comfort for their passengers. whats wrong with that? Working at a airport is a choice, nobody is forcing them to do this job. its like smoking sigarettes and sueing the producer knowing its unhealthy,
zie je wel de waarde volle dingen zijn in veel ogen waardeloos zoals het leven. maar de waardeloze dingen zoals tijd spullen en vooral geld wordt als waardevol gezien. geloof en weten zijn door elkaar gegooid en geen mens die daar aan denkt
Flying within the borders of Europe should be taxed orderly !!! Only then the train becomes a worthy alternative . That would be a starter 💪 For decades now..... If you were unemployed ESPECIALLY longtime on benefits and lower level educated you were pushed in the direction of Schiphol.... The government and city of Amsterdam knows very well what’s wrong!
Nee .. is vliegen schadelijk dan ? .. maar hoe kom ik dan naar barcelona goedkoop en snel ?? .. niet mn vakantie afpakken hoor ... wat zijn we toch sneu met zn allen ... vliegen 3x zo duur en ontmoedigen
They forget about the new planes wich are more quite, lower fuelburn, lower emmisions. Also the ground handling at Schiphol became more than 80% electric. So the quality improves, but those turning engines at gates has to stop after 1 minute or less. That has to be a rule.
I bet Zembla staff never travel by plane from Schiphol. I haven't for more than a decade. Doesn't me make as holy as them because they never flew from there.
Daarom is het nu chaos op Schiphol, wie wil dat werk na deze docu nog doen? Daar kan geen geld tegenop. Hoop dat er nog meer gaan stoppen zodat dat vliegen eens op gaat houden.
are there some kind of masks that could help? at work when i glue PVC pipes together im required to wear a mask with some filters on it. Maybe something along those lines could help some.
Schiphol moet inkrimpen en naar Kopenhagen kijken. Tickets duurder, minder overstappers, het is niet zo moeilijk als je de graaiers buiten beschouwing laat
@@maartenj.vermeulen900 Nee, maar waarom is Schiphol wel een hub (een van de grootste ter wereld?) Het heeft alles te maken met geld en subsidies. Als land op zich zijn we zo'n grote luchthaven helemaal niet nodig. Overstappen duurder maken om geld te genereren voor een betere bescherming (en betaling!) van grondpersoneel.
I've actually never had a deep thought about the health of ground-crew.
I'm glad Zembla invested money and time for this news.
Just kicking some open doors
Zondag with Lubach showed us already that 80% of the flights are touch down and go further without people do get into the Netherlands, so if you moved those flights to Germany you get a 80% reduction, now are just the farmers fucked...Money and power, the problem every country has to deal with,normal people get screwed big time. DSM a chemical company in the south of the Netherlands dumps over 500 unknown substances into the water, the same water that 7 million Dutch people get drinking water from 10 miles further where the water company is based...Makes no sense, who gives these people the permission to dump, they should be jailed for life...again, they go on until its to late for a lot of people.
@@mushie8447about those 80%: so what. A lot of airlines does the same after KLM the one who made this type of transport. Hub traffic is standard nowadays. So if you cut it away you won't get it back.
Now the staff shortage at Schiphol makes sense.
This is because they fired a ton of people because of covid, that do not want to go back to work these shit jobs, so now they cant find new personel
Some are paid with 10 euro,s bruto per hour ,thats 7,50 an hour !!
@@louisbeijn2436 I find that wage hard to believe. I lived and worked in NL for 18 years and I made more than that from Manpower before I got a contract.
@@nancymesek I got an email offering me 11.50 per hour if I join the staff there. What a joke. Even as a student, I made more driving for Thuisbezorgd and that's a way nicer job.
@@louisbeijn2436 das onzin. 10 euro is geen 7.50 met loonheffingskorting
The worst of all is that CPH airport (Københavns Lufthavne) is privately owned in its majority (60%) and is listed on the stock market
Schiphol group, on the other hand, is owned by the Dutch government and the Cities of Amsterdam and Rotterdam. A state-owned company that clearly cares more about profit than privately owned competitors, at the cost of its employees
Welcome to the Netherlands where everything is a revenue model.
Spijker, kop
Don't forget Paris: The Schiphol Group is owned by the Dutch Ministry of Finance (69.77%), the municipalities of Amsterdam (20.03%) and Rotterdam (2.2%) and Aéroports de Paris (8.00%).
Private companies in the Netherlands are worse..
Privatizing healthcare was the biggest misstake the dutch people led happen..
So I don't think this is the awnser.
@@Limburg92privatisation of ns was a very positive effect though, what went wrong with the hospitals?
Goed werk Zembla! Ook fijn dat jullie de tijd hebben genomen om ook een Engelse versie te maken voor de vliegtoeristen.
Die vliegtoeristen gaan dit echt zien ja, aanboord bij KLM waarschijnlijk
As travellers we never give the ground staff a second thought. You have opened our eyes to the danger they are in. I go to Amsterdam a lot but not with KLM in the future until they put workers health as a priority. I hope others do the same. If we stop flying with them we hit them where it hurts, in the pocket. Great video
The problem is that the whole aviation sector is messed up. This time Schiphol is the victim of a documentary but every airport is like this sadly.
Unfortunately, this attention for this problem comes to late for my father who died in 2013 due to cancer of the sarcophaces, he was a cargoworker (kabelgat) and his workuniform always reeked of airport fumes he was employed for over 25 years before he retired early at age 57.
i am sorry to hear that, but my greatgrandfather worked for 43 years at schiphol from the end of the ww2 towards mid 80's. That was the time from fokker wood planes towards dc3, F27, constalation, dc8, 747,and dc10 (also wich exept for constalation, the ones he worked on) He died a view years before my birth (alzheimer). In his days aviation was terribly for your health. So it improved a lot from 80-90's towards now. It doesn't mean it's fixed but cleared a lot if we compare. Again sad to hear about your father
Why do you think it got better? Obviously the pollution of a single plane got less… but the amount off planes growed so numerous, I doubt it’s overall pollution isn’t worse nowadays..
Wat erg om een dierbare zo te verliezen.
Every time now that I pass through Schiphol, the smell reminds me of my father.
@@junipermeisje6300 the technology improved so much. The engines are more efficiënt, safer and make less noise due the introduction op bypass, fadec and other kind of technology or design. Planes are made with computers wich can predict aerodynamic flaws and or construction flaws due modelling it's cycles. We could predict due intensive testing on scale future structural failure or component failure. Due vr technology we could make planes safer and easier to maintain by technicians. Instead of aluminium more composite materials are used. Because it's lighter and stronger than aluminium materials. This is also more ecofriendly to make apart from aluminium. More computers within airplanes makes flying also more efficiënt. Computers are more pricesly apart from pilots. Planes are the most efficiënt and safest way of transport/ traveling
Personeel gewoon staken
Alles plat leggen en pas weer terug komen als het gezond en veilig is
En juist nu in de top drukte wanneer er al hoge nood is
Voelen die graaiers het juist extra goed
Slaat natuurlijk nergens op we hebben allemaal recht op een gezonde werkplek
Vliegen duurder maken , en stoppen met de nutteloze vakantie vluchtjes .
Denk je dat die dampen in de lucht niet schadelijk zijn maar alleen op de grond ?
Wijs besluit.
Oké eerlijk gezegd top plan, maar kunnen we dit wel ff over twee weken doen? Dan ben ik net terug van vakantie, alvast bedankt man!
Zorgt alleen maar weer voor chaos voor de marechaussee wat voor veel incidenten gaat zorgen bij passagiers. En stakend personeel
Inderdaad, nu is het tijd voor actie platgooien die handel. Dit is toch absurd, dat al die mensen zich letterlijk de dood in werken.
Modern slavery is present alle around the word and also in the Netherlands. Authorities postpone, dive away, and take as long as possible to do something . In the meantime people get exploited and their health violated. On the outside our government likes to make a good impression, but o boy so much is wrong in our little country!
If you don't want to do this job, look for a different one.
@@fsobsessive7602 He wants to do the job, but that's no reason to be abused by the negligent employer and settle for an unlawfully unhealthy workplace.
@@petep.2092 He knew, when he took the job, that exhaust fumes weren't healthy for him. Don't start complaining after the fact. Same for people removing asbestos, soldiers, firemen, policemen. All at risk. Give me a break. It would be different if it was done on purpose and the employee didn't know about the risks.
I wanted to know how much the airport fees rose in Copenhagen after they started with electric pushbacks. Then you can make a calculation what a human life is worth for Schiphol and KLM. And parliament should make it an obligation for them to cooperate with RIVM (or independent) health studies and measurements on the airport platform. All in according to labor laws. That is the minimum an employer should do for its employees.
We, as passengers have a part in this.
The government and companies are not going fast enough to save CO2 output and other things because it will mean an increase in price and then people will start complaining again.
If we all want a cleaner world, we all should also prove it.
We are all in this together for a the most part.
All seriousness aside, 25:47 was awesome to see
that was a very very smooth slide, I agree.
I just started working there, and I can tell you, most of the platform people are totally fine with the health risks. They are laughing about and don't seem to care about it at all. I am not gonna work there for too long, that's for sure.
Are they totally fine with the risks before or after they were diagnosed cancer?
@@alainheijnens4486 Exactly
I think they misjudge the problem.
Cigarette smokers willingly destroy their lungs so some people really don't care.
Well most people are fine until its their time
I can understand the frustration of the ground crew. I live 20 km from Schiphol and under a very busy flightline and I see on my balcony the black layer of dust. Imagine what it does to your innards. Schiphol and the divers companies that land there must come to some serious changes because this is life-threatening to those workers. As it is stated in dutch law that every worker has the right to work in a safe environment, get a move on and give them a safe place to work. Also a hefty pay check for dangerous circumstances. Let the people who fly pay for it and dan the cost.
And the Goverment is only realy debatting about nitrogen levels and limits ,over farmers and ignoring these kinds of heavy polutions.
Exactly
In the eighties we worked with members from ground crews, mostly from a Pakistan background at the time, on improving the working conditions at Schiphol Airport. We tried to organise them into trade unions as members of the Dutch Trade Union Federation (FNV). The conditions were already appalling 40 years ago. Needless to say, we did not win that battle at the time. Poisining 20.000 workers is apparently not a problem in the Netherlands....I will try to track down some of the people we worked with at the time to send them this docu, but most have moved back to Pakistan since then. Many thanx for making this available in English, hope this struggle will finally be won!
Mooi werk wat je toen deed kameraad en ik hoop dat je die Pakistanen weet te vinden :)
Ik heb daar ooit eens een oplossing voor bedacht wat tegelijkertijd het gebruik aan kerosine drastisch inperkt. De oplossing is een geautomatiseerd railsysteem waarbij het neuswiel van het vliegtuig in geleid wordt . Het railsysteem bevindt zich direct na elke afrit van de landingsbaan en tot aan elke startbaan zodra het neuswiel wordt aangehaakt in het railsysteem worden de motoren automatisch buiten werking gesteld. D.m.v het gebruik van transponders wordt elk vliegtuig keurig netjes geparkeerd bij de juiste gate zonder hulp van personeel op de grond . Het railsysteem werkt ook vice versa waarbij het vliegtuig naar elke startbaan zal worden gebracht. Het soms kilometerslange taxien kan dan geheel zonder motoren geschieden. Waardoor het hele gebied rondom Schiphol aanmerkelijk in luchtkwaliteit zal gaan verbeteren. Het systeem kan uitgebreid worden naar Schiphol Oost waar onderhoud plaats vindt maar ook naar de diverse stallingplaatsen .
Voordelen railsysteem
1) verbetering luchtkwaliteit
2) verbetering werkomgeving grondpersoneel
3) reducering geluidsoverlast
4) ongelukken uitgesloten geen parkeer schades meer
5) minder ziekteverzuim
6) kerosine besparing
ik moet zeggen, slim bedacht.
@@carwashgaming3727 Dank je wel
Maar die kerosine in t luchtruim is veel en veel meer..en ook niet goed voor mens( en milieu) tis cumulatief
@@TH-xf9ok was nog niet zover om ze op waterdamp te laten vliegen, ha
Klopt maar deze mensen willen niets uitgeven maar wel verdienen.ziek
Initially in Dutch, now also in English. OK, guys, let's stop ALL air traffic in the world and close all airports. Destroy world trade a little bit and the economy.
What all airports should do is provide personnel working near aircraft with proper masks with good filters to prevent inhaling toxic fumes. A basic and simple first step to a solution.
Another step would be to push back planes a bit further before the engines get started.
Not a bad idea .......
And pull planes into the stand with all engines shut off before the procedure starts.
Well you sure wouldn't want to protect the workers who are sucking in all those toxic fumes if it's going to have a negative impact on the bottom line now, would you?You sound like a fine human being. Or should I say a company hack.
@@martinsundland7614 You misunderstood my complete message, ALSO when planes get pushed back protective masks should be worn. And no, I do not work for Royal Dutch Airlines, nor Amsterdam Schiphol Airport.
@@maartenj.vermeulen900 That will not work. You can't force people to use protective gear all day. Protective gear is generally awful to wear, letting workers wear that for 8 hours straight is not a solution imo
This reflects very badly on schipol and KLM and the Dutch parliament/regulatory system. Genuinely surprised the ground crew are not using N95 grade masks which now post covid are easily available, but why oh why arnt the Dutch regulators enforcing them and implementing the remote start up switch off procedures of Copenhagen. We all know the answer but thats where regulatory bodies have to do their thing to protect groundcrew and fine the transgressors.
Never ever heard of this issue before but would assume its a similar problem at many other heavy traffic hubs
Maybe with the new flight cutback plan for Schiphol they'll actually consider changing more. Maybe they'll have more time between flights to introduce these healthier, more time-consuming procedures.
Because the neoliberal government thinks Schiphol is very important for the economy, even though it isn’t.
the N95 masks do not help against the nano particles and even if it did, it would restrict the breathing capabilities of the staff, which would create even more issues. the core problem needs to be fixed, not the symptoms.
@@NC700_68 i completely agree with the main point, this needs fixing at source. As regards its efficacy against nano particles im not qualified to say, but not all the shit in the air is that small so Im sure it would reduce if not remove entirely, and as regarding breathing difficulties ... why do the experts recommend it and in the case of medical staff, wear it at work?
@@Mark13091961 medical staff wear it for limited times and only to protect their own face from contaminated substances. like blood for example. a baggage handler is doing a lot more physically intensive work so being able to breathe properly is important.
Really shocking. After watching the documentary, I do realize something. In India for example, Engine start happens on the taxiway and not at the gate (at least in Bangalore and Hyderabad Intl. Airports) Indeed it is shocking to see this happen. I also know for example at LAX (Los Angeles Intl. Airport) the aircrafts can't start their engines unti they are on the taxi entrance.
Actually, your LA theory is wrong. At the TB terminal they start the engines as soon as they been pushed back on to K
ministers en grote bedrijven spreken zich uit en boycotten Qatar om de werkomstandigheden van mensen daar, maar vergeten schiphol.
The reaction of KLM to invest in bio-fuel and newer planes is only in favor of their own financial gain. Newer planes are always more economical than older planes. That difference is very small. The easiest way to reduce emissions drastically is by reducing the number of flights. But unfortunately for their staff, they only care about their market position.
Exactly, although aren't they cutting back 100k flights now?
@@ROsteveification 60000 flights
Very small? Do you have numbers and a source?
If the government is going to impose limits on the nr of flights, customers will revolt. That is the "free" world.
I would love to see hard limits being imposed on everyone to save on pollution because if we have to wait for voluntary change, this will come (too) late.
This is murder. Charge Schiphol for the deaths of ground staff
It's a choice to work at an airport. You know that working on an airport is bad for your health.
@@fsobsessive7602 the company responsible for a save workplace. That Is the dutch Law
@reza suki You can't rely on the company, colleagues nor legislation to get a safe workspace. You are solely responsible for your personal health and safety and no one else.
I work at another dusty environment, namely an orthopedic shoe and inlay sole factory. This means I have to work in an environment with all kinds of dust like:
- EVA like goretex containing PFAS
- gypsum
- orthoplast and polyurethane
- carbon fibers
Those dusts and fine particles are coming from solving gypsum into water, mixing the two components of polyurethane and using sand belt machines. Of course there are FFP2 masks and gas masks present there, but still I can't prevent inhaling that stuff thanks to non-social colleagues, bad safety culture (gloves for sand belt machines? Just work with bare hands!) and generally people not being aware of the risks of the stuff they're working with.
@@rezasiki6096 But still the choice of the person that wants the job. If the environment isn't save, why take the job?
@@fsobsessive7602 it can also be by working in a place nearby, that your life is getting damaged without you knowing
Dat gaat al meer dan 50 jaar zo. Is inderdaad zeer ongezond deze uitlaatgassen. Maar dat interesseert niemand van de leiding hoor.
En dat moet echt per direct veranderen voordat dat tuig meer doden op hun geweten krijgen! Wat een ELLENDE!
Niemand van de gemeente, niemand van de overheidniemand van de politiek. We zijn allemaal slaven helaas.
@@lucis3452
Niet mee eens. KLM heeft een or en kunnen de werknemers het verschil maken. Maar is men niet meer georganiseerd
Schandalig en die manager is een baas dat die daar alles verteld 💪🏾💪🏾
Ongelooflijk. Het is werkelijk mensonterend om daar mensen te laten werken als dit allemaal echt waar is.
Ik werkte daar, heb ontslag genomen voor die reden en anderen. Tis echt giftig werk.
@@thelastsamurai4434 ik hoop dat je in goede gezondheid bent en blijft, sterkte
@@lj4644 Dankjewel, ik heb een dokters afspraak staan voor een onderzoek kwa hoveel schade ik heb opgelopen toen ik daark werkte. Ik hoop dat het niet zo erg is 😅
@@thelastsamurai4434 heftig, niks anders dan het beste 🍀
@@thelastsamurai4434 Ik hoop dat er niks aan de hand is met uw gezondheid🙏🏻
A literal and figurative toxic environment. Underpaid and overworked. I'm not a socialist at all, but this is a disgrace!
Schiphol does not need to innovate or do anything for its workers, they have a monopoly on Dutch airtravel thats where the first problem begins
It's not really a secret, but i do feel it needs more attention to deal with this.
When i worked at Schiphol in the realy 2000's this was already well known, maybe not just put into hard numbers.
It is logic, working in such environment, wether its an airport, a seaport or distribution center, there is always things floating around that are toxic and/or just very unhealthy.
I'm Dutch but I will post this in English too for our foreign readers/viewers. I work at an outside maintenance firm with a Schiphol contract. Almost daily I visit the "platform" as we call it here to do my work and I see all of this in this documentary confirmed 100%. I too walk amongst the parked planes but when the engines start revving up the difference is I can hide in my company van when they're pushed back. And those APU's...oh man...they're always on...on almost every parked plane on the busy piers (E/F/D). But truth be told, I don't spend a fraction of the time close to the planes as compared to the luggage guys (and girls) but I'm always glad to high tail it out of there and get back to our workshop. That said we're not exactly safe since our location is next to a elevated taxi lane and the old 747 cargo planes blaze by every day engulfing our whole workshop in burnt kerosene fumes...
Ik werk bij een buitenfirma met een Schipholcontract. Ik bezoek bijna dagelijks het "platform" zoals we het hier noemen om mijn werk te doen en ik zie dit alles in deze documentaire voor 100% bevestigd. Ik loop ook tussen de geparkeerde vliegtuigen maar als de motoren draaien is het verschil is dat ik me in mijn bedrijfsbus kan verstoppen als ze worden teruggeduwd. En die APU's...oh man...die staan altijd aan...op bijna elk geparkeerd vliegtuig op de drukke pieren (E/F/D). Maar eerlijk gezegd,ik ben daar maar een fractie van de tijd vergeleken met de bagage mannen/vrouwen en ik ben altijd blij als ik weer weg kan om terug te gaan naar onze werkplaats. Dat gezegd hebbende, we zijn niet bepaald veilig, aangezien onze locatie naast een taxibaan ligt en de oude 747-vrachtvliegtuigen elke dag voorbij blazen en onze hele werkplaats overspoelen met verbrande kerosinedampen...
How about consider masking a bit? P3 masks cost nuff all and active charcoal costs a bit more.. You wouldn't work with asbestos without a PAPR.
@@rkan2 Have you ever tried doing manual labour with one of those miserable masks on? After 10 minutes tops you'd be tossing it in the nearest bin!! I think you mean well with your comment but I think it's coming from someone with a deskjob...am I right?
@@ZerokillerOppel1 What are you referring to when you are talking about a mask? And yes I have. Do you know what a PAPR is? Asbestos work can be hard work (checkout your compatriot mastermilo's Asbestos roof removal videos for an idea). There is a couple reasons why PAPRs are used. At airports you could get away with the welder version with just a hood since loosing the air supply wouldn't mean immediate danger to health.
@@ZerokillerOppel1 I think you are the one with the desk job complaining about working with masks tbh :D
@@rkan2 Oh no...I know exactly what you're referring to with PAPR. That being said you'd better stick with your pencils and your nice ac controlled office and leave the back breaking,dirty sweaty work to the real guys who actually know first hand what's it like working with that stuff instead of copy pasting Wikipedia and passing it for "real" knowledge...
Dit zag ik zelf op Singapore Airport gebeuren toen ik daar voor mijn werkgever een project had op de luchthaven. Dat was in 2015. Volgens collega's was Schiphol wel wat beter. Singapore Airport is meerdere keren verkozen tot 'Beste luchthaven ter wereld', maar achter de schermen zag ik direct dat er geen enkele zorg was om de gezondheid van het personeel. De dikke as lagen/deeltjes die overal op kleefden, de zware dieselauto's die de hele tijd door de overdekte gedeeltes reden; één grote gifwolk. Alle managers van de luchthaven lopen als zelfingenomen halve goden door de luchthaven en weten alles precies uit het boekje. Echter, ik heb nooit iemand ook maar een woord over de gezondheid van hun medewerkers horen reppen.
Ook bij mijn NL werkgever leek er nooit te worden nagedacht over de luchtvervuiling waarin hun personeel aan het werk was. Bij opmerkingen van mijn kant over ongezonde werkomstandigheden werd ik door hoofd HR aangekeken alsof ze het in Keulen hoorde donderen. Collega's die het al 10-20 jaar deden leken er nooit bij stil gestaan te hebben.
Interesting to see such a difference in culture between the Danish and the Dutch in this documentary:
"No one should get sick from going to work" vs. growth at all costs and staying "the cheapest airport in europe"
Sadly yes.....we Dutch were always known for our "Enterprising culture" now see where it gets us....money, money, money.....
Schiphol has a full eletric ground fleet, Solar panels on it's roof uses wind electricty. So there doing more than other airports
The law requires the employer to eliminate, where reasonably practicable, the risk of exposure to hazardous chemical agents or, if it is not possible to eliminate them, to reduce the potential for exposure and so control that exposure in order to prevent harm or ill health to the workers or others affected by the work activity
Nice recap of the video
Our farmers have to close down their businesses due to nitrogen oxide emissions (which is straight up food for plants) yet they let this schandal going on
The nitrogen issue is a bit more nuanced than that
@@josephinedodde9316 please elaborate josephine
This should read "any airports toxic secret".
i was about to start as a groundworker weeks before covid hit and i got instantly fired..... I think it was for the better that i didnt get the job
school airport has a lot of problems. 4 hour wait for security this week, I almost feinted, they brought me a chair, medic and water.
Volgens mij is dit al een oudere video. Maar helaas nog altijd even relevant. Word tijd dat er eens flinke kamer vragen worden gesteld en dat Schiphol is tot veranderen word gedwongen. Het hele land denkt dat het door corona komt dat er nu gigantische rijen staan, maar de echte reden zijn gewoon de onveilige en onredelijke werkomstandigheden. Ik heb voor een beveiligingsbedrijf gewerkt op Schiphol die mij doodleuk gebroken shifts gaf (naar werk, naar huis, terug naar werk, en weer naar huis op 1 dag), veelte lange dagen, te weinig pauzes, en een slavenloontje. Maar gelukkig hebben Schiphol en KLM corona hulp gekregen van een paar miljoen!
Als het aan mij zou zijn zou Schiphol de Noordzee in verhuizen, worden minimumlonen verhoogd naar 14 euro, en bouwen we het dan oude Schiphol vol woningen.
All these fumes come unfiltered into the cabin, something that nobody wants to know about. You can smell it with every start-up when you fly.
Boel plat geen werk meer verrichten tot veilig is toch niet zo moeilijk dan geen verdiensten voor schiphol moet je kijken hoe hard ze gaan lopen kom voor je zelf op een ander doet t niet voor je gr
De koffers die opstapelde afgelopen vrijdag was echt insane.
In het Engels op TH-cam =) goed bezig Zembla!
You can easily confirm this by consulting ESA and their monitoring if air pollution via satellites program. A couple of tears ago it was confirmed that people in the area have their life span due to low quality air they are breathing
ik sta echt versteld! goed werk Zembla!!!
The problem with Schipol airport is not only air pollution, it's so dirty that there are mice and rats all over the terminal !!
If the staff is still choosing to work at Schiphol after seeing this documentary…
WAT staat er in de handleiding bij elke motor die GE / RollsRolyce leveren? Daar moet haast wel in te lezen zijn dat het volkomen veilig is allemaal...of niet veilig natuurlijk. Lijkt mij dat zo'n manual makkelijk op te zoeken is, en daarmee lijkt ook makkelijk te bewijzen dat elke maatschappij / luchthaven de feiten kent
FNV laat ook weer lekker zien dat ze niets uitvoeren. "Ja, wij houden schiphol nu aansprakelijk voor de onveilige werkomgeving op schiphol." Gaan jullie hier ook iets mee doen? Ah, daar gaan we het natuurlijk niet over hebben.
what is the answer of klm and the airport?
bad for those workers....
and Schiphol is 1 of the biggest pollution creators in the Netherlands, while government closes their eyes.... "money is more important." above 900 meter height those planes stop polluting.... on of the reason farmers have to shrink their footprint, while Schiphol and other BIG companies' do care.
lol like their action..... we have electric cars.... sounds almost like how they attack their farmers to handle CO2, while Schiphol, is one of the biggest polluter
hope they never ever may expand..because that would show government is more interested in money then health and climate change.
Hope one day they create a way to tax ALL not only the small persons, but specially they BIG ones that make lots of money that should also be invested into solving the problem.. now the money disappears into Brussel and Netherlands government..
Nobody is wearing any lung protective gear, so it's very obvious that they exposed their lungs to toxic fumes. One doesn't need to be a genie to be able to notice that.
either people start traveling in EUR by train only, or people will have to pay significantly more so the situation can improve..... or maybe fewer vacation....
Trains also create UFP by braking, speeding through stations and pantographs sliding under the catenary. This creates copper and iron dusts not good the lungs and in some instances sand dust too in case of not having a solid concrete foundation of the rails.
Ik ben nu arbeidsongeschikt ivm een COPD gelijkende kwaal ( aangeboren) Ik vraag mij nu af of ik na 43jaar bij een afhandelaar gewerkt te hebben , welliswaar in de loods en op slecht onderhouden kantoren , of mijn kwaal niet erger is gemaakt door het fijnstof gedoe.... vooralsnog nu geen nare ziekte onder de leden zover ik weet.... maar ben wel bang....
Ik zou zo’n fijnstof masker gaan dragen, is dat niet slim? De andere oplossingen klinken duur en de helft van veel is nog steeds veel. Zo’n masker blokkeert 99% van de fijnstof en kost praktisch niks op een ticket?
Misschien ademt het wat minder maar het klinkt de moeite waard!
Je gaat niet 8 uur lang met een masker lopen.
This would be a global problem for any airport with high volume flights. At Schiphol, staff are offered a fine particle face mask to wear to combat this. They can't force staff to wear it but the masks are there.
Agree. To focus on Schipol is denying a much bigger global problem.
@@chrispnw2547 Isn't it good to have a starting point ?
@@xlprop6687 Agreed but mentioned it because air travel is a global business with regulatory bodies already in-place. These regulatory bodies are already empowered to set standards applicable to all airports across the globe.
I guess you are right as the Netherlands could set a standard greater than a global standard.
@@chrispnw2547 I think the people who can make great possitive steps forward for health and the environment just won't due to the large and fast flow of cash generated by operating in this fashion. We can move forward if we don't cause a financial impact on the mighty few.
@@chrispnw2547 The Netherlands doesn't have to set a greater than global standard; just come up to the standard Copenhagen has already set.
What about all airports of the world, do they have the same problems as Schiphol airport? All major airports have the same problems with their pollution???The problem seems to be on all MAJOR world airports, actions should be taken !!!!!!!!
i was wondering the same. it cant just be schiphol. im glad there are airports like copenhagen who do have this sorted. but i think thats only a few..
Waarom is de nieuwe video age restricted ??
Het maximum gewicht per koffer halveren toch teveel helft eruit of niet mee kunnen er op zo’n in minst gasmaskers gebruikt worden. Sowieso staken
AVIATION FUEL SAFETY DATA SHEET
The safety data sheet (SDS) describes the hazards of substances by the manufacturer and makes recommendations for safe handling and use.
Jet A-1 is the most commonly used fuel for commercial aviation.
The hazards according to the manufacturer,
• Flammable liquid and vapour.
• May be fatal if swallowed and enters airways.
• Harmful if inhaled.
• Causes skin irritation.
• May cause drowsiness or dizziness.
• May cause damage to organs (Blood, Liver, thymus) through prolonged or repeated exposure.
• Suspected of causing cancer.
• Toxic to aquatic life with long lasting effects.
Prevention Measures
• Keep away from heat, hot surfaces, sparks, open flames and other ignition sources. No smoking.
• Do not breathe dust/ fume/ gas/ mist/ vapours/ spray.
• Avoid release to the environment.
• Wear protective gloves/ protective clothing/ eye protection/ face protection.
Symptoms and Effects
• Respiratory irritation signs and symptoms may include a temporary burning sensation of the nose and throat, coughing, and/or difficulty breathing. Breathing of high vapour concentrations may cause central nervous system (CNS) depression resulting in dizziness, light headedness, headache, nausea and loss of coordination. Continued inhalation may result in unconsciousness and death.
• Skin irritation signs and symptoms may include a burning sensation, redness, swelling, and/or blisters. Local necrosis is evidenced by delayed onset of pain and tissue damage a few hours following injection.
• Eye irritation signs and symptoms may include a burning sensation, redness, swelling, and/or blurred vision.
• If material enters lungs, signs and symptoms may include coughing, choking, wheezing, difficulty in breathing, chest congestion, shortness of breath, and/or fever.
Personal Protective Equipment
• Respiratory protection - Where airborne concentrations are at a level which are hazardous select respiratory protection equipment suitable for the specific conditions of use.
1) How is this different than any other airport on the globe? The aeronautics industry is built on a fuel burning foundation. The economy cannot operate without this network of planes flying 24/7. Where are the masks and protective gear they could wear when on the tarmac.
And yet Copenhagen managed!
But the war on nitrogen is on. Toxic fumes are neglected.
Should use electric tugs to get the plane all the way to the runway and start the engine there.
Especially on Shiphol some taxi routes take atliest 15 minuts. That's 15 minuts of both engines running using loads of fuel.
They already have trials with that but that isn't what they would like you to see/know in this documentaries. Like all documentaries, they are based on what the maker of the documentaries wants you to see. He or she had something to gain, sympathy.
@@fsobsessive7602 True, but i have been a few times visiting the KLM hangar, and the air was very bad and my clothes smelled so pretty sure it's an issue, but i agree that most documentaries are over dramatized.
@@fsobsessive7602 Why do you need trials when it has been proven to work in Copenhagen? Delay tactic.
@@petep.2092 I comment on complaints from employees, not on trails and if that has been proven or not
Ah wel let's not underestimate the given fact that cancer is one of the best self selling product in the Netherlands
If BMW fall for their emissions, KLM should too
Ik heb in een vliegtuig gezeten richting Montréal/Canada die 40 min na opstijgen,terug moest omdat er een ernstig technisch probleem met het vliegtuig gaande was.Niemand had wat door,er werd op dat moment nog niets gemeld door de piloot,totdat er een grote straal vloeistof uit de vleugel van het vliegtuig spoot.Ik zag het,en vroeg een steward wat dat was. De steward antwoordde dat het vliegtuig niet kon landen met een volle tank.
Dus vlogen we rondjes over de oceaan om de kerosine te droppen.Ik was verbijsterd,en gaf aan dat dat slecht was voor de natuur e.d
Waarop werd geantwoord door de steward dat het al verdampt zou zijn voordat het beneden was.
Ik heb dit altijd zeer sceptisch bekeken,nooit iets van geloofd. En....hoe vaak gebeurt dit dus wel niet??
caroline van der plas over de gezondheidsrisico's: "nou - dat staat helemaal niet 100% vast"
Het zou mooi zijn als die 20.000 man opstapt en nu de werkgelegenheid nog zo goed is ergens anders aan de bak gaat. Van mijn part doeken ze dat hele Schiphol op en blijft Lelystad gewoon een klein vliegveld. Dan maar een mindere economie, boeiend. Waarom altijd meer meer meer
Hier kan ik me ook wel in vinden het moet maar eens klaar zijn met dat meer meer meer
JIJ, mensen zoals JOU, schreeuwen vanaf de zijlijn. Vliegen is niet weg te denken in 2022. Dat JIJ niet verder hoeft te gaan dan je lokale bakker betekent niet dag je hier zulke bullshit moet verkopen!
Klinkt alsof ze allemaal gewoon met p3 filtermaskers moeten rondlopen wat je ook in de petrochemie moet gebruiken. Zo'n risico met passende PBM hadden ze tientallen jaren geleden al moeten bedenken
Kunnen jullie ze ook hellemaal nederlands maken?
???? never heard of respirators, they are very handy, I've used them for years.
Zijn we nu het enigste land wat steeds loopt te janken over Schiphol? Of is dit ook zo in andere landen met hun vliegvelden?
Mogen de mensen wel janken als dit probleem er ook is in het buitenland ?
@@LynnxMarley mensen moeten in dit land niet overal over lopen janken. Overal maar wat van vinden, Ikke ikke ikke
@@robo0860 Je vind er zelf toch ook iets van 😌
@@LynnxMarley jij ook toch 😌
@@desone9793 Waar vind ik wat van ? 🙃
De hypocrisie van Nederland, en de boeren worden kapot gemaakt
EXCELLENT 👍
It is you’re own risk to work on the platform right? You know this is going on when you apply….
Bizar dit……… 😡
ja heel triest dit
KLM uses their APU for conditioned air and optimum comfort for their passengers. whats wrong with that? Working at a airport is a choice, nobody is forcing them to do this job. its like smoking sigarettes and sueing the producer knowing its unhealthy,
People need a job
zie je wel de waarde volle dingen zijn in veel ogen waardeloos zoals het leven. maar de waardeloze dingen zoals tijd spullen en vooral geld wordt als waardevol gezien. geloof en weten zijn door elkaar gegooid en geen mens die daar aan denkt
niet janken, vliegtuigen zijn prachtig, vooral de oudere vliegtuigen die extra lawaai maken
Flying within the borders of Europe should be taxed orderly !!!
Only then the train becomes a worthy alternative .
That would be a starter 💪
For decades now.....
If you were unemployed ESPECIALLY longtime on benefits and lower level educated you were pushed in the direction of Schiphol....
The government and city of Amsterdam knows very well what’s wrong!
Wonder how is goes in the US
But isn't this also the work they choose? And isn't this happening at all airport worldwide???
Not at Copenhagen : )
@@petep.2092 how?
Nee .. is vliegen schadelijk dan ? .. maar hoe kom ik dan naar barcelona goedkoop en snel ?? .. niet mn vakantie afpakken hoor ... wat zijn we toch sneu met zn allen ... vliegen 3x zo duur en ontmoedigen
They forget about the new planes wich are more quite, lower fuelburn, lower emmisions. Also the ground handling at Schiphol became more than 80% electric. So the quality improves, but those turning engines at gates has to stop after 1 minute or less. That has to be a rule.
And also the biggest airline on Schiphol is KLM wich is the most eco friendly airline on the planet.... They have a pretty clean fleet
New Planes??
Can u give me
names of this
planes? Thnx! :)
@@rubenverheij4770 Planes like 787's, a350's, a220's and 737 MAX's
@@samboudarboe1776 Thanks! :)
@@samboudarboe1776 and Ruben also 748 (has 787 engines), E2 family, 330neo and later on 777X
Iedereen pleitte laat die schoften zelf daar die zooi uitladen
Anyone involved in an airport here? would you try my rc taxi towing unit? also the motorised wheels do not seeem tto stupid.
Is dit stikstof?
How did I not know this?!
Vliegtuigen slepen, mondkapjes op het veld, gasmasker naast een vliegtuig... Daar kunnen we beginnen.
Heftig, mijn vader heeft nu net voor zijn pensioen ook kanker gekregen en werkt ruim 30 jaar op Schiphol…
heftig hopelijk komt alles goed
En dan klaagt de overheid over de boeren.
Denemarken 👍🏾
Heb jij 'n blank hoofd
met bruine handen??
En belachelijk dat er zo onder betaalt word, corrupt dat het is.
Dat komt omdat de politiek en overheid corrupt is. Wie is er niet corrupt in dit land?
@@lucis3452 daar heb jij een valide punt
I bet Zembla staff never travel by plane from Schiphol. I haven't for more than a decade. Doesn't me make as holy as them because they never flew from there.
21:47 ... I totaly agree! Insain low pirce of tickets.
Like a hype: we will/must/shall have a vacaction far away! Well I can tell you that a vacation in own country, will be fine!
Geld verdienen is nu eenmaal belangrijker dan veiligheid!!!! Luchtvaart, Scheepvaart.... overal is dit zo!!!
Daarom is het nu chaos op Schiphol, wie wil dat werk na deze docu nog doen? Daar kan geen geld tegenop. Hoop dat er nog meer gaan stoppen zodat dat vliegen eens op gaat houden.
Ze verdienen gewoon geen reet. Doe maar 2K per maand netto, dan zitten ze zo weer vol.
Ongelooflijk dat dit kan in NL
are there some kind of masks that could help? at work when i glue PVC pipes together im required to wear a mask with some filters on it. Maybe something along those lines could help some.
Of course there are. A blower mask (PAPR) like is used in asbestos work would prevent all these issues.
Schiphol moet inkrimpen en naar Kopenhagen kijken. Tickets duurder, minder overstappers, het is niet zo moeilijk als je de graaiers buiten beschouwing laat
Kopenhagen is geen hun, dat is het grote verschil. Kun je dus niet vergelijken.
@@maartenj.vermeulen900 dat slaat echt nergens op, niemand is hetzelfde maar dat betekent niet dat je voorbeeld aan iemand anders kan nemen
@@maartenj.vermeulen900 Nee, maar waarom is Schiphol wel een hub (een van de grootste ter wereld?) Het heeft alles te maken met geld en subsidies. Als land op zich zijn we zo'n grote luchthaven helemaal niet nodig. Overstappen duurder maken om geld te genereren voor een betere bescherming (en betaling!) van grondpersoneel.
Dan gaan we meer belasting betalen in het dagelijks leven. Schiphol levert meer als 20 miljard op.
Wordt het niet tijd voor een rechtszaak om een schadevergoeding af te dwingen? Er is toch langzamerhand genoeg bewijsmateriaal?
Waarom geen robots die de ongezonde taak overnemen.
Gaat (uiteindelijk)
ook wel gebeuren.
Is stuk goedkoper,
en... klagen nooit!!