One of my best friends' sister (Carola Hanson-Ronson) married Mick Ronson and I met him on 2 occasions, as an amateur musician I played one of my songs when he tried to give my friend's sister Carola assistance in producing and promoting her and their co-written songs. Mick was such a down-to-earth guy and humble and patient. I was drunk one time in London during Carola Hanson-Ronson's record release and tried to make Mick introduce me to Paul McCartney but it failed and was very embarrassing for me to push him for. I only saw Paul at a distance when he left the studio.
i ve heard just about a mug full of bad stuff n bad people in the hall of fame, and Hoople /Hunter are rock n roll enough that i dont care that they arent in there .their bad enough that they can be o n the outside n their legend will still sustain . they dont need to be in a museum with pop n rap people .
As a teenager I had Mott playing constantly. Mad Shadows, Brain Capers, Rock and Roll Queen. I still have them all. A couple are framed in my man cave now. Old records never die.
Went to the Cleveland Show from North Tonawanda, NY (near Niagara Falls). It was an amazing and emotional show for my brother and I. We saw Ian back in 1979 twice and also a number of times in the last 10 years with The Rant Band. Listening to I Wish I was Your Mother, Walking With a Mountain, Honaloochie Boogie, Roll Away The Stone, Golden Age of Rock and Roll, All The Way From Memphis, the excellent Medley starting with Jerkin Crockus, One of The Boys, Rock and Roll Queen, Crash Street Kids, Death May Be Your Santa Claus, Violence and more was great. As a kid listening to Mott, The Hoople, All The Young Dudes and then buying the earlier albums in 1974 as a 14 year old and then to hear these songs live was a special night for us. Ian Hunter and Mott The Hoople deserve to be in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. Heck Ian's piano is at the Rock Hall right now. The one he wrote Cleveland Rocks on. Time to induct Ian Hunter and Mott The Hoople. Do the right thing!!!!
Unnoticed???? They sold out nearly every show on their brief April tour including the NYC Beacon Theatre where fans were standing the entire show screaming like teenagers and Ian was moving around the stage like he was 40 instead of 80. Clearly, Ian Hunter got super excited playing music with Ariel Bender and Morgan Fisher as "Mott The Hoople '74."
My first three LP record purchases when I was 17 yrs old were Mott the Hoople, Alice Cooper and TRex the Slider. Detroit radio stations played some excellent rock music on the airwaves back then. FM rock radio is pathetic today here in LA.
Diary of a Rock n Roll Star is arguably, or undeniably the Best book on the subject ever written. I first read it when it was initially published and its a book i go back to quite often. Read before you die.
Ian Hunter playing at rock and roll hall of fame with Def Leppard, this mini US tour, and Uk tour is giving Mott more exposure, which I think is a precursor to their finally getting in the hall of fame. Long overdue. Mott the Hoople Live passes any litmus test for what is pure rock and roll in its truest sense.
I often think to myself I need to catch up with Ian, he was my most formative vocalist/lyricist next to Dylan. So happy that I stumbled upon this post, can't believe he will be back in the USA.
Been wanting to know more about Mott the Hoople. Found this tonight. Oh happy me. EDIT: Yep, I'm back, 7-6-2022...so delightful hearing Ian Hunter speak about Freddie Mercury , how great Queen was with them on the road in the 70's and about the BohRap movie - first third wimpish. The best today was hearing him recall those days on the road ...'Fred was Fred 'wonderful', chuckled, said, not like he was in the movie. "Love you, Mr. Hunter" Yesterday my very own CD 'All-American Alien Boy' came from Amazon. Now gotta get the lyrics! I will!
You have such a profound impact on my career that even the biggest thank you text would fall shout to express my gratitude. Thanks for your support and the love shown stay safe ❤️❤️❤️
I just saw this concert at The Chicago Theater. They were AMAZING! Great voices, phenomenal guitar playing and the drummer was unbelievable. Don't miss this reunion tour!!
I was at that same Chicago Theater Concert. I even snuck down to an empty seat in the 8th row about halfway through the concert. Ian and his entire band hit all the notes that night!
Credit to Ian for getting through this so graciously. She never put him at ease and her awful interview style came across like a trainee researcher with a crib sheet. The questions never flowed or connected with the answers and there was little follow-up to Ian's replies. He could almost have said anything in response and she'd have carried on. He was even sat like a fairground coconut while she threw things at him. I'll bet the other guys were glad they missed this one. Sit him down with Alice next time to talk about the old days.
She wasn't that bad. She could have been a bit more casual in her delivery, though. She touched on the the Bowie and Queen connections but at least she didn't hammer it to death. We've heard the same old stories ad nauseam and don't need to go there again. Hunter didn't pal around with Bowie or Mercury. I think many fans and interviewers alike are surprised when they learn (not from this interview, however) that Hunter's last meeting with Bowie occurred in 1976. She was more informed than many interviewers who simply look at the list of well-known Mott/Hunter songs, the "David Bowie-to-the-rescue" episode and the Queen tour. For a 30 minute interview I was entertained. Thank goodness "All the Young Dudes" wasn't even mentioned. You know Hunter has been asked the same old questions 1000's of times. She at least attempted to take the interview in new directions.
@@edwardshirley9314 you're right. I viewed an interview recently whereby Hunter revealed that the last time they met or spoke was in NYC shortly after the release of Bowie's "Station to Station." Regardless, it's apparent that the 2 were cut from different cloths and didn't spend time together.
!974 front row seats at Music Hall, Cincinnati with Aerosmith opening up. Joints were passed down the row all night long. One of the greatest shows I've been to!!!
Wow! Ian’s such a hero to me and I’m so happy to say I’ve seen him live many times and was lucky enough to meet him too. Mott the Hoople are probably my favorite band of all time, and there albums are fantastic, and the MOTT LIVE album, to me, is one of my favorite albums ever! I so wish I could have seen Mott the Hoople in the 70’s, but time marches on and I’ll always have the memories and albums to enjoy for the rest of my life. Thank you Ian & MTH!! 👍🏼
Dear Mr. H, I have made it to 3:36 seconds and i have to stop and take a break...thanks for being gracious enough to put up with stupid questions... for me its about the music, thanks for keepin on keepin on Mr.H, I really like that jacket, and when I revisit this painful interview I hope one of these questions will reveal something about that, i'd be willing to bet that it's being worn out of respect for some one in the service, anyway, some things really do get better with age, as Mr. H is walkin proof, thanks for stickin around so some of us can bask in our former glory days of youth, that never dies with a song in your heart, and a house full of grandchildren.
Guys like Ian Hunter are as rare as truth from a government official and that’s rare, he made it out of the 70s relatively unscathed, I find him a frank tell it like it is sort of bloke but without being rude or like “well what do you want me to say” kind of kick, when you look at and listen to Ian Hunter he is like a moving shifting canvas of his life’s experience with him vs the rest and Mott the hoople…..also I have to say the song he wrote about his mate THE LATE GREAT MICK RONSON…..always and I mean always makes me cry because you can hear his pain his anger his frustration and his sense of loss in his lyrics it is a perfectly beautiful goodbye song…IAN HUNTER MATE YOU ARE FIRST CLASS and I admire your abilities as a musician/singer/songwriter and human being god bless and may you continue to be a breath of fresh air in the world of making music.
brian may has said on record that Queen owe mott a lot as mott showed them how to put a show together and be a live band, mott were huge in the early 70's and wrote great music 👑✊🏼🇬🇧
love the interview, could you adjust the balance volume of the interviewer equal to Ian, because you blast and it is shattering... nice questions but your voice is just BOOM!
Felt lucky to see Queen on their very first US tour opening from Mott the Hoople! Then got to see Ian Hunter solo with Mick Ronson! To my most favorite shows I ever saw here in Kansas City! I've always loved Ian Hunter and when he was with Mick Ronson I thought he was a fantastic guitar player to be with
saw Ian Hunter & The Rant Band twice at Filmore West San Francisco! fabulous live band James Mastro is a guitarist for Rant Band also. Ian is a True rock star
In the 70's,my hi school yrs, Mott the Hoople were/was the epitome of " body boppin, ear-schplittn, fuckin-A rock n roll!".. " I'd like to introduce to you to A..R..I..E..L..... BENDER" "Walking With a Mountain"
I saw them at the tower theater in 1975. And if they opened for Alice Cooper in 1974 I must’ve seen them twice because I saw Alice Cooper at the spectrum in 1974.
Steve Jones (Ex Sex Pistol), here in LA is the only radio DJ in America who will play great music such as Ian Hunter, Mott the Hoople , Mick Ronson, Alice Cooper, Velvet Underground, and much more excellent rock.
It looks like he’s being interrogated - surprised there isn’t a spotlight in his face and a black background. Where are Morgan and Luther? it’s great anyone is exposing Ian/Mott, but....
Really the "song writer situation" in Rock Bands..it's just not fair to the other guys going through a lot of the same struggle. I can understand the major Royalty going to the main songwriter who's sitting away working while everyone else are not..but some contributor royalties should really go to the guys who made the record "better by some contribution to the recording..or in the arranging..." Which usually is the case. On early Black Sabbath records I'd see songs written all credited to "Black Sabbath"..Anyway..Roll away the stone..
I was curious about this band and bought an anthology many years ago.I have to say that All The Young Dudes was one of my least favorite songs off the entire 2 discs.Never got into that song.Kinda boring.Honaloochie Boogie is great though.
I am ashamed of my city that Ian Hunter is not in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. And for that matter, neither is Johnny Rivers, Joe Cocker or J. Giles.
Ian Hunter is my all time favorite rock star… so amazing and it is criminal that he and Mott are not in the R&R Hall of Fame.
Yes! You are so right! It’s ridiculous there not in it, although I’ve got a feeling Ian could care less?!
One of my best friends' sister (Carola Hanson-Ronson) married Mick Ronson and I met him on 2 occasions, as an amateur musician I played one of my songs when he tried to give my friend's sister Carola assistance in producing and promoting her and their co-written songs. Mick was such a down-to-earth guy and humble and patient. I was drunk one time in London during Carola Hanson-Ronson's record release and tried to make Mick introduce me to Paul McCartney but it failed and was very embarrassing for me to push him for. I only saw Paul at a distance when he left the studio.
@@strikerorwell9232 what amazing memories! 😊
i ve heard just about a mug full of bad stuff n bad people in the hall of fame, and Hoople /Hunter are rock n roll enough that i dont care that they arent in there .their bad enough that they can be o n the outside n their legend will still sustain . they dont need to be in a museum with pop n rap people .
Them , and BOC.
*Ian Hunter / Mott the Hoople NEED to be in the Hall of Fame!!!*
As a teenager I had Mott playing constantly. Mad Shadows, Brain Capers, Rock and Roll Queen. I still have them all. A couple are framed in my man cave now. Old records never die.
That's what we like to read ! 'You are one of us' Bill
Ian Hunter for Rock & Roll.Hall of Fame!
Easily THE most underrated band of all time
No, Grand Funk is. IMO.
Went to the Cleveland Show from North Tonawanda, NY (near Niagara Falls). It was an amazing and emotional show for my brother and I. We saw Ian back in 1979 twice and also a number of times in the last 10 years with The Rant Band. Listening to I Wish I was Your Mother, Walking With a Mountain, Honaloochie Boogie, Roll Away The Stone, Golden Age of Rock and Roll, All The Way From Memphis, the excellent Medley starting with Jerkin Crockus, One of The Boys, Rock and Roll Queen, Crash Street Kids, Death May Be Your Santa Claus, Violence and more was great. As a kid listening to Mott, The Hoople, All The Young Dudes and then buying the earlier albums in 1974 as a 14 year old and then to hear these songs live was a special night for us. Ian Hunter and Mott The Hoople deserve to be in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. Heck Ian's piano is at the Rock Hall right now. The one he wrote Cleveland Rocks on. Time to induct Ian Hunter and Mott The Hoople. Do the right thing!!!!
Ian’s voice is amazing on this Tour.
I thank the good Lord for letting me be around during the 70s. It was the best of times.
The 60s were even better! And, of course, the 60s led the way for the 70s.
Good to see Mott the Hoople isn't going completely unoticed.
Unnoticed???? They sold out nearly every show on their brief April tour including the NYC Beacon Theatre where fans were standing the entire show screaming like teenagers and Ian was moving around the stage like he was 40 instead of 80. Clearly, Ian Hunter got super excited playing music with Ariel Bender and Morgan Fisher as "Mott The Hoople '74."
Love them.
One of my all time favorite artists. ❤
My first three LP record purchases when I was 17 yrs old were Mott the Hoople, Alice Cooper and TRex the Slider. Detroit radio stations played some excellent rock music on the airwaves back then. FM rock radio is pathetic today here in LA.
Sucks here in NYC also, probably everywhere, too now a days. At least in the U.S. anyways. But probably all over the world, too
Ian Hunter absolute legend 😎
Diary of a Rock n Roll Star is arguably, or undeniably the Best book on the subject ever written. I first read it when it was initially published and its a book i go back to quite often. Read before you die.
Saw Mott with Queen backing at the Caley Cinema in Edinburgh in 1973. 80p for a ticket in the gods. Absolutely fantastic. Been a fan ever since.
Ian Hunter and Mick Ronson live at the Roxy in LA, 1978. Great show!
Ian Hunter playing at rock and roll hall of fame with Def Leppard, this mini US tour, and Uk tour is giving Mott more exposure, which I think is a precursor to their finally getting in the hall of fame. Long overdue. Mott the Hoople Live passes any litmus test for what is pure rock and roll in its truest sense.
Ian Hunter is fucking 80!! What an inspiration.
I often think to myself I need to catch up with Ian, he was my most formative vocalist/lyricist next to Dylan. So happy that I stumbled upon this post, can't believe he will be back in the USA.
You missed it :-)
He is right about his voice now. It sounds fantastic!! 👍🏻
Been wanting to know more about Mott the Hoople. Found this tonight. Oh happy me. EDIT: Yep, I'm back, 7-6-2022...so delightful hearing Ian Hunter speak about Freddie Mercury , how great Queen was with them on the road in the 70's and about the BohRap movie - first third wimpish. The best today was hearing him recall those days on the road ...'Fred was Fred 'wonderful', chuckled, said, not like he was in the movie. "Love you, Mr. Hunter" Yesterday my very own CD 'All-American Alien Boy' came from Amazon. Now gotta get the lyrics! I will!
You have such a profound impact on my career that even the biggest thank you text would fall shout to express my gratitude. Thanks for your support and the love shown stay safe ❤️❤️❤️
Ian has lived in the US for decades but still has a strong Shropshire accent.
Ian was always one of my favourites in early 70s you couldn’t duplicate the way he wrote songs and sang them with Mott.
I just saw this concert at The Chicago Theater. They were AMAZING! Great voices, phenomenal guitar playing and the drummer was unbelievable. Don't miss this reunion tour!!
I was at that same Chicago Theater Concert. I even snuck down to an empty seat in the 8th row about halfway through the concert. Ian and his entire band hit all the notes that night!
Hard to believe he is 79!
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What? He’s that old? Yikes!
I am so sad I have never mustered up the money and time off from work to go see him: my musical hero.
Credit to Ian for getting through this so graciously. She never put him at ease and her awful interview style came across like a trainee researcher with a crib sheet. The questions never flowed or connected with the answers and there was little follow-up to Ian's replies. He could almost have said anything in response and she'd have carried on. He was even sat like a fairground coconut while she threw things at him. I'll bet the other guys were glad they missed this one. Sit him down with Alice next time to talk about the old days.
Couldn’t agree more.So well stated. Horrible interviewer.
I agree, she's just awful.
She wasn't that bad. She could have been a bit more casual in her delivery, though. She touched on the the Bowie and Queen connections but at least she didn't hammer it to death. We've heard the same old stories ad nauseam and don't need to go there again. Hunter didn't pal around with Bowie or Mercury. I think many fans and interviewers alike are surprised when they learn (not from this interview, however) that Hunter's last meeting with Bowie occurred in 1976. She was more informed than many interviewers who simply look at the list of well-known Mott/Hunter songs, the "David Bowie-to-the-rescue" episode and the Queen tour. For a 30 minute interview I was entertained. Thank goodness "All the Young Dudes" wasn't even mentioned. You know Hunter has been asked the same old questions 1000's of times. She at least attempted to take the interview in new directions.
@@davidsleger6476 Hunter worked with Bowie on the Freddie Mercury memorial concert in 1992.
@@edwardshirley9314 you're right. I viewed an interview recently whereby Hunter revealed that the last time they met or spoke was in NYC shortly after the release of Bowie's "Station to Station." Regardless, it's apparent that the 2 were cut from different cloths and didn't spend time together.
Had all the Mott albums. My 1st concert was Ian Hunter/ Mick Ronson band at the Uptown in Milwaukee
Terrible interviewer, but it’s great to hear Ian Hunter is still playing today.
What a great honest man.
I really felt like this interview helped me understand this rock and roll hero better. I'd love to see him in concert today...
I have a story about working with Mr. Hunter if anyone is interested. Probably not, but I WILL say this: Mr. Hunter should be known as Sir Ian.
garcemac Hi! I would love to hear your story of working with Sir Ian!! Thank you! 😊
We want to hear the story!
I would love to hear the story!
How do you keep a fan in suspense ?
Garcemac
You're scaring me!!
who else thumbed up this video before even hearing it?
Me. I love Ian and MTH.
yep.
!974 front row seats at Music Hall, Cincinnati with Aerosmith opening up. Joints were passed down the row all night long. One of the greatest shows I've been to!!!
Wow! Ian’s such a hero to me and I’m so happy to say I’ve seen him live many times and was lucky enough to meet him too. Mott the Hoople are probably my favorite band of all time, and there albums are fantastic, and the MOTT LIVE album, to me, is one of my favorite albums ever! I so wish I could have seen Mott the Hoople in the 70’s, but time marches on and I’ll always have the memories and albums to enjoy for the rest of my life. Thank you Ian & MTH!! 👍🏼
i watched 4 shows on here of that tour .it was inspiring to see these grandads so effortlessly ,efficiently rock out , it was killa .
I Know age is not that relevant but "Unta"is 80 in a couple of months-effortlessly cool and smart as a whip-he give's me hope
Dear Mr. H, I have made it to 3:36 seconds and i have to stop and take a break...thanks for being gracious enough to put up with stupid questions... for me its about the music, thanks for keepin on keepin on Mr.H, I really like that jacket, and when I revisit this painful interview I hope one of these questions will reveal something about that, i'd be willing to bet that it's being worn out of respect for some one in the service, anyway, some things really do get better with age, as Mr. H is walkin proof, thanks for stickin around so some of us can bask in our former glory days of youth, that never dies with a song in your heart, and a house full of grandchildren.
‘Unter epitomises Rock and Roll.
ian hunter....happy birthday to you....loved you for years!!...born 3rd june 1939!
Saw Mott once only, in Los Angeles on a bill with Joe Walsh during the "Smoker You Get" album tour. Blessed.
Guys like Ian Hunter are as rare as truth from a government official and that’s rare, he made it out of the 70s relatively unscathed, I find him a frank tell it like it is sort of bloke but without being rude or like “well what do you want me to say” kind of kick, when you look at and listen to Ian Hunter he is like a moving shifting canvas of his life’s experience with him vs the rest and Mott the hoople…..also I have to say the song he wrote about his mate THE LATE GREAT MICK RONSON…..always and I mean always makes me cry because you can hear his pain his anger his frustration and his sense of loss in his lyrics it is a perfectly beautiful goodbye song…IAN HUNTER MATE YOU ARE FIRST CLASS and I admire your abilities as a musician/singer/songwriter and human being god bless and may you continue to be a breath of fresh air in the world of making music.
Met Lemmy a few times. Ian and he are/were the most down to earth guys in the business.
Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. Janet Jackson? No Mott the Hoople? BS
Examples like that... why it really doesn't mean anything to be in it.
I got into mott the hoople & Ian Hunter stuff through Joe Elliot when me & my bf went to see the down n outz in Wolverhampton
I'd love to see them.
The greates. IAN HUNTER..🎸.
Whichtwo dingbats gave a 👎, he’s a saint 😎
Not sure about the saint part, though definitely a living legend.
Motts still alive! Wow!
The NERVE .....
I wanna get out
brian may has said on record that Queen owe mott a lot as mott showed them how to put a show together and be a live band, mott were huge in the early 70's and wrote great music 👑✊🏼🇬🇧
love the interview, could you adjust the balance volume of the interviewer equal to Ian, because you blast and it is shattering... nice questions but your voice is just BOOM!
Ian Hunter and Tommy Chong are the coolest fucking 80-year-olds in the world!
Felt lucky to see Queen on their very first US tour opening from Mott the Hoople! Then got to see Ian Hunter solo with Mick Ronson! To my most favorite shows I ever saw here in Kansas City! I've always loved Ian Hunter and when he was with Mick Ronson I thought he was a fantastic guitar player to be with
saw Ian Hunter & The Rant Band twice at Filmore West San Francisco! fabulous live band James Mastro is a guitarist for Rant Band also. Ian is a True rock star
Rock n Roll keeps you young
Yeah he's as cool as he seems.
In the 70's,my hi school yrs,
Mott the Hoople were/was the epitome of " body boppin, ear-schplittn,
fuckin-A rock n roll!"..
" I'd like to introduce to you to
A..R..I..E..L..... BENDER"
"Walking With a Mountain"
Saw the show at the Keswick Theater in Glenside, PA. Amazing.
I saw Ian play in Anaheim californiA in 2006 I liked it alot.
Death of a Nation, off Rant, is one of his best late career songs, that and Michael Picasso, about Mick Ronson.
The song Dandy is about David Bowie and it's beautiful.
Amazing Ian!!!!!
Mr Hunter is the Gov'ner.
Bill Nighy as Ian Hunter - that would be fab.
I saw them at the tower theater in 1975. And if they opened for Alice Cooper in 1974 I must’ve seen them twice because I saw Alice Cooper at the spectrum in 1974.
I got to see them at The Beacon Theatre. Spectacular.
I just got Mick Ronson " Turn and Face the Strange- The Mick Ronson Story" 2023 release
Ian Hunter is one of my all time favourite singers. You're Never Alone with a Schizophrenic album is always very close by.
JOHNNY Depp RANG ME UP - J D is so cool ! - love both Ian & J D !
Voice...simmered excellently gripping Bill Nighey ..ahhh excellent!!! find him..Talk to him!!
Holy S#it ! Awesome!
Steve Jones (Ex Sex Pistol), here in LA is the only radio DJ in America who will play great music such as Ian Hunter, Mott the Hoople , Mick Ronson, Alice Cooper, Velvet Underground, and much more excellent rock.
RONSON
happy birthday ian..3rd june
AC is a shadow, now. Hunter knows this.
I don't think Ian Hunter's voice IS limited. He's too modest! Untutored, yes - limited, no.
All the young dudes
Love how Ian Hunter here is a dead ringer for radio personality Don Imus.
I think that interviewer made Ian Hunter feel like he was being interrogated!! not interviewed!,
Was just going to say that. Ian was gracious . But that lady is horrible at interviewing.
Looking back, not so much. Ian is in the now.
Why is this man not Sir Ian Hunter?
It looks like he’s being interrogated - surprised there isn’t a spotlight in his face and a black background. Where are Morgan and Luther? it’s great anyone is exposing Ian/Mott, but....
Ian hunter Nuff said.
@Goosecore Yeah, I think so too...
There is no such thing as a BAD Ian Hunter song.
Keep on Burning
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I think Mott should do a show with Queen (and Adam Lambert) for old time sake!
Really the "song writer situation" in Rock Bands..it's just not fair to the other guys going through a lot of the same struggle. I can understand the major Royalty going to the main songwriter who's sitting away working while everyone else are not..but some contributor royalties should really go to the guys who made the record "better by some contribution to the recording..or in the arranging..." Which usually is the case. On early Black Sabbath records I'd see songs written all credited to "Black Sabbath"..Anyway..Roll away the stone..
Very god vidio
Jesus, this interviewer is terrible. Ugh. So obnoxious. Ian, great as always.
I was curious about this band and bought an anthology many years ago.I have to say that All The Young Dudes was one of my least favorite songs off the entire 2 discs.Never got into that song.Kinda boring.Honaloochie Boogie is great though.
Theinterviewer seemed somewhat cold or just not engaging.
Looks and sounds like a blond Macca
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I am ashamed of my city that Ian Hunter is not in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. And for that matter, neither is Johnny Rivers, Joe Cocker or J. Giles.
Got into Mott back in '75. Learned my first song on guitar in 76, "One Of The Boys".
I will always be thankfull to moot for intruducing queen to the states
Now if I could get everyone to New Zealand for a gig ... heaven
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Bill Nye Jackson 987 hand? Punch?