I'm glad u covered it....I actually looked for u guys 1st thing when I got off work, to see your coverage of it. It wasn't up yet so I was disappointed at 1st. It does really suck for us Illini fans, not took take anything away from the victim. Disappointing and tragic. Prayers go out to all involved.
Feel like really all that can be done now is to wait for all the facts to come out and hope justice is served, whether that is charges dropped, found guilty, or proven innocent.
you know and I myself have to keep remindeing, a person is innocent UNTIL proven guilty. It is too bad that our society has taken the opposite approach in that people want you to be guilty right out of the gate until proven innocent, Lets remember this moving forward .....
America is 🤡 World, So If I wanted a player removed all I have to do is pay a Woman to make allegations and he will be suspended, If the School don’t suspend a possibly innocent player they will get bashed or possibly sued, Men have made themselves powerless.
I truly hope that this kid is not guilty of this type thing, because his life will have been destroyed. No NBA team will draft him; his hard work will be without benefit. In our world, celebrities and athletes are often targets. We do not know if alcohol was involved, which would complicate in even more, because a “yes” is not a consent if she was intoxicated. As a graduate from Texas Tech School of Law & born & raised in the greater St. Louis area of Illinois, I will be saddened. Surely the prosecution believes it has a good case, or they should have waited to file. There is not a Statute of limitations problem, but they have had a lot of time for police investigation, as well as prosecution review. Unfortunately, there is no win here. He has already been damaged. Without playing, he has no chance at player of the Year or a high draft pick. If it is true, life will be forever changed.
Fair coverage and warranted. This is big news and I expect the sources I lean on for Illinois coverage to address it. May the courts find the truth, whatever that may be. So sad, that a lifetime of work can be negated so quickly. Let's hope Illinois staff made the right decisions with whatever information they had along the way.
TSJ will probably beat the case. The fact is that it took them almost 4 months to charge him meaning its not an open and shut case. All the evidence they have is that TSJ's DNA was found in the plaintiff. It is a he said vs she said. Proving beyond a reasonable doubt would be really hard
Unfortunately for Shannon, probably not. The truth is that it often takes months or longer to build a case that makes prosecutors confident enough to proceed. Also, what you say on the DNA evidence doesn't make any sense if Shannon denied, even temporarily, sexual contact with her to investigators. Instead, that would make it look like he didn't have consent. Also, DNA isn't the only evidence that Shannon has to worry about. There could be evidence of bruising or other injuries that suggests the alleged rape was done in a manner consist with her allegation. (I don't claim to know the details of her complaint here; I'm just saying it is possible.) In the end, it might not be a he-said vs. she-said in that way. We'll know in 2024 when this case gets presented in Douglas County courtroom.
@@carlw6247what’s been said was inappropriate touching?? Didn’t know that was rape? Also happened at a bar and you would think if a girl is yelling stop or someone help he would be jumped at the bar. Something isn’t adding up at all
Until he is convicted, he should play. Now, if he is convicted a rapist, put him under the jail. But if this is a two folks got drunk and now one regrets it….
Remember the name Valdez. You need to Look at the Lawerence Newspaper, Nothing about Shannon. but lots about Valdez who is in court about being removed as DA of Douglas county. Do your Homework !
I don’t think police would have investigated for 4 months beforehand if there was nothing there mate. Obviously gotta wait for things to play out, but you can’t just assume it’s a false accusation when they’re exceedingly rare
This is definitely the end of his college basketball career...and if found innocent...it is a tragedy beyond belief...he should be playing and have the same rights and freedoms until proven guilty by a jury of his peers...do we have a constitution or not?
With all of the "metoo" stuff, it has become almost fashionable to make these accusations. But as bad as this is, if true, there are plenty of cases of false accusations too. Sadly there may be "innocent until proven guilty" in the courts but not always the case when it comes to being lynched in public opinion.
Sure, in a legal sense he’s innocent until proven guilty. The university isn’t taking away his constitutional rights to … play basketball for them? They have their policies, and their own ass to cover. Just got to let it play out at this point.
It's going to be too late to play it out at this point. As if he even ends up being innocent, she has ended his NCAA career, which is sad. The rumors r that she was into him, & some touching going on, but the gal thought he was a Kansas athlete, not Illinois, & then later decided it was not OK. Hmm. This girl may have actually had a similar instance b4, & even Bill Self is trying to help Shannon out. trying
I really appreciate your guys' great coverage of all things Illinois basketball, including this situation. I think you've navigated this topic very well. With respect to why Illinois has made TSJ the face of the program thus far this season, I think what it comes down to is that they followed the policy; specifically, until he was charged, he was a part of the team. But, him being one of the best players in the country put them in a really awkward situation because if they didn't hype him up, people would eventually notice and start raising questions. Look at it from the program's POV as the season was getting started. Imagine a scenario where TSJ is playing the way he's playing, but the program basically ignores that fact, people start asking questions, and word finally leaks out. Then, because they didn't know how it would play out, imagine the case is dropped, but the allegations are still out there because Illinois was treating him like a pariah. Unless we find out that the DIA knew much much more about where the investigation would ultimately go, I think they did the right thing, regardless of how it looks in retrospect. And even then, if the policy says that they allow the police investigation to run its course before making any decisions, then I have a hard time faulting them for following the policy.
Yeah I mostly agree. I don’t think it’s fair to point fingers at the university just yet. There’s still so much we don’t know, but it sounds like they tried to get info from the authorities in Lawrence but were given basically nothing. To suspend a player on that basis doesn’t make sense. The moment charges were brought, he was immediately suspended. Hopefully as things play out we‘ll get more info on what the university knew, what Shannon told them, and what actually happened.
Right, but you didn't mention the LPD investigation, which requires probable cause and normally involves a recommendation to prosecutors. You also didn't mention the Douglas County Circuit Court which issued the arrest warrant when a judge on that court felt there was sufficient evidence for it. So, in that sense, there are three organizations (police, prosecutors, and a court) that normally concur and work together before an arrest warrant is issued, which in this case is what triggered Shannon's arrest. That doesn't mean he is guilty of these charges, but it is also not the work of a single states attorney.
Whether he is found guilty or not to having done this to young lady is irrevelant for basketball season. This will not be resolved until well after season, so his career at Illinois is over. For his sake I hope this isnt true. If it is then he is a POS and im shocked because he seems like a wonderful person.
His college career almost certainly is. If he’s exonerated, I hope he can salvage an NBA career, but it will be a tough road forward for him, no doubt.
Allegedly, this incident occurred at a bar after the Illinois-Kansas football game. I have heard rumors that there was a "fingering" situation and that it was "consensual" but perhaps at some point, the alleged victim changed her mindset on whether it was actually "consensual" or not. So, it seems to be a complicated he said-she said situation. Not sure on anything more than that but a very tough situation all around for everyone involved. This is very opposite of the character we've seen from TSJ so I think it is hard for many of us to think that he "raped" someone but we can't rush to judgement in either case
You might want to wait and hear from the victim or prosecutors speaking on her behalf. Think about it this way. Had she told police and prosecutors that she gave consent, then it would have been very difficult for them to proceed with the police investigation / criminal prosecution. Therefore, she likely never granted consent. In other words, you are citing rumors from the internet that likely don't agree with what the alleged victim told police / prosecutors. But if you want more facts from the prosecution, you'll have to follow what is presented in that Douglas County court in 2024.
@@carlw6247 You might want to re-think who the "victim" is because you don't know who the "victim" is in this case. The victim could be the woman or it could be TSJ. You may want to wait before you jump to conclusions
You did the right think to do a VID on this ... And I'm going to bite my tongue rather than comment on another B10 program north of Champaign that HAS NOT always been committed to a zero-tolerance policy.
Remember this happened to Rasheed Sulaimon at Duke in 2015 and he was dismissed from the team and stain remained on his name even though he was innocent.
Guys, an Alabama player DID NOT murder anyone. Darius Miles gun was used by Davis, Davis was the shooter who struck Harris (the victim.) Davis was not on the team nor associated with the University of Alabama in any way, wasn’t even a student. Davis is a childhood friend of Miles who was visiting Tuscaloosa.
The University of Illinois has its own police department, but they are an entirely separate entity from the Basketball program. As a legitimate law enforcement agency the would not be sharing information about an ongoing investigation to the basketball program. Therefore its quite possible that the basketball program was completely blindsided by this news
Unfortunately I see a lot of this in my line of work. Oftentimes it is some ambiguous “he said she said” throw alcohol in the mix plus regrets and the fogginess of what had happened the night before… it’s a shame
It’s possible. Just seems like it’s too early to judge the situation. There’s rumors, but no concrete public info/evidence yet it seems. No matter what, this is just a sad situation.
This should not happen in the USA...innocent until proven guilty. You don't take someone's liberty to pursue their dreams over accusations or indictment. Only until proven guilty by a jury of your peers...how will Terrance Shannon get his basketball season back if he's found innocent a year later? The damage is already done
I agree. Its all apart of the screwed up justice system that puts too much power in the hands of a few people. They do this because they will never be held accountable for ruining innocent peoples lives...He's already being punished.
This is why severe penalties need to be inforced for false accusations. And this is an intersting case because we don't even know if a crime was committed. In a murder, we know there was a crime, we just don't know who did it. In this case, she could just be lying altogether.
The first on a long list of false accusations, usually after a payout. Try working for it. We live in an ACCUSATION EQUALS GUILT culture. If the cause is so noble, where is #MeToo with the Trans athlete's debacle? Crickets on that :)
This should be covered and addressed bc there are real world consequences. I don't see this as click bait like Torres and his preposterous Edey fouls nonsense, and you covered this well and with class. As you both know I will definitely push back when disagreeing but this is spot on and well done, thank you.
Seems like the university is following its policy that is designed for just this situation. Based on the recent games and media from the team, I am guessing they have been blindsided by the events of today
It sounds like he was arrested, taken into custody, and had to post bail to get out of jail. At that point it's more than just allegations. Don't expect more information about the case though because it will be withheld to protect the victim.
I doubt we find out he was running down a street and dragged someone into an alley. He put himself in a bad situation is my guess....let himself down and his friends probably let him down too. If my best friend was a surefire lottery pick, I'd make goddam sure he didn't do anything remotely close to stupid. Momma now needs to slap him around a bit and he's still good for a first round pick.
This is definitely the end if his College Career unfortunately. The legal process will not be swift baring the alleged victim changes their story. Its a sad day for Illini basketball the trajectory of the team has took the major hit.
I expected AD Whitman to do his job which included monitor a criminal investigation centered on a University of Illinois athlete that Whitman knew about "since late September" (by his own admission on 12/29) and then to act on it (at least within a few days) of when charges were filed on 12/5. The fact that he chose not to do this, but, instead, that he chose to "funnel all communication" (his words) through the University of Illinois police is outrageous. He admitted that never contacted the LPD or Douglas County prosecutors nor ever inquired to them about whether charges would be filed and, if so, when that might happen. He also didn't check with any regularity, likely daily or even weekly, to see if that information changed. In short, I expected DA Whitman to do his job and make sure that an athlete who represented the University of Illinois but was likely to soon face criminal charges (or already did) would be promptly suspended in accordance with the department's policy. DA Whitman didn't do that and in doing so, he failed the University from 12/5 to 12/28. This meant that Shannon played in four University of Illinois basketball games that he shouldn't have had DA Whitman followed this policy.
because it was just allegations. they didn’t have enough facts or information at the time to just suspend him on a plain allegation with nothing to back it up.
The insinuating about DGL and his camp is so gross. Haven't seen it but if true that doesn't bode well for the team and not sure why you're propigating that other than for ratings.
Champaign police new but did the program know? Wouldn’t you continue to play deeper into the bench if you knew and thought you’d have this disruption. It just seems the program didn’t know.
50/50 agree. Shannon's lawyer said he was cooperating with law enforcement since the investigation began. I would assume if the lawyer is involved, the program would know something. The program also said it knew but didn't have enough to make an appropriate action then... maybe that's telling
Some of you are sad. Sports arent that important. All some of you are thinking about is omg poor Terrence he cant play ever again his life is ruined. If he wasnt a basketball player on your favorite team, you'd be saying this kid was trash and deserves to be locked up. Hopefully he isnt guilty but stop assuming girl is falsely accusing him.
You realize that the information that’s being leaked is that he was fingering a drunk 18 year girl in a largely crowded and very public bar. You think that is grounds to ruin the young man’s life?
YOU KIDS PUT OUT NICE ENTERTAINING VIDEOS. THAT BEING SAID...YOU SEEM WAY TOO CONFIDENT IN THE "LEGAL SYSTEM" AND WAY TOO READY TO DIFFERINTIATE ALLEGATIONS W THE WORD "CHARGES" ... TELL ME THIS...WHY DID PROSECUTING ATTORNEYS NEED 3-4 MONTHS TO FILE FORMAL CHARGES>>? HERE;S A GUESS ....IT'S BOGUS. SOME GIRLS JEALOUS BF MAYBE GOT INVOLVED? WHO REALLY KNOWS? ONE THING;S FOR SURE...BEING CHARGED WITH A CRIME DOESNT MAKE YOU GUILTY. AGAIN...WHAT TOOK 4 MONTHS ? THE TRUTH >? OR THE bXLL SHXXT ?
Even if he’s charged, it’s still “alleged”. He is innocent UNTIL proven guilty. He should not have been suspended. He says he’s innocent. Wittman is weak
It is kinda depressing how many of the people in these comments are saying it’s a false accusation. You 100% can say that he’s innocent until proven guilty and that’s totally good and well, but that also doesn’t mean you can say it’s a false accusation. False accusations are way rarer than all of you are making them out to be
I work on the front lines and I can tell you that false accusations are incredibly common. Whether it’s a jaded girlfriend or a girl that is worried she got pregnant and was ashamed to tell her parents, I’ve seen it all.
It’s definitely too early to judge one way or the other. There’s literally no concrete details of what happened out to the public at this point. I’d question the “false allegations are rare” thing though. There’s multiple examples of high profile athletes being falsely accused of this type of stuff
Oh well. When you get to only play football and not attend any classes, you get in trouble with all the empty time you have. Make ALL players attend classes and pass, not just let them play football for the profit of the college's money.
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I'm glad u covered it....I actually looked for u guys 1st thing when I got off work, to see your coverage of it. It wasn't up yet so I was disappointed at 1st. It does really suck for us Illini fans, not took take anything away from the victim. Disappointing and tragic. Prayers go out to all involved.
The victim......or the shakedown artist.....we don't know.
Alleged victim.
You boys are class acts. As an IL alum, I can say you covered this fairly. Keep it up… big fan.
For all involved, I hope it isn’t true.
You covering this so soon actually helps all to process. Thanks for doing the video.
Feel like really all that can be done now is to wait for all the facts to come out and hope justice is served, whether that is charges dropped, found guilty, or proven innocent.
I’m so sad man.
you know and I myself have to keep remindeing, a person is innocent UNTIL proven guilty. It is too bad that our society has taken the opposite approach in that people want you to be guilty right out of the gate until proven innocent, Lets remember this moving forward .....
America is 🤡 World, So If I wanted a player removed all I have to do is pay a Woman to make allegations and he will be suspended, If the School don’t suspend a possibly innocent player they will get bashed or possibly sued, Men have made themselves powerless.
17:50 … dude, “innocent until proven guilty” and “benefit of the doubt” are essentially the same thing. It’s not a “sick” thing to say.
I truly hope that this kid is not guilty of this type thing, because his life will have been destroyed. No NBA team will draft him; his hard work will be without benefit. In our world, celebrities and athletes are often targets. We do not know if alcohol was involved, which would complicate in even more, because a “yes” is not a consent if she was intoxicated. As a graduate from Texas Tech School of Law & born & raised in the greater St. Louis area of Illinois, I will be saddened. Surely the prosecution believes it has a good case, or they should have waited to file. There is not a Statute of limitations problem, but they have had a lot of time for police investigation, as well as prosecution review. Unfortunately, there is no win here. He has already been damaged. Without playing, he has no chance at player of the Year or a high draft pick. If it is true, life will be forever changed.
"This incident ALLEGEDLY occurred." Guys don't convict without trial. SMH
Man!! I dont believe it!!! She wants a payday!!!
Sad day to be an Illini fan man. So disappointed
Just don’t be a illinios fan
@@pittbreaks3317that’s pretty ignorant to say
@pittbreaks3317 Why not?
@pittbreaks3317 You sound Stupid
If Terrance says he's innocent...I would take it to the bank!
Fair coverage and warranted. This is big news and I expect the sources I lean on for Illinois coverage to address it. May the courts find the truth, whatever that may be. So sad, that a lifetime of work can be negated so quickly. Let's hope Illinois staff made the right decisions with whatever information they had along the way.
TSJ will probably beat the case. The fact is that it took them almost 4 months to charge him meaning its not an open and shut case. All the evidence they have is that TSJ's DNA was found in the plaintiff. It is a he said vs she said. Proving beyond a reasonable doubt would be really hard
How did he leave DNA by allegedly sticking his finger in her?
Unfortunately for Shannon, probably not. The truth is that it often takes months or longer to build a case that makes prosecutors confident enough to proceed. Also, what you say on the DNA evidence doesn't make any sense if Shannon denied, even temporarily, sexual contact with her to investigators. Instead, that would make it look like he didn't have consent. Also, DNA isn't the only evidence that Shannon has to worry about. There could be evidence of bruising or other injuries that suggests the alleged rape was done in a manner consist with her allegation. (I don't claim to know the details of her complaint here; I'm just saying it is possible.) In the end, it might not be a he-said vs. she-said in that way. We'll know in 2024 when this case gets presented in Douglas County courtroom.
@@carlw6247what’s been said was inappropriate touching?? Didn’t know that was rape? Also happened at a bar and you would think if a girl is yelling stop or someone help he would be jumped at the bar. Something isn’t adding up at all
Well and most cases the men don’t ever get convicted even if they did it. Hopefully Justice is served for whoever is in the wrong
Until he is convicted, he should play.
Now, if he is convicted a rapist, put him under the jail. But if this is a two folks got drunk and now one regrets it….
So this young’s man’s life will be ruined by “inappropriate touching” in a bar.
Not fishing. You guys cover the Big Ten and it’s a huge issue. You guys are good.
Remember the name Valdez. You need to Look at the Lawerence Newspaper, Nothing about Shannon. but lots about Valdez who is in court about being removed as DA of Douglas county. Do your Homework !
Im heartbroken...
Anyone with a grudge or ulterior motive can ruin another's life. Unbelievable!
I don’t think police would have investigated for 4 months beforehand if there was nothing there mate. Obviously gotta wait for things to play out, but you can’t just assume it’s a false accusation when they’re exceedingly rare
Ahh I am heartbroken
This is definitely the end of his college basketball career...and if found innocent...it is a tragedy beyond belief...he should be playing and have the same rights and freedoms until proven guilty by a jury of his peers...do we have a constitution or not?
With all of the "metoo" stuff, it has become almost fashionable to make these accusations. But as bad as this is, if true, there are plenty of cases of false accusations too. Sadly there may be "innocent until proven guilty" in the courts but not always the case when it comes to being lynched in public opinion.
Sure, in a legal sense he’s innocent until proven guilty.
The university isn’t taking away his constitutional rights to … play basketball for them? They have their policies, and their own ass to cover.
Just got to let it play out at this point.
It's going to be too late to play it out at this point. As if he even ends up being innocent, she has ended his NCAA career, which is sad. The rumors r that she was into him, & some touching going on, but the gal thought he was a Kansas athlete, not Illinois, & then later decided it was not OK. Hmm. This girl may have actually had a similar instance b4, & even Bill Self is trying to help Shannon out.
trying
I really appreciate your guys' great coverage of all things Illinois basketball, including this situation. I think you've navigated this topic very well.
With respect to why Illinois has made TSJ the face of the program thus far this season, I think what it comes down to is that they followed the policy; specifically, until he was charged, he was a part of the team. But, him being one of the best players in the country put them in a really awkward situation because if they didn't hype him up, people would eventually notice and start raising questions.
Look at it from the program's POV as the season was getting started. Imagine a scenario where TSJ is playing the way he's playing, but the program basically ignores that fact, people start asking questions, and word finally leaks out. Then, because they didn't know how it would play out, imagine the case is dropped, but the allegations are still out there because Illinois was treating him like a pariah.
Unless we find out that the DIA knew much much more about where the investigation would ultimately go, I think they did the right thing, regardless of how it looks in retrospect. And even then, if the policy says that they allow the police investigation to run its course before making any decisions, then I have a hard time faulting them for following the policy.
Yeah I mostly agree. I don’t think it’s fair to point fingers at the university just yet. There’s still so much we don’t know, but it sounds like they tried to get info from the authorities in Lawrence but were given basically nothing. To suspend a player on that basis doesn’t make sense. The moment charges were brought, he was immediately suspended.
Hopefully as things play out we‘ll get more info on what the university knew, what Shannon told them, and what actually happened.
May the truth come through in spades and fast.
They filed charges based on the fact that the states attorney thought it could be proved. Evidence can be statements by “witnesses” also.
Right, but you didn't mention the LPD investigation, which requires probable cause and normally involves a recommendation to prosecutors. You also didn't mention the Douglas County Circuit Court which issued the arrest warrant when a judge on that court felt there was sufficient evidence for it. So, in that sense, there are three organizations (police, prosecutors, and a court) that normally concur and work together before an arrest warrant is issued, which in this case is what triggered Shannon's arrest. That doesn't mean he is guilty of these charges, but it is also not the work of a single states attorney.
@@carlw6247 it took more then 20 days to file, that screams pressure on the DA’s office!
Whether he is found guilty or not to having done this to young lady is irrevelant for basketball season. This will not be resolved until well after season, so his career at Illinois is over. For his sake I hope this isnt true. If it is then he is a POS and im shocked because he seems like a wonderful person.
Do a follow up video please
He's toast, if he is guilty or not.
His college career almost certainly is. If he’s exonerated, I hope he can salvage an NBA career, but it will be a tough road forward for him, no doubt.
Allegedly, this incident occurred at a bar after the Illinois-Kansas football game. I have heard rumors that there was a "fingering" situation and that it was "consensual" but perhaps at some point, the alleged victim changed her mindset on whether it was actually "consensual" or not. So, it seems to be a complicated he said-she said situation. Not sure on anything more than that but a very tough situation all around for everyone involved. This is very opposite of the character we've seen from TSJ so I think it is hard for many of us to think that he "raped" someone but we can't rush to judgement in either case
He should have been smarter than that.. stupid kids shouldn't be unsupervised. They are targets
You might want to wait and hear from the victim or prosecutors speaking on her behalf. Think about it this way. Had she told police and prosecutors that she gave consent, then it would have been very difficult for them to proceed with the police investigation / criminal prosecution. Therefore, she likely never granted consent. In other words, you are citing rumors from the internet that likely don't agree with what the alleged victim told police / prosecutors. But if you want more facts from the prosecution, you'll have to follow what is presented in that Douglas County court in 2024.
@@carlw6247 You might want to re-think who the "victim" is because you don't know who the "victim" is in this case. The victim could be the woman or it could be TSJ. You may want to wait before you jump to conclusions
Sad day…
Hey Guys, I have sign off. He is innocent until proven guilty. Again I sincerely hope he is innocent.
I hope you guys go to bat for TSJ. More and more smoke is indicating that this young man might be the victim in all of this.
Nice job on the recap.
You did the right think to do a VID on this ...
And I'm going to bite my tongue rather than comment on another B10 program north of Champaign that HAS NOT always been committed to a zero-tolerance policy.
I’m shocked and saddened
If he claims to be innocent, why would they kick him off the team?
Because they have to after his arrest.
Because they will (rightfully) absolutely cover their own ass over blindly siding with any student/athlete that may have committed a serious crime.
thanks for speaking to this. as an illini fan - i think you are going about it the right way. keep up the great work boys.
Remember this happened to Rasheed Sulaimon at Duke in 2015 and he was dismissed from the team and stain remained on his name even though he was innocent.
Wow blast from the past forgot all bout thst
Guys, an Alabama player DID NOT murder anyone. Darius Miles gun was used by Davis, Davis was the shooter who struck Harris (the victim.) Davis was not on the team nor associated with the University of Alabama in any way, wasn’t even a student. Davis is a childhood friend of Miles who was visiting Tuscaloosa.
I got called a racist last year as a white guy trying to defend Miller in that issue. Crazy what happens online. The way he was treated was shameful.
The University of Illinois has its own police department, but they are an entirely separate entity from the Basketball program. As a legitimate law enforcement agency the would not be sharing information about an ongoing investigation to the basketball program. Therefore its quite possible that the basketball program was completely blindsided by this news
Unfortunately I see a lot of this in my line of work. Oftentimes it is some ambiguous “he said she said” throw alcohol in the mix plus regrets and the fogginess of what had happened the night before… it’s a shame
TERANCE MAY WELL BE "THE VICTIM'
“The first thought is to the victim” Yeah the victim could be Terrence.
It’s possible. Just seems like it’s too early to judge the situation. There’s rumors, but no concrete public info/evidence yet it seems.
No matter what, this is just a sad situation.
This should not happen in the USA...innocent until proven guilty. You don't take someone's liberty to pursue their dreams over accusations or indictment. Only until proven guilty by a jury of your peers...how will Terrance Shannon get his basketball season back if he's found innocent a year later? The damage is already done
I agree. Its all apart of the screwed up justice system that puts too much power in the hands of a few people. They do this because they will never be held accountable for ruining innocent peoples lives...He's already being punished.
This is why severe penalties need to be inforced for false accusations. And this is an intersting case because we don't even know if a crime was committed. In a murder, we know there was a crime, we just don't know who did it. In this case, she could just be lying altogether.
What is scary are the memories from the Duke LaCrosse team. We all remember how that started and ended.
The first on a long list of false accusations, usually after a payout. Try working for it.
We live in an ACCUSATION EQUALS GUILT culture. If the cause is so noble, where is #MeToo with the Trans athlete's debacle? Crickets on that :)
I'm devastated
This should be covered and addressed bc there are real world consequences. I don't see this as click bait like Torres and his preposterous Edey fouls nonsense, and you covered this well and with class. As you both know I will definitely push back when disagreeing but this is spot on and well done, thank you.
Seems like the university is following its policy that is designed for just this situation. Based on the recent games and media from the team, I am guessing they have been blindsided by the events of today
I wonder if Underwood knew about any of this before it happened?
Program is cursed
curse of the Chief
What! This is crazy AF!
So who would take over his spot?
It sounds like he was arrested, taken into custody, and had to post bail to get out of jail. At that point it's more than just allegations. Don't expect more information about the case though because it will be withheld to protect the victim.
Boy is you programmed 🤣😂
Absolutely correct. Until it is presented in court and made public around that time.
It was an allegation. A clearly false allegation clown. Stop thinking you know shit
Wrong, Duke Lacrosse charges were filed, and they were innocent. I have a list if you'd like to see it.
Maybe they didn’t know it would get to this
I doubt we find out he was running down a street and dragged someone into an alley. He put himself in a bad situation is my guess....let himself down and his friends probably let him down too. If my best friend was a surefire lottery pick, I'd make goddam sure he didn't do anything remotely close to stupid. Momma now needs to slap him around a bit and he's still good for a first round pick.
Yeah, if he is guilty, he is likely guilty of going farther than she wanted to go. Either that or she regretted it later, because that happens too.
This is definitely the end if his College Career unfortunately. The legal process will not be swift baring the alleged victim changes their story. Its a sad day for Illini basketball the trajectory of the team has took the major hit.
What did you want Illinois to do with the info known about it? It’d be worse for everyone involved if everyone knew info about it.
I expected AD Whitman to do his job which included monitor a criminal investigation centered on a University of Illinois athlete that Whitman knew about "since late September" (by his own admission on 12/29) and then to act on it (at least within a few days) of when charges were filed on 12/5. The fact that he chose not to do this, but, instead, that he chose to "funnel all communication" (his words) through the University of Illinois police is outrageous. He admitted that never contacted the LPD or Douglas County prosecutors nor ever inquired to them about whether charges would be filed and, if so, when that might happen. He also didn't check with any regularity, likely daily or even weekly, to see if that information changed.
In short, I expected DA Whitman to do his job and make sure that an athlete who represented the University of Illinois but was likely to soon face criminal charges (or already did) would be promptly suspended in accordance with the department's policy. DA Whitman didn't do that and in doing so, he failed the University from 12/5 to 12/28. This meant that Shannon played in four University of Illinois basketball games that he shouldn't have had DA Whitman followed this policy.
They were aware of the rape allegations 3 months ago...clarify why the silence since then!
because it was just allegations. they didn’t have enough facts or information at the time to just suspend him on a plain allegation with nothing to back it up.
“I allege that you molested my child.”
That’s why.
The insinuating about DGL and his camp is so gross. Haven't seen it but if true that doesn't bode well for the team and not sure why you're propigating that other than for ratings.
Only illinois. Wtf
Just got his jersey for Christmas😭😭
This team is done... They will not dance...
Champaign police new but did the program know? Wouldn’t you continue to play deeper into the bench if you knew and thought you’d have this disruption. It just seems the program didn’t know.
50/50 agree. Shannon's lawyer said he was cooperating with law enforcement since the investigation began. I would assume if the lawyer is involved, the program would know something. The program also said it knew but didn't have enough to make an appropriate action then... maybe that's telling
I am shocked. I really hope he is innocent.
EVERY FUCKING YEAR THIS HAPPENS AT THIS EXACT TIME IMMA KMS
Just don’t be an illinios fan
Dont tell me what to do@@pittbreaks3317
Interesting...did he put himself in this position...or...was he set up? Possible???
Miss games can't make them up
This video will age extremely poorly if current speculation on the story is true. Likely should have waited to release this until more facts came out.
I wonder if Nate Oates would have let him continue to play. Lol
I'm sick of seeing this kind of stuff...these young men deserve better.
Some of you are sad. Sports arent that important. All some of you are thinking about is omg poor Terrence he cant play ever again his life is ruined. If he wasnt a basketball player on your favorite team, you'd be saying this kid was trash and deserves to be locked up. Hopefully he isnt guilty but stop assuming girl is falsely accusing him.
You realize that the information that’s being leaked is that he was fingering a drunk 18 year girl in a largely crowded and very public bar. You think that is grounds to ruin the young man’s life?
YOU KIDS PUT OUT NICE ENTERTAINING VIDEOS. THAT BEING SAID...YOU SEEM WAY TOO CONFIDENT IN THE "LEGAL SYSTEM" AND WAY TOO READY TO DIFFERINTIATE ALLEGATIONS W THE WORD "CHARGES" ... TELL ME THIS...WHY DID PROSECUTING ATTORNEYS NEED 3-4 MONTHS TO FILE FORMAL CHARGES>>? HERE;S A GUESS ....IT'S BOGUS. SOME GIRLS JEALOUS BF MAYBE GOT INVOLVED? WHO REALLY KNOWS? ONE THING;S FOR SURE...BEING CHARGED WITH A CRIME DOESNT MAKE YOU GUILTY. AGAIN...WHAT TOOK 4 MONTHS ? THE TRUTH >? OR THE bXLL SHXXT ?
Even if he’s charged, it’s still “alleged”. He is innocent UNTIL proven guilty. He should not have been suspended. He says he’s innocent. Wittman is weak
That's an NCAA rule, nothing you or Illinois can do other than suspend him.
You are weak.
It is kinda depressing how many of the people in these comments are saying it’s a false accusation. You 100% can say that he’s innocent until proven guilty and that’s totally good and well, but that also doesn’t mean you can say it’s a false accusation. False accusations are way rarer than all of you are making them out to be
I work on the front lines and I can tell you that false accusations are incredibly common. Whether it’s a jaded girlfriend or a girl that is worried she got pregnant and was ashamed to tell her parents, I’ve seen it all.
It’s definitely too early to judge one way or the other. There’s literally no concrete details of what happened out to the public at this point.
I’d question the “false allegations are rare” thing though. There’s multiple examples of high profile athletes being falsely accused of this type of stuff
Illinois is finish
None of us are truly free if this is allowed to continue.
Oh well. When you get to only play football and not attend any classes, you get in trouble with all the empty time you have.
Make ALL players attend classes and pass, not just let them play football for the profit of the college's money.