Switching to Ubuntu
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 27 ก.ค. 2024
- Yes, the title is correct, I’m switching to Ubuntu. Don’t you hate snaps and GNOME? Yes, but I always say change your Linux install to what you want. Don’t like something? Change IT!
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I'm actually not real surprised by this, Ubuntu has been pretty good to me on laptops and while there are some things about it that might be a little less optimal than other OS's the overall experience has been pretty great as far as I'm concerned.
I really love your channel! Keep it up Chris!
Thanks for the info. I'm not an experienced Linux user but it's interesting that some tweaks will lower power usage in a laptop.
What we need to do here is understand what Ubuntu is doing to get this efficiency and try to replicate it using the same tools.
On my Fedora install, I get 12-13W on idle according to powertop. So yeah, Ubuntu's doing some good work here.
Just btw, there is a way for new 20xx series and up Nvidia GPUs to power off if they detect no program is utilizing them. Let me try and find the guide I saw
*Ubuntu and the manufacturer
truely unexpected. It would be interesting to see how low one could get the power consumption without (noticably) limiting the usability. I'd be looking forward to a video showing how to limit e.g. CPU cores and frequencies
Mine is an old Asus Ultrabook UX331UN (i5-8250U) running Arch KDE with its dedicated MX150 GPU set to hybrid mode. Powertop reports a discharge rate of 5W on idle. Haven't tried other distros/OSes other than ChromeOS Flex and Win 11, but Arch gets me the most juices out of the this old ultrabook's battery. I doubt Ubuntu can do any better than this.
I lied, I've tried Fedora 36 on this laptop, it pulls 16W on idle which is absurdly high compared to Arch.
Ah simple remove hardware that you don't use but even the power brick at idle will have some consumption, so vy jut deactivate via software the device itself would still require electricity you need to train the kernel based on what you need let it runn for a month then you xan decide if a reading is accurate enough because by just looking once over a value it does not mean that is acurate put the power mesdurwment before the main switch that that goes in to the wall and you will see that software deactivate wont do anything will never understand such desires y am kynda everything at max performance
Chris Titus...Man, Myth, and Legend!
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I've seen some power management issues in various distros; some apparently had very little control built in, or were not well designed to take full advantage. I never measured the wattage, but since my laptop is normally plugged in, I was more concerned about system load tying up the CPUs. Ubuntu is an improved Debian (Debian is so fixated on stability they're perpetually obsolete). If I can get some of the MX tools to work in Kubuntu that might be the ultimate distro for my daily use, since I'm migrating to KDE anyway.
Regarding mx tools, I have to agree with you. Fantastic distro and my go-to fixer when my SSD becomes corrupt due to distro updates... And no, not from Windows updates.
@@ibm450 You corrupt your SSD from updates? You mean the distro breaks and not that the hardware itself is damaged right?
I don't own a single SSD drive so this concerning because I've been considering moving to SSD's.
@@drownthepoor nothing to worry about. Stick to samsung or Intel ssd and you'll be fine. And yes Linux updates that corrupt the grub . Never once has Windows 7 to 11 have corrupt the grub in anyway after updates. I'm back using w11 full-time again and it's such a pleasure to use again
@@ibm450 Ah okay. Yeah I was planning on going with Samsung, but Intel is also good . I noticed Western Digital has them out too now.
Hmm that's odd that you had grub corrupted from an update. I've never had that happen.
Which distro were you using?
With laptop-mode-tools you can configure the governor when unplugged from the wall.
You can control the times the hard disk cache is writing back to disk, giving the opportunity to suspend the HD more frequently.
Thank You! You're doing a great job! It would be really interesting to know your opinion about OpenSUSE distro and specifically about Regata OS.
I don't suppose you'll read this Chris, but have a look on GitLab for Supergfxctl. Integrated / Hybrid switching with just a logout, not reboot. Ryzen 9 5900HS / GTX1650 laptop here, with Fedora 37 / KDE Spin ~5w idle at desktop in either Hybrid or Integrated. Supergfxctl also supports a switch from Integrated to VFIO mode (without even logging out), if you wish to pass the dGPU through to a Windows VM.
Does it only work on Asus laptops?
@@user-gy9dh2ox6p Nope, it used to be Asus only, but *should* work on any now.
you's goin' back to da devil!
welcome back! KDE works my junky old craptop fine.
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Everyone goes back to Ubuntu eventually. In my case Kubuntu.
I just tried kubuntu for the first time two days ago and I love it.
“You could not live with your own failure. And where did that bring you? Back to me.“
lol same here with Kubuntu
NEVER LOL
Damn, u just said my line...
Kubuntu is best of both worlds...
Feels like best of both worlds...
Cool looks of KDE yet with the convience of UBUNTU...
LOVE the aptitude and the dpkg...
Ive been using Ubuntu as my daily driver for like 2 years now, its surprisingly stable.
Same but Kubuntu, I was on Mint but loved KDE and so Kubuntu made sense and I'm 100% doing great.
Hey Chris,
You make a good point. Ubuntu server is probably similar to Debian server. I have an old HP Pavilion laptop. That would be a great test case. It might be useable. THANKS.
Not sure why this is hard to believe, but I enjoyed the video and your reaction to a polished OS behaving, well, more polished.
The package laptop-mode does help for battery life. It’s installed by default on Ubuntu.
Chris, I use optimus-manager to do that. I can disable dedicated GPU completely WITHOUT reboot, and it is instantaneous (it logs you out, and have to log in, but it doesn't take a few seconds like you have to weight, and then reboot). Then mi laptop discharges at around 6.5w (AMD 5800h CPU). Try it out.
hey Chris, thanks! The last few days, for the life of me I couldn't remember (getting old) that handy terminal command which gives you system info and bingo - right there in the thumbnail!
Great video and approach Chris as always..
PoPOS for me here.. I don't want to break my building environment in any way..😉
I see you don’t wanna Pop it!
@@supremeasura3358 you got me bro..😂👍
Good thing you run Pop_os! (if you have an Nvidia-infested laptop). They are (until now?) the only ones that are able to completely shut off an Nvidia GPU on laptops.
@@michaelheimbrand5424 Hey.. I'm running PopOs On a PC with dual boot POP/WIN11 with hw:Ryzen 7 3700x and RX 580 Nitro+ so far no issues the only bug i have is that I'm loosing real time when booting on windows 11.
It's been great for me aswell, I'm just bummed out because PopOS head engineer blocked* me in twitter for one post.
You talked about the discrete graphics not completely shutting down when powering off the system on Windows... is that a result of fast startup being enabled?
I switched to Ubuntu for my base about a year ago for many reasons. I don't mind having the firefox snap. It hasn't been a problem. I used to be a Debian Sid user, because Debian Stable is more like Debian Stale, especially several months after release. But Debian really doesn't have an in-between. The stable branch is too old and stale, even with all backports installed. The Testing branch is only a small step below Sid. Testing and Sid both get tons of updates, to the point that you get sick of updates. And both are a bit unstable, if not plain broken at times. Ubuntu proves that a system can be fresh and up to date, and still be stable. I go by the point releases. I look forward to upgrading to the latest Ubuntu every six months. I usually manually upgrade to the dev release 3-4 weeks ahead, even before the beta release comes out. I like to follow the development. And even the dev release is quite stable within a week of the beta release. Ubuntu is just a lot of fun for me. I love it.
most packages are regular apt and i personally havent had an issue w the minimal amount of snap packages i needed to install
My only con about Ubuntu is their repos are way behind, I'm not saying it should be latest like AUR but it should be like fedora. So I'll be sticking with fedora. Great video tho!!
Did you try play with the CPUFrequencyScaling on Debian? Maybe some watts saving are left there :$
just switched to Arch Linux after 15+ years of Ubuntu/Linux Mint. Thought month about it, now it's reality. Just awesome and so easy with basic Linux skills.
I think debain and Ubuntu are just those beginner Linux distros. Like most of us used that as our first daily Linux driver. Howefer I feel as time goes on, we want more of a distro. In my case, I moved to Fedora.
I moved to Arch years ago when they had working audio for AMD GPU's. Ubuntu had issues back then with HDMI audio & newer AMD cards. It was a lot better in many ways than Ubuntu and I never had anything break on me. But I often see people saying they're done with Arch because of the breaks. I left it because I had hardware failure, and just started with a clean box & I know Ubuntu best. But I still have that drive right where it was when the cooling failed so I just need to fix it and I'll be back to Arch lol.
@@darkiceywolf2953 Debian is not a beginner friendly distribution. It's is not new user friendly in terms that you would have to find drivers (something thar Ubuntu does automatically when enabling the option) and know about each DE so that you can configure them to your liking as all are mostly stock.
It could be kernel configuration, scaling governor, extra proprietary firmware, more agressive power management of connected peripherals (USB, network & storage controllers), etc.
It'd be interesting to see you test Arch Linux (with linux-firmware installed and TLP configured). I can get my old, rather inefficient T440p down to 9 W from 14 by tweaking some things.
Also do note: powertop is just an estimate.
My laptop does 2.97W. I think the things that made the most difference for me was turning off nvidia support entirely when I built the kernel and the system. And the next best thing is a program called laptop-mode-tools.
I get amazing battery life on my laptop on Linux compared to windows. Double actually.
Early in 2022 I had a quick look at this issue when deciding whether to put Fedora (pretty power hungry) or Arch on an aging Microsoft Surface Pro (2017) and Arch easily won at the time. That said all my other machines run Void Linux and all I've done to tweak power usage is install tlp; with that, on battery, dwm or even Gnome 42 currently running on my laptop, a Dell Latitude 7420, moves to ~ 2.45 watts at idle (no typing) while watching powertop, and 5.21W right now while typing this note. That's with dozens of Chrome tabs open, vscode, a few terminals... basically usual daily use conditions. I'd put Void on the Surface Pro but I'm too lazy to build Linux for Surface for it. I'm getting superb use time on batter on the Dell BTW. I will buy another.
I have been using Ubuntu Mate and I like it very much because it is easy to use and customize.
I dunno if it's because of some other package I'd installed already or not, but I'm running Nobara (for now) on a Sys76 Lemur Pro and powertop is showing under 8W discharge at the moment. Can't complain about that. Still kinda tempted to do the minimal rebuild thing but I'd have to test whether it made more sense to start with Ubuntu or Fedora I guess.
As another thing for laptops that i use is the autocpufreq app
I use it as a snap because it was plug and play but you do you.
On battery on my 6700HQ it goes down to 900mhz at idle. While without it off it turboed indefinitely.
It definitely extended battery by about 1 hour.
Linux rocks! I have used Ubuntu for years. My sound stopped recently after upgrading to an update. I do a lot of Word Processor work. I have a newer Windows machine. Libre Office may be the best even over my high priced Office Professional? Thanks for the video!
I personally loathe LO. It's the first thing I uninstall on any Linux distro and replace it with WPS for Linux. Also, WPS plays well on a windows machine
But tbh nothing is comparable to M$ office. It simply roosts as the best office software, hands down
@@ibm450 Thanks for your reply. It has been a while since I used Linux word processors. Open Office several years ago had some features MS Office did not have. The learning curve is extremely arduous. MS Office is more user friendly for legal pleadings. Now, I am looking for a Word Processor for writing a book. I have done a Table of Contents before. A long time ago! lol. Thanks!
When your streaming from the laptop does that not cause more power usage? So perhaps when you disconnected from sharing your screen power usage went down? Additionally a couple months ago Gnome changed the way it manages power usage as I had to switch away from using TLP on my Thinkpad T450. Maybe interesting experiment as i have played around with powertop, tlp and cpufreq to get the most out of my battery.
I checked into the envycontrol project and it not actively maintained, should have a caveat to consider using this solution if for some reason, there's an update in the future and it's broken or not supported. Also, did you consider to check the tuned project? maybe some kernel parameters can change that keeps down the power usage and it's included in most of the distros.
how do I get that same exact terminator coloring. I'm using zsh. where it says titus in grey, then light blue then small green, then medium blue and the round edges? is there another video where this is covered?
Hi chris, what option disable full screen optimizations on your tweak script? Because it breaks some programs/games so I have to keep it on. And also do you suggest windows 10 or 11 for gaming? Another great video btw! Thanks.
uhh sir this is a linux video
@@envyhvh no shit sherlock
@@canhvh dam no need to be so toxic men
@@canhvh also to answer one of your questions there is no real diff between w11 and w10 for gaming, w11 is w10 with a fresh coat of paint
Hi to All! My bet would be CPU scaling governor. I use powersave with turbo boost on when i'm pluggend in to power (to keep fans from spinning). When i'm on battery i'm on powersave with turbo boost off.
Been using Lubuntu for 2 years (on old junk). No problems. I don't mind snaps.
Chris is a genius. Awesome video and approach!
Hi Chris, just curious: still working with Rocky Linux? Any practical advantage you see in Ubuntu over Rocky?
Ubuntu has been keeping up with packages better than all the other repos combined.
That's why I like running ubuntu server on my self hosted cloud, it uses so little power, the entire system (single server) with MikroTik switches, router, fans, 4TB drives uses less than 50 watts. Seems dang efficient for a small container farm that runs 24/7 running web apps, a nextcloud instance, onlyoffice, email etc. I can run them in a small cluster under 100watts total.
Surprised pikachu face
What about snapd that you mentioned in your other video? Do you still hate it?
Is there a way to check if the Nvidia GPU (3060 Mobile in my case, ROG Strix G15 G513QM laptop) in Windows (11 Pro) is still active? As far as I'm aware it's disabled while on silentmode and battery power. But I'm curious now.
Mine is an old Asus Ultrabook UX331UN (i5-8250U) running Arch KDE with its dedicated MX150 GPU set to hybrid mode. It reports a discharge rate of 5W on idle. Not that bad in my book.
The GigaChad wi-fi tho 😆
Now that we are in Ubuntu's lands, I was just wondering what your thoughts are on Pop OS.
You should give Armbian a try. It's pretty much "Ubuntu with rolling release packages of Arch... and no spyware".
Alternative title : Ubuntu is an Angel. 🤣
Using it now yeah it's good for me.
Damn it, that is gold... I might switch it!
I got 4w idle with my RPI4 on Ubuntu server, changed to an embedded itx and am now at 8w. Would disabling igpu cut down much? I don't have it plugged in anyway as I just ssh into it. Would like to get as low as possible since 95% of the time it is idle.
A few years ago I had a notebook with a 2nd generation i5, I ended up migrating from Linux to Windows precisely because of the battery consumption at the time.
This notebook had only the Intel onboard video card and even so the battery consumption in Ubuntu 12.04 or 14.04 was almost 40% higher than in Windows and its battery was no longer the best, which made it have to abandon Linux for some time while I was on the street, using it only when I was at home, connected to the electricity.
Thankfully, nowadays we have more documentation and information on how to improve this consumption, because in notebooks every extra minute of energy counts.
Started with Ubuntu - > Linux Mint - > Zorin Os -> Manjaro - >Fedora - >Garuda Linux - > Boss linux - > Fedora Kde - > Zorin Xcfe - > Finally Kbuntu 😊
Please help.
I'm new to linux. Just installed. How do you Linux itself. Also why does it have the terminal which is like a dosbox in the very old window. And where does one find more repositories for software. I'm really lost
Been a linux/Windows user for a while, I think once you get your laptop with Nvidia GPU working, lock it in and stop updating. It will break at one point if you keep updating. Got 3 monitors going and its finally working properly on Pop OS 22 which is Ubuntu based. With Ubuntu 22 When I tried installing Nvidai via ubuntu Driver tool it broke the OS each time Laptop is Asus with Nvidia the HDMI port is Nvidia exclusively.
Do you have any videos on how to make the desktop look like yours? It looks awesome!
I've been trying to make a beginner friendly video about this. It's mainly breaking down some of the aspects of this setup since I don't use a desktop environment. Setting Display configuration and network settings can be challenging for someone new to this.
Off topic: please do a video on ProxMox.
[[ Edit: an added request for a video on PBS ProxMox Backup Server kindly. ]]
Love this channel 👍
Kind regards, neighbours and friends.
You said that you use fedora because it is stable and rolling release,
what is the reason you change it now?
Interesting are those optimizations influence performance?
i wanna make my desktop env like yours but i dont't find ubunto-titus in your github?
Chris - Can you determine if atp-clone works in your Ubu install? Broke in Debian.
That’s great for laptops, but how do you feel about Canonical? I’m much more comfortable with the activity of Red Hat.
Dancing with the Devil I see ;) BTW what happened to CTT Crypto Channel ?
use the right tools for the job. i went from ubuntu to pop_os to fedora. Popos was almost perfect, what i hated was that the /boot partition is only 500mb and it fills up with old kernels files that i had to manually remove
The thing I like about ubuntu is that there’s a simple toggle for power saver mode.
there is the same on Debian. It is offered by Gnome 40+, not by Ubuntu.
You can use tuned (made by red hat) to improve performance / battery...
it's a good product, but I never tested it to check how power is drained...
Any gnome desktop will have it. If u use another DE. You can always use tlp which doesn't even need a toggle
I use ubuntu pro for free. You can use it too Chris. I am pretty happy with my Ubuntu installation.
Why do you want Ubuntu pro? The only benefit is extended support do you really not update that often? Isn't regular support 5 years ? If you want extended support why not switch to LTS
@@vxer i am on lts. i dont think you can have pro on non-lts release.
@@vxer If you are using Ubuntu as a server, which most people tend to do, you don't really want to increase the downtime by installing a new version. Having 10 years support is a great option.
didn t fully watched it (will now) but gotta say, it was a huge coincidence as today I did the same thing, from arch lol
At least for me, POpOS is just about what I want from an ubuntu desktop, so I just use that.. no snaps, flatpak, drivers, etc.
I use pop os too and I've been looking for an excuse to use a twm on a more lean system. But every time pop os gets better for me.
i use ubuntu unity and its so good
I really want to switch to a Linux distro, but until gaming becomes more supported, I’m stuck with Windows 😭😭😭
I like how his WiFi esSID is gigachad
Can't confirm:
Debian 11.5: 4.22 W
Ubuntu 22.10: 5.19 W
I'm using kernel from stable-backports in Debian though. That's what you probably should've tried on your Debian system.
Hey Titus, is there a way to reach you outside of TH-cam comments? If not thats ok. But I had a very annoying issue with my new windows 11 laptop. Basically the screen occasionally goes black randomly for no reason at all. I can still use the windows menu thing by clicking on the windows button, and the menu pops up, but I when I click on any application the screen goes back to being black. It gets fixed after a restart, and it had happened a bunch of times in the past but it wasnt very frequent. Today however, it happened 3 times. Its borderline unusable. Any idea what could cause this?
Do you use nvidia?
@@basilcat3111 yes.
@@supasf Nvidia is a problem on both windows and linux. I think you should make sure the correct drivers are installed.
Boss became a Distro Hopper 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣.
Just accept it that no distro is perfect...
No OS is perfect. 😉
I only use debian server on old machines that are plugged in...for portability or modern features its ubuntu or fedora...unless i'm on ARM, then it gets a bit more complicated lol
if anyone can please help me, i need some direction on how to turn off dedicated graphics if its an AMD card. My laptop is the Dell G5 15 SE (R7 4800H, RX 5500M). It discharges the whole battery in about an hour or two on idle.
"Ubuntu is the devil" by CTT a few years ago :D anyways if it is a good tool for the job then use it
Chris's criticisms were (and still are) valid. Ubuntu made some bonehead moves to drive some desktop users away, and do things that undercut their principles and their adherence to the Linux creed of free and open-source software. But the server world is different and business-driven. For a huge user base, support options, and overall stability while being more current than Debian out of the box, Ubuntu is still tough to beat.
i'm partial to FreeBSD myself, don't actually know that much about Linux, but Ubuntu is a decent desktop operating system, it's easy enough, don't know about how it goes under the hood, but I think there's more flavorful flavors of Linux out there...
i just went with FreeBSD because of the license, could make money from it, and the modularity of it, better security, firewall, it also spoke my language more, was easier for me to understand the docs, were fewer "enthusiasts", so was easier for me to get help with it... **shudders**
... not in a good situation right now, not really messing with any of that stuff atm, but i've got a FreeBSD server, Windows 11 gaming laptop, a soldering iron on my desk, and an xbox...
Ok, but when are you gonna install and review the hot new version of NixOS that came out a few days ago?
One thing I've noticed since switching to Linux from Windows (other than the terrible battery life during use), is the just as terrible battery life when you put the laptop to sleep. If I was using windows, the laptop would last quite a long time in sleep mode. But in Manjaro, if I put it to sleep, the battery drains within a couple of days (at least within a week).
are you sure you aren't confusing sleep with hibernate?
@@gJonii Yes
Hello
So i have an m1 mac and i was trying for so long to get linux on UTM but they are no working
I tried Lubunti / kali / debian/ ubuntu server etc it wouldn’t work with virtualisation
I have NixOS running under UTM. It’s a little different from most linuxes though
compare with fedora
The only thing i can contribute is that while using fedora or debian etc i had so many problems on my legion 5 pro with 3070 and intel 12700h
Ubuntu desktop saved me from using windows 😅😅
Debian server and Ubuntu server. I guess this means there is no GUI. How much joules does it use with KDE compared to Windows, for example, while gaming or while playing a youtube video?
Can you make a video about improving font rendering on linux? shit hurts my eyes coming from windows.
@1:14, did you mean Deb 10, or Bullseye? 😁
Ubuntu = bleeding edge features, with potential for more bugs
Debian = behind Ubuntu, but usually rock solid.
I'm on Fedora, I installed PowerTop but it doesn't show watts usage, how did you do it ?
The problem I have with Ubuntu is that I can't manage to make it auto update, which isn't ideal for a server.
powertop shows watts when the laptop is unplugged
The battery reports a discharge rate of 8.83 W | old hp gaming laptop with integrated intel and discrete nvidia GTX 1050 cards. Disabled nvida completely with udev rules (distro manjaro xfce).
Fedora server with KDE plasma workspace beats everything 👌
Ubuntu and Mint support Nvidia drvs. You should try Manjaro ...
Good video.
Nope. Former Ubuntu user here, also had Xubuntu, Lubuntu, and Ubuntu MATE at various times. Sorry to say it, but the Snaps idea has been nothing but a disaster. Debian Stable guy now.
which desktop environment he is using?
I'm on kubuntu after trying about 8 distros , it was the most easy to get working , msny had problems with NV drivers , I've ditched windows for ever after I found 2 strange programs installed (uninstallable ) ,plus windows 11 is laggy as hell now
Btw, I've been using Debian for two years since I left windows on june 2020 and I enjoy it so much! But I'm thinking on moving to NixOS, and would love to see your thoughs on a review by moving to it after Ubuntu. Maybe it's even more efficient.
Guix is inspired by NixOS btw
for what it's worth, my kali laptop sits just over 6w idle on an older dell. but it's also not a daily driver.
How do you disable cpu cores on Linux?
I don't use Ubuntu or Debian, but it's nice hearing that Ubuntu has something nice about it. 👍
LOL, sitting here waiting for my electric heaters to get the trailer above 55 deg F, I'm not really worried about how much power my graphics card is using.
Bro, setup hardware accelerated video encoding and decoding. I am also running a laptop. Getting 4 hours of bat life in linux vs 3hrs in windows (currently using only gnome power-profiles-daemon)
Mint with KDE here. Why?
1. Ubuntu has a patched kernel 6.1 for my Asus Vivobook laptop keyboard (kernel put on hold) that is easy to install.
2. Kubuntu had problems with Audacity not detecting an audio to record. (yes I use pavucontrol)
Is it stable? Not completely - I get screen flickering from time to time, X11 fail but it does not crash the OS.
Finally left Windows on my Ausus
Feelsgoodman
for server I have being using ubuntu from 2018, but on my laptop and desktop ,I tried my best I couldnt use it for 2 month I swiched back to arch