I prefer rock bottom. I think Glitched Crown gives you too many items to choose from, and you end up picking the same 10 op items every run you get it. It's still fun to watch, but it eliminates a lot of the randomness that makes isaac interesting.
sacred orb not that op cus you gonna get a shit ton of low-tier q2 items. but glitched crown give a 5x chance to find good item but on the other hand it guarantees you won't get the worst items in the game it also doesn't give a chance to spawn a tmtrainer :(
@@wd_kxrxss plus you can get unluckily Lucky by getting two or more op items ( for example, brimstone and twister pair ) in the same cycle losing one of them guarantered, and you can miscalculate the timing to get the item, still the best item of the Game after death certificate
@@jajasking9652 i think missing q4 is not much of a problem, there's still enough gamebreaks, and if you want to get something that you missed, just reroll with genesis.
if what you want is the ability to get OP items and not a hard carry item like sacred heart itself or anything than, glitched crown is the best for that. I've have experience with both so ik, gltiched crown provides so many more opportunities than sacred orb.
Honestly since i started isaac not long ago, from what i've seen, glitched crown has better potential, but rock bottom will in rare cases cause an absolute BANGER run.
Nah, glitched crown Will almost guarantered you a way, better run than sacred heart, i had once a run with chaos in shop and then first floor sacred heart, but the rest of the run was pretty bad, i barely beated the run, yes, sacred heart really can Carry a run, but glitched crown is straight Up a guarantered op run
The biggest brainer would know that taking rock bottom in this run over glitched crown would not be the play because then you would not be able to lower your shot speed for tech x.
While I think that it's basically a tie, from my personal feelings I do think rock bottom wins. Basically I think of it like this, both glitched crown and rock bottom make the ensuing items better, there's more of a limit to how glitched crown can make your items better, which is breakfasting. Meanwhile, rock bottom doesn't have this downside. The limit with rock bottom is crashing, which is also a possibility with gc. So gc has two limits, while rb has one. Granted, the floor might be lower, but the sealing is higher. Then again, because of strimer luck, your more likely to hit the sealing over the floor.
Just finished watching ur video from 4 months ago and I see there's a new one Seriously man u made me love Isaac again and u've become my favourite youtuber in the last couple months Love from Poland :D
Spindown dice IS crazy, no lie, i found it yesterday on a T Lilith run where i got it first treasure room and actually tried playing seriously with it (like pulling up a table to look up item Id with it and stuff) and ended with nearly one-shotting the beast with Tech X, C section, sacred heart. It's so good i think because it can cross item pools on the rerolls and you know exactly what you're getting.
You can just replace d infinity with spindown if you have glitched crown. It spins down one item and gives 4 rerolled items. Its just a 20% less rerolls and you get to do spindowns
With death cert early you gotta take glitched crown, it just guarantees you will get a good build. Rock bottom is good too if you already have a decent run and just wanna have fun. Spindown is good if you already have glitched crown, and if you already have an insane run or are late in the game you would probably take whatever tear effect is best with your build like sacred heart or c-section.
Sacred Heart It's not an insignificant stat increase. It will not ruin any potential synergies you find later. Homing is good. It's a here and now thing with no additional stipulations Glitched Crown is a contender, but I'd argue you're going for an item that gives you the potential to later find a carry. It's a significant increase in odds, but it's still possible to "fail" your rolls compared to a single guarantee. You get Rock Bottom either for the fun of it, or because you already have an item that maximizes its potential (camo undies, kidney stone, succubus, and any other item with significant stat increases for minimum conditions)
I personally would also choose Glitched Crown. Between that and Spindown Dice, it allows for the best possible runs, because it allows you to actually find as many items as possible and get the best possible ones, or in some cases, the most fun items.
Each week, each video, little by little, slow and steady, and with no break: Matt voice pitch is increasing. I'm afraid that in a few months he will break the sound barrier when he sees a brimstone
If i got death certificate i would always get c section because it synergizes well with almost everything, has good dps output, doesnt take years to charge (unless you have polyphemus), and also because it melts hush
can we talk about how even his bad pill rng is amazing? Matt got like 5 Shot speed downs from those 2 golden pills, which is actually amazing for Tech X specifically. And the experimental Treatment gave him a shot speed down as well lmao
I like it when Isaactubers take Rock Bottom or Sacred Orb the best, because I really love Rock Bottom synergies and Sacred Orb makes more fun items show up.
2:17 I'd choose Cursed Eye. Reason number 1: I personally like it. Reason number 2: Its a x5 to your damage, technically. Reason number 3: it gives me a reason to start beign good at the game, since it tp's me out of a room if I'm not good at TBoI
Floor 1 death cetificate depends on character imo. As the keepers i like to take 20/20 to remove the tears penalty of triple/quad shot, with both losts damocles, as tainted lost sometimes holy mantle because i dont trust myself and for the other characters its either between sacred orb, glitched crown or rock bottom
Items I would choose: #1 Glitched Crown #2 Sacred Orb #3 Spindown Dice #4 D Infinity (if I am not Isaac) #5 Sacred Heart or Brimstone (if I feel like getting it soon instead of late)
Thanks for the content man, I started playing this game very recently but watching your vids improve my rng drastically, just yesterday I got mom's knife with tech x and sacred heart and killed blue baby for the first time with it
A death certificate to rock bottom on first floor can be very strong, but it doesn't guarantee you an overpowered run as much as certain other items. Consider that such a run with rock bottom on 1st floor will only be as good as the items you get in succession. Glitched crown, spindown dice and sacred heart are items which can close to guarantee strong runs.
Armchair psychologist pov: You enjoy glitched crown because it's a gamble. You get more items in place of one without a guarantee that any of them are individually good. You've said multiple times through your videos that you're a gambling man, even when that bites you immediately after or later on. You're skilled enough that your choice doesn't matter, thankfully.
It depends on where the run is, for late run i would pick glitched crown or spindown, but in floor 1 i would absolutely pick rock bottom, so i could have a higher chance to get strong early on the run.
I definitely would pick Glitched Crown because if you get Glitched Crown this early in the game, you're probably gonna exhaust the item pool and get most items you need.
Since I mostly play The Forgor, which is an almost guaranteed win char imo, I feel I would go for gimmick related items with a first floor Death Certificate rather than items that give you a tremendous power spike. Also, next time this happens to you, get TM Trainer as the first item, no balls
First floor glitched crown immediately gives you enough options to rig yourself a rock bottom, a spindown, sacred heart, and a mega mush on the next three floors
using a secret room beggar with glitched crown on the blind floor would give me so much anxiety. u got mega mush but the other 4 items could have been r key, spindown, rock bottom, d infinity and then u wouldnt see those again for the rest of the run
Prolly either glitched crown or sacred orb. I like the idea of delaying my power spike for the run quality investment (which Rock Bottom provides as well I suppose, but I feel like these two have a much more direct impact)
Rock Bottom, Followed by Spindown (Or Spinup if you have that mod). Glitched crown runs get very boring to me quickly, as having it does drain the pool faster as well.
first floor death cert, i'd go with sacred orb. i personally just don't like glitched crown, i don't want to have to learn the pause trick or timing. sacred orb has a similar effect but without the complications glitched crown can have
Hey Matt, for Glitched Crown v Rock Bottom it's an easy choice for Glitched Crown, also, if you have Glitched Crown and see Spindown Dice, take Spindown Dice, it's just better.
Glitched Crown is 1st Place but only if you are Tainted Lost Every other character, Sacred Orb Spindown is deffinitly a 2nd Place tho regardless if you are Tainted Lost or not
I'm a rock bottom enjoyer, I think glitched crown is better and will lead to a crazier run but rock bottom just has so many quality of life buffs that make playing the game more fun. (no bad pills, bad items becoming good / broken etc.)
First floor death cert wise if it's not the average sacred heart or godhead or whatever else you'd think, it'd probably be fruitcake since it's my favourite item
First floor death certificate, my standard choice would be sacred heart. Depending on how I feel I’d take something else. If I feel like dealing with it I’d take glitched crown. If I was feeling like a specific run I’d take something like tech x or brim. If I felt like just seeing what the run wanted to give me I’d take rock bottom.
I pick up almond milk about half the time whenever I get a death certificate, first floor or not. It's just too much fun to not pick up. I love the zane.
I played modded yesterday and got a secret room on the second floor, and there was an item in there, but it was across a gap, I didn't bank on rerolling it, until I found how to jump by rerolling the treasure room, and with one of my last few batteries (I had gotten echo chamber earlier, so I had a bunch of batteries from 48 hour energy), I rerolled the secret room and got death certificate, got glitched crown, and what followed was an insane 1:30:00 run where I forgot the second key piece, but in chest I very luckily teleported to an angel and fought mega stan, leading to delirium, all the while getting other insane stuff like crystal key, leading to multiple ultra secret rooms and at one point I got a modded item that was practically a flamethrower, and got a bunch of split shots with eventually tractor beam and homing (due to sacred heart), at one point I messed up grabbing C Section but, honestly, I bet it would've screwed up the synergy
First floor death certificate is definitely broken, I feel like I'd need to think about what I'm gonna do and plan from there on but it would most likely be either glitched crown or god head cause I don't do many angels
"I'll take rock bottom" Takes glitched crown.
"I'll go basement" Goes downpour
such a mattman moment
“Why isn’t sacred heart popping up” Has sacred heart
actually he could get over 100 dmg on 1 floor just picking up rock bottom with mega mush
The fact he didn't take Host Hat when he had a Doctor Fetus just sitting there gave me pain beyond words
Same
how is he so good and so bad at the game at the same time
I felt my life energy drain
My skeleton spilt out of my skin when host hat and dr fetus were there
Same
Average LazyMatman start
average dead god start
@@lucasryanf7854 average every time start
A yes, gotta love that casual
Fate
Guppy's eye
Tech x
Death certificate
Mega mushroom start, totally average for Matt
Surprised he didnt get a first floor angel room
LOL
You have honestly become my most viewed channel within the last few weeks. just turning your shit on while doing other stuff is fantastic
Lazy Mattman
Thats what IVe been doing as well
Same
bro same
hey guys im other stuff
The fact this guy got Glitched crown floor 1 then blind 3 different floors is nothing short of incredible.
I prefer rock bottom. I think Glitched Crown gives you too many items to choose from, and you end up picking the same 10 op items every run you get it. It's still fun to watch, but it eliminates a lot of the randomness that makes isaac interesting.
LazyMattman: I'm going basement 2 because I always go downpour
Also LazyMattman: gets glitched crown
Also also LazyMattman: goes downpour anyway
I think I'd pick Glitched Crown or Spindown too! They allow you to almost pick and choose your items and in general give you so much room to work with
Next death certificate you should get sacred orb and see what's better for an op run
sacred orb not that op cus you gonna get a shit ton of low-tier q2 items. but glitched crown give a 5x chance to find good item
but on the other hand it guarantees you won't get the worst items in the game
it also doesn't give a chance to spawn a tmtrainer :(
@@wd_kxrxss plus you can get unluckily Lucky by getting two or more op items ( for example, brimstone and twister pair ) in the same cycle losing one of them guarantered, and you can miscalculate the timing to get the item, still the best item of the Game after death certificate
@@jajasking9652 i think missing q4 is not much of a problem, there's still enough gamebreaks, and if you want to get something that you missed, just reroll with genesis.
@@wd_kxrxss "just use genesis" *you just took brimstone from a devil deal bozo*
@@Drkekw yup and then what? im gonna cry or what
LITERALLY see the host hat in the crawl space at 9:48 Could have EASILY gotten DR Fetus if he picked that up.
True
Thought the same thing and cried
Host hat is a must for future bomba shenanigans
dr fetus just isnt fun imo
@@Drkekw fair enough bro... fair enough
Personally, with a first floor death certificate. Sacred orb would be the play bc it guarantees quality 3 & 4 items for the rest of the run.
if what you want is the ability to get OP items and not a hard carry item like sacred heart itself or anything than, glitched crown is the best for that. I've have experience with both so ik, gltiched crown provides so many more opportunities than sacred orb.
glitched crown is very similar in that regard if not better.
i agree
If I got 1st floor dc I think I would just go for Isaac’s heart or Bob’s brain, gotta be the best items that deserve to be q4
For me is definitely hushy 😂😂😂
i would go for the poop
Nah, nah, nah, nah…. You gotta take mega bean though
Host hat, Rock Bottom, Dr. Fetus in the SAME FLOOR:
Matman: "Give me Lil'Brimmy"
I will always take Sacred Heart , it just makes you feel so secure. And any build can't go wrong with it.
Glitched Crown is literally the best item in the game, Breaks your game at every part pf the game and gives you whatever item you want
Honestly since i started isaac not long ago, from what i've seen, glitched crown has better potential, but rock bottom will in rare cases cause an absolute BANGER run.
to be fair it's too easy to get rock bottom with glitched crown anyways
I love your videos fr, for the last like 5 days(? I've been on youtube only watching your channel, is just wayyy too good!!, love from Chile
You see Host Hat in the Crawl Space knowing you have Dr.Fetus and decide to go for Conjoined instead, crying
Honestly in a first floor death certificate. I would play safe with Sacred Heart.
Like cmon, it's Sacred Heart.
Nah, glitched crown Will almost guarantered you a way, better run than sacred heart, i had once a run with chaos in shop and then first floor sacred heart, but the rest of the run was pretty bad, i barely beated the run, yes, sacred heart really can Carry a run, but glitched crown is straight Up a guarantered op run
sacred orb tho
@@LargeMetalCube Bobs Brain tho
@@elijahonasile666 brother bobby tho
id honestly grab sacred orb from death certificate. will give better stuff on the long run but thats probably just me
5:54 💀 having curse of unknown and curse of labyrinth is literally backrooms
The biggest brainer would know that taking rock bottom in this run over glitched crown would not be the play because then you would not be able to lower your shot speed for tech x.
"I wanna go basement"
Goes alt path... Classic mattman
2:54 my answer is magic mush
I always choose tm trainer from death cert since it usually turns out in the most fun runs even if I lose
If so got Death Certificate, 100% C Section. Thing is so good at synergizing and carries runs.
you make me want to ply isaac everytime i watch your videos thank you
While I think that it's basically a tie, from my personal feelings I do think rock bottom wins. Basically I think of it like this, both glitched crown and rock bottom make the ensuing items better, there's more of a limit to how glitched crown can make your items better, which is breakfasting. Meanwhile, rock bottom doesn't have this downside. The limit with rock bottom is crashing, which is also a possibility with gc. So gc has two limits, while rb has one. Granted, the floor might be lower, but the sealing is higher. Then again, because of strimer luck, your more likely to hit the sealing over the floor.
Just finished watching ur video from 4 months ago and I see there's a new one
Seriously man u made me love Isaac again and u've become my favourite youtuber in the last couple months
Love from Poland :D
Spindown dice IS crazy, no lie, i found it yesterday on a T Lilith run where i got it first treasure room and actually tried playing seriously with it (like pulling up a table to look up item Id with it and stuff) and ended with nearly one-shotting the beast with Tech X, C section, sacred heart. It's so good i think because it can cross item pools on the rerolls and you know exactly what you're getting.
You can just replace d infinity with spindown if you have glitched crown.
It spins down one item and gives 4 rerolled items. Its just a 20% less rerolls and you get to do spindowns
Sacred orb would probably the the play for me since it guarantees OP items for the rest of the run and doesn't exhaust the item pools
With death cert early you gotta take glitched crown, it just guarantees you will get a good build. Rock bottom is good too if you already have a decent run and just wanna have fun. Spindown is good if you already have glitched crown, and if you already have an insane run or are late in the game you would probably take whatever tear effect is best with your build like sacred heart or c-section.
i agree with your glitched crown take, it’s my favorite item, but on the FIRST FLOOR i would pick rock bottom
Sacred Heart
It's not an insignificant stat increase. It will not ruin any potential synergies you find later. Homing is good. It's a here and now thing with no additional stipulations
Glitched Crown is a contender, but I'd argue you're going for an item that gives you the potential to later find a carry. It's a significant increase in odds, but it's still possible to "fail" your rolls compared to a single guarantee.
You get Rock Bottom either for the fun of it, or because you already have an item that maximizes its potential (camo undies, kidney stone, succubus, and any other item with significant stat increases for minimum conditions)
I personally would also choose Glitched Crown. Between that and Spindown Dice, it allows for the best possible runs, because it allows you to actually find as many items as possible and get the best possible ones, or in some cases, the most fun items.
Each week, each video, little by little, slow and steady, and with no break: Matt voice pitch is increasing.
I'm afraid that in a few months he will break the sound barrier when he sees a brimstone
Oops I forgor to watch Mattman before sleep
Also funny screams:
0:27 1:28 2:29 2:33 6:02 8:25
MATTMAAAAAN, TAKE DEAD ONION, MATTMAAAAAN, YOU HAVE TECH X, MATTMAN NOOO DONT TAKE PROPTOSIS
6:01 the best reaction i even see
If i got death certificate i would always get c section because it synergizes well with almost everything, has good dps output, doesnt take years to charge (unless you have polyphemus), and also because it melts hush
can we talk about how even his bad pill rng is amazing? Matt got like 5 Shot speed downs from those 2 golden pills, which is actually amazing for Tech X specifically. And the experimental Treatment gave him a shot speed down as well lmao
the scream at 6:02 is perfection
Glad I found this content creator, Sinvicta was getting boring🤷♂️🔥
Lady luck is really on your side.
Subbed.
#1 Glitched crown
#2 Spindown
#3 Sacred Orb
#4 Rock bottom (if early floors)
#5 Sacred heart (become 4th if late in the game)
2:16
#1 glitched crown
#2 r key
#3 sd dice
#4 d infinity
#5 rock bottom
#6 echo chamber
#7 mega mush
Gets glitched crown instead of rock bottom
*Mega mush spawns*
if he went rock bottom he wouldn't have gotten mega mush
I like it when Isaactubers take Rock Bottom or Sacred Orb the best, because I really love Rock Bottom synergies and Sacred Orb makes more fun items show up.
i always watch you when i drink my morning coffee and i love your content it makes my day thank you for such awesome content
2:17 I'd choose Cursed Eye. Reason number 1: I personally like it. Reason number 2: Its a x5 to your damage, technically. Reason number 3: it gives me a reason to start beign good at the game, since it tp's me out of a room if I'm not good at TBoI
Floor 1 death cetificate depends on character imo. As the keepers i like to take 20/20 to remove the tears penalty of triple/quad shot, with both losts damocles, as tainted lost sometimes holy mantle because i dont trust myself and for the other characters its either between sacred orb, glitched crown or rock bottom
Items I would choose:
#1 Glitched Crown
#2 Sacred Orb
#3 Spindown Dice
#4 D Infinity (if I am not Isaac)
#5 Sacred Heart or Brimstone (if I feel like getting it soon instead of late)
I would take MONSTRO'S LUNG the BEST ITEM in the GAME
Thanks for the content man, I started playing this game very recently but watching your vids improve my rng drastically, just yesterday I got mom's knife with tech x and sacred heart and killed blue baby for the first time with it
A death certificate to rock bottom on first floor can be very strong, but it doesn't guarantee you an overpowered run as much as certain other items. Consider that such a run with rock bottom on 1st floor will only be as good as the items you get in succession. Glitched crown, spindown dice and sacred heart are items which can close to guarantee strong runs.
Glitched crown is the best item in the game, if you have it, even if you're halfway through the run, you've won
I think first floor eucharist might be a good idea, you practically guaranteed to get some good angel items especially with rerolls
(you would probably want goat head instead)
Armchair psychologist pov: You enjoy glitched crown because it's a gamble. You get more items in place of one without a guarantee that any of them are individually good. You've said multiple times through your videos that you're a gambling man, even when that bites you immediately after or later on. You're skilled enough that your choice doesn't matter, thankfully.
I've watched only first 6 minutes and Matt already satisfied my ears with da screams
My lil bro liked the ending so much he started dancing on the floor very fast when Matt was shooting
I usually take sacred orb if it’s early, since it pays out a ton, or glitched crown for obvious reasons
It depends on where the run is, for late run i would pick glitched crown or spindown, but in floor 1 i would absolutely pick rock bottom, so i could have a higher chance to get strong early on the run.
I definitely would pick Glitched Crown because if you get Glitched Crown this early in the game, you're probably gonna exhaust the item pool and get most items you need.
Since I mostly play The Forgor, which is an almost guaranteed win char imo, I feel I would go for gimmick related items with a first floor Death Certificate rather than items that give you a tremendous power spike.
Also, next time this happens to you, get TM Trainer as the first item, no balls
First floor glitched crown immediately gives you enough options to rig yourself a rock bottom, a spindown, sacred heart, and a mega mush on the next three floors
you know its good when grandma is spazzing out on the floor
First Floor Secret Rooms Be Like
“d inf is the best item in the game” - matt in his tier list
Could’ve picked up fetus and then the host hat from the crawl space :,(
first floor dealth certificate: Glitched crown, cause you get 1 pedestal and you get 5 items, so just farm secret rooms for a rock bottom
12:20 feather glitching saved him so he can do satan
using a secret room beggar with glitched crown on the blind floor would give me so much anxiety. u got mega mush but the other 4 items could have been r key, spindown, rock bottom, d infinity and then u wouldnt see those again for the rest of the run
That magical moment when 3.50 damage in void after 50 min of midmaxing and getting the worst posible items, lose and then this pops in
Unbelievable the luck you have, honestly makes the vids so enjoyable so hope you get more lucky (if that's even possible at this point)
Prolly either glitched crown or sacred orb. I like the idea of delaying my power spike for the run quality investment (which Rock Bottom provides as well I suppose, but I feel like these two have a much more direct impact)
Also you should always take kidney stone because if you get rock bottom it's literally soy milk level tears with no downsides.
:) lol this is like the third comment of mine in a row that’s gotten a heart from mat man, i always feel like you really listen to your fans :)
this is a certified lazy mattman moment
i love your vids my dude
Dude the chests in the dark room don't disappear as the lost if you only open one of them, you could've checked and rerolled them one at a time
GAHHH WHY DID YOU ROLL DAMOCLES
unforgivable
still love you tho
Rock Bottom, Followed by Spindown (Or Spinup if you have that mod). Glitched crown runs get very boring to me quickly, as having it does drain the pool faster as well.
I wanna hear him yell i cant
Just watched the whole video without sound 😄 best vid yet, God run.
I am being new to the channel and to the game itself, and i already love it alot
first floor death cert, i'd go with sacred orb. i personally just don't like glitched crown, i don't want to have to learn the pause trick or timing. sacred orb has a similar effect but without the complications glitched crown can have
Hey Matt, for Glitched Crown v Rock Bottom it's an easy choice for Glitched Crown, also, if you have Glitched Crown and see Spindown Dice, take Spindown Dice, it's just better.
Bruh i thought you had a stroke when saying death certificate for death certificate 💀
the first two minutes: i'll go to basement 2 i never go to basement 2
the third minute: *goes downpour*
Glitched Crown is 1st Place but only if you are Tainted Lost
Every other character, Sacred Orb
Spindown is deffinitly a 2nd Place tho regardless if you are Tainted Lost or not
I'm a rock bottom enjoyer, I think glitched crown is better and will lead to a crazier run but rock bottom just has so many quality of life buffs that make playing the game more fun. (no bad pills, bad items becoming good / broken etc.)
First floor death cert wise if it's not the average sacred heart or godhead or whatever else you'd think, it'd probably be fruitcake since it's my favourite item
First floor death certificate, my standard choice would be sacred heart.
Depending on how I feel I’d take something else. If I feel like dealing with it I’d take glitched crown. If I was feeling like a specific run I’d take something like tech x or brim. If I felt like just seeing what the run wanted to give me I’d take rock bottom.
I pick up almond milk about half the time whenever I get a death certificate, first floor or not. It's just too much fun to not pick up.
I love the zane.
I played modded yesterday and got a secret room on the second floor, and there was an item in there, but it was across a gap, I didn't bank on rerolling it, until I found how to jump by rerolling the treasure room, and with one of my last few batteries (I had gotten echo chamber earlier, so I had a bunch of batteries from 48 hour energy), I rerolled the secret room and got death certificate, got glitched crown, and what followed was an insane 1:30:00 run where I forgot the second key piece, but in chest I very luckily teleported to an angel and fought mega stan, leading to delirium, all the while getting other insane stuff like crystal key, leading to multiple ultra secret rooms and at one point I got a modded item that was practically a flamethrower, and got a bunch of split shots with eventually tractor beam and homing (due to sacred heart), at one point I messed up grabbing C Section but, honestly, I bet it would've screwed up the synergy
First floor death certificate is definitely broken, I feel like I'd need to think about what I'm gonna do and plan from there on but it would most likely be either glitched crown or god head cause I don't do many angels
the game gave matt three blind floors in a row, yet he still became op
I’ve played Isaac officially for 500+ hours! (still haven’t gotten dead god yet lol)
matt contemplating if he should take holy mantle as the lost:
As "the lost" satanic bible isn´t a bad choice too, you can start with devil items immediatley, that would be a fun run too. Full Devil Deal Run