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Recoil is going to differ between the shotguns not only because of weight, but a pistol grip on a shotgun is going to cause more muzzle flip due to a much higher bore axis. Some will argue with me on this, but you can’t cheat physics. I own an original 1301 Tactical and it has been fantastic. It will shoot the lightest trap loads or 00Buck without issue.
Jonathan! Got a big ask since you’re doing shotguns. I’m moving to SE Alaska and plan to carry a semiauto quite a bit when I’m out on my rural property. I’m leaning towards the mossberg 930 SPX, 940 tactical, and the 1301 MD2. Yes sir you guessed it! Side by side compare and contrast video??? Regardless, you rock sir!
I have the Beretta 1301 Tactical Version I. It is the fastest, softest shooting 12 gauge I have ever shot. I'd probably trade it in or sell it to get the Mod 2 for the upgrades.
If you are fairly new to shotguns I encourage you to take the Haught’s course, Symtac consulting. They are the best. They have a recoil management technique that totally changed my experience, and I have been shooting shotguns for 50 years.
so no one is going to say what the technique is????? could it be the 70% / 30% ? push out with the front hand grip 70% and pull with back hand grip 30%?
Already own a 1301 and an A300! They don’t need any mods. They are flawless right from the factory as they were intended! I have had zero issues with either.
Ya people especially in the USA like firearms you can tinker with. They like glocks and replace every single part for $1000 extra and are still left with a pistol worse than a vp9 straight from the factory.
Instead of a shell carrier get heavy duty velcro and put a shotgun card for your shells on it. You can also add another another shotgun card on the off side of your stock.
My understanding is vangcomp won't port the 1301 because it has a chrome lined barrel. As a machinist it is definitely possible to port a chrome lined barrel however vangcomp may not have the equipment or the willingness to do it. Do things the wrong way and the chrome could chip off the inside of the barrel.
@@supertruckertom that would be my 1st pick. I don't know all the ins and outs of an edm so i dont know if they are any cons to it in this application. But i know it would have no issue putting the holes in. Diamond, cbn, and pcd tooling can also cut chrome but because you're actually cutting it away there's pressure from the tool amd so possible chipping of the chrome. Being a tube you naturally have to start on the outside and go in pushing the chrome away from the barrel. If you could start on the inside and go out that would be best for the chrome.
I have a Gen 2 Langdon 1301, and I like it. It's operates on the blink system. I also have benelli M4s, and the benelli is time tested and battle proven. It is different from the 1301 in the sense that it operates more like a rifle as its a has operating system kinda like an AR. That's partly what's attributed to its g Huge success as a combat shotgun. The shape and design if you look at it the tube for the stock serves as a buffer tube where the rear arm of the bolt gets pushed back into the tube in the same way that a AR does. The only real difference is it doesn't have detachable magazines like an AR-15 rifle it's got the load tube. You can get a benelli M4 with the night sights, extended mag tube, and collapsible stock. You have to get sku numbers 11715, 11796, 11732, and 11733. 11732 and 11733 are the Gen 2 versions. 11796 and 11733 are the marine H20 finish versions. Ask me how I know because I have all those except the 11733 and was told it's not exactly the same finish as the Gen 1 H20 models. Hope that helps. I do like my and in general the 1301, but I have to say I have a soft spot for the benelli M4. I will say, though, there's no denying how fast the 1301 cycles.
I was on the fence between the standard stock and the Mesa Tactical. While I was trying to decide, I got an email announcing the 1301 Mod 2. I went to the gun store that morning and ordered the Mod 2 with the Mesa Tactical stock in FDE. I’ve only run a few hundred rounds of LE slugs through it so far, but it’s pretty slick. My favorite shotgun so far, by quite a bit. The lifter, trigger, and foregrip is definitely worth it over the original 1301.
I have the original and my trigger pull center of the curved trigger is right at 4.5 placing the gauge a bit lower on the trigger it was right at 4 pounds
I have a first gen FDE, the Nordic components is the best tube extension. it add 2 shell capacity and adds metal picatinny rails in the front got attachments, plus a slot for a quick release sling.
Excellent video, thanks. I just got my 1301 Tac mod 2, and am getting it set up. In your video, you mention the problem wherein the QD sling swivel does not index or stay in the QD hole on the barrel clamp. I had the same problem. So I called Beretta, expressed my complaint, and asked if there were similar complaints. The CS rep replied that there were no other similar complaints but said he would send me a replacement barrel clamp/QD base. Two replacement barrel clamps arrived from Beretta and guess what, they both malfunctioned, with three different QD sling swivels. If you shine a light into the QD hole you can plainly see that there is no detent for the QD balls to index into. I would offer that Beretta does have a factory defect and is just not recognizing it. Other than that it is a great gun.
Nice review! I'm the last guy I know to have the "Mod 1" of the 1301 Tactical so I was a bit bummed to see a Mod 2 now. But my later version of the original has most of the good stuff and I'm not too concerned about the capacity. In fact I'm sticking with the 5 round tube because it's shorter and lighter and because I have a Steiner WML that screws into the end of the tube. I could see getting a Mod 2 down the road but even if I do I'll keep the one I already have.
I have carried a 1301 on and off duty. Two years ago I would have said the LTT upgrades were worth the extra $$, but they have gone with inferior parts and are no longer installing the Aridus Industries parts which are far superior and bomb proof without reducing their prices to reflect the cheaper parts. As you are beginning your shotgun journey, I strongly suggest taking a class or two from some real pros like 360 Performance Shooting or Symtac. Learn Push Pull and you eliminate recoil without trying to buy gadgets to not quite replace skill.
I bought the A300 patrol about a year ago and perfectly happy with it, no problems. Kicked it around for a while before buying it rather than the 1301 and not sorry. put that $6-700 savings in ammo ! If you need power take the Benelli SBE with a short barrel and put a mag ext tube on it, 3 1/2 “ 00 buck are not even in the same league as any other 00 buck load ! Coyotes at 70-80,yds are no match! Yeah, they kick more, but you don’t get more power without a price. To me the SBE is the simplest operating system there is.
I know you like accessories, the shell carrier for all my tactical shotguns I use a velcro card. Can mount to any shotgun on the receiver - left side, and stock - right side for right handers, also you can use cards from another shotgun so it crosses all your gear and is light weight and wont shatter if you drop it like a polymer or aluminum can bend. Esstac Shotgun Cards makes one but there are others. Can have 23 rounds on your gun with 2- 8 loops plus the 7 in the mag of the 1301. Can carry spares with ammo and just peel off empties and stick full ones to replace. Pretty slick in the tactical world. Two 8 round cards adds a significant (noticeable) amount of weight to the rear of the gun. ie helps with recoil.
I wish they would make the front sling mount out of aluminum. My gen 1 mount came off after several practice sessions learning the Symtac recoil mitigation technique. Also, I like the out of the way lifter.
I never got a shot off before I dropped it on the concrete because the sling adaptor popped out of the hole. Fortunately the front sight took most of the hit and just knocked off the finish. I have never had a metal one let loose in twenty years of sling work in Palma. It worked well once I worked it around for 5 minutes and it has never let loose again. Still, dropping your brand new gun sucks.
@@dirtcurt1 ouch, that had to hurt. I was learning the Haughts technique, and one day I was doing rapid fire tests. That’s when the mount popped off. I don’t really understand why Beretta made the choice to put plastic on a gun barrel.
Definitely want to see the review of the kickoff system. Also, some of the things shown as new were on the second version of the first 1301s. The bolt release and extended magazine with the qd barrel clamp. I’m not sure what version Beretta is calling those exactly. The big three differences are the fore end, trigger, and the pro lifter. I met a guy with sheriff deputy with a SBS 1301. With the blink gas’s system being so fast it was not an issue. I spoke to some guys at Freedom Trading in Vegas two years ago (2022) who said Vang Comp would probably port them in the future as well.
The kickoff system, especially the 2nd iteration they had of it, is awesome. With birdshot you can't tell much of a difference, but the heavier stuff you put through it, the better it works. For sure worth the extra. Source: Shotgun instructor(target, hunting and defensive.) 300k+ rounds down range with beretta shotguns alone.
i sold my gen 2 to get the mod 2. like all the upgrades, can’t wait for the recoil insert to come out to try it out. i personally didn’t have any problems with the recoil of the gen 2. for being so light, the recoil was minimal. the only real problem i had was, gen 2 was $1200 and came with a hard case, mod 2, was $1600…no hard case…really beretta?
Dang, for the price, you would think they would provide a halfway decent plastic case rather than a cardboard box. It wouldn’t even need to be waterproof. I think I would go for the A300 patrol if given the choice, but that’s just my opinion.
@@TacticalToolbox Personally, I would go with EssTac velcro side saddles. Those hard side saddles will damage your receiver over time with the recoil. Unless it's one of the hard side saddles that is a one piece with the picatinny rail. PS: To clarify: the screws to install a side saddle will damage the receiver over time.
Recoil moves you off target. It is not about taking it. It is about controlling it. I am a big muscular guy, but a pro shooter is going to control the recoil to stay on target better despite being possibly physically weaker. Experience is everything in the shooting world.
I bought a Gen 2 in January and the handguard didn't have any m-locks. Didn't really matter to me though since I put a Briley on it. What a fun gun to shoot!
I had a similar problem with sling swivels pulling loose on a rifle, I switched to Magpul, worked fine. Try a few different brands until you find one that locks in
I got a Turk-Etta about 3 yrs ago It's a Rock Island It's not a clone, but it's gas operated. Parts availability is limited - So I bought two of them and I still saved $$ compared to a Beretta I like it - Good so far My only complain t is that the 18.5" barrel doesn't come with threaded barrel for chokes.
The new gen m4 has the larger bolt release & charging handle and full size mag tube out of the box..... it also has a new/different collapsible stock too and an interesting hand guard
I have 1000 rounds through my 1301 original. Bird shot, double ought, slugs - nothing failed to fire. MUCH lighter recoil than my M2. Have not fired the M4. Been thinking about adding the Mod 2, but can’t see spending the money for such minor changes that I could accomplish in upgrades on my own, if I wanted them.
i've watched your videos for a few years now, Thank you for all the work you put into them. Right now I'm wanting to get an A300 Ultima Patrol but waiting for the prices to go down or them to come back in stock at places that aren't charging over 1k. I would love to get one of these 1301 Mod2s in FDE but i don't think i can justify the price. I saw the Panzer m4 on PSA, decided to watch a bunch of videos, which lead me to the A300 and 1301. If i can get my hands on some of these just to see how they feel that would be the best place to start. Thanks again for all your videos and keep up the good work!!!
It certainly is tempting to go with the 1301, however just because of the history I think I'll still go with Benalli M4. Definitely is a sexy shotgun though.
My first gen didn't cycle lighter loads until I ran about 40-50 slugs/heavy game loads. Now it cycles everything without issue. Mod 2 upgrades are really the options I wanted in my gen 1 but weren't available. I maintained my factory handguard because it feels much better than the Magpul handguard.
Hello friend, I bought myself 1301 yesterday, the first version. However, there was a 2nd version in the store, I looked at it, but I did not understand the purpose of the loading spoon of the spoon staying down, so I bought mode 1, thinking there was not much difference, now I regret it a little when I see this video. I will buy mixed grammage cartridges for myself. Can it shoot single lead loads between 28 and 50 gr without any problems? What advice would you give me?
Recommend watching Tim Chandler or Rob Haught's discussion about the push pull technique used to mitigate recoil. I believe TFB TV had a video about this as well.
Great review. I would love to see you review an often overlooked but amazing tactical shotgun …the FNH SLP (self loading police) 12gage. It is my go to for home defense. It’s also great for competition with a few upgrades. I also have a couple custom benelli m-2’s and my work horse for competition is my custom Remington 11-87
I don't like pistol grips on shotguns. This would be my go to over a benelli, also the round count on the benelli is import restrictions. Curious how berreta got around that.
From what I understand, the Grovetech qd mount is full rotation. If you want an anti-rotation version, check out the Noveske flush mount QD. Same thing, but anti-rotation.
I bought a comp pro model 1301 a couple years ago for under 1500. It’s a really nice shotgun. It does have the kickoff system in its stock. I’m not sure how much better the kickoff system is than just adding a limb saver or similar butt pad, but it does help a bit with the recoil.
My brother and I picked up Turkish 12 gauge semi autos from Gun Broker for $129 in 2022. (NOT a typo...$129! Dickinson model) They looked a lot like this but black. They are fun to speed run some shells through! We noticed that high FPS shells are needed to ensure they cycle. Must use shells +1300 FPS.
I have 1301 tactical with pistol grip the older version . I don't feel the recoil is anything to be concerned with. .Maybe the different stocks make a difference. I have no trigger time with those to compare. Also wanted to say that I have used Magpul push button QD on mine no issues and used a uncle Mike's quick detach on the mesa stock . Works good for me. And I know the lifter upgrade is available on mod 2 but I really don't see the need for it. Toughen up load your shotgun/and its a 12 gauge not a 410 there might be some recoil....depending on what you think recoil is.....personally I think if you have the green roll on any of them they are the cats meow..
My understanding is you can still ghost load it. The lifter only raises to that position when the bolt OSS locked back. So if you release the bolt and then pull it back you can still drop a shell in like any other semiauto. I haven’t done it myself, but I did find a video somewhere on YT of somebody doing on the new mod2.
THANKS FOR ANOTHER GREAT VIDEO! THE BERETTA 1301 IS EASIER TO CARRY AROUND ALL DAY OR ON LONG RANGE SESSIONS. THE LIGHT WEIGHT AND BALANCE, ALLOWS YOU TO CARRY 12 SHELLS ON CARRIERS AND SIX SHELLS IN THE TUBE WITHOUT THE WEIGHT SLOWING TRANSITION HANDLING. THE "PUSH PULL" TECHNIQUE CAN HELP MANAGE THE RECOIL OF BUCK SHOT AND SLUGS. A CHOICE OF LIGHT LOADS AT UP TO 1325 FPS WILL ALSO LIMIT RECOIL. 9 PELLET #00 BUCKSHOT EXAMPLES: SELLIER & BELLOT SB12BSG BX (1214FPS) OR FIOCCHI 12EX9P BX (1250FPS). ☺ALL CAPS BECAUSE I'M HEARING, ACUITY AND KEYBOARD CHALLENGED.
Thank you for explaining where the stock QD mount is! When scanning the QR code to access the manual on the Beretta website, it pulls up a general list of manuals to choose from, including the “1301 line,” which does not appear to include the newer mod 2 version. Great video!!
Thanks for showing and sharing this info with us.. Alot of great info with all of this shotgun... I love beretta.. Always have... I am really impressed with this shotgun.... Thank Brother GOD BLESS
Finally got an email from LTT and jumped on it today lol. Been waiting for them to stock back up for weeks now. I got the bronze. Just bought a a300 3 days ago and haven't shot it yet. Also have the 940 pro with red dot which I love. But I'm hoping the ltt 1301 will be worth it.
I have the gen 2 in bronze and love it. Might be bougie but also have a Eotech HWS on it but that’s cause I have a HWS on everything except my bolt guns. Trying to find the pro lifter in stock to upgrade.
Just bought an M4 a few days ago...Was lucky enough to find one with a collapsible stock and Mil tube. Thing FEELS like a combat shotgun, not some cheap piece of plastic or a hunting shotgun. Best shotgun Ive owned for combat.
I have the original I got for $800. I agree the magpul handgaurd has no grip texture. The new wolf gray model just looks amazing. I might have to get one. But now they are $1800 vs $800. Ouch
TFB TV channel , James takes a class with Matt Haught (Master shotgun champion) w/ Ernest Langdon of Langdon Tactical, Matt demonstrates how to hold the shotgun in a Push>
There are now new Benelli M4 gen 2's that now come with the bigger charging handle and 7 round tube out the gate for civilians on the market in the $2k range.
I have a brand new 1301 tactical mod 2. The documentation states the magazine will hold 7-2.75 inch shells. I have 7-2.5 inch shells (measured) but can only load 6 in the magazine, any idea why? Or am I missing something Answer: I spoke with Beretta this morning and they told me the spring is just tight. It should loosen up after I shoot a number of rounds to it since it’s brand spanking new we’ll see.
Actually what a lot of people don't know is that the original 1301 tactical already came with MLok on the barrel clamp. I have my Surefire Scout mounted to that.
Problem! The install QD mount is a 360 degree rotation . The shotgun will end up falling to the upside down, and you will be looking at your loading gate. Hopefully the mfg will make a new non full rotation. Love your style, and no BS ego!!!! Thank you!!!!
Mesa Tactical has a butt stock for the 1301 that has a shock absorber in it that you can also purchase and it is fantastic for someone that has bad shoulders. Something to look into.
One of your best reviews I have seen.Great job outta you. I went with the 1301 due to the fact I have shorter arm length and a lot of shot guns have a pretty substantial LOP. The 1301 out of the box fit me like a glove. . Really fine firearm. I have a Gen 1 and I am thinking about getting the Gen 2. Love the upgrade on the stock.The same texture that comes om the A 300 and it rocks. I dont know if that alone warrents another , but would love to have one in green or FDE as well. The gas system is actually the fastest cycle on the market. I bought the Mesa tactical pistol grip and it has lightend the recoil substantialy .They also have a butt pad that works amazing as well if you dont want the pistol grip. Again great review
Wanted to get your opinion. I own a decked out Benelli M4 but am curious about the LTT 1301 (mod 2) they call Gen 3. Is there enough differences between the shotguns to translate into a new experience or do you think they are “interchangeably” similar? Both are/would be range toys.
Is it a fixed choke? If it is not - which chokes did you use for 00 and for slugs? I think m1014 comes in fixed modified only which probably eliminate the possibility of using slugs (m4 seems to come threaded for chokes, but m1014 is fixed modified)
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I think the MOD 2 has just about everything you want in a defensive shotgun!
Recoil is going to differ between the shotguns not only because of weight, but a pistol grip on a shotgun is going to cause more muzzle flip due to a much higher bore axis. Some will argue with me on this, but you can’t cheat physics.
I own an original 1301 Tactical and it has been fantastic. It will shoot the lightest trap loads or 00Buck without issue.
Jonathan! Got a big ask since you’re doing shotguns. I’m moving to SE Alaska and plan to carry a semiauto quite a bit when I’m out on my rural property. I’m leaning towards the mossberg 930 SPX, 940 tactical, and the 1301 MD2. Yes sir you guessed it! Side by side compare and contrast video??? Regardless, you rock sir!
11:35 shooting a very heavy load🤣🤣🤣
If you are going to get an Benelli M4, get the LE version which already has 7 round tube for 2K
Just got the Beretta A300 Ultima Patrol. Not a 1301 Mod 2 but for the money(sub $1000) but it's pretty good!
Where'd you find it for sub 1k?
✳️Love my A 300 Tactical.!✳️👍
B&P if Italia makes dank ammo with the Gordon system. It has slightly less felt recoil.
@@ryanjofreI’m able to fit 7 in the tube with federal flight control
@@Floopuss It that what it’s spec’d for? That’s great. Congratulations on the shotgun! 🙏🙏🇺🇸🇺🇸🇮🇱🇮🇱
I have a 1301 Mod.2 and have put a bunch of light game loads through it of various manufacturers. No failures at all.
I have the Beretta 1301 Tactical Version I. It is the fastest, softest shooting 12 gauge I have ever shot. I'd probably trade it in or sell it to get the Mod 2 for the upgrades.
If you are fairly new to shotguns I encourage you to take the Haught’s course, Symtac consulting. They are the best. They have a recoil management technique that totally changed my experience, and I have been shooting shotguns for 50 years.
I managed to (mostly) teach myself this technique. I need more practice, but it works.
Old techniques resurfaced. Found also in Robert Churchill's Game Shooting. Seems like a good class.
Thanks for sharing the info!
Tfb did a video with Haught and I’m surprised the technique hasn’t exploded. I’m not surprised to hear it’s an old technique. It makes sense.
so no one is going to say what the technique is????? could it be the 70% / 30% ? push out with the front hand grip 70% and pull with back hand grip 30%?
Already own a 1301 and an A300! They don’t need any mods. They are flawless right from the factory as they were intended! I have had zero issues with either.
Wrong.
Beretta thought otherwise😅
Strange comment.. I disbelieve
Ya people especially in the USA like firearms you can tinker with. They like glocks and replace every single part for $1000 extra and are still left with a pistol worse than a vp9 straight from the factory.
Who wouldn’t want QD sling swivels, a flashlight and more cartridges in the tube 🤷♂️
Instead of a shell carrier get heavy duty velcro and put a shotgun card for your shells on it. You can also add another another shotgun card on the off side of your stock.
My understanding is vangcomp won't port the 1301 because it has a chrome lined barrel. As a machinist it is definitely possible to port a chrome lined barrel however vangcomp may not have the equipment or the willingness to do it. Do things the wrong way and the chrome could chip off the inside of the barrel.
Would EDM be the best method?
@@supertruckertom that would be my 1st pick. I don't know all the ins and outs of an edm so i dont know if they are any cons to it in this application. But i know it would have no issue putting the holes in. Diamond, cbn, and pcd tooling can also cut chrome but because you're actually cutting it away there's pressure from the tool amd so possible chipping of the chrome. Being a tube you naturally have to start on the outside and go in pushing the chrome away from the barrel. If you could start on the inside and go out that would be best for the chrome.
I would love to see the effect of ported barrel.
Carlson choke tubes has a choke/brake combo that screws into the 1301.
I have a Gen 2 Langdon 1301, and I like it. It's operates on the blink system. I also have benelli M4s, and the benelli is time tested and battle proven. It is different from the 1301 in the sense that it operates more like a rifle as its a has operating system kinda like an AR. That's partly what's attributed to its g
Huge success as a combat shotgun. The shape and design if you look at it the tube for the stock serves as a buffer tube where the rear arm of the bolt gets pushed back into the tube in the same way that a AR does. The only real difference is it doesn't have detachable magazines like an AR-15 rifle it's got the load tube. You can get a benelli M4 with the night sights, extended mag tube, and collapsible stock. You have to get sku numbers 11715, 11796, 11732, and 11733. 11732 and 11733 are the Gen 2 versions. 11796 and 11733 are the marine H20 finish versions. Ask me how I know because I have all those except the 11733 and was told it's not exactly the same finish as the Gen 1 H20 models. Hope that helps. I do like my and in general the 1301, but I have to say I have a soft spot for the benelli M4. I will say, though, there's no denying how fast the 1301 cycles.
Beretta owns Benelli, and I've met numerous people who own both, and almost all of them have said the 1301 is superior to the M4
I was on the fence between the standard stock and the Mesa Tactical. While I was trying to decide, I got an email announcing the 1301 Mod 2. I went to the gun store that morning and ordered the Mod 2 with the Mesa Tactical stock in FDE. I’ve only run a few hundred rounds of LE slugs through it so far, but it’s pretty slick. My favorite shotgun so far, by quite a bit. The lifter, trigger, and foregrip is definitely worth it over the original 1301.
I love your videos! You do a great job breaking down everything about a certain firearm. Thank you!
I have the original and my trigger pull center of the curved trigger is right at 4.5 placing the gauge a bit lower on the trigger it was right at 4 pounds
I have a first gen FDE, the Nordic components is the best tube extension. it add 2 shell capacity and adds metal picatinny rails in the front got attachments, plus a slot for a quick release sling.
Excellent video, thanks. I just got my 1301 Tac mod 2, and am getting it set up. In your video, you mention the problem wherein the QD sling swivel does not index or stay in the QD hole on the barrel clamp. I had the same problem. So I called Beretta, expressed my complaint, and asked if there were similar complaints. The CS rep replied that there were no other similar complaints but said he would send me a replacement barrel clamp/QD base. Two replacement barrel clamps arrived from Beretta and guess what, they both malfunctioned, with three different QD sling swivels. If you shine a light into the QD hole you can plainly see that there is no detent for the QD balls to index into. I would offer that Beretta does have a factory defect and is just not recognizing it. Other than that it is a great gun.
Nice review! I'm the last guy I know to have the "Mod 1" of the 1301 Tactical so I was a bit bummed to see a Mod 2 now. But my later version of the original has most of the good stuff and I'm not too concerned about the capacity. In fact I'm sticking with the 5 round tube because it's shorter and lighter and because I have a Steiner WML that screws into the end of the tube. I could see getting a Mod 2 down the road but even if I do I'll keep the one I already have.
I have carried a 1301 on and off duty. Two years ago I would have said the LTT upgrades were worth the extra $$, but they have gone with inferior parts and are no longer installing the Aridus Industries parts which are far superior and bomb proof without reducing their prices to reflect the cheaper parts.
As you are beginning your shotgun journey, I strongly suggest taking a class or two from some real pros like 360 Performance Shooting or Symtac. Learn Push Pull and you eliminate recoil without trying to buy gadgets to not quite replace skill.
Anyone can upgrade the 1301 for FAR less than LTT charges.
Great review. You have a knack for doing reviews. I bought the Orthos based on your review. Thank you for you no BS reviews. Keep it up
Let us know plzz how you’re liking that Orthos
I bought the A300 patrol about a year ago and perfectly happy with it, no problems. Kicked it around for a while before buying it rather than the 1301 and not sorry. put that $6-700 savings in ammo ! If you need power take the Benelli SBE with a short barrel and put a mag ext tube on it, 3 1/2 “ 00 buck are not even in the same league as any other 00 buck load ! Coyotes at 70-80,yds are no match! Yeah, they kick more, but you don’t get more power without a price. To me the SBE is the simplest operating system there is.
I know you like accessories, the shell carrier for all my tactical shotguns I use a velcro card. Can mount to any shotgun on the receiver - left side, and stock - right side for right handers, also you can use cards from another shotgun so it crosses all your gear and is light weight and wont shatter if you drop it like a polymer or aluminum can bend. Esstac Shotgun Cards makes one but there are others. Can have 23 rounds on your gun with 2- 8 loops plus the 7 in the mag of the 1301. Can carry spares with ammo and just peel off empties and stick full ones to replace. Pretty slick in the tactical world. Two 8 round cards adds a significant (noticeable) amount of weight to the rear of the gun. ie helps with recoil.
I am not LE and just bought the Benelli M4 with extended tube and collapsible stock. Just depends on where you go.
Same
Go with the Berretta soft kick pad I removed my kick off set up. It’s junk. Limb saver is also good.
Love to see you add the Mossberg 940 Pro Tac to the mix.
What you want is to put on the Briley 3gun mlok handguard. Full length aluminum handguard for 1301. Its awesome. Chuck that oem handguard.
$350+ and a 4 month wait time, pass for now.
Me and my 1301 Gen 2 agree
Beretta screwed us over by not giving the 1301 a filed down feed ramp. They need to fix this.
Agreed
I agree….
That's one of my favorite things about the a300
Has the a300 fired everything you've fed it?
@@Oakeshott-ko8ig mine has, everything from low brass bird to 3" 00 buck and slugs
Enjoying this series, looking to invest in a shotgun this year and these videos are helpful
Welcome back. Hope things worked out with the plans you had in life. Happy to see your videos and opinions again.
I wish they would make the front sling mount out of aluminum. My gen 1 mount came off after several practice sessions learning the Symtac recoil mitigation technique. Also, I like the out of the way lifter.
I never got a shot off before I dropped it on the concrete because the sling adaptor popped out of the hole. Fortunately the front sight took most of the hit and just knocked off the finish. I have never had a metal one let loose in twenty years of sling work in Palma. It worked well once I worked it around for 5 minutes and it has never let loose again. Still, dropping your brand new gun sucks.
@@dirtcurt1 ouch, that had to hurt. I was learning the Haughts technique, and one day I was doing rapid fire tests. That’s when the mount popped off. I don’t really understand why Beretta made the choice to put plastic on a gun barrel.
Definitely want to see the review of the kickoff system.
Also, some of the things shown as new were on the second version of the first 1301s. The bolt release and extended magazine with the qd barrel clamp. I’m not sure what version Beretta is calling those exactly. The big three differences are the fore end, trigger, and the pro lifter.
I met a guy with sheriff deputy with a SBS 1301. With the blink gas’s system being so fast it was not an issue.
I spoke to some guys at Freedom Trading in Vegas two years ago (2022) who said Vang Comp would probably port them in the future as well.
The kickoff system, especially the 2nd iteration they had of it, is awesome. With birdshot you can't tell much of a difference, but the heavier stuff you put through it, the better it works. For sure worth the extra. Source: Shotgun instructor(target, hunting and defensive.) 300k+ rounds down range with beretta shotguns alone.
i sold my gen 2 to get the mod 2. like all the upgrades, can’t wait for the recoil insert to come out to try it out. i personally didn’t have any problems with the recoil of the gen 2. for being so light, the recoil was minimal. the only real problem i had was, gen 2 was $1200 and came with a hard case, mod 2, was $1600…no hard case…really beretta?
Can't wait to see the detailed analysis and hear your thoughts on its reliability, ergonomics, and overall performance.
To stop muzzle rise just grind off a bit of the end of the muzzle on the top side.
Dang, for the price, you would think they would provide a halfway decent plastic case rather than a cardboard box. It wouldn’t even need to be waterproof. I think I would go for the A300 patrol if given the choice, but that’s just my opinion.
Got a 1301 in 2022 and it came in a nice Beretta hard case.
I agree man, a case should definitely be included
@@TacticalToolbox Personally, I would go with EssTac velcro side saddles. Those hard side saddles will damage your receiver over time with the recoil. Unless it's one of the hard side saddles that is a one piece with the picatinny rail.
PS: To clarify: the screws to install a side saddle will damage the receiver over time.
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Recoil moves you off target. It is not about taking it. It is about controlling it. I am a big muscular guy, but a pro shooter is going to control the recoil to stay on target better despite being possibly physically weaker. Experience is everything in the shooting world.
I bought a Gen 2 in January and the handguard didn't have any m-locks. Didn't really matter to me though since I put a Briley on it. What a fun gun to shoot!
I had a similar problem with sling swivels pulling loose on a rifle, I switched to Magpul, worked fine. Try a few different brands until you find one that locks in
My QD socket was aluminum though. I had thought maybe it wasn’t going in deep enough, you seemed to have confirmed that
I got a Turk-Etta about 3 yrs ago
It's a Rock Island
It's not a clone, but it's gas operated.
Parts availability is limited - So I bought two of them and I still saved $$ compared to a Beretta
I like it - Good so far
My only complain t is that the 18.5" barrel doesn't come with threaded barrel for chokes.
I thought RIA is from the Philippines atm. Do they rebrand some shotguns made in Turkey?
Blueforce gear sling swivels, work without modifying anything!
The new gen m4 has the larger bolt release & charging handle and full size mag tube out of the box..... it also has a new/different collapsible stock too and an interesting hand guard
I have 1000 rounds through my 1301 original. Bird shot, double ought, slugs - nothing failed to fire. MUCH lighter recoil than my M2. Have not fired the M4. Been thinking about adding the Mod 2, but can’t see spending the money for such minor changes that I could accomplish in upgrades on my own, if I wanted them.
i've watched your videos for a few years now, Thank you for all the work you put into them. Right now I'm wanting to get an A300 Ultima Patrol but waiting for the prices to go down or them to come back in stock at places that aren't charging over 1k. I would love to get one of these 1301 Mod2s in FDE but i don't think i can justify the price. I saw the Panzer m4 on PSA, decided to watch a bunch of videos, which lead me to the A300 and 1301. If i can get my hands on some of these just to see how they feel that would be the best place to start. Thanks again for all your videos and keep up the good work!!!
First time subscriber and I loved how you reviewed the Mod 2. Keep it up and I am looking forward to your modifications especially the foldable stock.
It certainly is tempting to go with the 1301, however just because of the history I think I'll still go with Benalli M4.
Definitely is a sexy shotgun though.
This was a great video with straight to the point information about the 1301 shotgun. I’m sold, thank you 🙏
My first gen didn't cycle lighter loads until I ran about 40-50 slugs/heavy game loads. Now it cycles everything without issue. Mod 2 upgrades are really the options I wanted in my gen 1 but weren't available. I maintained my factory handguard because it feels much better than the Magpul handguard.
Hello friend, I bought myself 1301 yesterday, the first version.
However, there was a 2nd version in the store, I looked at it, but I did not understand the purpose of the loading spoon of the spoon staying down, so I bought mode 1, thinking there was not much difference, now I regret it a little when I see this video.
I will buy mixed grammage cartridges for myself. Can it shoot single lead loads between 28 and 50 gr without any problems? What advice would you give me?
Recommend watching Tim Chandler or Rob Haught's discussion about the push pull technique used to mitigate recoil. I believe TFB TV had a video about this as well.
Great review. I would love to see you review an often overlooked but amazing tactical shotgun …the FNH SLP (self loading police) 12gage. It is my go to for home defense. It’s also great for competition with a few upgrades.
I also have a couple custom benelli m-2’s and my work horse for competition is my custom Remington 11-87
Good luck finding one.
They are really nice guns and I was looking for one NOS or lightly used. Got a 1301 instead.
I don't like pistol grips on shotguns. This would be my go to over a benelli, also the round count on the benelli is import restrictions. Curious how berreta got around that.
They’re made/assembled in the US. Tennessee specifically. No import means no restrictions.
Followed your other videos, so far the Orthos is the one I'm leaning towards. Can't wait till your Benelli M4 vid.
For future, Please use same shot shells for all your comparisons. 1301 has always been the fastest out of the box. Still a fan bro 😊
Try a BuckKicker chock to keep 00 buckshot at tight groups out to 40 yards. Though they say not to shoot slugs.
From what I understand, the Grovetech qd mount is full rotation. If you want an anti-rotation version, check out the Noveske flush mount QD. Same thing, but anti-rotation.
Thank you so much for the info man
I bought a comp pro model 1301 a couple years ago for under 1500. It’s a really nice shotgun. It does have the kickoff system in its stock. I’m not sure how much better the kickoff system is than just adding a limb saver or similar butt pad, but it does help a bit with the recoil.
Kickoff works better than a good recoil-pad on its own. The Falcon Strike system is also very nice.
My brother and I picked up Turkish 12 gauge semi autos from Gun Broker for $129 in 2022.
(NOT a typo...$129! Dickinson model)
They looked a lot like this but black.
They are fun to speed run some shells through!
We noticed that high FPS shells are needed to ensure they cycle.
Must use shells +1300 FPS.
Turkish shotguns are absolute trash
For a supposedly wet behind the ears person, you did an outstanding review of the Beretta 1301 Mod 2. Great video!! Kudos to you.
I held the Mod2 1301, pretty nice but im happy with the mod1 1301 tactical model! But i do like that FDE finish!
I have 1301 tactical with pistol grip the older version . I don't feel the recoil is anything to be concerned with. .Maybe the different stocks make a difference. I have no trigger time with those to compare. Also wanted to say that I have used Magpul push button QD on mine no issues and used a uncle Mike's quick detach on the mesa stock . Works good for me. And I know the lifter upgrade is available on mod 2 but I really don't see the need for it. Toughen up load your shotgun/and its a 12 gauge not a 410 there might be some recoil....depending on what you think recoil is.....personally I think if you have the green roll on any of them they are the cats meow..
great preliminary review to the mod2. I love your stuff - always. Thanks for your work!
Looks awesome minus the new honey mustard color. The Noveske flush mount QD on the right side of the stock is a great fix.
Chisel machine stock also allows the use of any AR grip that you wanna use. Which would also be a good selling point for most people.
the qd thing for your sling is magpul
You're spot on.....that new lifter design is huge. Some people may not like it because they like to ghost load a round on the lifter......
My understanding is you can still ghost load it. The lifter only raises to that position when the bolt OSS locked back. So if you release the bolt and then pull it back you can still drop a shell in like any other semiauto. I haven’t done it myself, but I did find a video somewhere on YT of somebody doing on the new mod2.
Durability and reliability are my primary concerns with an SD shotgun. I'd like to hear your thoughts on a 1301 vs Orthos vs M4.
I would have bought this if it was avalable earlier. I just bought a a300 patrol. Love it alot. But this 1301 2.0 is the total package
THANKS FOR ANOTHER GREAT VIDEO!
THE BERETTA 1301 IS EASIER TO CARRY AROUND ALL DAY OR ON LONG RANGE SESSIONS. THE LIGHT WEIGHT AND BALANCE, ALLOWS YOU TO CARRY 12 SHELLS ON CARRIERS AND SIX SHELLS IN THE TUBE WITHOUT THE WEIGHT SLOWING TRANSITION HANDLING. THE "PUSH PULL" TECHNIQUE CAN HELP MANAGE THE RECOIL OF BUCK SHOT AND SLUGS.
A CHOICE OF LIGHT LOADS AT UP TO 1325 FPS WILL ALSO LIMIT RECOIL. 9 PELLET #00 BUCKSHOT EXAMPLES:
SELLIER & BELLOT SB12BSG BX (1214FPS) OR FIOCCHI 12EX9P BX (1250FPS).
☺ALL CAPS BECAUSE I'M HEARING, ACUITY AND KEYBOARD CHALLENGED.
Thank you for explaining where the stock QD mount is! When scanning the QR code to access the manual on the Beretta website, it pulls up a general list of manuals to choose from, including the “1301 line,” which does not appear to include the newer mod 2 version. Great video!!
Thanks for showing and sharing this info with us.. Alot of great info with all of this shotgun... I love beretta.. Always have... I am really impressed with this shotgun.... Thank Brother
GOD BLESS
Finally got an email from LTT and jumped on it today lol. Been waiting for them to stock back up for weeks now. I got the bronze. Just bought a a300 3 days ago and haven't shot it yet. Also have the 940 pro with red dot which I love. But I'm hoping the ltt 1301 will be worth it.
I have a 1301 GEN one. You will love it.
I have the gen 2 in bronze and love it. Might be bougie but also have a Eotech HWS on it but that’s cause I have a HWS on everything except my bolt guns. Trying to find the pro lifter in stock to upgrade.
Just picked up my mod 2 this last weekend. That pro lifter is the chefs kiss 👌🏻
Just bought an M4 a few days ago...Was lucky enough to find one with a collapsible stock and Mil tube. Thing FEELS like a combat shotgun, not some cheap piece of plastic or a hunting shotgun. Best shotgun Ive owned for combat.
Great video. Tons of useful information. Thank you. Subscribed!
I have the original I got for $800. I agree the magpul handgaurd has no grip texture. The new wolf gray model just looks amazing. I might have to get one. But now they are $1800 vs $800. Ouch
TFB TV channel , James takes a class with Matt Haught (Master shotgun champion) w/ Ernest Langdon of Langdon Tactical, Matt demonstrates how to hold the shotgun in a Push>
New to your channel, like the way you get right to it and well spoken, good job.
I agree with you on the recoil. 👍🏼
Good info I've been looking to buy the 1301.
I have the first version and GG&G makes some great parts for it. (Metal mag tube, barrel clamp, etc)
Super nice shotgun, I just got the A300 in mulicam. I have a feeling the brown on that 1301 is going to age poorly like something from Sears Roebuck.
The Blue Force Gear QD sling attachments are longer than most and should fit even the deep QD mounts.
Thank you!
Excellent review, not too many channels discuss the recoil.
There are now new Benelli M4 gen 2's that now come with the bigger charging handle and 7 round tube out the gate for civilians on the market in the $2k range.
Great gun. Was at a recent show and the average price was $1700 - ouch.
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ABSOLUTELY LOVE TO SEE IT PORTED ON HERE 😁😁😁😁
I have a brand new 1301 tactical mod 2. The documentation states the magazine will hold 7-2.75 inch shells. I have 7-2.5 inch shells (measured) but can only load 6 in the magazine, any idea why? Or am I missing something
Answer: I spoke with Beretta this morning and they told me the spring is just tight. It should loosen up after I shoot a number of rounds to it since it’s brand spanking new we’ll see.
pretty sure there is a piece of plastic that you can remove in the tube. in this video he shows it..
Looks really cool with logical features. But I didn't see anything so superior to switch out my old Winchester Model 12's.
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Actually what a lot of people don't know is that the original 1301 tactical already came with MLok on the barrel clamp. I have my Surefire Scout mounted to that.
Problem! The install QD mount is a 360 degree rotation . The shotgun will end up falling to the upside down, and you will be looking at your loading gate. Hopefully the mfg will make a new non full rotation. Love your style, and no BS ego!!!! Thank you!!!!
Compare it to a Stoeger mk3 tactical... that's a great match up that really makes you question why would you spend the extra money for the Beretta
PLEASE run the Mossberg 940 pro tactical… for comparison reasons… please include aftermarket recommendations
Can you do a video about all the different stock options?
Any chance of review on a Savage Arms Renegauge security? If modding it already are you better of with gen 1 or gen 2? Thank you for your videos.
Mesa Tactical has a butt stock for the 1301 that has a shock absorber in it that you can also purchase and it is fantastic for someone that has bad shoulders. Something to look into.
Hey bubba could we get a PSA saber update please? Love the content you’re amazing and deserve a raise!
One of your best reviews I have seen.Great job outta you. I went with the 1301 due to the fact I have shorter arm length and a lot of shot guns have a pretty substantial LOP. The 1301 out of the box fit me like a glove. . Really fine firearm. I have a Gen 1 and I am thinking about getting the Gen 2. Love the upgrade on the stock.The same texture that comes om the A 300 and it rocks. I dont know if that alone warrents another , but would love to have one in green or FDE as well. The gas system is actually the fastest cycle on the market. I bought the Mesa tactical pistol grip and it has lightend the recoil substantialy .They also have a butt pad that works amazing as well if you dont want the pistol grip. Again great review
Wanted to get your opinion. I own a decked out Benelli M4 but am curious about the LTT 1301 (mod 2) they call Gen 3. Is there enough differences between the shotguns to translate into a new experience or do you think they are “interchangeably” similar? Both are/would be range toys.
Is it a fixed choke? If it is not - which chokes did you use for 00 and for slugs? I think m1014 comes in fixed modified only which probably eliminate the possibility of using slugs (m4 seems to come threaded for chokes, but m1014 is fixed modified)
Great review of a great product ! 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
I would hope that shotgun shoots flawlessly, it might be the finest shotgun made!