Pulitzer Prize winning historian and author Jack Rakove joins CNN's Laura Coates to discuss former president Donald Trump's absolute immunity claim being debated by the Supreme Court. #CNN #News
To be fair, all systems of political organization are based on the honor system at the end of the day, and if enough of a society is devoid of honor and they make it into power, then no political system can correct for that.
Even Ben Franklin knew we wouldn’t last forever. It is the nature of all civilizations, to rise and fall. “In these sentiments, Sir, I agree to this Constitution, with all its faults, if they are such; because I think a General Government necessary for us, and there is no form of government, but what may be a blessing to the people if well administered; and believe further, that this is likely to be well administered for a course of years, and can only end in despotism, as other forms have done before it, when the people shall become so corrupted as to need despotic government.”
So you're okay with partisan unelected DOJ rabbid bureaucrats getting to decide what's an official vs private act for a president and what their motives were or weren't? That sounds way more scary than anything being alleged against Trump.
@@aandb7- it’s a sentiment held by millions and the court will simply have to admit the obvious , they are a irrelevant arm of the republican party that has struck the match on a keg of dynamite sitting squarely in their laps
No, it is the DOJ that's corrupt. SCOTUS is following the law and have done nothing out of the ordinary. The DOJ waited 3 years to charge Trump during the election cycle It's clear to fair-minded people that the DOJ is corrupt!
@@jaapongeveer6203it wasn't just the Republican appointees that struck down Colorado and other Blue States attempt to remove Trump from the ballot. It's been a series of Targeting by the DoJ since the fake "Russian Collusion" BS!
Oh, she brought it up on a show funded by the people, forcing you into a two-party solution which allows all this nonsense so they can stay rich? Man, they better watch out.
I think the 3 Trump appointed justices should recuse themselves from all cases that relate to Trump also. That would still leave 5 justices to deal with this case and that's plenty. They should never have taken it anyway. It is a B.S. claim. No one should have total immunity. Vote Biden/Blue all the way down the ballot. Vote every MAGA/election denier out of office.
@@CraftyGrandmaDem- Yes, I agree, and Clarence Thomas should've recused himself ages ago. I don't think there's any chance of that happening, though. Putin must be rubbing his hands with glee.
He is correct: Justice Thomas, had a conflict of interest, given the deep involvement his Wife had with the Insurrection Planners & Participants. But, there he sits, on the Bench, looking smug & entitled & sometimes angry, like his demeanor, when the U.S. Senate, led by then Senator Joe Biden, approved his Nomination to the High Court - despite the controversy of the allegation, by Anita Hill, regarding his conduct with her in the workplace! How on earth is this NOT complete hypocrisy?! End of story. ---------- Psalm 37.
@@painkillerjones6232 Is it the left that wants that... or the right? Everyone in the middle is appalled by the actions of the Trump cult. Absolutely INSANE that this is where we are.
dont blame the supreme court blame the biden administration for waiting so long to bring charges.. and biden is the 1 bringing the charges.. he has nobody to blame but his justice department... trump was almost gone, he got booed at a rally and then they brought charges and pissed off half the country.. now it looks like trump will win
They don't. The U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit ruling that Donald Trump does not have immunity from prosecution was correct.
Justice Roberts spoke to this, you are 100% wrong. On the lower court ruling - "it says simply a former president can be prosecuted because he’s being prosecuted" which is considered to beua very dumb position haha by the lower court. Law doesn't work like this.
The Republican Party is full of cowards who lie cheat and put their personal profit before our country. Clarence Thomas has lost all credibility and integrity and respectability. Selling out his soul to Harlan Crow for a lifetime of political power gains and a false sense of entitlement. He had no respect for anyone but himself. More Americans see his wife involved in attempting to overthrow our democracy.
As a Canadian, the actions of the Supreme Court, has been the saddest moment in my falsely and naive belief, that moral integrity existed somewhere in such a powerful neighbouring country. . It is corrupt through and through. God help us all.
Yeah a lot of Americans share your thoughts sister but its not like we are standing on any high ground,ask our Native Americans and The descendants of slaves about that
TRUMP 2024 MAGA. TRUMP have to save America from Marxism and communism. If Biden van persecute his political opponent it is NOT democracy as in the Constitution.
American voters have led with their biases, their hates, their fears, their misogyny, their gerrymandered districts, their voter suppression FOR DECADES! This SC is the product of a politically minded and biased McConnell who only advanced the most extreme kind of neoliberal leaning judges for the entire court system- not only the SC. Why is any voter surprised that the conservative justices on this captured court believe that “the end justifies the means” rather than “no man is above the law?” If you are surprised you have been asleep politically for at least a decade.
So Brett Kavanaugh, the guy who: 1) Authored the Starr Report and recommended Clinton's impeachment 2) Personally pushed to make all the dirt on the Monica Lewinsky scandal public 3) In his only supreme court case argued for weakening protections on the executive branch 4) Used federal funds to support non federal outside investigations into the Clintons ... Is now, years later, as a supreme court justice himself, suddenly extremely concerned about protecting the executive branch from "creative" abuse of prosecution.
They have no shame like the rest of maga. They are so sure Trump will win the election & they won't have to be held accountable, same as all his other enablers.
Alito, Thomas, Gorsuch and Cavanaugh should be ashamed; they're the ones turning this into a "if Biden can go after Trump, how will presidents ever be safe!!!!???"
@@ecamp6360 I'm beginning to think maybe ALITO has some shady business in his background just like Thomas does. Ginny should be indicted along with trumps CO-CONSPIRATORS. Whats taking so long? Oh yeah...... she has a husband sitting on the Supreme Court.
I can't believe all nine justices (including the "liberal" ones) ruled that it's okay for an insurrectionist to hold federal office, when the Constitution specifies, in clear and unambiguous terms, exactly the opposite of that.
It feels like many people are working to ensure a Trump win by sleight of hand in November. Otherwise why would the Heritage Foundation have such an elaborate plan like Project 2025 so carefully crafted, and be getting an army of people in place to replace the current people in government? It would be a lot of prep work for a chance Trump "might win." They look like they are mobilizing.
I'm not a constitutional lawyer. But somebody needs to explain to me why staging a coup can be an official act. The people voted you out that means you're gone. How does this become official?
If the president performs an act that he/she believes is in the best interest of the country, it cannot be challenged. Bush invading Iraq, Obama killing Anwar al-Awlaki, or Trump challenging the validity of the election - each president believed that his actions were in the service of the country, so you have an illegal invasion, the extra-judicial killing of a US citizen, and the challenging of election results. All of it is distasteful but the precedent was set long ago.
It’s time to exercise congressional oversight of the Supreme Court and impeach justice Thomas for conflict of interest and falsifying records and to impeach justice’s Kavanaugh and barite for lying to congress and finally have a real investigation into kavanaugh for attempted rape, if for no other reason than to remind them they are neither above the law nor the law they are there to interpret the constitutionality of laws not to advance their political views
This immunity argument shows just how much the political landscape has changed over the past decade. This argument would not have been entertained in the 20th century. It is ridiculous that it's even debated in the highest court. Rather than evolving over time, our nation is stepping back centuries to reflect fallen monarchies
You’re a funny guy because the Democrats decided to run a guy with dementia against arguably one of the most dangerous candidates faced, and when they lose because of that, you won’t have to worry about conservative judges anymore, you’ll have bigger problems.
@@tyrant6647 My old GOP will takes decades to rebuild. Until then America wont trust them and so the next few decades will be (D) appointments to the courts. Watch.
SCOTUS does a lot of handwringing about having to do their job and then they punt on doing their job. KBJ said it best and I paraphrase "why are we even here talking about what crimes the President is allowed to commit" when POTUS is required to faithfully execute ALL of the laws. Alito was worried about POTUS making mistakes which might run afoul of criminal law but you have to have bad intent to run afoul of criminal statutes. Over 40 Presidents in our history managed to do their jobs without absolute immunity. We are only here because of the misdeeds of Donald Trump. If there was ever any doubt of SCOTUS being a political body, today should have squashed all doubt.
Thanks to trump turning folks into magats. I'm all for compromise, common sense, and fairness. He has brought "alternative facts" into the realm of previously sane politics. He has turned almost everything political. He spouts nonsense. He doesn't know how government operates. He's a con. A traitor. A friend to Putin. A friend to Kim jong un. I mean, it's astounding that these folks can't see that he IS helping destroy that which they treasure so much (The Untited States), in the name of anti g@y, immigrant, woke, leftist, etc...This country cannot withstand being the top dog much longer, as BOTH Russia and China have been working together for years, waiting for the chance to dominate. I pray folks wake up and put an end to this madness once and for all.
Do you remember that time you said you hired only the best people and then all your buddies you hired went to prison and you said you never heard of them? -- Donald trump
I think the prosecuting attorneys should start turning the argument on its head and posing the questions this way to the conservative justices.... "So what you are saying is it's perfectly acceptable for President Biden to start an insurrection at the end of his term. if he loses"? hahaha
WHO allows Thomas to sit on these cases?!? Clearly the man has no personal ethics, so justices and the president are all allowed to be completely lawless? That’s the best we’ve got?!
If the Court returns this case to the Appeals Court, it will define itself as a Political Party and no longer the Court of the land. The creditability of the Court is on public trial.
A WHOLE HEAP OF BUNKUM......TREATING INTELLIGENT PPL WITH CONTEMPT. IF TRUMP IS NOT PUNISHED FOR HIS CRIMINAL BEHAVIOUR, OR HELD ACCOUNTABLE FOR NOT ADHERING TO HIS OATH OF OFFICE, THE JUDGES RESPONSIBLE SHUD STATE WHY...
This shouldn't even be a discussion. I mean, someone who has UNLIMITED POWER TO ANYTHING THEY WANT? That's insane! That's Putin! We need to get this train back on the tracks.
It won't help if Republican Congress Members are controlling the vote and approval of judges. Appointment probably ought to be by a board of top highly esteemed vetted lawyers from around the country who have proved their neutrality.
I think Thomas sounded guilty himself, judging by the tone of voice and questions he asked. I believe he’s fulfilling “a favor tho” and I think this host is right. Thomas should have recused himself. 😮 This whole thing is embarrassing to me. I wonder what the rest of the world thinks of us now. I hope this is over soon.
The rest of the World is starting to see what a facade "American Exceptionalism" is. The Constitution has been revealed to be weak, the "Rule of Law" to be "The Rule of the Rich and connected". The Country isn't really a Representative Democracy, it's an Oligarchy. Anti Intellectualism is strong in America. Education has failed the country. Like most countries with a Presidential System of Gov't, it's prone to civil wars, dictatorships and corruption. The US thinks freedom comes from being able to own a gun, unfortunately for them, many other first world countries are much safer to live, and have affordable health care, and are just as free. People outside the US can clearly see the country has fundamental flaws, and is all about money and fame. The US, with a narcistic, rich, vengeful idiot at the helm, keeps the rest of us up at night wondering what nightmare is going to be thrust on the rest of us to deal with.
Bush conducted an illegal invasion of Iraq; Obama killed a US citizen without due process (Anwar al-Alwaki); and Trump challenged the outcome of a presidential election. Presidents have sovereign immunity for acts that they perform if they believe they are in service of the country. Trump thought the election was stolen and the correct thing to do was to challenge it.
@@painkillerjones6232 For what? I taught that you belived that a president is immune for every crimes they commit! OH i forgot that only is for the orange clown right!
@@danielwillens5876 He divorced his wife to marry his son's babysitter, and eulogized at the funeral of a Grand Dragon of the KKK, who was also a friend of the Clintons. Trump is not associated with the KKK, by the way. But Biden and the Clintons sure are.
This immunity case could easily be settled early enough for the January 6 trial to go ahead before the election in November. If they don’t it will demonstrate how wide the problem is once again.
I’m not American. Please help me understand - why does the Supreme Court have to answer this question? Why should anyone be above the law ? Isn’t it part of your constitution and hammered into stone “Equal justice under law” How is this a question? It doesn’t make any sense to me.
@@ConradNeill Exactly. SCOTUS is heavily rigged to protect Trump. There will be no completed trials before the election for sure now. Delay, delay, delay…
@@South-of-the-BorderNo, they are NOT upholding the law. This case did not need to be heard as a president is no more above the law than an ordinary citizen. Imagine if you had done everything Trump has done. You would have been behind bars a couple of years ago with no chance of ever getting out. Our justice system has become a two-tiered, MAGA driven vehicle that is giving that narcissistic individual every chance to become the first dictator king of our country.
Trump is a grad of an Ivy League University, as are his pals on the Court. I'm not defending them by saying this. And fck John Roberts and his crooked court of psychos.
@@commentfailedtopostYes, he could be impeached which, according to Trump's lawyers, is what would have to happen to allow a criminal charge. Sounds like it makes sense, except having total immunity would also allow him to eliminate any members of congress that would vote to impeach him. This is why the entire idea of absolute immunity, usually reserved for dictatorships, in this country should not even be entertained.
@charlesfriscia7236 don't waste your time. These are the same people who acrually believe ANTIFA are not fascists simply because it's in their name. Is like if the KKK changed their name to "We Love Black's and Jews" and was like "see, look at our name. Of course we're not racists." Lol😂
SCORP (Supreme Court of the Republican Party) needs to rule quickly on this one Delaying is in and of itself showing political favoritism Not that Thomas or Alito are worried about showing any sense of impartiality
Well, it’s a “private” act, as opposed to an “official duty.” That’s what she’s getting at. What’s even more [pleasantly] surprising to me is that this is what she’s arguing, all things considered.
@@chucksgrace3225No, JACK Smith does NOT need to slow down. This needs to be done BEFORE the next election to stop ANY chance of Dumpster getting into office or of trying to attempt another coup!!! We do NOT need a dictatorship king installed as head of this country!!
There's no time! Omfg, what if Trump gets democratically elected!! What's our plan?? Where will we go?? I can't live here if he gets elected!!! Seriously, it's all ending right before our very eyes!!
it's nice to hear an accomplished historian's take on this. The Founding Fathers would be rolling over in their graves seeing how much Trump is getting away with
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Considering the founders didn't plan for the SCOTUS to be involved in these kinds of decisions in the first place it's kind of weird that the textualists want to get their word in what the DOJ is allowed to do (Congress created the DOJ, and the modern argument is that agencies are more representative of what the people want than SCOTUS, but apparently only when it's a republican president not a democratic one)
////... Everything tRump is accused of doing; his lawyers are arguing should be legal. How can the SCOTUS GOP judges NOT consider the facts of the Trump crimes at the hearing, but make a ruling on the hypothetical basis when the facts and laws are right in their faces? The SCOTUS decision should be a unanimous NO, a president does NOT have absolute immunity. The GOP appointed SCOTUS justices are an 'imminent' threat to the constitution and democracy.
@@DannyMancheno Unfortunately, Biden is too weak and institutionalist to take that kind of an approach. Which is a shame, because at that point, it might be the only thing left to save America from the fascists. But sadly, as people with common sense have been saying since 2016, none of this would be happening if we had elected Bernie.
America has to take the politics out of the justice system. In Canada judges apply for the job and are"hired"by a panel. No body asks how they vote. There is no built in bias, ie, Obama appointed or Bush appointed.
Donald trump actually believes that every president needs to overlook OUR Constitution, the guidebook, the barometer for civility and justice for ALL citizens. donald trump thinks presidents need to commit crimes with immunity and impunity in order to run OUR Country. I don’t know if I want to live in a country anymore that the leader adheres to and supports criminal activity and is supported by so many people whose own rights he wants to completely strip away. Where and when and how would it stop?
The most stunning question to me "If the president sold nuclear secrets would that be considered an offical duty"....... the Answer was "it would depend"....... really? Under what circumstance would it depend if selling nuclear secrets was an offical duty??? like wtf!
Agreed. Sauer's response to that question made me choke on my coffee and spew it across the table. in what imaginary kingdom is the chief executive allowed to go scorched -earth on the entire planet?
Maybe Biden should just lean into it, since they're such huge fans of the president being immune - guessing they don't mean non-GOP presidents, though.
The case will go down in history on the level of the Dred Scott case and Plessy v Ferguson. The Supreme Court has never had credibility and they are completely owned by special interest now.
Like him or not, Reagan’s words had some semblance of meaning and this was what the GOP was like a brief 35 years ago: “We the people tell the Government what to do. It doesn’t tell us. We the people are the driver, the Government is the car. And we decide where it should go and by what route and how fast. Almost all the world’s constitutions are documents in which governments tell the people what their privileges are. Our Constitution is a document in which we the people tell the Government what it is allowed to do. We the people are free.” - Ronald Reagan (Farewell Address Jan 11, 1989) Where and when did they go wrong?
When the country fell apart when we were progressive and hired a black man to sit in the White House. All the bigots, racists, and misogynists had to hold their tongues until Trump gave them a 📣. My 2 cents...
Them playing this is a difficult question is maddening. Every school child ever was taught no one is above the law. That is what makes America great. I am so tired of crooked republicans.
Make no mistake, the Supreme Court doesn’t want to create a king, but they do want to put their thumb on the scale for trump. What Chutkin ought to do is start doing what the Supreme Court seems likely to want her to do, right now. That way, there would be little or no delay. Don’t let the Supreme Court play games to the detriment of the country.
This case should be the ONLY CASE that should have been the forefront of SCOTUS...They have delayed this case for weeks and now are delaying it further....They need to decide on this case NOW....Its Time to clean out these crooked Justices and let the people decide who should be Elected...
This case should never have been taken up by then to begin with. There is no need to "decide" immunity for a president. A president is no more above the law than any other individual. If any ordinary citizen has done what Trump has done, they would have been locked away for life.
Main foundational point is the system of checks and balances. This would remove one leg by only holding the executive branch to checks by the legislature, excluding the judicial. It would be akin to saying a CEO cannot be charged by the SEC unless the board members found them at fault first. If a prosecution is unjust, the local or future federal executive can correct. There is balance.
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I used to think the USA had a well developed constitutional settlement. That is far from the truth. It is a very fragile system.
Only as strong as those who uphold it.... terrifying
To be fair, all systems of political organization are based on the honor system at the end of the day, and if enough of a society is devoid of honor and they make it into power, then no political system can correct for that.
The Framers only expected the Constitution to last 20 years.... here we are nearly 250 later.
Even Ben Franklin knew we wouldn’t last forever. It is the nature of all civilizations, to rise and fall. “In these sentiments, Sir, I agree to this Constitution, with all its faults, if they are such; because I think a General Government necessary for us, and there is no form of government, but what may be a blessing to the people if well administered; and believe further, that this is likely to be well administered for a course of years, and can only end in despotism, as other forms have done before it, when the people shall become so corrupted as to need despotic government.”
Plainly corrupt.
Hearing the claim was a disaster!
It destroyed any credibility left in SCOTUS.
So you're okay with partisan unelected DOJ rabbid bureaucrats getting to decide what's an official vs private act for a president and what their motives were or weren't? That sounds way more scary than anything being alleged against Trump.
Some of them were sensible
Oh no what will they do now that deadcat42 on youtube doesnt think they are credible. Hopefully they see your comment
@@aandb7 what's it like being a troll? Knowing you will never be anything else.....ever.
@@aandb7- it’s a sentiment held by millions and the court will simply have to admit the obvious , they are a irrelevant arm of the republican party that has struck the match on a keg of dynamite sitting squarely in their laps
As it has been said before, justice delayed is justice denied.
This seems absolutely a corrupt court.
But only the republican appointments.
No, it is the DOJ that's corrupt. SCOTUS is following the law and have done nothing out of the ordinary. The DOJ waited 3 years to charge Trump during the election cycle
It's clear to fair-minded people that the DOJ is corrupt!
@@jaapongeveer6203it wasn't just the Republican appointees that struck down Colorado and other Blue States attempt to remove Trump from the ballot.
It's been a series of Targeting by the DoJ since the fake "Russian Collusion" BS!
That is because u are a ignoramus. How can u have your head so far up and in lock
Because CNN told you so?
So glad that Gene Rossi brought up the fact that Thomas should not be hearing this case!
Oh, she brought it up on a show funded by the people, forcing you into a two-party solution which allows all this nonsense so they can stay rich? Man, they better watch out.
I think the 3 Trump appointed justices should recuse themselves from all cases that relate to Trump also. That would still leave 5 justices to deal with this case and that's plenty. They should never have taken it anyway. It is a B.S. claim. No one should have total immunity.
Vote Biden/Blue all the way down the ballot. Vote every MAGA/election denier out of office.
@@CraftyGrandmaDemABSOLUTELY RIGHT 👍💯
@@CraftyGrandmaDem- Yes, I agree, and Clarence Thomas should've recused himself ages ago. I don't think there's any chance of that happening, though.
Putin must be rubbing his hands with glee.
He is correct: Justice Thomas, had a conflict of interest, given the deep involvement his Wife had with the Insurrection Planners & Participants. But, there he sits, on the Bench, looking smug & entitled & sometimes angry, like his demeanor, when the U.S. Senate, led by then Senator Joe Biden, approved his
Nomination to the High Court - despite the controversy of the allegation, by Anita Hill, regarding his conduct with her in the workplace! How on earth is this NOT complete hypocrisy?! End of story. ---------- Psalm 37.
The leaders of North Korea and Russia have blanket immunity. Ask their citizens if they're living the good life.
The left wants the same, here.
@@painkillerjones6232 Is it the left that wants that... or the right? Everyone in the middle is appalled by the actions of the Trump cult. Absolutely INSANE that this is where we are.
@@painkillerjones6232 Sure that is why the orange turd claiming total immunity right!
@@painkillerjones6232you're clearly delusional. Get help.
@@painkillerjones6232 Ridiculous
The Supreme Court thinks it is above the law along with Trump.
dont blame the supreme court blame the biden administration for waiting so long to bring charges.. and biden is the 1 bringing the charges.. he has nobody to blame but his justice department... trump was almost gone, he got booed at a rally and then they brought charges and pissed off half the country.. now it looks like trump will win
The Supreme Court is a embarrassment . So many of them don’t even deserve the titles they hold.
I most definitely agree. The liberal judge describes her counterpart as a swell guy. Delusional and all that power. Freakin scary.
There is nothing supreme about this court.
Donny is correct, it's HIS Supreme Court.
I think 6 of the justices think Supreme just means with sour cream and tomatoes.
Diana Ross wouldn't be caught dead with these Supreme's.
Trumpy judges
Supremely Right Wing extremist!
If presidents have absolute immunity, then goodbye Supreme Court.
They don't. The U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit ruling that Donald Trump does not have immunity from prosecution was correct.
Justice Roberts spoke to this, you are 100% wrong. On the lower court ruling - "it says simply a former president can be prosecuted because he’s being prosecuted" which is considered to beua very dumb position haha by the lower court. Law doesn't work like this.
They are no longer needed.
The SC needs to be held accountable
It just shows how people can wrap themselves in patriotism and religion but be completely morally corrupt.
Not to mention CLUELESS!
That's fascism.
The Republican Party is full of cowards who lie cheat and put their personal profit before our country.
Clarence Thomas has lost all credibility and integrity and respectability. Selling out his soul to Harlan Crow for a lifetime of political power gains and a false sense of entitlement. He had no respect for anyone but himself. More Americans see his wife involved in attempting to overthrow our democracy.
tRump's a CON MAN💥
Wrapped in the flag, and carring a bible. Chump.
Mercy to the guilty is cruelty to the innocent. -Adam Smith
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But Joe is way to senile to remember stealing classified documents...
You are obviously clueless to the facts.
Why biden must go. 👌
Adam Smith was wrong....just quoting from " A beautiful mind" ...no worries...
DOPE SLAP HEARD ROUND THE WORLD upcoming
All good 👍
And the Supreme Court is Not supposed to be Political !!!!
As a Canadian, the actions of the Supreme Court, has been the saddest moment in my falsely and naive belief, that moral integrity existed somewhere in such a powerful neighbouring country. . It is corrupt through and through. God help us all.
Yeah a lot of Americans share your thoughts sister but its not like we are standing on any high ground,ask our Native Americans and The descendants of slaves about that
Why aren’t they supposed to question the election process?
USA! STAY AWAKE, don't sleep. Our Democracy is on the line.
Banana republics don't have democracy.
2024 election is not about Republicans vs Democrats. It's Democracy vs Communist/Fascism.
Like sleepy joe Biden falling asleep at the fake climate change conference about the extinction of mankind? Don’t fall asleep like dementia joe Biden?
TRUMP 2024 MAGA. TRUMP have to save America from Marxism and communism. If Biden van persecute his political opponent it is NOT democracy as in the Constitution.
American voters have led with their biases, their hates, their fears, their misogyny, their gerrymandered districts, their voter suppression FOR DECADES! This SC is the product of a politically minded and biased McConnell who only advanced the most extreme kind of neoliberal leaning judges for the entire court system- not only the SC.
Why is any voter surprised that the conservative justices on this captured court believe that “the end justifies the means” rather than “no man is above the law?” If you are surprised you have been asleep politically for at least a decade.
My trust in the SCOTUS is nonexistent. thomas should have been recused. Roberts is weak.
Thomas & Alito should have been REMOVED!
Was hoping his wife would be indicted, then see if CT would recuse himself on an Appel.
John Roberts is corrupt.
So Brett Kavanaugh, the guy who:
1) Authored the Starr Report and recommended Clinton's impeachment
2) Personally pushed to make all the dirt on the Monica Lewinsky scandal public
3) In his only supreme court case argued for weakening protections on the executive branch
4) Used federal funds to support non federal outside investigations into the Clintons
... Is now, years later, as a supreme court justice himself, suddenly extremely concerned about protecting the executive branch from "creative" abuse of prosecution.
They have no shame like the rest of maga. They are so sure Trump will win the election & they won't have to be held accountable, same as all his other enablers.
What are we North Korea or Russia now. Supreme Courts should be ashamed.
You're not paying attention at all!
Alito, Thomas, Gorsuch and Cavanaugh should be ashamed; they're the ones turning this into a "if Biden can go after Trump, how will presidents ever be safe!!!!???"
Yes the similarities should frighten all
We have elections coming up in November.The people will make the right decision. Lets hope the election is not corrupt.
Scotus...corrupt judges must be put in jail along with Trump?
"Above the (hypothetical) Law..."
That was my first thought! Is the Supreme Court “above the Law?”
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@@HomeGypsy According to the BOUGHT Supreme Justices like Clarence Thomas, Roberts and Alito? YES.
At least Alito and Thomas.
@@ecamp6360
I'm beginning to think maybe ALITO has some shady business in his background just like Thomas does.
Ginny should be indicted along with trumps CO-CONSPIRATORS.
Whats taking so long?
Oh yeah...... she has a husband sitting on the Supreme Court.
What happened to your spine, America? This is a trajectory you do not want to be on.
Amen! I whole heartedly agree!!
If the laws aren’t for everyone then they’re for no one.
Name the law that was broken.
@@dr.emilschaffhausen4683
Sober up
America will have this fiasco thrown back in their face for a long, long time.
The lack of moral backbone in the Supreme Court will haunt America for a very long time and ways that haven't been imagined.
"a truth"
I can't believe all nine justices (including the "liberal" ones) ruled that it's okay for an insurrectionist to hold federal office, when the Constitution specifies, in clear and unambiguous terms, exactly the opposite of that.
It feels like many people are working to ensure a Trump win by sleight of hand in November. Otherwise why would the Heritage Foundation have such an elaborate plan like Project 2025 so carefully crafted, and be getting an army of people in place to replace the current people in government? It would be a lot of prep work for a chance Trump "might win." They look like they are mobilizing.
Yup
Political appointment is a fundamental mistake.
I'm not a constitutional lawyer. But somebody needs to explain to me why staging a coup can be an official act. The people voted you out that means you're gone. How does this become official?
If the president performs an act that he/she believes is in the best interest of the country, it cannot be challenged. Bush invading Iraq, Obama killing Anwar al-Awlaki, or Trump challenging the validity of the election - each president believed that his actions were in the service of the country, so you have an illegal invasion, the extra-judicial killing of a US citizen, and the challenging of election results. All of it is distasteful but the precedent was set long ago.
Expect DISASTER from SCOTUS !
Give Joe full immunity to get rid of trump
sound about good karma
What do you think is already going on? Where have you been the last year? That's literally what's already happening.
And SCOTUS
Clueless
Well said Stalin.
Treating Trump differently shall send wrong signal to the public
You're missing the damn point. SCOTUS should never taken this case but they are in Trump's pocket...
I Have also said this I agree with you💯
Trump was president, just like Joe.... If the laws weren't different, Joe would be before a firing squad...
Too late. We are screwed. Thanks scrotus..
It’s time to exercise congressional oversight of the Supreme Court and impeach justice Thomas for conflict of interest and falsifying records and to impeach justice’s Kavanaugh and barite for lying to congress and finally have a real investigation into kavanaugh for attempted rape, if for no other reason than to remind them they are neither above the law nor the law they are there to interpret the constitutionality of laws not to advance their political views
Impeachment is far too political to be depended on to hold the president responsible for their actions
This immunity argument shows just how much the political landscape has changed over the past decade. This argument would not have been entertained in the 20th century. It is ridiculous that it's even debated in the highest court. Rather than evolving over time, our nation is stepping back centuries to reflect fallen monarchies
Please answer my question
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The SLIPPERY Court is digging a hole for all future conservative judges.
LOL! Yeah, rulings based on the Constitution are definitely gonna "dig a hole🤤" for them.
You’re a funny guy because the Democrats decided to run a guy with dementia against arguably one of the most dangerous candidates faced, and when they lose because of that, you won’t have to worry about conservative judges anymore, you’ll have bigger problems.
@@tyrant6647democrats never heard of that there Constimatution.
NO the MAGA COURT cant hurt future CONSERVATIVE JUDGES but its time for Joe to EXPAND the court
@@tyrant6647 My old GOP will takes decades to rebuild. Until then America wont trust them and so the next few decades will be (D) appointments to the courts. Watch.
SCOTUS does a lot of handwringing about having to do their job and then they punt on doing their job. KBJ said it best and I paraphrase "why are we even here talking about what crimes the President is allowed to commit" when POTUS is required to faithfully execute ALL of the laws. Alito was worried about POTUS making mistakes which might run afoul of criminal law but you have to have bad intent to run afoul of criminal statutes. Over 40 Presidents in our history managed to do their jobs without absolute immunity. We are only here because of the misdeeds of Donald Trump. If there was ever any doubt of SCOTUS being a political body, today should have squashed all doubt.
If a party is willing to abuse the justice system to destroy a political opponent, what else are they capable of?
Our democracy is failing apart!
Omg! Maybe we should move to Canada?
@@commentfailedtopostnope, they're building a wall 🧱 & the US is gonna pay for it!
@@commentfailedtopost😂👍
Thanks to trump turning folks into magats. I'm all for compromise, common sense, and fairness. He has brought "alternative facts" into the realm of previously sane politics. He has turned almost everything political. He spouts nonsense. He doesn't know how government operates. He's a con. A traitor. A friend to Putin. A friend to Kim jong un. I mean, it's astounding that these folks can't see that he IS helping destroy that which they treasure so much (The Untited States), in the name of anti g@y, immigrant, woke, leftist, etc...This country cannot withstand being the top dog much longer, as BOTH Russia and China have been working together for years, waiting for the chance to dominate. I pray folks wake up and put an end to this madness once and for all.
Yes, and you vote for the idiots destroying it every time.
Do you remember that time you said you hired only the best people and then all your buddies you hired went to prison and you said you never heard of them? -- Donald trump
"Are you ready to choose freedom over democracy? Pause." -joe biden
He was president given to him by the electoral college but that still don't change anything. He has done this to himself and should stand trial now .
Thank you for having Prof. Rakove to add the historical perspective.
Omg it’s another slow motion coup.
Wahhhhhh!
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Touch grass ✌
Trump will be having a rally at Madison Square Garden soon.
TH-cam stop deleting comments
We are living in the last days of America, at least in its current configuration. This is how countries die.
Very, very true. Where is the Roman Empire today?
If America were an ill patient...the Dr. would be discussing hospice care!
I think the prosecuting attorneys should start turning the argument on its head and posing the questions this way to the conservative justices.... "So what you are saying is it's perfectly acceptable for President Biden to start an insurrection at the end of his term. if he loses"? hahaha
WHO allows Thomas to sit on these cases?!? Clearly the man has no personal ethics, so justices and the president are all allowed to be completely lawless? That’s the best we’ve got?!
This is ridiculous.
It is already a disaster!!! It all started in 2015 when they made him the nominee. This will not ever stop!!
He WOn the nomination and WON the presidency... You know... Democracy..
Nothing lasts forever. The question is, how much damage will be left behind the MAGATs.
One day he will be gone but what remains of our nation is yet to be determined. Tea party was just a blip compared to this MAGA bs
Them Judges are the best Dark money could buy .Thanks to Mosco Mitch.
If the Court returns this case to the Appeals Court, it will define itself as a Political Party and no longer the Court of the land. The creditability of the Court is on public trial.
Delays Delays Delays, that's all he wants
All the left want is election interference.
That's exactly what he is doing. And the Supreme Court is giving him exactly what he wants. But why ??
MAGA spits on you.
And that's just what he is getting. Of course.
@@emmapeel4259 Why? Because the Supreme Court knows this is witch hunt and abuse of judicial power, that's why.
Braced for continuing disappointment. Clinging to the hope he's voted into obscurity this November.
How though? He will just cry to the scrotus and they will give him the Whitehouse by rewriting the election!
It is a matter of urgency that needs to be resolved ahead of the election! Absolute immunity is a NO!
@@stevebeegreat The concept of a speedy trial can benefit the public as well as the defendent.
A WHOLE HEAP OF BUNKUM......TREATING INTELLIGENT PPL WITH CONTEMPT. IF TRUMP IS NOT PUNISHED FOR HIS CRIMINAL BEHAVIOUR, OR HELD ACCOUNTABLE FOR NOT ADHERING TO HIS OATH OF OFFICE, THE JUDGES RESPONSIBLE SHUD STATE WHY...
This BULLSHITE is why we need to EXPAND the SCOTUS 6-5....
This shouldn't even be a discussion. I mean, someone who has UNLIMITED POWER TO ANYTHING THEY WANT? That's insane! That's Putin! We need to get this train back on the tracks.
There are 13 districts, ONLY 9 Judges...
@@BassRck50 So change the game to suit the needs of another political party. Spoken like a true communist!
@@charlesedwards1109🎯 EXACTLY CORRECT 👍
It won't help if Republican Congress Members are controlling the vote and approval of judges. Appointment probably ought to be by a board of top highly esteemed vetted lawyers from around the country who have proved their neutrality.
I think Thomas sounded guilty himself, judging by the tone of voice and questions he asked. I believe he’s fulfilling “a favor tho” and I think this host is right. Thomas should have recused himself. 😮
This whole thing is embarrassing to me. I wonder what the rest of the world thinks of us now. I hope this is over soon.
A favorite? More like trying to save HIMSELF from the consequences of the MILLIONS of dollars worth of perks he took from Trump cronies!
The rest of the World is starting to see what a facade "American Exceptionalism" is. The Constitution has been revealed to be weak, the "Rule of Law" to be "The Rule of the Rich and connected". The Country isn't really a Representative Democracy, it's an Oligarchy. Anti Intellectualism is strong in America. Education has failed the country. Like most countries with a Presidential System of Gov't, it's prone to civil wars, dictatorships and corruption. The US thinks freedom comes from being able to own a gun, unfortunately for them, many other first world countries are much safer to live, and have affordable health care, and are just as free. People outside the US can clearly see the country has fundamental flaws, and is all about money and fame. The US, with a narcistic, rich, vengeful idiot at the helm, keeps the rest of us up at night wondering what nightmare is going to be thrust on the rest of us to deal with.
The immunity argument to enhance a single person is “Historically nuts” is a great factuality.
I thought if the president BREAKS LAWS he is not immune.
Bush conducted an illegal invasion of Iraq; Obama killed a US citizen without due process (Anwar al-Alwaki); and Trump challenged the outcome of a presidential election. Presidents have sovereign immunity for acts that they perform if they believe they are in service of the country. Trump thought the election was stolen and the correct thing to do was to challenge it.
Trump going to jail for life will Make America Great Again.
When?
You're missing the damn point. SCOTUS should never taken this case but they are in Trump's pocket...
Trump will be having a rally at Madison Square Garden. 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇮🇱🇮🇱
@@mhall801😂
Crooked corrupt President Joe Biden destroying Democracy is actually making America Great Again right?!?
Impeach the Trump Justices.
Impeach Biden.
@@painkillerjones6232 You are just upset because Biden is the better human being.
@@painkillerjones6232 For what?
I taught that you belived that a president is immune for every crimes they commit!
OH i forgot that only is for the orange clown right!
@@danielwillens5876 He divorced his wife to marry his son's babysitter, and eulogized at the funeral of a Grand Dragon of the KKK, who was also a friend of the Clintons. Trump is not associated with the KKK, by the way. But Biden and the Clintons sure are.
@@painkillerjones6232 not gonna happen magabilly turd!!
I totally agree that justice Thomas should not be hearing this case. Him and his wife clearly having an agenda for Trump.
This immunity case could easily be settled early enough for the January 6 trial to go ahead before the election in November. If they don’t it will demonstrate how wide the problem is once again.
Why any attorney is willing to represent Trump I cannot understand
You're missing the damn point. SCOTUS should never taken this case but they are in Trump's pocket...
Money and fame. 😂
I’m not American. Please help me understand - why does the Supreme Court have to answer this question? Why should anyone be above the law ? Isn’t it part of your constitution and hammered into stone “Equal justice under law”
How is this a question? It doesn’t make any sense to me.
The Supreme Court is upholding the law.
@@South-of-the-Border😂🤦♂️
To help their boy out. That's the only reason.
@@ConradNeill Exactly. SCOTUS is heavily rigged to protect Trump. There will be no completed trials before the election for sure now. Delay, delay, delay…
@@South-of-the-BorderNo, they are NOT upholding the law. This case did not need to be heard as a president is no more above the law than an ordinary citizen. Imagine if you had done everything Trump has done. You would have been behind bars a couple of years ago with no chance of ever getting out. Our justice system has become a two-tiered, MAGA driven vehicle that is giving that narcissistic individual every chance to become the first dictator king of our country.
“Clear and present danger” has never been more applicable- than Trump & SCOTUS now
When you fear integrity and accountability, you are no longer the good guys.
Criminal immunity for one American means criminal immunity for all Americans, end of story
No. Only tRump the God King.
Well America better make sure he doesn't get in the White House again
With the Scotus in HIS pocket, our vote likely won't matter.
He won’t
Illegitimate court.
Supreme should t have not agreed to hear case if they weren’t going to rule on it what a kangaroo court
If Clarence Thomas doesn’t declare him King for life, I will be impressed
Found the racist.
❤ Thomas n Trump are sooo NOT On The Same Side.
I don't like the uneducated.
Of which is 99% of Trump's supporters.
I don't either, they have no clue what they're doing and the lies they believe are mind boggling.
Trump is a grad of an Ivy League University, as are his pals on the Court. I'm not defending them by saying this. And fck John Roberts and his crooked court of psychos.
“ you can’t fix stupid, but you can give it a court date”
Haha most college students can't name all the states and capitals but sure your educated
When the law decides law is superfluous, we are done.
Whatever happened to the principle that NO ONE is above the law?
President Biden, you just received total immunity to kill Trump, from the supreme justice court
GO BRANDON, GO
😂😂😂
Dark Brandon would say a 45 for a 45
@@elaineisabelle427Wouldn't he still be able to be impeached?
@@commentfailedtopost no cuz he can pardon himself
By this logic yeah.
@@commentfailedtopostYes, he could be impeached which, according to Trump's lawyers, is what would have to happen to allow a criminal charge. Sounds like it makes sense, except having total immunity would also allow him to eliminate any members of congress that would vote to impeach him. This is why the entire idea of absolute immunity, usually reserved for dictatorships, in this country should not even be entertained.
Gorsuch Kavanaugh Alito Thomas =FASCISTS
Can you define the word fascist plz? The actual meaning of the word and how it correlates with them instead of just blurting out ridiculous comments.
@@charlesfriscia7236 don’t you know what fascist means since you obviously support it?
Mouthy bs from someone who never found a dictionary
@@charlesfriscia7236 Benito Mussolini and Adolf Hitler
@charlesfriscia7236 don't waste your time. These are the same people who acrually believe ANTIFA are not fascists simply because it's in their name. Is like if the KKK changed their name to "We Love Black's and Jews" and was like "see, look at our name. Of course we're not racists." Lol😂
SCORP (Supreme Court of the Republican Party) needs to rule quickly on this one
Delaying is in and of itself showing political favoritism
Not that Thomas or Alito are worried about showing any sense of impartiality
This SCOTUS are corrupt. That’s embarrassing to our country. What about Thomas he should recluse himself.
Conspiring to change the election outcome isn't a 'private' matter
Duh. Only someone wanting to help out Trump would even consider that.
Well, it’s a “private” act, as opposed to an “official duty.” That’s what she’s getting at. What’s even more [pleasantly] surprising to me is that this is what she’s arguing, all things considered.
@@HomeGypsy a sitting President can't conspire in 'private' or otherwise, to change the election outcome because he lost the election.
SCOTUS is about to do Trump another favor with more Delay delay delay
Because SCOTUS is in Trump's pocket...
Well. Maybe Jackie Smith needs to stop with the rush rush rush tactics then.
@@chucksgrace3225No, JACK Smith does NOT need to slow down. This needs to be done BEFORE the next election to stop ANY chance of Dumpster getting into office or of trying to attempt another coup!!! We do NOT need a dictatorship king installed as head of this country!!
Delay away...he still cant win the election
There's no time! Omfg, what if Trump gets democratically elected!! What's our plan?? Where will we go?? I can't live here if he gets elected!!! Seriously, it's all ending right before our very eyes!!
Good interview. Appreciate this man w/a historical perspective. He’s reasonable & understands the urgency. This situation would’ve been unfathomable.
If they intended to send it back, they shouldn`t have taken it on in the first place!!!!
it's nice to hear an accomplished historian's take on this. The Founding Fathers would be rolling over in their graves seeing how much Trump is getting away with
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Considering the founders didn't plan for the SCOTUS to be involved in these kinds of decisions in the first place it's kind of weird that the textualists want to get their word in what the DOJ is allowed to do (Congress created the DOJ, and the modern argument is that agencies are more representative of what the people want than SCOTUS, but apparently only when it's a republican president not a democratic one)
In the end, no American voter will say "I was not aware of the imminent danger to the future of American democracy "
////... Everything tRump is accused of doing; his lawyers are arguing should be legal. How can the SCOTUS GOP judges NOT consider the facts of the Trump crimes at the hearing, but make a ruling on the hypothetical basis when the facts and laws are right in their faces? The SCOTUS decision should be a unanimous NO, a president does NOT have absolute immunity. The GOP appointed SCOTUS justices are an 'imminent' threat to the constitution and democracy.
Thank you, Mr. Rakove, and Ms. Coates!
This court needs remedial action. Many of them are corrupt, plain and simple.
Nothing unlawful, in my opinion can be construed as an official act...
This! How hard is it?!
Wise men have become as fools .
Are we actually in doubt that the court he was careful to tilt to a 6-3 majority will NOT take his side?
no doubt, luckily if presidents have immunity, biden has a duty to protect america from trump.
@@DannyManchenoMy thoughts exactly!!
@@DannyMancheno Unfortunately, Biden is too weak and institutionalist to take that kind of an approach. Which is a shame, because at that point, it might be the only thing left to save America from the fascists. But sadly, as people with common sense have been saying since 2016, none of this would be happening if we had elected Bernie.
Absolutely not
@@DannyManchenoexactly
Justice Thomas definitely should not be involved.
America has to take the politics out of the justice system. In Canada judges apply for the job and are"hired"by a panel. No body asks how they vote. There is no built in bias, ie, Obama appointed or Bush appointed.
Donald trump actually believes that every president needs to overlook OUR Constitution, the guidebook, the barometer for civility and justice for ALL citizens. donald trump thinks presidents need to commit crimes with immunity and impunity in order to run OUR Country. I don’t know if I want to live in a country anymore that the leader adheres to and supports criminal activity and is supported by so many people whose own rights he wants to completely strip away. Where and when and how would it stop?
Wahhhhhhhhh 😭😭😭 get a grip
No more kings
It stops at Gettysburg. This is 1933 all over again unless the GOP becomes obsolete.
@@D.A.OhK. sadly we’ve got 9 of them playing a game. We the People at OUR expense.
So Obama should stand trial for signing off on killing BinLadin?
It’s insane that only Thomas can recuse himself. And of course he won’t.
Sometimes the legal system misses the forest for the trees.
Heh, I’ve been saying that for YEARS!
We’re watching you Supreme Court
Powerful comment and something to think about, "We have created nine kings" SCOTUS
Sad but true.
Of course you are the EXPERT but this CASE should have never been heard at all!
The most stunning question to me "If the president sold nuclear secrets would that be considered an offical duty"....... the Answer was "it would depend"....... really? Under what circumstance would it depend if selling nuclear secrets was an offical duty??? like wtf!
Agreed. Sauer's response to that question made me choke on my coffee and spew it across the table. in what imaginary kingdom is the chief executive allowed to go scorched -earth on the entire planet?
Maybe Biden should just lean into it, since they're such huge fans of the president being immune - guessing they don't mean non-GOP presidents, though.
The case will go down in history on the level of the Dred Scott case and Plessy v Ferguson. The Supreme Court has never had credibility and they are completely owned by special interest now.
Like him or not, Reagan’s words had some semblance of meaning and this was what the GOP was like a brief 35 years ago: “We the people tell the Government what to do. It doesn’t tell us. We the people are the driver, the Government is the car. And we decide where it should go and by what route and how fast. Almost all the world’s constitutions are documents in which governments tell the people what their privileges are. Our Constitution is a document in which we the people tell the Government what it is allowed to do. We the people are free.” - Ronald Reagan (Farewell Address Jan 11, 1989)
Where and when did they go wrong?
When the country fell apart when we were progressive and hired a black man to sit in the White House. All the bigots, racists, and misogynists had to hold their tongues until Trump gave them a 📣. My 2 cents...
It went wrong when the Democrat party was hijacked by Socialist Marxist and Jihadist Terrorists...
When the GOP decided they like the way Putin runs Russia better than we the people run the U.S. Government.
The argument breaks down when it is the government that oversees the education of the people.
That miserable POS Newt Gingrich started all this my way or the highway shit
Can someone PLEASE get lawyer D. John Sauer a lozenge !??
Them playing this is a difficult question is maddening. Every school child ever was taught no one is above the law. That is what makes America great. I am so tired of crooked republicans.
Make no mistake, the Supreme Court doesn’t want to create a king, but they do want to put their thumb on the scale for trump. What Chutkin ought to do is start doing what the Supreme Court seems likely to want her to do, right now. That way, there would be little or no delay. Don’t let the Supreme Court play games to the detriment of the country.
This case should be the ONLY CASE that should have been the forefront of SCOTUS...They have delayed this case for weeks and now are delaying it further....They need to decide on this case NOW....Its Time to clean out these crooked Justices and let the people decide who should be Elected...
This case should never have been taken up by then to begin with. There is no need to "decide" immunity for a president. A president is no more above the law than any other individual. If any ordinary citizen has done what Trump has done, they would have been locked away for life.
Interesting observations by Mr Rossi regarding Chief Robert’s, as well as Thomas’ recusal negligence! Than you!
Main foundational point is the system of checks and balances. This would remove one leg by only holding the executive branch to checks by the legislature, excluding the judicial.
It would be akin to saying a CEO cannot be charged by the SEC unless the board members found them at fault first.
If a prosecution is unjust, the local or future federal executive can correct. There is balance.
As a black man we've faced Corrupt Court Judges who would always always find a way to throw the book at us all our lives:
Nothing New Here
I was thinking that as well. It's a Jim Crowe revival.. disgusting. No way it will end well for them after destroying us.