Great reminder! It is strange that drummers / tutors almost never seem to mentioned this for drum set, while it's so fundamental for handheld clash cymbals
@@StephenTaylorDrums I feel you!! I feel 90% of drummers don't know how to set up their kits for themselves. Maybe a future video topic?:) Like fundamental kit maintenance and setup
Steve, great total explanation of high hats. I am a subsriber to your channel , and also signed up for the on line course. Now I just need to practice , practice, and practice. As an advanced beginner at 68 years old, after a 50 year hiatus from playing drums, heading for retirement, i have found a reknewed and rekindled interest into what has always been a passion of music, my music and being able to play along on the drums. Be safe all and thx again for your great vids.
We have a Pearl hi hat in our school band where the bottom cymbal was WAY too slanted and it sounded horrible.....now after tweaking with it a little bit, it sounds good as new :)
That's one of the reasons I love the Sound edge hats. Zildjian now makes hats with their own version of the Sound Edges. I still keep a slight tilt, as it seems to make that click a bit more pronounced. Excellent video, as you were stating, far too many drummers have no idea what that piece is for
Thanks! I knew about the screw on the bottom to have the hats close at an angle, but I had always tightened the top hat mount too tight. As soon as I loosened the top hat to let it move, my hats instantly sounded SO much better.
Thank you for sharing your experience with us. I think it's important to mention that the top cymbal should not be over tightened. It sounds muffled and bad when you play the hi-hat loose. (And feels like I'm banging on a tabletop.) This is often the first thing I have to change if I'm not playing on my own kit.
Very good video giving solid info Steve.... Nobody talks about - Tight the top hi hat should be. I saw a poster on a different TH-cam=be video mention that the he was" chocking the top hi hat - it was too tight" I loosened the top clutch and he was right, better sound was achieved. Thought I would share that tidbit.
Another big difference maker in the sound is not cranking the felts really tight on the top. I used to be guilty of this & giving a little more "slop" in the top cymbal helped a lot.
Hi Stephen thanks for getting back to me so quickly. Yes, down just above where the foot pedal attaches. In my case there is a black collar about 1 cm wide on a spring tensioned threaded column. It is screwable but you can feel some tension or resistance.
Also... Run a pipe cleaner over the felt pad of the bottom hi-hat cymbal and tighten it down by tying it tightly to the knob thing that adjusts the angle of the bottom hat. The prevents the felt from falling off the hi-hat stand when you have removed the rod for traveling, and you are tossing the stand up and down and around. A pipe cleaner is thin enough and strong enough to hold down the felt pad without affecting sound.
I was never taught this but somehow, I learned it during my past 55 years of drumming. Maybe it's because I actually listen to the hi-hats while I play. I'm a light jazz drummer and I usually keep the hi-hats going during the pauses or breaks so the people still have a beat to dance to. I just call it courtesy. Also, I always use a very light top cymbal and either a light or heavy bottom, depending on the size of the venue.
Awesome, this inspired me to go and have another tinkle with my angle. My Zily A Customs are really singing out after a slight adjustment and slightly looser on the top cymbal now they're both really ringing. I'm also starting to get over the hang up of them not seating together perfectly once closed. For a long time I looked at them with a bit of OCD wanting them to be in line once closed but this confirms after trying different angles it changes the final position eliminating air blocks.
This is helpful . My hi hats can always use a little improvement. After watching this I’m gonna tweak them a little bit . Change the angle . See what that does . Thanks man!!
So I have played drums for many years and really never understood what that was for! I needed to understand that, I just never really took the time and searched it out. Thanks for making this video.
Great tip!! another good tip for cheap lugs that won't stay in place or have cheap threads use a bit of chap stick on the thread, works like lock tight kinda and soothes out the rough feeling lugs. Can make tuning a bit easier.
I have an old set of Sabian something or others that have 3 holes in the bottom hat from the factory not drilled , always wondered why but that explains it ! They are unusual and I never really thought much about it other than smacking the crap out of them lol great vid dude 👍
Thanks for that information. I’ve just been given a new 6 piece Pearl Export Limited Edition kit, so that’s really helpful for setting it up. Regards, Bob M. South Wales
Thank you for this video. Ive been trying to make them flat to each other this whole time. I thought it was wrong they were tilted. Appreciate this and following your videos
Hey Stephen very cool video. I'm sure you're right about people turning the knob on the drumset just because it's there, as funny as that is too actually hear you say! But it is a very important bit of knowledge and understaning to be able to tweak the sound of your kit to get desired tones or sounds. I believe this true for any instrument! How can you find "your sound" if you dont know how or where to look for it? I found out what that tilter screw was for by way of Paiste Soundedge hats back around 70-71. I was amazed at such an odd looking design seeing them for the first time at Mannys Music in NYC. I remember thinking the salesman was pulling my leg about the wavy edge releasing trapped air so the hats didn't sound so choked. That was until he showed me how to adjust the tilter on the stand using traditional plates to achieve basically the same result. For this, I was forever grateful! A little later, your boys at Zildjian put round holes in the hats since Paiste had the patent on the wavy edge. At some point I guess the patent expired. Seems everybody has some version of a wavy bottom to release trapped air. Especially us old guys!😨 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 Peace!
Great vid, thanks! I know its been 5 years haha, but I have a question. Wouldn't you want the adjuster to be facing you? Two reasons: 1- the sound will be projecting out and away. 2- if the hats are angled open facing you (as depicted here) most of the sound coming out is projecting back to the player. Also, wont that chew up sticks faster? Your thoughts, Thanks!!
I was actually surprised to find out this isn't common knowledge! I found that adjustment and pretty much immediately determined its purpose. The problem I was having for a bit back then was that I wasn't getting a decent click _anyway_
My current hihat is a tennis shoes with jingle bells looped thru the strings, BUT my new one is half ready. Definitely gonna crank that spring knob. Thanks! Use to crank it just for the slight cymbal angle. For playing, not for air of anything. Good info. The reason for ozone hats? Maybe. Doubt it. Thanks again!
Nah Ozone is just Sabian trying to save some money on copper :p But on a serious note the product page for the Swiss cheese hats (uh "sick hats") states: "Large holes allow Sick Hats to breathe in ways other Hats simply cannot - with virtually no airlock, you hear everything.". Sadly the O-Zones are no longer for sale but they may very well have applied the same logic with those :)
Hi and thank you, how important is the actual high hat stand? I have brand new symbols but the stock stand from my kit which is a Matex. Thank you 🥁❤️👍
5 Years Later - Lol So we just purchased our 10 year old grandson a junior drum set. I've been trying to figure out the high hat adjustment. So, like you say, I've been twisting and turning the knobs.Just because they were there not knowing what I was doing. So thanks for the tips
Now I’d like to see more on playing them. Especially what you mentioned “flagging” them. Haven’t seen that done while playing a groove of some kind. Maybe too how best to play a quick tap with open/close like jazz would use.
Thank for this great tutorial. I'm new to drums and this helped me out A LOT! Quick question, what's the black plastic piece at the bottom of the high-hat stand just right above the legs. Does it do anything to alter the sound or control of the high-hat pedal etc? Thanks in advance. ~Peace~
Cool video...question! we need cymbal sleeves on the cymbal stands right? Why we don't have any "protection" on the hi hat clutch? Lol....does the two cymbal felts and two nut locks enough? Maybe this is a stupid question but i wanna know
Hey stephen! My names graham and my dream cymbals are the exact ones you play. However, they’re super expensive. Could you make a video with some tips and tricks to get a better sound out of all cymbals and maybe even some DIY ways to get a more dry sound?
I have been practicing my hihat for my cumbias and boledos when i step on it l was not getting a desent sound it had a soft sound and really could not hear it over my cowbell. Thanks
I always though it was there to align the cymbals to correct uneven flooring surfaces, eg, the stage might be a fraction uneven. How wrong i was -_- Great informative video!
i figured that out decades ago, but i always thought the hats were supposed to catch each other square 🤔 maybe i'll start playing around with this again. and in recent years my hats don't retain air because i drill holes into them anyway 😂 necessity is the mother of invention.
I have a question. What can u do to make your hi hat leg stronger? I was in a drastic car wreck Dec. 18th, 98 and lost the ability to lift my hi hat leg up or down, because I had a steel rode in it. Thanks for any feed back, R3N
Great reminder! It is strange that drummers / tutors almost never seem to mentioned this for drum set, while it's so fundamental for handheld clash cymbals
" ... you're twisting it anyway, just because it's a knob on your drum set." Hilarious!
koehlerdogtraining 😂 frickin hilarious and he doesn’t even try 😂
It’s so true tho lmao
I assume most of my setup problems stem from this approach.
Thats 100% me hahaha
me foreal doe whe i started
Already knew this, but thank you for being one of the only people to make a video actually explaining it!!:)
Lol, I SO could have used this video when I was just starting out.
@@StephenTaylorDrums I feel you!! I feel 90% of drummers don't know how to set up their kits for themselves. Maybe a future video topic?:) Like fundamental kit maintenance and setup
I did not know that. Thanks for the tip. My OCD mind is going to hate not having them straight though. 😊
Sound edge or vented hats may be the solution for you, hehe
quick beats have them @@richardwilliams1310
Thanks, Steve... Now, I'm the last, unknown knob on my set.
Steve, great total explanation of high hats. I am a subsriber to your channel , and also signed up for the on line course. Now I just need to practice , practice, and practice. As an advanced beginner at 68 years old, after a 50 year hiatus from playing drums, heading for retirement, i have found a reknewed and rekindled interest into what has always been a passion of music, my music and being able to play along on the drums. Be safe all and thx again for your great vids.
We have a Pearl hi hat in our school band where the bottom cymbal was WAY too slanted and it sounded horrible.....now after tweaking with it a little bit, it sounds good as new :)
I always adjusted the knob to get the cymbals line up perfectly and now I finally know why my hi hat sounds like crap. Thanks man 👍😬
That's one of the reasons I love the Sound edge hats. Zildjian now makes hats with their own version of the Sound Edges. I still keep a slight tilt, as it seems to make that click a bit more pronounced. Excellent video, as you were stating, far too many drummers have no idea what that piece is for
Fun fact:
The adjustment screw was invented by Roy Burns, founder of Aquarian drumheads, educator, performer etc.
Thanks Roy! RIP
Thanks! I knew about the screw on the bottom to have the hats close at an angle, but I had always tightened the top hat mount too tight. As soon as I loosened the top hat to let it move, my hats instantly sounded SO much better.
Thank you for sharing your experience with us. I think it's important to mention that the top cymbal should not be over tightened. It sounds muffled and bad when you play the hi-hat loose. (And feels like I'm banging on a tabletop.) This is often the first thing I have to change if I'm not playing on my own kit.
thx for this tips.. im just starting to learn HH .. glad I found you on my first week :-) the attack is way much better and precise
Glad it helped!
Yep i was part of the people that had no idea what that was for. Awesome info. The smallest details help my performance. Thanks a lot.
I'm glad I was educated on this early, but it's also nice to see someone cover this easily and often overlooked topic. Great stuff!
Thank you. Newbie here, this solved the issues with the new hi hats that were having the issue you described. Thanks!
Stephen u r an amazing teacher .. huge thanks for the tips .. and for keeping it real always
Thanks bro I’ve been looking for a video that actually explains this unlike everyone else
Sam Smith glad it helped!
Very good video giving solid info Steve.... Nobody talks about - Tight the top hi hat should be. I saw a poster on a different TH-cam=be video mention that the he was" chocking the top hi hat - it was too tight" I loosened the top clutch and he was right, better sound was achieved. Thought I would share that tidbit.
Another big difference maker in the sound is not cranking the felts really tight on the top. I used to be guilty of this & giving a little more "slop" in the top cymbal helped a lot.
That changes the way I do THAT. Thanks Stephen!
Hi Stephen thanks for getting back to me so quickly. Yes, down just above where the foot pedal attaches. In my case there is a black collar about 1 cm wide on a spring tensioned threaded column. It is screwable but you can feel some tension or resistance.
gumobe55 yea that has to do with the pedal tension or the pull rod tension, depending on the stand.
Also, some hi-hats have a ripple edge on the lower hat. Paiste have had them for years and they always sounded loud and bright. Great info. as usual
question for Stephen...how much physical fitness training should a drummer be doing in order to play his/her best?
Such a simple but useful tip, a few turns of the screw can make a world of difference.
Also... Run a pipe cleaner over the felt pad of the bottom hi-hat cymbal and tighten it down by tying it tightly to the knob thing that adjusts the angle of the bottom hat. The prevents the felt from falling off the hi-hat stand when you have removed the rod for traveling, and you are tossing the stand up and down and around. A pipe cleaner is thin enough and strong enough to hold down the felt pad without affecting sound.
Thank you very much. Incredibly useful information.
I was never taught this but somehow, I learned it during my past 55 years of drumming. Maybe it's because I actually listen to the hi-hats while I play. I'm a light jazz drummer and I usually keep the hi-hats going during the pauses or breaks so the people still have a beat to dance to. I just call it courtesy. Also, I always use a very light top cymbal and either a light or heavy bottom, depending on the size of the venue.
Thanks, just putting together my 1st kit and this definitely was very helpful and improved the sound immensely.
Awesome, this inspired me to go and have another tinkle with my angle. My Zily A Customs are really singing out after a slight adjustment and slightly looser on the top cymbal now they're both really ringing.
I'm also starting to get over the hang up of them not seating together perfectly once closed. For a long time I looked at them with a bit of OCD wanting them to be in line once closed but this confirms after trying different angles it changes the final position eliminating air blocks.
This is helpful . My hi hats can always use a little improvement. After watching this I’m gonna tweak them a little bit . Change the angle . See what that does . Thanks man!!
Experimentation...that's the great thing about our instrument
Stephen Taylor I couldn’t agree more .thank u
Great info! I have Sabian AAX Fast Hats, which have three holes in the bottom hat, so zero air gets trapped.
So I have played drums for many years and really never understood what that was for! I needed to understand that, I just never really took the time and searched it out. Thanks for making this video.
Followed you advise and my hats sound great now thanks
So glad it helped john
This video could have been 1:30, but it wasn't and we love you for it.
It doesn't take much....just a slight tilt will work....great video
Thank you for the explanation! I’m a self-taught drummer and had no idea what the purpose for that mechanism was. Now I know! 😂
Great tip!! another good tip for cheap lugs that won't stay in place or have cheap threads use a bit of chap stick on the thread, works like lock tight kinda and soothes out the rough feeling lugs. Can make tuning a bit easier.
I have an old set of Sabian something or others that have 3 holes in the bottom hat from the factory not drilled , always wondered why but that explains it ! They are unusual and I never really thought much about it other than smacking the crap out of them lol great vid dude 👍
Ill try what you said. OK done it and yea I like the sound. Thank you.
I've known about the tilt screw forever, never thought about AIR. Makes perfect sense.
Thanks for that information. I’ve just been given a new 6 piece Pearl Export Limited Edition kit, so that’s really helpful for setting it up. Regards, Bob M. South Wales
Thanks for the tip...I'm a beginner so I sound a hell of alot better..😊
Thank you for this video. Ive been trying to make them flat to each other this whole time. I thought it was wrong they were tilted. Appreciate this and following your videos
Hey Stephen very cool video. I'm sure you're right about people turning the knob on the drumset just because it's there, as funny as that is too actually hear you say! But it is a very important bit of knowledge and understaning to be able to tweak the sound of your kit to get desired tones or sounds. I believe this true for any instrument! How can you find "your sound" if you dont know how or where to look for it?
I found out what that tilter screw was for by way of Paiste Soundedge hats back around 70-71. I was amazed at such an odd looking design seeing them for the first time at Mannys Music in NYC. I remember thinking the salesman was pulling my leg about the wavy edge releasing trapped air so the hats didn't sound so choked. That was until he showed me how to adjust the tilter on the stand using traditional plates to achieve basically the same result. For this, I was forever grateful!
A little later, your boys at Zildjian put round holes in the hats since Paiste had the patent on the wavy edge. At some point I guess the patent expired. Seems everybody has some version of a wavy bottom to release trapped air. Especially us old guys!😨
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Peace!
Great Tip! I've never been taught that, thanks for sharing!
Sure thing Albert
THANKS SO MUCH FOR THE INFO MY MAN! 🔥🙌🏼 I've been trying to improve my hh sound quality and this video was perfect for that
Oh that's what that does😂👍
Great vid, thanks! I know its been 5 years haha, but I have a question. Wouldn't you want the adjuster to be facing you? Two reasons: 1- the sound will be projecting out and away. 2- if the hats are angled open facing you (as depicted here) most of the sound coming out is projecting back to the player. Also, wont that chew up sticks faster? Your thoughts, Thanks!!
Thanks muchly - now using this
Perfect! Thanks for the help on this!
THANKS! That video really helped me
You bet
Thank youuuuuu this solved a year long problem of odd hi hat sounds🙏🏻
Such a big help for me.. Thanks 🙌
You bet
Very good. Thanks for the tip!
I needed this so much! thanks man!
Great advice thank you, now off to give it a try, keep up the great work.
Chris Brown You bet Chris!
I was actually surprised to find out this isn't common knowledge! I found that adjustment and pretty much immediately determined its purpose.
The problem I was having for a bit back then was that I wasn't getting a decent click _anyway_
Cheers for the advice mate
My current hihat is a tennis shoes with jingle bells looped thru the strings, BUT my new one is half ready. Definitely gonna crank that spring knob. Thanks!
Use to crank it just for the slight cymbal angle. For playing, not for air of anything.
Good info.
The reason for ozone hats? Maybe. Doubt it.
Thanks again!
Nah Ozone is just Sabian trying to save some money on copper :p
But on a serious note the product page for the Swiss cheese hats (uh "sick hats") states: "Large holes allow Sick Hats to breathe in ways other Hats simply cannot - with virtually no airlock, you hear everything.". Sadly the O-Zones are no longer for sale but they may very well have applied the same logic with those :)
Thanks ThaTyger.
Those sick hats look a mess but maybe they sound good.
Seems like a power drill and a set of bits could make any hats sick.
Thank you Stephen. Very helpfull.
Massive help thank you! ❤
Interesting and helpful. Thank you!
Thank you! My daughter just started drums! Very informative video!! Shall subscribe for sure!
Hi and thank you, how important is the actual high hat stand? I have brand new symbols but the stock stand from my kit which is a Matex. Thank you 🥁❤️👍
5 Years Later - Lol So we just purchased our 10 year old grandson a junior drum set. I've been trying to figure out the high hat adjustment. So, like you say, I've been twisting and turning the knobs.Just because they were there not knowing what I was doing. So thanks for the tips
Now I’d like to see more on playing them. Especially what you mentioned “flagging” them. Haven’t seen that done while playing a groove of some kind. Maybe too how best to play a quick tap with open/close like jazz would use.
Thank for this great tutorial. I'm new to drums and this helped me out A LOT! Quick question, what's the black plastic piece at the bottom of the high-hat stand just right above the legs. Does it do anything to alter the sound or control of the high-hat pedal etc? Thanks in advance. ~Peace~
Cool video...question! we need cymbal sleeves on the cymbal stands right? Why we don't have any "protection" on the hi hat clutch? Lol....does the two cymbal felts and two nut locks enough? Maybe this is a stupid question but i wanna know
Nicely done, Well explained. Spot On.
Cheers.
Thanks!
Finally a proper explanation, thanks!👍
That X Files thing was comedic gold. Loved it.
Ahhh! that's what I was looking for! Thx! :)
Man I have been learning so much from your lessons thank you so much 🤘🏼🤘🏼🥁🥁
Always great videos and explanations! I knew this but I will pass on this video to a friend!
Hey stephen! My names graham and my dream cymbals are the exact ones you play. However, they’re super expensive. Could you make a video with some tips and tricks to get a better sound out of all cymbals and maybe even some DIY ways to get a more dry sound?
Thanks a lot for the awesome video.
You bet Miguel
Ok I dont have this knob under my hats, i gotta be creative.
Ha! Always wondered what that thing was. Amazing, thanks Stephen. Cheers, Broc
Is there a way to tighten the spring of my tama titan. Or do I need a new one.
New student here! I inspired by you, I hope I can be a better drummer watching your vids, I subscribed :")
Music Alley So glad to have you in the drumming family and have you hanging on here with us!
So glad that I found your channel! =)
So that's what that hole was for? I found a screw that fits and now my hihat sounds great. Thank you very much!
This is super useful and super underrated
I used to be one of those that fiddled it just because it's there... thanks for your great work Stephen!
Thank you for this!
Dean Russell you bet Dean
I have been practicing my hihat for my cumbias and boledos when i step on it l was not getting a desent sound it had a soft sound and really could not hear it over my cowbell. Thanks
I use a big tilt. I like the loud sounds and the sloppy top cymbal too. It seems to give so much more presence.
0:21 I sometimes turned that knob on my old acoustic drums
This saved me $ from buying a different pair of hi-hats thinking mine were the problem...turns out it was this screw all along! thank you so much!
I love it. So glad it helped my friend
Thanks dude. Learned something new today.
Thank you for the video! I was ignore it too, in till today 😂💪
Great info thank you
Thanks, nice Tipp.
That is why I use sound edge hats or bottom hi-hat cymbal with air vents.
Do these same rules apply for Sound Edge Hi-Hats?
Thank you sir...❤️❤️
Thanks man - I had always wondered about that =)
You bet Dan
I always though it was there to align the cymbals to correct uneven flooring surfaces, eg, the stage might be a fraction uneven. How wrong i was -_- Great informative video!
i figured that out decades ago, but i always thought the hats were supposed to catch each other square 🤔 maybe i'll start playing around with this again. and in recent years my hats don't retain air because i drill holes into them anyway 😂 necessity is the mother of invention.
Late to the hi hat party but thanks for the content!
I have a question. What can u do to make your hi hat leg stronger? I was in a drastic car wreck Dec. 18th, 98 and lost the ability to lift my hi hat leg up or down, because I had a steel rode in it. Thanks for any feed back, R3N