I love how simple the fact of infinity can turn a lot of Gojo’s losing matchups to at least stalemates. Really shows why Sukuna needed Big Raga in the first place.
@@thetruedemonking5367yeah it would all depend on if Sakuna could think up the world slash himself without Raga showing him and if he can think it up before he loses to Gojo. Would be a high diff fight on both sides especially with the reincarnation card still in play.
@@Moomoomoomini youre absolutely right but I think in a fair one v one Gojo wins but still close fight cuz sukuna has crazy battle iq an he can cut thru anything
@@kaizel2264It is not infinite space. It is infintite nothingness or just nothingness. It is more of a feat for his ki control and not power /ablility to break dimensions telling he can control ki to such a small level that he can divide his ki into so little that it becomes nothing. I don't know for the super manga but i don't think the physical world will shake like that since it contains weight and mass which would require massive amount of ki to move unlike nothing which would require nothing to move. And shaking the physical world will only result in loss of ki without any damage to the enemy. Goku is not THAT stupid. He got enough BIQ to know that a bad move. Hopefully, my understanding of UI is correct and the manga doesn't say that UI work differently.
@@kingofwinggamingAnd the grand priest had added space-time in the null realm It would mean that he shook the infinite realm And after the buu saga every character has ability to break through dimensions(that's what sukuna did he had to cut the space itself with the binding vow)
One thing I’ve never understood about Dre’s takes despite his takes for Bleach scaling being pretty fair, is this idea of Ichigo stalemating Gojo. We saw firsthand that spatial manipulation attacks can bypass infinity. Bleach gran rey cero’s are stated to bend space. Are we really saying Sukuna’s cleave is superior than a gran rey cero from Ichigo? Doesn’t really make sense to me.
@@Heavenly828Still does not make sense. He knows atleast how the power of most MCs work. It would make sense if ichigo was not the MC and he didn't know how his power worked but ichigo has the third most popular powers in bleach after almightly and kyogu gestuto. Ichigo power are also really straightforward and we know every single detail about them unlike the other two but he perfectly understand the other two powers.
Goku could just send him to space, knowing Goku he'll notice the infinity instantly and began quickly making a technique to break through it just like Sukuna did.
Goku has instant transmission. He can go anywhere he senses energy. He just IT past infinity and holds onto Gojo. From there, he could push Gojo into space.
When it comes to ichigo, people usually bring up his scaling to get him past infinity, but i think he has another way to actually get through infinity. Ichigo can use granray cero, which is known to actually warp or break space.
I think people just genuinely overrate infinity and don’t know how it works. One of its limitations is that it is affected by spatial manipulation attacks.
@kaimobley5324 ohh yeah, i kinda forgot the whole dimension thing that ichigo did back then. Ichigo shouldn't be a maybe because he definitely beats gojo. I don't know if Dre genuinely didn't know this or if he just ignored all these things that ichigo can do
I agree with most of these takes by dre except for few. In my opinion Luffy can get through Infinity via Ryou since he isn't touching him physically. Ichigo can easily cut through Infinity, I mean Sukuna did it dimensional slash that isn't even country level in dc, meanwhile Ichigo's attacks are on par with multiversal beings like Ywhach. Also taking in account of speed, Gojo can't nearly catch up with most of these characters, which proves my next point about Goku. I always acknowledged and admired dre for his fiction-based knowledge, but cmon the hate on Goku is too much 💀 And i'm no goku meatrider, but dude can literally blast away Earth and what would Gojo do? I'll say it again, this is my personal opinion.
@@dusky5535yeah circumstances are always important in a battle, say in a tournament, or if Gojo killed Krillin the battle changed drastically. But due to Goku’s scaling, speed and power output he should have no problem dealing with infinity especially in Ultra Instinct where the body would move on it’s own to lead Goku towards victory. But yeah Dre downplays Goku quite a bit
You’re on point with a few of these, but Goku wouldn’t just destroy the planet, even if it’s to kill whoever he’s fighting. Also the fact that Haki has to travel at all into Gojo’s body would discount it from working on him.
The only reason I will say instant transmission won’t do anything is because while it probably will get him through infinity after that in order to hit him infinity will activate when he tries to punch as his punches aren’t instant like instant transmission
As long as you can cut through space or have any kind of spatial manipulation, you should be able to get through infinity Can: ichigo, asta, Naruto, sukuna, Goku Debatable: makima Can’t: deku, meruem, luffy They all mostly outscale him, except makima
@@boggy7091yes however you can exhaust gojo as his stamina isn't limitless as we see when kenjaku imprisoned him and in his fight with sukuna. Also Ichigo literally can just use a cero to bypass infinity
@@chillfenrir6050 that was only in very specific circumstances where he couldn’t just pop a domain immediately since they were surrounded by people tho. Also why are you bringing up other ways ichigo can bypass infinity when I’m talking about stamina
There is really no debate when it comes to Goku and Ichigo to be honest. They both have feats or have shown relativity to feats of dimensional barrier destruction. Goku shaking the world of void, Buu screaming and breaking space-time, Broly and Gogeta breaking space-time and so on. It's not even a matter of attack speed or range, just the power alone would obliterate Gojo and the Infinity, no questions asked. Ichigo slaps away Kurohitsugi which is consistent as Aizen sits through one casually, Ichigo cuts Yukio's dimension destroying it in the process, fodder hollows traverse dimensions by literally ripping through space-time (Ulquiorra does this with his bare hand), ceros warp and distort space. Being a Quincy, he can absorb energy around him with his sword... that's basically Domain amplification on steroids, he would absorb all the curse energy powering Infinity and just cut Gojo with one swing of his sword. His reiatsu is so heavy that Gojo merely sensing Ichigo would make him see illusions of his own death and make him give up his will to live instantly. And these are just if we're playing along with the notion that "Infinity" HAS to be bypassed, considering the fact that once Gojo expands his domain once, it's over because his CT would be on cooldown and his RCT ain't stopping Goku or Ichigo. And yes, they both have ways around Infinite Void. Ichigo just recently took on the memories and knowledge of the Reio, a being that has existed since the dawn of time and knows everything across Infinite timelines past, present and future. So Infinite information flooding his brain wouldn't do anything to him. Also, he can break a domain barrier from the inside rather easily. Even in the unlikely event where his brain is fried or he becomes paralysed, not only does Blut vene passively defend against anything Gojo can damage him with, White Zangetsu can just take over his body and I promise you, Gojo is not surviving the absolute terror that is Vasto Lorde Ichigo. Goku also breaks out easily. Because he can react to teleportation, he has Infinite speed reaction time meaning his brain can already process information infinitely faster than normal so Infinite Void would just be instantly processed. He has UI which grants him automatic movements without the input of thought, so even without an active brain he'd still beat Gojo. And of course, even if Gojo does paralyse Goku, none of his attacks are damaging him. He'll just eventually regain autonomy and whoop Gojo anyway. So like I said, these 2 are NOT in the slightest bit debatable.
@@Mars-td7pbasta has an enhanced version of Yamis dimension slash, "Universal slash" which is just dimension slash but better AND cloaked in anti magic. Also through via versa, anti magic = anti cursed energy, since they are pretty similar. Also Ichigo negs gojo
@@mailman7804 So... Ichigo's slap (universal slash) aka World Slash. And Quincy energy absorption (anti-magic) aka Domain Amplification. They literally achieve the same things in this scenario lol.
@@mailman7804 My bad, I didn't see the "also Ichigo negs Gojo" part until now. Maybe I read your response before you edited? I was just pointing out that both Asta and Ichigo have similar win cons.
Imma just say this in DBZ super buu yelled and that yell was able to break through the time chamber basically making a hole in space and time that was a yell goku as of DBS is countless times stronger then DBZ super buu while at base meaning he could just punch a hole in infinity (also he does scale to infinite speed and also has the ability to teleport behind infinity so there’s that)
Okay... just becsude we saw Buu do thst doesnt mean thst Goku csn do it. We have never seen Goku scream and break through a dimensions, for all we know only Buu, Gotenks and Broly have been seen doing that.
@@ryangreen2493ngl it's kinda true. That scream buu did is not a hack but of sheer power alone. Gotenks didn't use a hack either his sheer amount of power resulted in that. Just because goku and vegeta didn't try it doesn't mean they can't do it, considering everyone in dragon ball have energy they can form to almost anything.
If we’re talking Post-Rose Meruem I think it’s a different story. He has the durability to tank most attacks Gojo has other than most likely Hollow Nuke, and let say the fights take place in an arena. Meruem has mountain level AP using Youpis rage blast and could probably destroy any arena they’re fighting in with a big blast, and as we’ve seen, explosions can bypass infinity. Gojos Hollow Nuke did damage too him, if Meruem can use full power rage blasts consistently I think he gets the win. But idk, you can argue with me if you want.
Makima putting the literal encarnation of darkness on his knees in his own home... There is no way that gojo is tanking those bangs and those hand tortions.
@@mrkingdrago1013if you're saying he won't find a way to get through infinity, you are dead wrong, Goku already has shown feats of shaking an infinite void, literally breaking reality, SCREAMING through dimensions, and even if Gojo lasts long enough to pop domain, UI is a perfect counter.
I wonder if you can make an argument for Meruems En or In ability? (Forgot which one it’s called) we know Infinity doesn’t stop or slow down light/photons so maybe that would get through?
Asta got the anti venom symbiote equivalent to cursed energy aka the curse repellent lmfao😂😂😂😂. I imagine mahito tryna pull up to asta use his CT on him and it burns mahito to even touch him while asta saying unhand me u fiend.
@@omereltayeb7711 he 100% does, that's literally all Gear 5 is, he just hasn't realized he can literally do ANYTHING, have you actually watched One Piece?
@@maryboyd8126Average gear 5 glazer lol.Luffy can't imagine he can do anything his toon force is limited. If Luffy can imagine anything and it will happen, then you're basically saying he solos 99 percent of anime, which isn't true.
@@mrkingdrago1013 If Gotenks and Buu could scream and rip a hole through the fabric of space in the Time Chamber he can definitely punch a hole through Infinity
Damn the fact Gojo despite coming from a relatively weak universe than the others, he can rlly go to to toe with beings far stronger than him due to hax
Wdym toe to toe gojo is weak compared to most characters here the only reason he gets a chance of a stalemate is because of his infinity he can't do no damage to someone like goku
Well Luffy's Haki could possibly negate infinity or the projecting Haki could bypass infinity via Advanced Armament/Conquerors Haki it since Haki has no mass. or Gear 5 could toon force it.
As long Deku has Gearshift, he can get through Infinity. Sukuna, yes. Luffy can beat him if he gets through Infinity, but I don't think he has anything to get through it. Makima, hell no. Naruto made a Rasengan that hit a limbo in another dimension, he negs. Ichigo already can exist in another dimension, he slaps. Asta outstats him, although anti magic doesn't mean anti curse technique. I still think he wins tho. Goku wins 100x over, don't even need to explain why. Meruem loses, sorry HxH fans
Ichigo should be laughing like Kira cause one thing he didn’t mention here is that Naruto , luffy , ichigo and goku are just on another level of speed so gojo can’t catch them in the domain and even sukuna was able to overwhelm the passive infinity so it’s one punch from goku , Naruto and luffy or one slice from ichigo to turn the honored 1/2 to the demolished 1/10000
Honestly, since Luffy can rubberize and touch air in a way that he can run on it, he would absolutely just rubberize gojo’s infinity and then punch him with it or some shit. Plus Ryou would probably get through it since it moves into an object after the physical hit.
Even if Ichigo isn't cutting infinity he would win due to Gojo getting damaged by just reiatsu. even Gin got a chunk of his arm destroyed by just touching hogyoku Aizen
@@BirdsBestAnimal exactly, and I don't think gojo would be able to tank that. It seems like people tend to forget that something like gran ray cero exist in bleach
@@True_King_of_Curses and you know?if goku does goku things,and how you scale his nirvana, Sometimes he has said that " this is totally based on their skills and abilities" Then proceed ranking them on their power levels,
@@True_King_of_Curses most of his takes are awful,and downplay on other characters Especially dragon ball characters,naruto characters....(Sasuke especially) featherine, sung jin woo,archie sonic, shinra,asta,sinbad wank,i would say extreme overwank He thinks archie sonic beats toaa....darksied, He thinks if a character can talk to audience or creator is outerversal (he doesn't know about the 4th wall awareness)
@@IshanGaur-jf8fi Oh nah 💀. I legit just occasionally see these videos like, once a week at most, and even I found these opinions as pretty bad. Didn’t think it was *this* dogshit- Also, IMO, Verse Equalization (which is something Dre LOVES to do for Asta) shouldn’t be used
That’s not how that works. He needs to lock on to someone’s Ki. Even if he didn’t need to do that, he can’t go through solid objects and forces with it
@@2btqjhe can sense ki within the room of spirit and time a separate dimension from the living world. He can shatter the universe with punches and us stronger than beings who can rip through dimensions just by screaming like super buu and gotenks.
Technically you are wrong about the sukuna part but idk if this form was when he had Mahoraga but if it wasn’t he would’ve lost as gege said im pretty sure but i think this was before gege ever said that
That's not the only way Ichigo can get through Infinity. He also can use Grand Ray Cero which distorts Space itself and honestly he can just cut right through it regularly as him in the Fullbring Arc literally destroyed an entire Dimension just from going into his Bankai alone
Sukuna who LITERALLY WON, Makima(she could get past infinity with Mold/sacrifice ritual could bypass it, Bang/finger gun has zero travel time, so that also does it,) Naruto with frog kata, Ichigo because HE FUCKING BROKE A DIMENSION IN THE FULLBRINGER ARC, and in bleach, if you outscale the opponent performing the hax...the hax itself gets negated, Asta negates, Goku just screams away infinity, and destroys it, and just like in bleach, if you scale higher than the opponent performing the hax...the hax gets negated all get past infinity and win here.
Bro have you read the last dragon ball chapters? Goku in ui not only has telekinesis that can definitely get through infinity but as stated in the manga gojo controls what gets through infinity and that’s why light and air can reach him so Goku only has to “punch air real hard” or something like that
As far as I know, his ability works by categorizing things as threats. Then his technique does all the work, no matter if he can actually see the threats. Otherwise sneak attacks would easily be able to end him.
@@FutGamer0 In Dragonball your energy is relative to your speed and power. So the stronger you are, the faster you are, and vise versa. We know Goku has been universal since the battle of God's, and has become hundreds if not thousands of times stronger since then. Not only this, Goku was able to shake an infinite void with his presence alone, this requires infinite energy. Infinite energy=infinite speed
@@xeriencegoldentoast8658 my guy you are pulling crap out of your cheeks. As for the explanation you asked for, anything that approaches Gojo while his infinity is on will INFINITELY slow down, unable to ever come in contact with him. Goku does NOT have infinite speed as if that was the case Dragon Ball would be 100x shorter.
In theory, Gearshift should get him through Infinity. Infinity slows you down "infinitely" and distorts space to protect Gojo. Gearshift uses minor spacial manipulation to speed up and slow down Deku and/or things he touches.
Something i rarely see people bring up is that Goku's God Kamehameha has punched straight into pocket dimensions. During his rematch with Hit, Hit creates a pocket dimension using the stored time his Time-Skip creates. Goku then powers up to Blue and fires a Kamehameha so powerful that it just broke into another dimensional space and blasted Hit back out of it. I dont see any real reason as to why Infinity would be able to stop him. But for arguments sake lets say it does stop Goku right? By using verse equalization, Cursed Energy = Ki, thus creating a signature for Goku to lock onto using Instant Transmission. Theres nothing stopping Goku from just outright grabbing him that way and flinging him into Orbit.
We can end the debate easily, DBZ super buu can literally scream through dimensions, and create holes between space and time, current base goku's presence alone would vaporise that buu. Goku has been bypassing infinity, even higher infinities several times, i think Dre's knowledge about powers of db characters are still in the cell saga or the frieza saga.
if we use Verse Equalisation(Cursed Energy is the same as Ki) then Goku would destroy Gojo because his Ki is way higher and stronger than Gojo's cursed energy. in other words Goku's Ki would no doubt overpower Gojo no matter if he does Goku things or not
[spoilers don’t read if u aren’t caught up] I don’t know if we’re be specific but in the Sukuna pic it was yuji Sukuna that means Sukuna can’t adapt to infinity and use the world cutting slash
In Dragonballs defense, raw power cancels hax in that verse same way Jiren was able to move by overpowering the concept of time when he was frozen in time by Hit . Goku powering through infinity is very possible considering the sheer raw power difference between them.
Y'all be forgetting that db characters can cut or rip through dimensions and space times just by raising their ki, didn't u see super buu, gotenks screaming their way through htc, black cutting through dimensions or even timelines, and gogeta and broly punching in and out of dimensions, so that infinity ain't stopping shit.
ok sorry that there is no polish translation because every major company thinks we are a 5th world country. we have translation up to the 20th book, we are 7 books behind.
the thing with ki in dragon ball is it makes it so that if someone has a drastically higher power level it cancels out someone’s ability (i.e goku moving through a timeskip, vegeta punching through top’s destruction orb) so under verse equalization his energy would just make gojo’s infinity moot
lol when aizen casted hado 90 kurohitsugi it was insane like a black hole and ichigo broke through it with a hand smack idk think whatever you want but made me remember how broken ichi is : )
technically gearshift would ignore the way infinity works since it ignores the rules of momentum therefore preventing infinity from effecting it’s motion?
Maybe luffy can but under the condition of the use of advanced king haki that is a blow via Bluetooth and if Gojo doesn't use domain, but hollow purple is hard to say.
You keep forgetting that most domain expansion (except sakunas) can't or don't attack anyone without curse energy so infinite void is useless unless you do vers equalization. So if gojo trys to hit some without curse energy it won't do anything but get him killed or injured
To me infinitys untouchable nature seemed to have a limit so if something just speedblitz towards gojo and knocks him out in 1 hit they can win. Though i dont think most people here can reach fast speeds dispite makimas power if it travels since it feels near instant
Sukuna not smiling is wild. He literally divided him 😭🙏
Edit: ive started a war 💀🙏
🕺divided by 2 = Gojo
Judging by the pic I think the creator is anime only (even though most people know
😂😂😂😂he really made him go/jo
@@a_weak_raccoon I didn't understand sorry are you talking about the comment or dre
@@a_weak_raccoon you could be right
I love how simple the fact of infinity can turn a lot of Gojo’s losing matchups to at least stalemates. Really shows why Sukuna needed Big Raga in the first place.
And why I think Sukuna should be a maybe, bc without Big Raga he might not be able to beat Gojo
@@thetruedemonking5367yeah it would all depend on if Sakuna could think up the world slash himself without Raga showing him and if he can think it up before he loses to Gojo. Would be a high diff fight on both sides especially with the reincarnation card still in play.
@LBhomie03 yeah I agree. Although, some of these aren't really stalemates, like ichigo(I do believe that ichigo can get through infinity)
He literally cant hurt half of the character and he needs to turn it off to do something
no its just overrated, infinity is so ez to bypass 💀
Sukuna did jump my dawg with the oppa stoppa 😭
Facts
😂
I mean, it’s part of his kit 🤷♂️
Ya but know mahoraga is dead
@@Moomoomoomini youre absolutely right but I think in a fair one v one Gojo wins but still close fight cuz sukuna has crazy battle iq an he can cut thru anything
Dragon Ball characters from Buu saga and above have broken dimensional barriers.
Infinity isn't a dimension. It's infinite space.
@@eclipsesable7276 goku Shook the whole World Of Void in Ultra Instinct Omen which as a world of Infinite Space
Goku traveled infinite space lol @@eclipsesable7276
@@kaizel2264It is not infinite space. It is infintite nothingness or just nothingness. It is more of a feat for his ki control and not power /ablility to break dimensions telling he can control ki to such a small level that he can divide his ki into so little that it becomes nothing.
I don't know for the super manga but i don't think the physical world will shake like that since it contains weight and mass which would require massive amount of ki to move unlike nothing which would require nothing to move. And shaking the physical world will only result in loss of ki without any damage to the enemy. Goku is not THAT stupid. He got enough BIQ to know that a bad move. Hopefully, my understanding of UI is correct and the manga doesn't say that UI work differently.
@@kingofwinggamingAnd the grand priest had added space-time in the null realm
It would mean that he shook the infinite realm
And after the buu saga every character has ability to break through dimensions(that's what sukuna did he had to cut the space itself with the binding vow)
ichigo is having NO TROUBLE slicing gojo😂
characters that ichigo is stronger than has feats against stronger characters in bleach 😂
But do any of them possess a barrier of infinity noo so duhh stay quiet!!!!
@@Victro1002.0 there’s characters with powers 10x better and stronger than infinity
@@Victro1002.0 Kenpachi literally cut through space, so shush
@@Victro1002.0Tfw Gran Ray Cero's can manipulate space and matter and that's an ability Ichigo can use
Ichigo could just negate Infinity through Reiatsu alone
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Not like he actually needed to as he can get through it regardless
One thing I’ve never understood about Dre’s takes despite his takes for Bleach scaling being pretty fair, is this idea of Ichigo stalemating Gojo. We saw firsthand that spatial manipulation attacks can bypass infinity. Bleach gran rey cero’s are stated to bend space. Are we really saying Sukuna’s cleave is superior than a gran rey cero from Ichigo? Doesn’t really make sense to me.
@@ChillestSkeletonfor the benefit of the doubt let’s just say he missed that part I mean he’s still human and may have overlooked it
@@Heavenly828Still does not make sense. He knows atleast how the power of most MCs work. It would make sense if ichigo was not the MC and he didn't know how his power worked but ichigo has the third most popular powers in bleach after almightly and kyogu gestuto.
Ichigo power are also really straightforward and we know every single detail about them unlike the other two but he perfectly understand the other two powers.
Sukuna have seen two fangirls fighting over Gojo so he help them and divided him
Goku could just send him to space, knowing Goku he'll notice the infinity instantly and began quickly making a technique to break through it just like Sukuna did.
That's not happening and vice versa
Goku can just use telekinesis. (Only manga Goku has this though.)
really I thought anime goku had it buy just doesn't use it
can't goku just use the sealing?
Goku has instant transmission. He can go anywhere he senses energy. He just IT past infinity and holds onto Gojo. From there, he could push Gojo into space.
When it comes to ichigo, people usually bring up his scaling to get him past infinity, but i think he has another way to actually get through infinity. Ichigo can use granray cero, which is known to actually warp or break space.
I mean there's that, Reiatsu and the fact he flat out destroyed an entire Dimension on his own in the Fullbring Arc just from going into his Bankai
I think people just genuinely overrate infinity and don’t know how it works. One of its limitations is that it is affected by spatial manipulation attacks.
@kaimobley5324 ohh yeah, i kinda forgot the whole dimension thing that ichigo did back then. Ichigo shouldn't be a maybe because he definitely beats gojo. I don't know if Dre genuinely didn't know this or if he just ignored all these things that ichigo can do
@@ChillestSkeleton exactly, and you'd be surprised at how many characters have space manipulation
@@nerooyeye2196I mean you also have true bankai ichigo that was able to bypass the Almighty witch if literally reality and fate manipulation.
I agree with most of these takes by dre except for few. In my opinion Luffy can get through Infinity via Ryou since he isn't touching him physically. Ichigo can easily cut through Infinity, I mean Sukuna did it dimensional slash that isn't even country level in dc, meanwhile Ichigo's attacks are on par with multiversal beings like Ywhach. Also taking in account of speed, Gojo can't nearly catch up with most of these characters, which proves my next point about Goku. I always acknowledged and admired dre for his fiction-based knowledge, but cmon the hate on Goku is too much 💀 And i'm no goku meatrider, but dude can literally blast away Earth and what would Gojo do? I'll say it again, this is my personal opinion.
I mean it’s not just opinions but actual Facts for the most part the only maybe is luffy it depends on if his ability’s have travel time or not.
To give a bit of weight to the Goku thing, i think Dre means in a 1v1. Goku would never blow up the earth killing his friends like that.
Yh that's true.i don't think Goku would just blow up the planet and kill his friends like that@@dusky5535
@@dusky5535yeah circumstances are always important in a battle, say in a tournament, or if Gojo killed Krillin the battle changed drastically. But due to Goku’s scaling, speed and power output he should have no problem dealing with infinity especially in Ultra Instinct where the body would move on it’s own to lead Goku towards victory. But yeah Dre downplays Goku quite a bit
You’re on point with a few of these, but Goku wouldn’t just destroy the planet, even if it’s to kill whoever he’s fighting. Also the fact that Haki has to travel at all into Gojo’s body would discount it from working on him.
*cough cough* Instant Transmission *cough cough*
SSJ 3 can roar through dimensions but he can't get through Infinity??? Ok bro
''cough cough'' meatrider ''cough cough''
It really isn't if Gotenks can create a portal through dimensions than it's safe to say Goku can to, simple logic@@elijahkeeley4928
The only reason I will say instant transmission won’t do anything is because while it probably will get him through infinity after that in order to hit him infinity will activate when he tries to punch as his punches aren’t instant like instant transmission
Hakai 🗿
Lol its really funny that strongest characters here(Goatku and Ichigoat) doesn't smiling. Because they solo the verse even by preference.
Ichigo solo verse with his spiritual pressure alone😂😂😂
As long as you can cut through space or have any kind of spatial manipulation, you should be able to get through infinity
Can: ichigo, asta, Naruto, sukuna, Goku
Debatable: makima
Can’t: deku, meruem, luffy
They all mostly outscale him, except makima
Gearshift can depending on how you interpret it statements
Makima solos with Bang
True
Pretty sure deku can
@@gameuniverse5973 he could use gearshift to kind of trick infinity, but only if you assume he has no cursed energy and he can sneak Gojo.
Even if Ichigo cant cut through infinity, he still wins off of stamina
He can
@@Meepie_Playz ik he can, hence the "even if"
How? It doesn’t matter how much stamina you have considering infinity is never turned off for current gojo
@@boggy7091yes however you can exhaust gojo as his stamina isn't limitless as we see when kenjaku imprisoned him and in his fight with sukuna. Also Ichigo literally can just use a cero to bypass infinity
@@chillfenrir6050 that was only in very specific circumstances where he couldn’t just pop a domain immediately since they were surrounded by people tho. Also why are you bringing up other ways ichigo can bypass infinity when I’m talking about stamina
IMMEASURABLE SPIRITUAL PRESSURE... RELEASED all ichigo need to vaporized the JJK VERSE
There is really no debate when it comes to Goku and Ichigo to be honest.
They both have feats or have shown relativity to feats of dimensional barrier destruction.
Goku shaking the world of void, Buu screaming and breaking space-time, Broly and Gogeta breaking space-time and so on.
It's not even a matter of attack speed or range, just the power alone would obliterate Gojo and the Infinity, no questions asked.
Ichigo slaps away Kurohitsugi which is consistent as Aizen sits through one casually, Ichigo cuts Yukio's dimension destroying it in the process, fodder hollows traverse dimensions by literally ripping through space-time (Ulquiorra does this with his bare hand), ceros warp and distort space. Being a Quincy, he can absorb energy around him with his sword... that's basically Domain amplification on steroids, he would absorb all the curse energy powering Infinity and just cut Gojo with one swing of his sword.
His reiatsu is so heavy that Gojo merely sensing Ichigo would make him see illusions of his own death and make him give up his will to live instantly.
And these are just if we're playing along with the notion that "Infinity" HAS to be bypassed, considering the fact that once Gojo expands his domain once, it's over because his CT would be on cooldown and his RCT ain't stopping Goku or Ichigo. And yes, they both have ways around Infinite Void.
Ichigo just recently took on the memories and knowledge of the Reio, a being that has existed since the dawn of time and knows everything across Infinite timelines past, present and future. So Infinite information flooding his brain wouldn't do anything to him.
Also, he can break a domain barrier from the inside rather easily.
Even in the unlikely event where his brain is fried or he becomes paralysed, not only does Blut vene passively defend against anything Gojo can damage him with, White Zangetsu can just take over his body and I promise you, Gojo is not surviving the absolute terror that is Vasto Lorde Ichigo.
Goku also breaks out easily. Because he can react to teleportation, he has Infinite speed reaction time meaning his brain can already process information infinitely faster than normal so Infinite Void would just be instantly processed.
He has UI which grants him automatic movements without the input of thought, so even without an active brain he'd still beat Gojo.
And of course, even if Gojo does paralyse Goku, none of his attacks are damaging him. He'll just eventually regain autonomy and whoop Gojo anyway.
So like I said, these 2 are NOT in the slightest bit debatable.
True, and he said Asta can beat while Ichigo is a stalemate 😂
@@Mars-td7pbasta has an enhanced version of Yamis dimension slash, "Universal slash" which is just dimension slash but better AND cloaked in anti magic. Also through via versa, anti magic = anti cursed energy, since they are pretty similar. Also Ichigo negs gojo
@@mailman7804 So... Ichigo's slap (universal slash) aka World Slash.
And Quincy energy absorption (anti-magic) aka Domain Amplification.
They literally achieve the same things in this scenario lol.
@@revenantronin8377 I never said Ichigo is a stalemate tho? I said he negs gojo 😭
@@mailman7804 My bad, I didn't see the "also Ichigo negs Gojo" part until now. Maybe I read your response before you edited?
I was just pointing out that both Asta and Ichigo have similar win cons.
Imma just say this in DBZ super buu yelled and that yell was able to break through the time chamber basically making a hole in space and time that was a yell goku as of DBS is countless times stronger then DBZ super buu while at base meaning he could just punch a hole in infinity (also he does scale to infinite speed and also has the ability to teleport behind infinity so there’s that)
@SK-SK-07I'm not disagree with bro above but like how is telekinesis gonna help
Okay... just becsude we saw Buu do thst doesnt mean thst Goku csn do it. We have never seen Goku scream and break through a dimensions, for all we know only Buu, Gotenks and Broly have been seen doing that.
@@ryangreen2493 doesnt matter goku is fast enough to get through infinity
@@ryangreen2493 if your referencing the broly fight current manga goku should be around that level of power at that point in the fight
@@ryangreen2493ngl it's kinda true. That scream buu did is not a hack but of sheer power alone. Gotenks didn't use a hack either his sheer amount of power resulted in that. Just because goku and vegeta didn't try it doesn't mean they can't do it, considering everyone in dragon ball have energy they can form to almost anything.
Goku:*blows up the planet*
Out of character
@@yuufan5894 fair
He can just use telekinesis.
@@yuufan5894*tps through it-*
@@kingdnd50 that is a good Argument
If we’re talking Post-Rose Meruem I think it’s a different story. He has the durability to tank most attacks Gojo has other than most likely Hollow Nuke, and let say the fights take place in an arena. Meruem has mountain level AP using Youpis rage blast and could probably destroy any arena they’re fighting in with a big blast, and as we’ve seen, explosions can bypass infinity. Gojos Hollow Nuke did damage too him, if Meruem can use full power rage blasts consistently I think he gets the win. But idk, you can argue with me if you want.
Bro sukuna gave him the 50% of discount💀
Ryou gets through infinity since it doesn’t travel. Haki would equate to cursed energy anyways and would allow the intangible/untouchable to be hit
What's Luffy gonna do if gono opens his domain
@@RobloxianBalIer speed blitz. Luffy is MFTL, I don’t think anyone in jjk is even lightning speed
@@sharebear421they aren’t tbh.
Makima putting the literal encarnation of darkness on his knees in his own home... There is no way that gojo is tanking those bangs and those hand tortions.
If Goku can’t touch Gojo, he can just blow up the area. I’m sure he’ll find some goofy way to break through it though
Nah he's not
@@mrkingdrago1013if you're saying he won't find a way to get through infinity, you are dead wrong, Goku already has shown feats of shaking an infinite void, literally breaking reality, SCREAMING through dimensions, and even if Gojo lasts long enough to pop domain, UI is a perfect counter.
I wonder if you can make an argument for Meruems En or In ability? (Forgot which one it’s called) we know Infinity doesn’t stop or slow down light/photons so maybe that would get through?
and meruem is a specialist who didnt create an ability and because he is such a fast learner he could probably make one to get past infinity
Goku just blows up the earth gojo looses
What have you done
Why would he do that?
I think goko things here is him giving up cause he couldn't get through it or be bored and not fight at all
Bro whaaat why tf would goku do that
@@destroyer6990oh he would not get bored he would probably figure it out like he did with Hits time skip but it will take awhile
Asta also has an attack similar to dimensional Slash ( infinity Slash)
Asta got the anti venom symbiote equivalent to cursed energy aka the curse repellent lmfao😂😂😂😂. I imagine mahito tryna pull up to asta use his CT on him and it burns mahito to even touch him while asta saying unhand me u fiend.
Wouldn't luffys gear 5 powers turn infinity into rubber like how he catched the clouds during kaidos fight
Infinity isnt an object he cant just grab it
@@omereltayeb7711Toon Force buddy, Toon Force.
@@maryboyd8126 why didnt he toon force kiado? He didnt just blink away kiado luffy doesnt have toon force🤦♂️
@@omereltayeb7711 he 100% does, that's literally all Gear 5 is, he just hasn't realized he can literally do ANYTHING, have you actually watched One Piece?
@@maryboyd8126Average gear 5 glazer lol.Luffy can't imagine he can do anything his toon force is limited. If Luffy can imagine anything and it will happen, then you're basically saying he solos 99 percent of anime, which isn't true.
goku can easily bypass infinity,he havs hax like hakai and telekinesis,higher dimentional ap and inf speed,but goku downplayers just gonna deny it
Sukuna better turn that smile upside down he had to rely on Mahoraga to get him through infinity otherwise he'd have no way to actually get through it
Gojo: you cant get through my infinity
Goku: 😐 *punches him*
I firmly believe Goku could just punch a hole through Infinity
I firmly believe you're wrong in your assessment
@@mrkingdrago1013 If Gotenks and Buu could scream and rip a hole through the fabric of space in the Time Chamber he can definitely punch a hole through Infinity
@@mrkingdrago1013 If Goku is able to cause a dimensional rift, it’s not that far fetched to say he can just punch through infinity.
@@TheDeanFredericks he ripped a hole through a doorway of a hbtc not fabrics of space infinity is beyond that
@@mrkingdrago1013 I stand corrected but that was back in DBZ, MUI Goku is well beyond that
Damn the fact Gojo despite coming from a relatively weak universe than the others, he can rlly go to to toe with beings far stronger than him due to hax
Yea cus we know most of these characters kick his ass without it
Wdym toe to toe gojo is weak compared to most characters here the only reason he gets a chance of a stalemate is because of his infinity he can't do no damage to someone like goku
@@Spoodeefss which Goku is damn well fast enough to not be slowed down by infinity
@@VileThaMercenary fr
infinity is overrated, imo gojo is a haku victim
Dude goku has insta teleportation.
Well Luffy's Haki could possibly negate infinity or the projecting Haki could bypass infinity via Advanced Armament/Conquerors Haki it since Haki has no mass. or Gear 5 could toon force it.
Gojo definitely loses to ichigo gojo doesn't have unlimited stamina with infinity
Not only that, buy spiritual pressure exists, and ichigo can use gran ray cero
As long Deku has Gearshift, he can get through Infinity. Sukuna, yes. Luffy can beat him if he gets through Infinity, but I don't think he has anything to get through it. Makima, hell no. Naruto made a Rasengan that hit a limbo in another dimension, he negs. Ichigo already can exist in another dimension, he slaps. Asta outstats him, although anti magic doesn't mean anti curse technique. I still think he wins tho. Goku wins 100x over, don't even need to explain why. Meruem loses, sorry HxH fans
Asta anti magic kinda works like curse energy. Plus he use his dimension slash which also reverses cause and effect.
How does gearshift bypass Inf?
@@suru7064 ah, yeah. Forgot all about Yami's Katana. Yeah that boi destroys
@Question134 it let's Deku change the speed things accelerate through space, which include his attacks. It also ignores the law of inertia
@MaskedxRonin inertia still doesn't get past infinity, you'd have to prove inertia would be able to speed up to infinity which isn't happening.
Ichigo should be laughing like Kira cause one thing he didn’t mention here is that Naruto , luffy , ichigo and goku are just on another level of speed so gojo can’t catch them in the domain and even sukuna was able to overwhelm the passive infinity so it’s one punch from goku , Naruto and luffy or one slice from ichigo to turn the honored 1/2 to the demolished 1/10000
@@lameesgaming3088 Fax 😂
Honestly, since Luffy can rubberize and touch air in a way that he can run on it, he would absolutely just rubberize gojo’s infinity and then punch him with it or some shit. Plus Ryou would probably get through it since it moves into an object after the physical hit.
Even if Ichigo isn't cutting infinity he would win due to Gojo getting damaged by just reiatsu. even Gin got a chunk of his arm destroyed by just touching hogyoku Aizen
Well, I do think that ichigo could get through infinity, considering that he can use gran ray cero(I'm sure you know what gran ray cero does)
@@nerooyeye2196 considering Cero distorts space, that could also perfectly work
@@BirdsBestAnimal exactly, and I don't think gojo would be able to tank that. It seems like people tend to forget that something like gran ray cero exist in bleach
Don't forget Ichigo destroyed an entire Dimension on his own just from going into his Bankai during the Fullbring Arc
@@kaimobley5324 yeah, I forgot Ichigo did that
Midnight dre on his bullshit again
I audibly groaned the moment I heard the dreaded words: “Anti-magic equals anti-(insert power system here).”
@@True_King_of_Curses and you know?if goku does goku things,and how you scale his nirvana,
Sometimes he has said that " this is totally based on their skills and abilities"
Then proceed ranking them on their power levels,
@@IshanGaur-jf8fi It’s like, the takes aren’t *completely* awful, but even when he’s right, he explains in the *worst* way possible.
@@True_King_of_Curses most of his takes are awful,and downplay on other characters
Especially dragon ball characters,naruto characters....(Sasuke especially)
featherine, sung jin woo,archie sonic, shinra,asta,sinbad wank,i would say extreme overwank
He thinks archie sonic beats toaa....darksied,
He thinks if a character can talk to audience or creator is outerversal (he doesn't know about the 4th wall awareness)
@@IshanGaur-jf8fi Oh nah 💀. I legit just occasionally see these videos like, once a week at most, and even I found these opinions as pretty bad. Didn’t think it was *this* dogshit-
Also, IMO, Verse Equalization (which is something Dre LOVES to do for Asta) shouldn’t be used
I swear he could say Goku could lose to the Spy x family if he does “Goku things”
That's why you I don't watch him. This is what I get recommend and it's the worst takes ever. He already lost it at Deku, the literal first one
Sukuna is the reason Gojo had to change his name to Go/jo
I think goku could do it by bypassing it with instant transmission
That’s not how that works. He needs to lock on to someone’s Ki. Even if he didn’t need to do that, he can’t go through solid objects and forces with it
@@2btqjhe can sense ki within the room of spirit and time a separate dimension from the living world. He can shatter the universe with punches and us stronger than beings who can rip through dimensions just by screaming like super buu and gotenks.
Sure, he could go behind him, but how would that bypass Inf?
@Thecor13 again he's not getting through infinity bud..idc what mental gymnastics you use it's not happening little boy
@@mrkingdrago1013 Telekinesis is a hard counter but only manga dbs Goku has this.
Meanwhile we have literal space that is "infinity" and nobody can able to cut it out
Doesn't Ki from Dragon Ball bypass Hacks if someone is significantly stronger than some one else. That's why Jiren could move in Hit's stopped time.
Technically you are wrong about the sukuna part but idk if this form was when he had Mahoraga but if it wasn’t he would’ve lost as gege said im pretty sure but i think this was before gege ever said that
Can Gojo withstand Reiatsu(Ichigo) if no hed lose easily right?
That's not the only way Ichigo can get through Infinity. He also can use Grand Ray Cero which distorts Space itself and honestly he can just cut right through it regularly as him in the Fullbring Arc literally destroyed an entire Dimension just from going into his Bankai alone
@@kaimobley5324 true Fullbring Arc was Kinda lame until the End thow
@@kaimobley5324not to mention mugetsu and his raw strength breaking hado 90 (effects/distorts space and time) from aizen
Ichigo has 4D abilities that's enough to one tap Infinity with Gojo 💀..
@@ayush8349 Chill Bro I only wanted to know if Infinity holds off Reiatsu
Goku is 4D atleast. He's negging Gojo
How will he get through infinity then
@@player-hz8ec 4D>3D
@@Lolinono6338 meaning
@@player-hz8ec Goku is 4D or higher meanwhile Gojo is 3D and higher dimensonality>Hax
@@Lolinono6338 is gojos ability hax.isnt it like space divided an infinite amount of times
Luffy is packing Fraudjo 😭
Nobody:
Gojo watching a 6' pink fridge open infinity like a packrt of crisps
All of them win they all outscale go/jo god I’m tired of can he get through infinity argument for the KitKat fan base
It doesn’t matter if they outscale, they literally can’t harm him💀
@@lordgameboy1303A gojo fanboy admits it
@@lordgameboy1303 like everyone in this list has something or the other to harm Gojo and it's just a single attack from them that'll take him out..
@@ayush8349do any of them have an attack capable of bypassing infinity
@@Magnificent-S everyone here outscales Gojo but to my knowledge only Asta, Goku, Ichigo and Sukuna can easily bypass infinity..
Naruto is debatable..
Sukuna who LITERALLY WON, Makima(she could get past infinity with Mold/sacrifice ritual could bypass it, Bang/finger gun has zero travel time, so that also does it,) Naruto with frog kata, Ichigo because HE FUCKING BROKE A DIMENSION IN THE FULLBRINGER ARC, and in bleach, if you outscale the opponent performing the hax...the hax itself gets negated, Asta negates, Goku just screams away infinity, and destroys it, and just like in bleach, if you scale higher than the opponent performing the hax...the hax gets negated all get past infinity and win here.
Bro have you read the last dragon ball chapters? Goku in ui not only has telekinesis that can definitely get through infinity but as stated in the manga gojo controls what gets through infinity and that’s why light and air can reach him so Goku only has to “punch air real hard” or something like that
Thing is though, if your fast enough that his subconscious can’t realize your there, it won’t activate for you (season 2 of jjk, hidden inventory ark)
As far as I know, his ability works by categorizing things as threats. Then his technique does all the work, no matter if he can actually see the threats.
Otherwise sneak attacks would easily be able to end him.
Goku moves past infinite speed, he absolutely gets past infinity
No he doesn't? Where the hell did you pull this out of?
@@FutGamer0 In Dragonball your energy is relative to your speed and power. So the stronger you are, the faster you are, and vise versa. We know Goku has been universal since the battle of God's, and has become hundreds if not thousands of times stronger since then. Not only this, Goku was able to shake an infinite void with his presence alone, this requires infinite energy. Infinite energy=infinite speed
@@xeriencegoldentoast8658goku is not getting through infinity little boy
@@mrkingdrago1013 Explain it
@@xeriencegoldentoast8658 my guy you are pulling crap out of your cheeks. As for the explanation you asked for, anything that approaches Gojo while his infinity is on will INFINITELY slow down, unable to ever come in contact with him. Goku does NOT have infinite speed as if that was the case Dragon Ball would be 100x shorter.
Goku and Ichigo are DEFINITELY getting through infinity, its not even close fam 💀💀
What’s he gonna do punch his way thru, goku being strong got nothing to do with being infinitely slowed down trying to touch a target
@@Cynicalsinister, actually that's exactly what Goku's do 🤣🤣
My favorite thing about this is that you don’t even need verbalization for Austin to win he can just actually bypass the space
Even in infinity, luffy is fine. Bro has no mind to be fried. 😂
sukuna literally turned gojo into a kit kat
The fact that asta have better a chance than ichigo and goku is hilariously laughable
In theory, Gearshift should get him through Infinity. Infinity slows you down "infinitely" and distorts space to protect Gojo. Gearshift uses minor spacial manipulation to speed up and slow down Deku and/or things he touches.
What about conquerors haki? It shouldnt be stopped by infinity. And theres advanced armanent, it literally does damage inside oponent
Something i rarely see people bring up is that Goku's God Kamehameha has punched straight into pocket dimensions. During his rematch with Hit, Hit creates a pocket dimension using the stored time his Time-Skip creates. Goku then powers up to Blue and fires a Kamehameha so powerful that it just broke into another dimensional space and blasted Hit back out of it. I dont see any real reason as to why Infinity would be able to stop him.
But for arguments sake lets say it does stop Goku right? By using verse equalization, Cursed Energy = Ki, thus creating a signature for Goku to lock onto using Instant Transmission. Theres nothing stopping Goku from just outright grabbing him that way and flinging him into Orbit.
We can end the debate easily, DBZ super buu can literally scream through dimensions, and create holes between space and time,
current base goku's presence alone would vaporise that buu. Goku has been bypassing infinity, even higher infinities several times, i think Dre's knowledge about powers of db characters are still in the cell saga or the frieza saga.
if we use Verse Equalisation(Cursed Energy is the same as Ki) then Goku would destroy Gojo because his Ki is way higher and stronger than Gojo's cursed energy. in other words Goku's Ki would no doubt overpower Gojo no matter if he does Goku things or not
[spoilers don’t read if u aren’t caught up]
I don’t know if we’re be specific but in the Sukuna pic it was yuji Sukuna that means Sukuna can’t adapt to infinity and use the world cutting slash
Im like 20 chapters after gojo vs sukana ending and i stopped reading is this spoilers for me? Either way idc I dropped jjk
@anubis4032 if your caught up no it won't spoiler you but you said you dropped jjk so yeah it can spoilers you
In Dragonballs defense, raw power cancels hax in that verse same way Jiren was able to move by overpowering the concept of time when he was frozen in time by Hit . Goku powering through infinity is very possible considering the sheer raw power difference between them.
That’s sukuna in Yuji’s body without Maho. He’s unfortunately getting stomped
If gojo really made goku mad he might just get Zeno to erase lil bro 💀
Thought at this point it was common knowledge that Ichigo can definitely and easily cut through infinity
Makima's abilities arent even harming gojo
Gojo watching Goku speed blitz through infinity
All people forgot that Goku used hakai to bypass infinity, and yes, it is canon read the manga Zamasu arc
Gojo use the infinity in the attack:
THE SHOCKWAVE: hello
Goku would walk during Gojo's Domain and speedblitz him lmaooo
Btw for all the people that didn’t know domain amplification can bypass infinity
Y'all be forgetting that db characters can cut or rip through dimensions and space times just by raising their ki, didn't u see super buu, gotenks screaming their way through htc, black cutting through dimensions or even timelines, and gogeta and broly punching in and out of dimensions, so that infinity ain't stopping shit.
Idk why people try to downplay dbz I guess people don't want them to solo they're favorite corny isekai MCs
ok sorry that there is no polish translation because every major company thinks we are a 5th world country. we have translation up to the 20th book, we are 7 books behind.
the thing with ki in dragon ball is it makes it so that if someone has a drastically higher power level it cancels out someone’s ability (i.e goku moving through a timeskip, vegeta punching through top’s destruction orb) so under verse equalization his energy would just make gojo’s infinity moot
Same with Reiatsu from Bleach
Gotenks and Super Buu broke through dimensions by screaming. Goku would WALK through Infinity.
mahoraga through malevolent shrine style💀
that list is perfect bro wtf are you talking about 💀, gojo is a haku victim 💀
Sukuna could be either but literally half of these mfs should be frowning
Goku has the power to blow up the planet I just think he wouldn't even think about it
lol when aizen casted hado 90 kurohitsugi it was insane like a black hole and ichigo broke through it with a hand smack
idk think whatever you want but made me remember how broken ichi is : )
Gojo really does get carried by infinity in most cases
for goku his ki would kinda work as a bypass to infinity, if not, he just won’t do anything until gojo gets tired out
This is why i call him the Bald Sensei
Bro forgot that goku break the wall of physhic multeple time in the amine😭😭😭
technically gearshift would ignore the way infinity works since it ignores the rules of momentum therefore preventing infinity from effecting it’s motion?
Maybe luffy can but under the condition of the use of advanced king haki that is a blow via Bluetooth and if Gojo doesn't use domain, but hollow purple is hard to say.
This list was just "smile if I like you more than Gojo"
Did bro even really think about what the characters could do and have done? Ichigo and Goku have so many win cons its insane
That yuji kuna 15 fingers is the image he would get folded
If goku can punch someone in the future i think he can get through infinity plus he had inf speed since traveling through hell and that was in Z
To be fair, its showing yuji's sukuna, which wouldnt be able to defeat gojo
Cant ichigo and goku just blow up the planet and send him to space? He still needs air to breathe
You keep forgetting that most domain expansion (except sakunas) can't or don't attack anyone without curse energy so infinite void is useless unless you do vers equalization. So if gojo trys to hit some without curse energy it won't do anything but get him killed or injured
Its over when luffy pulls out airhead
To me infinitys untouchable nature seemed to have a limit so if something just speedblitz towards gojo and knocks him out in 1 hit they can win. Though i dont think most people here can reach fast speeds dispite makimas power if it travels since it feels near instant
Goku can bright dimensional barriers we see them through it a few times.