Early Analysis: Cessna 310 Crash July 18, 2023 Santa Fe, NM

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  • @pz2233
    @pz2233 ปีที่แล้ว +238

    Randy was an incredible person. So generous and kind. I loved him dearly as well as many others. Prayers for his family. He will be missed.

    • @sarahalbers5555
      @sarahalbers5555 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      So sorry for his loss, and prayers to for his family.

    • @ChosenWon
      @ChosenWon ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Sorry to know this. My condolences.

    • @02markcal
      @02markcal ปีที่แล้ว +15

      I just read that Randy, “built premier plastic surgery programs in Los Angeles and traveled the world caring for children with hard-to-treat deformities,” it sounds like Randy really helped a lot of people in his 72 years of life.

    • @SailingPennyLane
      @SailingPennyLane ปีที่แล้ว +3

    • @tvividy
      @tvividy ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@02markcalwow, what a man. Prayers to the family.

  • @noahgrove2046
    @noahgrove2046 ปีที่แล้ว +50

    Got to ride with Randy on a C-47 with him as the pilot. Absolutely incredible human being and a man who loved what he did. RIP sir.

  • @toddb930
    @toddb930 ปีที่แล้ว +63

    When Richard's on deck, I'm all ears. Thank You for the good reminders of what to prepare for given these circumstances.

    • @sarahalbers5555
      @sarahalbers5555 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      I am not a pilot, but a former flight attendant. Richard is an amazing teacher and unbiased source of information. I always look forward to these posts and the comments from the community. Thanks to all!

    • @richardmcspadden9189
      @richardmcspadden9189 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Thank you!

    • @toddb930
      @toddb930 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@richardmcspadden9189 -- my dear Richard, may you rest in peace. 😢

  • @mitchellh5869
    @mitchellh5869 ปีที่แล้ว +149

    Light twins: 1.5 times the power, 2x the cost and mechanical issues, 3x the skill required.
    The point made in the video about accepting a glide to landing off airport in some scenarios can't be forgotten. Break the mindset that a twin always makes it to a runway. So many pilots accept gliding into a field in a single engine airplane with open arms, only to suddenly chuck that mentality out the storm window the moment they get in an airplane with two props. If you know you're pushing the limits of SE performance (High, hot, and/or heavy!) for your airplane, consider that second engine your ticket to a better glide ratio, not a guarantee you'll make it back to pavement.

    • @jtc1964x
      @jtc1964x ปีที่แล้ว +6

      well stated

    • @wintercame
      @wintercame ปีที่แล้ว +16

      Wise words. the instinct seems to be save the plane rather than save yourself and it ends up doing neither.

    • @stevemadak6255
      @stevemadak6255 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yeah but I also think 2 bad choices were made by the pilot as well ; 1. "Im gonna gain altitude " and 2. Staying in the left turn- Did the suggestion by tower to go left to 33 stop him from making a long lazy right. Iunno, all monday morning QB. Rest in peace. Thoughts for the family

    • @pilotactor777
      @pilotactor777 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Could he have landed on that road? Just interested?

    • @semiprofessional8470
      @semiprofessional8470 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      ​@@pilotactor777road landings can sometimes work out fine, other times it's rush hour.

  • @jtc1964x
    @jtc1964x ปีที่แล้ว +60

    Outstanding anaysis - as usual. You are so informative yet respectful I can't applaud you enough

    • @roderickcampbell2105
      @roderickcampbell2105 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      These reports are wonderful. I hope they save lives.

    • @zakelwe
      @zakelwe ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@roderickcampbell2105 Yes, I am sure they do, or help out and reduce the consequences. I hope more people subscribe who are pilots.
      I am not a pilot and have to say I would be worried now travelling in a light aircraft with someone after seeing a lot of these. Even when people do not make terrible decisions and are good pilots, who fly well, there seems a very fine line at times and the consequences dire if you happen to cross it slightly.

    • @sethtenrec
      @sethtenrec ปีที่แล้ว

      @@zakelwe ironically so true in the case of this video

  • @petemyers9428
    @petemyers9428 ปีที่แล้ว +57

    I was on the southern end of Santa Fe when the 310 went down, and saw the horrible black smoke. We have been having calculated 10,000+ density altitudes for weeks. It was HOT the morning of the accident. Santa Fe has been near all-time record heat this past week. Please be careful this summer. It is not worth the risk when it gets so hot at high altitude (6300ft field elevation).

    • @jmax8692
      @jmax8692 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      You’re calling the pilot stupid and acting like you’re being helpful. GFY

  • @christiangreen2070
    @christiangreen2070 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    RIP Richard... you were a great pilot, and an even better man. Fly high.

    • @julienb5815
      @julienb5815 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Yeah I just had this video pop in my suggestions, I hadn't watched any other from him since the accident, and frankly it's still heartbreaking to watch...

  • @Thechist781
    @Thechist781 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Those light twins is the kind of plane I wouldn’t ever want to have an engine failure on takeoff. That’s nearly a death sentence 😮

  • @andrewpomerantz4854
    @andrewpomerantz4854 ปีที่แล้ว +23

    The excellent commentary and analysis is very much appreciated. The outcome of this situation is truly terrible and tragic. Dr. Sherman was an ambassador to both the aviation and medical communities. Condolences to his family and may he RIP.

  • @flyingmulerider7166
    @flyingmulerider7166 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    Richard RIP - You will be missed by thousands of us.

    • @sethtenrec
      @sethtenrec ปีที่แล้ว

      Who you talking to?

    • @AM-hs4bz
      @AM-hs4bz ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@sethtenrecthis man who presenting the show died recently in aircraft crash

    • @sethtenrec
      @sethtenrec ปีที่แล้ว

      @@AM-hs4bz I know, plane piloted by former NFL player Russ Francis. They made a mistake. Or he made a mistake I guess. Oops!
      But the OP above, who is he talking to? As you point out, the guy is dead. Lame comment.

  • @jjohnston94
    @jjohnston94 ปีที่แล้ว +17

    I live about 35 miles south of Santa Fe at a field elevation of 6500' and to the pilots around here, summer is for annuals. We've got something like 300 VFR days per year, so we're not missing out.

    • @kwittnebel
      @kwittnebel ปีที่แล้ว +3

      This seems like an immediate take home lesson, even without any facts.

    • @jimmiller5600
      @jimmiller5600 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Up north we use Winter for annuals since ice is our problem.

  • @GregSr
    @GregSr ปีที่แล้ว +12

    Great breakdown of the factors involved in this crash. I am not a pilot but I spent 4 years assigned to a KC-135 flight simulator as a maintenance tech in the USAF. Part of my job included daily pre-flighting the simulator to ensure all systems are operating correctly. Also, during simulated flights with actual crewmembers, my job was to observe the various training "missions" to detect any anomalies in the equipment that may need further attention. One of the most common simulated failures was having an outboard engine fail during rotation at takeoff. Too often, the pilot would step on the wrong rudder pedal to compensate for the severe differential thrust. Of course, that caused the simulator to simulate a loss of control and then simulate a crash. When that happened, the IP (instructor pilot) would become very angry with the crew. Whenever responding to an engine failure, over the years, I heard him say emphatically "step on the good engines" when referring to the rudder pedals and which rudder response is called for.

  • @Paul1958R
    @Paul1958R ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Colonel McSpadden,
    Thank you for your analysis and professionalism.
    Paul (in MA)

  • @russhartley4964
    @russhartley4964 ปีที่แล้ว +25

    First off, condolences to the family. It does sound like he was a capable pilot as well as a surgeon, and there are four immediate takeaways or lessons learned to use today. First, know your density altitude and how to apply that to your s.e.l. Climb chart and if the number is too low for you, reduce the weight and/or leave at a cooler daylight time. Second, brief your departure and worst case emergency procedure to yourself before each departure (he had a nice clear area straight ahead. Third, know that emergency procedure (and practice it at recurrent training) by heart. You might not have time if you’re single pilot in a light twin to reference a checklist. But do use it when you get the “aviate” portion well under control. And fourth, RAISE THE DEAD engine that is. ALWAYS bank into the good engine. This pilot did not have quite yet the aviate portion in hand yet so there was really no need to talk to the tower, the controller was not going to help save the day and as a matter of fact contributed to the bad situation by saying he was cleared left turn back. I would not lhave been saying anything (except “oh shit” to myself) until I had the emergency under control. I loved that airplane, especially the turbo models as I flew 100s of hours flying freight in them at night, with only once having a partial engine failure, over a city.

  • @metaloper
    @metaloper ปีที่แล้ว +3

    The quality content of this channel never ceases to amaze me.

    • @richardmcspadden9189
      @richardmcspadden9189 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Thank you. We are able to tap into a lot of depth and breadth at AOPA.

  • @sananselmospacescienceodys7308
    @sananselmospacescienceodys7308 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    RIP Richard McSpadden. You were one of the greats.

  • @deani2431
    @deani2431 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Can’t imagine a better person than Richard to help us all learn from and avoid these tragedies. Thank-you.

    • @sethtenrec
      @sethtenrec ปีที่แล้ว

      I think he taught us how to learn from and avoid these tragedies. Stay out of these light aircraft.

    • @Triple_J.1
      @Triple_J.1 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Fly the wing. Nothing else matters. Thrust is optional. Lift is not!

  • @CapFreddy
    @CapFreddy ปีที่แล้ว +29

    As a light twin pilot my self, I can only hope that when (and if) I have a real engine failure my glider pilot instincts will keep me from trying to fly when the airplane is not. That’s the major survival factor in a light twin engine failure. Sometimes the operative engine will only fly you to the crash site.

    • @colinrasmussen9470
      @colinrasmussen9470 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      You need better training.

    • @markg4459
      @markg4459 ปีที่แล้ว

      CapFreddy speaks wisdom and mirrors what we heard from the speaker. @@colinrasmussen9470 does not.

    • @AlanMydland-fq2vs
      @AlanMydland-fq2vs ปีที่แล้ว +2

      blue line baby😂

    • @sethtenrec
      @sethtenrec ปีที่แล้ว

      If only aircraft used quality engines like those made by Honda and Toyota.

  • @trumpsmessage7777
    @trumpsmessage7777 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    No one wants to ditch an aircraft away from a regular runway but sometimes it's your best option.

  • @CompleteWalkaround
    @CompleteWalkaround ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Excellent video. Gold standard of accident analysis.

  • @NW.Modern
    @NW.Modern ปีที่แล้ว +13

    Great point about accepting your off airport landing rather than augering in at 100kts+ still trying to climb. Sad and discouraging to see any pilot go down like this, but particularly one with this breadth of time and experience.

    • @boneseyyl1060
      @boneseyyl1060 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      If you look at the area, the choice of an off site landing was as simple as looking down. He even had the option of a dirt road that was perpendicular with runway so he wouldn't even have required a turn and most likely could have gone gear down, particularly if he was having trouble raising them. Of course in that situation processing the information and making a decision is extremely difficult and time sensitive. I bet in flying those older aircraft, his natural instinct would be to preserve them in this type of a situation. Perhaps that kicked in here.
      But the fatal error of turning into the dead engine, seems like a massive oversight for someone with the vast experience he had.

    • @bastogne315
      @bastogne315 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      He died doing what he loved.

    • @sethtenrec
      @sethtenrec ปีที่แล้ว

      @@bastogne315 yeah, that helps 🙄

  • @phantomraven5044
    @phantomraven5044 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Rip Richard, I will miss these videos hosted by you :(

  • @toma5153
    @toma5153 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    A great clear and concise presentation. Thanks.

  • @edadan
    @edadan ปีที่แล้ว +3

    My instructor told me the best thing to do if you lose an engine on a twin during takeoff is to pull both throttles back to idle and land straight ahead. Even though I never flew a twin, I never forgot him giving me that advice…this was around 1992.

  • @romandecaesar4782
    @romandecaesar4782 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Thank you sir for pointing out that sometimes the best option in this situation is to feather both engines and prepare the aircraft for an off-field landing such as on a road or highway.

  • @srgordon26
    @srgordon26 ปีที่แล้ว +27

    Thanks for the analysis. Too bad there wasn't a better outcome.

  • @bobteter4300
    @bobteter4300 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Good video, but please recheck the comment (7:28) that the SE climb performance is based on wings level climb. Normally the climb performance is based on climbing with a five degree bank into the good engine which reduces the sideslip and drag. Great comment on accepting what you have got if you are not climbing. If it happens before the gear is up, think as a friend said "well I just sold the aircraft to the insurance company" power off both sides and go for the straight ahead off field landing.

  • @jonathanantoun1367
    @jonathanantoun1367 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I love these analyses. I am not even a flight attendant. I believe these are great informative videos for any pilots to learn from.

  • @kevinmurphy2739
    @kevinmurphy2739 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    I love the way you describe the issue in hand Not all of us are rocket scientist.

  • @octopusonmyback
    @octopusonmyback ปีที่แล้ว

    Richard is one of the most clear and logical speakers I've ever heard. Keep up the excellent work.

    • @octopusonmyback
      @octopusonmyback ปีที่แล้ว

      Lesson learned: (1) be prepared when flying in high density altitude, and (2) in an engine out situation even at low altitude, where a second engine can provide sufficient climb performance for the situation, be prepared to fight back the instinct to turn toward the quickest landing pattern, particularly if that turn leans to the off engine, and concentrate first on gaining altitude to run the checklist(s) and perform a single engine landing. What is surprising is that the last words of the pilot seem to indicate he understood this and was focussed on gaining altitude. I suspect something else happened after he started to attempt to gain altitude. One possibillity is that the wrong engine was turned off.

    • @richardmcspadden9189
      @richardmcspadden9189 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thank you for the kind comments.

  • @IslandSimPilot
    @IslandSimPilot ปีที่แล้ว +3

    “Put all the odds in your favor.”
    - Barry Schiff

  • @shenandoahhills7263
    @shenandoahhills7263 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Excellent review. With such a failure merely flying the aircraft can absorb much of your brain power. Having to take one's hand off the controls to run through the engine failure sequence can be very demanding when you can hardly keep the aircraft under control. With the high D/A everything on the s/e checklist must be correctly and expeditiously completed or the aircraft simply will not perform. This is where recent/recurrent single engine failure proficiency is so important.

  • @JLFerguson
    @JLFerguson ปีที่แล้ว +4

    These early analysis videos are great but what happened to the full length videos? I miss them. They were awesome.

    • @AirSafetyInstitute
      @AirSafetyInstitute  ปีที่แล้ว +8

      More Accident Case Studies coming soon.

    • @mickcollins1921
      @mickcollins1921 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@AirSafetyInstitute I was wondering the same thing. Good to hear.

  • @RegularItemShow
    @RegularItemShow ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Tragic but a solid reminder to do your density altitude calculations.

    • @Mikinct
      @Mikinct ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Learned something.
      I thought even with density altitude any turbo charged engines performs as it would at sea level?
      I'm guessing now that may not be the case?

    • @linanicolia1363
      @linanicolia1363 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Well, yes that was the first consideration he likely missed and that left turn, with an idle left engine.....was the kiss of death.

    • @Jopanaguiton
      @Jopanaguiton ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@MikinctYes it can be done. I’ve demonstrated a cessna T310 with a RAM 2 conversion climbing from 9000FT at a rate of 200Ft/minute. However contrary to the VMC demo. My Airspeed was below blue line but above red line while maintaining direction control. Engine settings on the good engine were at 32 inches and 2500 RPM. POH says it can maintain 17000 FT on one engine but the climb performance will start to degrade around 13000 FT as you would have to maintain a higher indicated airspeed to maintain directional control as rudder would become less effective with denser air.

    • @DirtFlyer
      @DirtFlyer ปีที่แล้ว

      If you watched the video, it wasn't density altitude that was the problem. He should have been able to slowly climb to 17,000 feet on a single engine under those conditions. It sounds like he did not get the plane set up properly for single engine.

    • @Mikinct
      @Mikinct ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @linanicolia1363 where did snyone state which engine died? It's just a guess at this point, right? Could've been the right engine that lost power until the investigation is done.

  • @dougfortnam9104
    @dougfortnam9104 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Richard,
    Thanks for the early analysis on these accidents realizing that everything is not known about the accident, but there are definitely lessons that can be learned while the accident is fresh in our minds.

  • @greenkwaka
    @greenkwaka ปีที่แล้ว +1

    great breakdown, and 100% agree with your final thought.

  • @jaydibernardo4320
    @jaydibernardo4320 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Perhaps the pilot turned too soon before sorting out his plane. That checklist is rather daunting as well. Pilot was one busy person trying to handle everything. Got me. My condolences to his family. Wish this would've turned out better.

  • @stevemadak6255
    @stevemadak6255 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Its crazy how hot and dry it gets every summer here in New Mexico. Lots of the state has high altitude. This was in the 'cool' morning. I Fly RC jets. Electric ducted fans. Planes that will fly out of your hand @ sea level (easily hand launched) will take a full throttle run on a 300' runway to take off. Its amazing how much MMPH you lose with thin dry air.

    • @stevek8829
      @stevek8829 ปีที่แล้ว

      Dry isn't a density problem, humid is.
      High, hot, humid.

  • @olivierXV
    @olivierXV ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you for the loud and clear reminder

  • @daveaver
    @daveaver ปีที่แล้ว

    Well done on the upgraded overview w/charts and aides.

  • @hivoltagedriver
    @hivoltagedriver ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Working on my multi-engine add-on now. I can attest to how much more difficult a light twin is to fly on a single engine.

  • @wildgoose419
    @wildgoose419 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    "Don't fight it...accept it... deal with the best option you have available." That's a simple and yet wonderful piece of advice, and so logical. I think Richard McSpadden might be a Vulcan.

  • @Luftpirat89
    @Luftpirat89 ปีที่แล้ว

    Outstanding analysis. And really sorry for the loss. Blue skies ✈️

  • @stephenskierski5633
    @stephenskierski5633 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Single engine max altitude is about 7500 not 17500, the density altitude was higher than the single engine service ceiling.

    • @jimw1615
      @jimw1615 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Cessna T 310 R, II turbocharged - Performance Data
      Horsepower: 285 Gross Weight: 5500 lbs
      Top Speed: 237 kts Empty Weight: 3723 lbs
      Cruise Speed: 223 kts Fuel Capacity: 102 gal
      Stall Speed (dirty): 70 kts Range: 517 nm

      Takeoff Landing
      Ground Roll: 1306 ft Ground Roll 640 ft
      Over 50 ft obstacle: 1662 ft Over 50 ft obstacle: 1790 ft

      Rate Of Climb: 1700 fpm Rate of Climb (One Engine): 390 fpm
      Ceiling: 27400 ft Ceiling (One Engine): 17200 ft

    • @jimw1615
      @jimw1615 ปีที่แล้ว

      Cessna T310R II Performance Specifications
      Horsepower: 2 x 285 HP
      Best Cruise Speed: 223 KIAS
      Best Range (i): 517 NM
      Fuel Burn @ 75%: 27.2 GPH
      Stall Speed: 70 KIAS
      Rate of climb: 1,700 FPM
      Rate of climb (1 engine out): 390 FPM
      Ceiling: 27,400 FT
      Ceiling (1 engine out): 17,200 FT

    • @johningram9081
      @johningram9081 ปีที่แล้ว

      I disagree please check the specs again.

  • @billbrunson3800
    @billbrunson3800 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    i think the focus should not be on why the engine quit. the time for figuring out why is later. it quit so dont turn into a dead engine.

  • @pjstew
    @pjstew ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Will be of interest to find out what state the props were in- whether the correct one, or if any, were in feather or not. Even so, turns on one engine are very demanding in terms of aircraft performance, as this video mentions.

    • @linanicolia1363
      @linanicolia1363 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      these turns are discouraged, especially in low altitude.

  • @craignajjar1671
    @craignajjar1671 ปีที่แล้ว

    This video is excellent! Thank you for the lesson!

  • @SkylineBaronPilot
    @SkylineBaronPilot ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Thank you for sharing. Always appreciated. Great reminder for sure.

  • @dks13827
    @dks13827 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    As I review this................. he should fly straight ahead as long as need be to get altitude..... then he would be fine.

    • @linanicolia1363
      @linanicolia1363 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      yeah. You could lose both engines and land straight down, hoping to miss any house or anything in the way. You may total the plane, but walk away.....

    • @wintercame
      @wintercame ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@linanicolia1363 In this case there was land clear of obstacles straight ahead. With the left turn he plowed into a trailer home.

  • @180mph9
    @180mph9 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Great report, my 2 cents is in line with your evaluation, put another way, he stopped flying the airplane, instead he felt it was necessary to start talking to ATC instead of following the procedures you outlined, straight ahead, clean up, lower wing slightly.
    At that density altitude, the 310, 402 and 421 need both engines to fly, picking a relatively flat spot and ditching it straight ahead was his only
    chance, making the turn sealed his fate. The DTSB makes it a point for pilots to mentally brief themselves prior to every departure, this technique can save lives in any aircraft.

    • @bobteter4300
      @bobteter4300 ปีที่แล้ว

      It's easy for us to be critical, but you would be hard pressed to find a more qualified MEL pilot. Fate is the Hunter, may he RIP.

    • @180mph9
      @180mph9 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@bobteter4300 I’m guessing he didn’t actually know what poor performance was available on the day in that 310. I wonder when the last time he did any SE air work. Training matters.

  • @garyprince7309
    @garyprince7309 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    You gave us a very good overview of procedure for engine loss in a twin for a stable climb and thank you. However, no mention was made on turning into the dead engine. It sounded like the tower asked if he could make a left turn, directing him to the closest runway. It would be sad to find out that he turned into a dead engine trying to rush into a landing on the closest runway, instead of following procedure to establish a climb of some sort straight ahead, or if not possible landing straight ahead gear up. Hopefully, he wasn't in 'gotta save this plane' mode.

    • @sethtenrec
      @sethtenrec ปีที่แล้ว

      Well, we heard him say that he was gonna try to get some altitude. But I guess he forgot to do that before he made that turn. Don’t forget he was 72.

  • @sibtainbukhari5447
    @sibtainbukhari5447 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Miss your videos Richard . Fly high

  • @jerrymarbury9365
    @jerrymarbury9365 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I don't fly planes but have watched scores of these uploads.It seems that many crashes of twin engine planes occur when the pilot tries to return to the airport with a quick U turn.I understand the get back on the ground as soon as possible but often it leads to disaster.

  • @revampmobilesolutions8851
    @revampmobilesolutions8851 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great video as usual, may he fly with angels now 😢

  • @randominternet5586
    @randominternet5586 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    The focus on density altitude is important, but it's possible this airplane had a fair bit of margin still. He was solo - that usually means a LOT less weight when you include luggage etc etc. Some cessna 310's are carrying 6 people aren't they? And many are turbocharged. The other issues (cleaning up / feathering / bank / direction of turn etc) all seem like potentially very direct contributors. Gear out, no feather, turn into dead engine, let speed decay? That would be pretty bad. If he was trying to climb my guess is his speed WAS decaying (keep speed is usually part of engine out but I don't know multi) - that was his radio call.

  • @webcucciolo
    @webcucciolo ปีที่แล้ว +20

    As I commented under Blancolirio's video:
    "6400 maximum, then down to 6100, so the airport actually seems to sit higher than immediately surrounding terrain. Even if he feathered correctly, it's obvious that he was never gaining altitude, which was his plan (as per audio). I wonder if, after noticing that he wasn't gaining altitude, he tried to go for the highway.
    When I fly single engine I tend to always look for suitable field to land, while when I fly the Seminole (counter-rotating prop, so no critical engine) I tend to focus more on Vmc and proper procedure. But we need to remember that even in a twin, we need to look for suitable landing area in case of engine failure. Two months ago at KLAF (low altitude, 600ft) on simulated engine failure I could barely climb while keeping slightly above Vmc, even after simulating feathering 😮"

    • @Saml01
      @Saml01 ปีที่แล้ว

      Good point! Every pilot should look at the Google map around their home field to find suitable landing spots or taking it a step further and using the measurement tool. You'd be surprised what looks big enough but is not.

    • @igclapp
      @igclapp 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I'm not sure why you were trying to climb just above Vmc. Fly blue line (Vyse) for best single engine climb rate. You should never be below blue line except on short final when landing is assured. Note however that Vyse may be slightly lower than what is marked on the airspeed indicator when flying at low weights or high density altitudes.

  • @dianaeisner8939
    @dianaeisner8939 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Winds calm? What was the terrain elevation situation on the oppisite runway?

  • @benlundgren3760
    @benlundgren3760 ปีที่แล้ว

    I am not a pilot but at 35 years old I can’t imagine learning this skill and being so knowledgeable and reactive, to navigate an emergency situation.

  • @bombsaway6340
    @bombsaway6340 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    Great analysis. This pilot seemed exceptionally well qualified and capable of dealing with this emergency. Hopefully the NTSB can sort this out and we can learn from this tragedy.

    • @greggpedder
      @greggpedder ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Clearly not or he would still be alive. 🤔

    • @MarkJoseph81
      @MarkJoseph81 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      ​@greggpedder That's not necessarily true.

    • @bombsaway6340
      @bombsaway6340 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      @@greggpedder Even great pilots make mistakes or find themselves in no win scenarios.

    • @Bren39
      @Bren39 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      ​@@bombsaway6340well then you're not great right? But I know that it's very hot out there these days and the plane wasn't climbing and he was over hostile terrain... It's always better to crash land into ground as opposed to stalling in the air. Also if it was a left engine out, turning left was a mistake.

    • @flyingphobiahelp
      @flyingphobiahelp ปีที่แล้ว

      Mother Nature is very unforgiving and doesn’t give two hoots as to experience or type ratings. Respect her!!

  • @tomrohan8480
    @tomrohan8480 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thanks for the indepth analysis Sir.. lesson learnt is on an engine failure just on lift off..
    - counter the yaw
    - wings level
    - landing gears in
    - feather the inoperative engine
    - maintain single engine climb out speed
    - gain safe alt
    And then look for landing options
    Thankyou Sir

    • @igclapp
      @igclapp 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      It's better stated as:
      1. Maintain heading with rudder
      2. Pitch for blue line
      3. Mixture, props, throttles forward
      4. Gear up, flaps up
      5. Identify, verify, feather
      6. Establish zero sideslip (3-5 degrees bank into the good engine and half a ball into the good engine).

  • @andik2329
    @andik2329 ปีที่แล้ว +27

    That pilot seemed to be very qualified to fly this Cessna. He sounded very calm when reporting his engine failure to tower. We are not sure which engine failed at this point but the tower cleared him for a left turn. I learned that you never want to turn towards the dead engine. The tower, in my opinion, should just have said "cleared to land any runway". Aviate, navigate, communicate.
    I know the tower wants to help but they should understand that the pilot in distress runs the show. If the pilot needs anything from tower he will call. Keep communication to the absolute minimum and let the pilot fly. He is pretty busy.

    • @F1fan007
      @F1fan007 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      The tower first cleared him to turn left and then cleared him for any runway of his choosing. He probably should have declared an emergency, ignored the tower and flown straight until he gained some altitude and had things cleaned up before turning and communicating further. And make sure he turned into the good engine. I 100% agree about all the talking, especially single pilot at age 72

  • @greathornedowl3644
    @greathornedowl3644 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you for the informational video. Great reminders for all pilots

  • @capnhawk51
    @capnhawk51 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I had a left engine failure right after take-off in a tired, old Piper Apache. Fortunately, being a short field, the gear was already retracted. It was a thrill a minute getting back to my home field, as that Apache would not climb over 900 feet MSL. What it did prove was that I was a better pilot than I thought.

  • @NeonsStyleHD
    @NeonsStyleHD ปีที่แล้ว +12

    I tried this in the same plane in Microsoft Flight Simulator in the same conditions. I couldn't get a climb rate out of it on one engine at that density altitude, and I also crashed. More specifically, I failed the right engine just after take off. The plane struggled to stay level, in fact I couldn't maintain level flight. I rotated at 90 knots, and was about 100 feet above ground when the engine failed, and it just rolled right and crashed. I feel for this fellow. What bitch of a situation to find yourself. :(

    • @wilsont1010
      @wilsont1010 ปีที่แล้ว

      Does it mean that you should rotate at higher airspeed to cater to the environmental conditions?

  • @redb.3885
    @redb.3885 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    So sad to see this😢

  • @DC-338
    @DC-338 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Excellent video. A tragic accident and a loss to both his family and community.
    As for causes, Is it possible that under pressure and due to the high density altitude that the first reaction to the failure would be to push the mixture up to full rich instead of leaving it set for best power at that altitude? Mixture is the first item on the checklist and says “as required for flight altitude” however it is very easy to do when most of your training and home base is at sea level that with a failure the ingrained first reaction in memory is mixture full rich as that results in max power at sea level. Full rich in this case would cause a loss of performance due to the altitude. Also with his significant experience is more complex types that have auto rich functions some reversion may have been a factor. Any which way it is easy to judge when not in the seat. I look forward to the report and the lessons from the video particularly about accepting on off field landing if there is a lack of performance is pertinent. On old and wise instructor once told me that in light twin the second engine will carry you to the scene of the accident.

  • @rogerwilcoshirley2270
    @rogerwilcoshirley2270 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Very important case for us light twin pilots. Gave me new perspective on temperature related airfield DA WRT preflight preparation/considerations. One thing of importance is advising which engine failed b/c normally one would want to keep (gentle shallow) turns to the side of the good engine. If he had a left engine failure he would want to avoid left turns and needed to immediately advise tower. Another reason to keep the engines in good shape so a remaining engine can indeed provide max or near max power. Furthermore consideration must be given to mixture settings for max power , full forward is great for cooling but may not provide max power esp at high DA. It was moot but esp at a larger airport he should also have immediately declared an emergency so ATC could put the commercial jets out of the way on a hold or such. Addendum: did his engine actually quit or seize or did the turbocharger fail causing big MAP splits? TC failure esp at high DA may result in significant performance decrement on that side but usually would not require shutting that engine down and feathering, just ignore the split MAPs till back safely on the runway.

  • @kennethraysealsphotography3513
    @kennethraysealsphotography3513 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    There is a river valley off to the right. I would have headed for that until a safe altitude could be attained.

  • @cieloaltoa3405
    @cieloaltoa3405 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you and great video as always ! 👍👍👍👍👍👍😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤

  • @davidbaldwin1591
    @davidbaldwin1591 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I would be interested in how much PIC time this pilot had in the warbirds, especially the multis. I would imagine the warbird multi PIC's would always have engine out procedure down pat.

  • @user-sq9dv7ru7v
    @user-sq9dv7ru7v ปีที่แล้ว

    The info I was looking for was an explanation for the left turn. What prevented a better right turn?

  • @jafar6785
    @jafar6785 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks for the insights.

  • @davecat1458
    @davecat1458 ปีที่แล้ว

    Question. Did pilot firewall throttles and mixture. If so, it could have reduced power output in remaining engine. Turbo's don't like to be red-lined. This may well have nothing to do with density altitude and more about training.

  • @crochelt
    @crochelt ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Pilot was a brilliant surgeon. He will be missed by many

    • @02markcal
      @02markcal ปีที่แล้ว

      I just read that Randy, “built premier plastic surgery programs in Los Angeles and traveled the world caring for children with hard-to-treat deformities,” it sounds like Randy really helped a lot of people in his 72 years of life.

    • @crochelt
      @crochelt ปีที่แล้ว

      @@02markcal He was a friend of a friend. Apparently extroadinary man. Too bad. Only good thing was the house was apparently empty.

  • @F1fan007
    @F1fan007 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Excellent analysis. So tragic and a good reminder all the way around to know it can happen to the best. He must have had a severe case of wanting to get back to the airport. So tragic that he made a left turn. How many hours total did he have? Sounds like he had made plenty of good decisions and had grat flying skills to make it to 72.

  • @Maniac742
    @Maniac742 ปีที่แล้ว

    This is my home airfield. I'm not multi-rated, but from what I understand, the first thing you do when you have an engine failure is get clean. Get above clean stall speed, get the gear up, get the flaps up, and get to best single engine climb speed. Then you can start to unfuck things. Turning is not going to help your situation if your aircraft isn't clean and well past VMC. Not sure if ATC giving the man a turn was a factor in the crash, but it certainly doesn't help adding more work to an already over-saturated work load.

  • @Cokie907
    @Cokie907 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Recency of experience is key. Especially at such a high density altitude. There's very little room for error or sloppiness in procedure. Another factor some may not consider is wind shear due to orographic or other turbulence. Not a big deal at full power but a huge deal when hugging blue line with an unfeathered prop, gear, flaps and lights flapping in the breeze.

  • @TheThinkinGuy
    @TheThinkinGuy ปีที่แล้ว

    as a lay person watching this, is the suggetion not to turn around but to continue to fly straight and climb until you can get to the next forward airport?

  • @kennethraysealsphotography3513
    @kennethraysealsphotography3513 ปีที่แล้ว

    Excellent presentation! Thanks.

  • @NeonsStyleHD
    @NeonsStyleHD ปีที่แล้ว +3

    So sad, but you can see the difficulty he had since the Airport (KFAF)'s surveyed elevation is 6348 feet MSL. All the surrounding terrain is 6500 and above in the immediate area of the airport (according to the approach plate for Runway 20). Yet his departure altitude was at most 6050 feet MSL. Something is wrong with his altitude figures as he's lower than the terrain he's flying over. Very sad. Approach plate can be viewed on Skyvector.

    • @jeffhiner
      @jeffhiner ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Maybe the ADS-B data is output pressure normalized to 29.92? Barometric pressure was 30.27 which would be about a 350 foot difference, which lines up with the data.

  • @terryrobertson8382
    @terryrobertson8382 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Having flown a Cessna T-50 Bobcat with 245 HP engines and CS but not feathering props, the rule was if an engine failed on takeoff to pull back the throttles and land straight ahead. There was no hope of flying on one. Better to crash wings level than nose down and/or inverted.

  • @effortaward
    @effortaward ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you for the lesson.

  • @martianvideo
    @martianvideo ปีที่แล้ว +3

    RIP Spad! 😪

  • @wb6anp
    @wb6anp ปีที่แล้ว

    according to another youtube doing the analysis the single engine service ceiling is only 7400 feet, Ill have to look that up now. Aopa website says SE Service Ceiling is only 7400 ft.

    • @AirSafetyInstitute
      @AirSafetyInstitute  ปีที่แล้ว +6

      You're referring to non-turbocharged 310 performance numbers. The aircraft in this accident was turbocharged.

    • @bills6093
      @bills6093 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Naturally aspirated is 7400 feet, turbocharged is 17200 feet.

    • @bills6093
      @bills6093 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Hedgeflexlfz This plane should have had little trouble climbing and staying in the air on one engine, even given the density altitude..

    • @AirSafetyInstitute
      @AirSafetyInstitute  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@Hedgeflexlfz The Aviation Safety Network website marks the aircraft as a "Cessna T310R II". T standing for Turbo. aviation-safety.net/wikibase/318173

  • @justinsalaskanadventures
    @justinsalaskanadventures ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you for the video

  • @igclapp
    @igclapp 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I was doing engine failures after gear-up in the DA42 full-cockpit sim this summer. The first two went ok. Then on the third when my instructor failed the critical engine at about 400 feet something went wrong. I somehow got distracted and failed to keep an eye on the airspeed indicator. I think I got fixated on looking outside at the ground rising up and was also unconsciously pulling back on the stick. In my mind I thought my airspeed was still good, so I was confused as to why the plane was going out of control even though I had full right rudder and an increasing (and obviously counter-productive) amount of right aileron. I didn't realise it, but not only had I slowed below blue line but red line as well! Afterwards, it occurred to me that maybe this was the explanation of how all these experienced pilots have suffered Vmc rollovers on takeoff! The key lesson here is LOOK AT YOUR AIRSPEED EVERY TWO TO THREE SECONDS WHEN YOU ARE ENGINE OUT CLOSE TO THE GROUND! Keep it at blue line!!!

  • @xlmav777
    @xlmav777 ปีที่แล้ว

    2:15 Would have been interesting to see what the C310 SE Rate of climb chart show with current conditions.

  • @toldt
    @toldt ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Please stop the weatherman presentations and go back to the old format/graphics.

  • @diaryofacrankykid7270
    @diaryofacrankykid7270 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Freaky to think that just 3 months after posting this video, the man, the legend himself would die in near identical circumstances. Rip. Richard McSpadden.
    "I’d like the memory of me to be a happy one.
    I’d like to leave an afterglow of smiles when life is done."

  • @flybouy11
    @flybouy11 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Fly the airplane first, talking is not first

  • @jemez_mtn
    @jemez_mtn ปีที่แล้ว +2

    For those saying he should have turned right into the good engine, he would have been turning into higher terrain. His ADS-B data shows he could not climb more than about 100' agl, so this would have been a bad option as well. With no climb performance, either due to density altitude or not having the time/wherewithal to secure the dead engine, landing straight ahead was the only 'good' option he had.

    • @scottw5315
      @scottw5315 ปีที่แล้ว

      Do we know what engine failed?

    • @jemez_mtn
      @jemez_mtn ปีที่แล้ว

      @@scottw5315 I haven't seen anything confirmed, but all signs seem to point to the left. Regardless, turning right was not a good option in any case.

  • @c.j.1089
    @c.j.1089 ปีที่แล้ว

    "well at least I'm alive" is never a disappointing statement when looking at a destroyed plane.

  • @francinecorry633
    @francinecorry633 ปีที่แล้ว

    Apparently ATC gave clearance for a left hand turn back to runway.I`m not a pilot but are you not supposed to turn into the direction of the dead engine?The left engine being the failure.

  • @azguitar
    @azguitar ปีที่แล้ว

    Your nods of faith towards the NTSB is perplexing. Are you not aware of Dan Gryder's work?

  • @pcs9518
    @pcs9518 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I understand the fear of crashing but I’ve never understood the need to do complex maneuvers to return to the airport before recovering the aircraft and gaining altitude before maneuvering back to the airport.

  • @dfeuer
    @dfeuer ปีที่แล้ว

    It sounds to me like the pilot may have gotten overloaded, and leaned on ATC's turn suggestion instead of making his own judgement. Is there room to improve how ATC handles engine failures? Could they be trained to always ask which engine, and to suggest the most likely safe turn? Or at the very least, not to suggest a turn direction at all in those cases?

  • @alk672
    @alk672 ปีที่แล้ว

    Airspeed on ADS-B track appears to be in excess of 100 knots on the upwind leg. Could it really be too slow for a single engine operation?

    • @jeffhiner
      @jeffhiner ปีที่แล้ว +2

      ADS-B tracks show ground speed, not airspeed. In calm air, at a 9000 ft density altitude, 100 knots over the ground is an airspeed of about 87 knots.

  • @DumbledoreMcCracken
    @DumbledoreMcCracken ปีที่แล้ว

    I have a glider rating. Why pull the power back if descending on one engine? Any additional energy extends the potential glide performance, increasing options? I never understand why powered planes don't have the control enhancing function of spoilers / speed brakes, and cost would seem relatively inconsequential when actually needed.

    • @igclapp
      @igclapp 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      In a twin engine plane you can only use so much power on the non-failed engine before you lose directional control below minimum control airspeed. But in a descent, yes, you could possibly use some power from the good engine to extend the glide.

  • @jeffhiner
    @jeffhiner ปีที่แล้ว

    The 100 knot ground track with the given DA would be about 87 knots indicated, which is not much margin above Vmc-- the figure is given for a constant heading, with *5 degrees bank into the operating engine* , not a banked turn away from it. And 87 knots is quite shy of best climb even going straight. It's unclear whether the data is showing baro normalized to 29.92, which might explain why it reads lower than field elevation, maybe 350-400 feet higher given field conditions. Still, that's only a few hundred feet to play with at best, and well on the wrong side of Vyse means behind the power curve. Can't trade altitude for airspeed to get up to best climb, and a turn robs critical energy exactly when it's needed most. From there it doesn't take much to induce an accelerated stall/spin at 85 knots during the turn to final just as the pilot runs out of right rudder.

  • @donalddepew9605
    @donalddepew9605 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Any twin engine airplane that has a gross weight of under 6000 pounds isn’t required to have a positive rate of climb when an engine fails. So basically the operating engine will take you to the scene of the accident. This pilot should have done some weight and balance as well as determine his single engine climb performance. Had he done this, this adds to his decision making. In case of an engine failure. Great Video!!