1972 Chevrolet Chevelle vs 1970 AMC AMX - PURE STOCK DRAG RACE - no commentary
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- 1972 Chevy Chevelle Super Sport 454 drag racing 1970 AMC AMX 390. Pure Stock Muscle Car Drag Race. FAST Factory Appearing Stock Tire Factory Stock.
First car is a 1972 Chevrolet Chevelle SS 454. Other a 1970 AMC AMX. The Chevy Chevelle SS454 features a 454 cubic inch V8. The AMC AMX has a 390 cubic inch V8. The Chevelle Super Sport 454 was rated 270 net horsepower (around 345-350 gross hp). The AMC AMX 390 was rated 325 horsepower (gross). Both the Chevelle SS and AMC AMX have a 4-speed manual transmission. The Chevy Chevelle SS454 has a set of 3.73 rear gears. The AMX as a set of 3.91 rear gears. The Super Sport Chevelle weighs 3788 pounds with driver included. The AMX with driver weighs 3441 pounds. Original testing of the Chevelle SS 454 shows a 0-60 of 8 seconds and the quarter mile in 15.1 sec @ 93 mph. The AMX ran 0-60 in 6.5 seconds and the quarter mile in 14.68 sec @ 92 mph. There were 5333 LS5 454 Chevelles/El Caminos produced in 1972. 4116 total AMC AMX were produced in 1970.
Remember, both cars participate in the Pure Stock Muscle Car Drag Race series, so please check out their website: www.psmcdr.com
Also make sure you find them out on Facebook.
The rules for PSMCDR are listed below:
For 1955 to 1979 musclecars built in United States and Canadian assembly plants with a minimum warranty of 12 months and 12,000 miles.
Any car running faster than 11.50 will be disqualified and will not have a qualifying time recorded.
Any convertible running faster than 13.50 will be disqualified and will not have a qualifying time recorded.
Casting numbers must be correct for the year and horsepower claimed including intake manifold, heads, and exhaust manifolds. Blocks do not have to be "numbers matching," but they must be the correct displacement. Overbores up to .070" are allowed. Stock cranks only.
All Engines - 1.5 extra points allowed over advertised.
The camshaft must be correct for the year, model, and horsepower claimed for the type of lifter (hydraulic or solid). Roller cams NOT allowed.
The valve train must be factory stock for the year, make, and horsepower claimed.
The ignition system must be stock, including the distributor, cap, coil, and wires. Points may be replaced with any electronic conversion that fits under the stock distributor cap.
The carburetor must be correct for the year, make, and horsepower claimed. Jetting and metering changes are permitted. THE CHOKE ASSEMBLY MUST BE IN PLACE AND FUNCTIONAL!
Cast-iron exhaust manifolds are mandatory and must be correct for the year, model, and horsepower claimed. Internal modifications to the exhaust manifolds are NOT allowed. Under no circumstances will headers be allowed, including those cars that came with headers delivered in the trunk. Pipes must be routed as they were originally for the year, make, model, and engine combination. Mufflers must be stock looking in design, that is, oval in shape. No glasspacks or straight pipes allowed unless installed as original equipment. Maximum muffler inlet and outlet size is 2.5 inches. X & H pipes allowed.
The radiator must be correct for the year, make, model, and horsepower claimed. No lightweight, aluminum radiators allowed.
The camshaft must be correct for the year, model, and horsepower claimed for the type of lifter (hydraulic or solid). Roller cams NOT allowed. Duration at .050" lobe lift must be within 1% of factory specs. Lift at the valve must be within 2% of factory specs. Maximum stall limited to 2200 rpm.
The transmission must be correct for year, make, model and engine of the car. 3-speed manuals may be upgraded to the correct 4-speed if originally available.
The rear axle must be of the same manufacturer as the car. Any gear ratio is allowed.
Reproduction tires or radial tires only.You are allowed to run tires one size over stock.
Factory wheels only.
Disclaimer: The Cars And Zebras TH-cam channel is a news channel bringing results/news of drag racing with added history of automobiles. All footage/pictures used were either captured by the Cars And Zebras channel, or used for critique purposes under Fair Use.
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I DECLARE THAT AMX TO BE OUTSTANDING
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I owned a 1970 AMX 390 Go Pack! What a machine! If only....I had it now. I bought it for $1,200.00 in 1972. I have had many cars since then (I am 68 now) but none have been near as fun as that one.
OH YEAH. Dig that AMC. I don't remember the last time I even saw one in person.
The AMX looks absolutely timeless
That AMX looks crazy nice. I can’t imagine the cost of that restoration.
Yeah, where do you find parts for one of those?
Yeah it was a nice lookin car
@@danmyers9372 buy 3
@@danmyers9372 Were almost at that point in time where we can make OEM or better parts for pretty much anything..I worked for an AMC/Dodge, etc dealer as a tech, after AMC was no longer I ordered a ton of parts for my own AMX race/street.I would sometimes have to order doubles to get parts that were worth putting on the car. I'm guessing some of the remaining stock Chrysler acquired were defects, damage, returns, etc I should of have bought it all.
This just ain't the same without the voice over!! Loved it!! Funny and made it so good and different from other channels. Now it's no damn different than 100 other channels doing the same thing!! BRING HIM BACK!!!
I'll take the AMX all day any day!
You will lose all day every day
@@michaelraddish7898 Depends...there are some wicked fast 390 and 401 Javs and AMx out there. Factory heads even
Been an AMC fan since 1968, as I bought new a 1968 AMX. 343 go pac with auto and 3.15 rear gears. The 343 had so much locked up potential. In 1971 changed cam to the factory stock type 2 or what was then called "the white stripe" cam. More lift and greater duration over the 343 cam. Edlebrock R4B intake with larger Carter 9625 carb. Cyclone exhaust headers through 2 1/2 in. full exhaust. Big difference was rear gear change, going from 3.15 to 3.73 gears. In the day, raced a 1970 AMX with go pac, 390 , 4-speed and 3.54 rear gears. Could not beat the AMX, but stayed next to him all the way till we quit. The 343 was making almost the same horsepower. My problem, as was with the 1969 SC Rambler as well, was not getting enough traction with the 14 in. tires. That little 343 engine sure made a believer out of me.
Bought a 401 sst jav late 80s for 400...shocked how much torque that thing had, put my cammedup 327 to shame.
The beautifully styled 69-70 AMX always remained high on my dream car list. The 72 Chevelle has a nice interior and body, but by 72 not the thumper she once was in previous years.
Don't forget the 1968 model as well. Three years of two seaters.
Ohhhh...that '70 AMX made my eyes water.
My brother had a 1970 AMX same color,first car I drove over 120 mph an absolute thrill to drive! Of course I got caught and got my ass stomped , best stock race car I ever drove!
Funny how compact AMC was able to make the 390!
it was their standard small block bored and stroked from the factory.
The engine's outer dimensions are small. It's a small big block . The 390 - 401 are good to around 650 + hp with rods, pistons, valve train upgrades,4 bolt main kit, anything higher that is expected to live requires a lot of specialized components. The engine is capable of 1000 +hp with a turbo, but it wouldn't last very long.
@@NeuKrofta Deck height was raised and the block reinforced at the pan rails with a forged bottom end. Yes from 290 to 390 they all look the same, but they had internal differences. Wonderful engines that deservered more credit.
Goodday C & Z,
Thank you for looking after us AMC fans.
Great racing on both occasions.
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I love underdogs, and this AMX did not disappoint!
Those AMC's were way underrated
Oh man both ultra cool but if I had my choice I'd have to go with AMX even though it got outrun. Just so few of them still around. As I stated before I like the "Edgy" look of them too. Thanks for the vid!
That AMX is cool! Back in the '90s I had chance at a bittersweet orange '69 390 four- speed AMX. I missed out. Missed out on a '68 383 Formula S Barracuda as well. They would have been great bookend's for my '71 Challenger...*sigh*
I actually thought the AMX would take down that Chevelle, with the lower compression, smog motor 454.....much respect to the AMX for shutting down that GTO...impressive. Two really great races! Thanks for posting.
I actually did too. It had a 390 rear end, weighed less also.
But... That Chevelle motor wasn't stock. It didn't sound that way from the factory in 72.
@@AzTurboMini that’s what I thought too. Not a factory cam
I was thinking same same thing .. truly camed
Looks to me like the Chevelle jumped him off the line or would have been closer race.
@@AzTurboMini a stock LS6 didn't sound like that supposedly stock LS5 did. Non stock cam and way higher compression ratio. It ran near 2 seconds faster than the 72 published time. Published times are rarely if ever matchable, but are never beatable by 2 seconds, assuming both drivers could drive a manual trans.
No way that 454 was stock. Sounded cammed. Both cars very nice but AMC all day baby!
I thought the same thing when he started it!
Nice but there’s no way that is a 1972 stock 454 in that chevelle and it sounds awesome.
news-flash genius....neither car is stock. But that's fine because if you read the description box you'd see they allow mods in the Pure Stock class.
Yep, nice lope though!
Yes, but that 454 was cammed up to where it would barely idle.
That AMX reminds me of our delicious ketchup! Try some on your golden French fries and get hooked like it's crack!
I had a ‘69 SS Chevelle 396…man what a sweet ride!!! With either of these rides who would be disappointed!!! 👍✅
Wish those 2 were put together for a best of 3.
My 70 AMX was a blast. It was stock except for tires, clutch, and brake pads. 360 with Go Package, 4-speed, 3.73 posi. Very competitive with Z28s, Boss 302s, and 340 Six pack Cudas. We street raced back then like the idiots we were. btw both the AMX and the Chevelle were cammed.
RUles allow tweaks on the cam profiles
65 GTO…my first car in high school 11th grade 1974. Senior year…a 70 GTO 400cid, 4spd, Holley 800 double pumper. Later on in life I had a 68 and another 70. God, I love Goats!! :)
Those cars look sharp 🔪
😳
Not as sharp as your Knife.
1972 Chevelle,the best car in the world in my eyes!!...I'm talking about to me,and not the fastest in the world but definately the nicest and most valuable car to me!!..And it's an SS454,best one that year could bring to the line!!..
All 3 cars are amazing looking. But the AMX is always my favorite.
Why don’t you put the actual specs the Chevelle is running? Clearly not 8:5:1 compression 270 hp or the AMX would’ve walked all over it.
Exactly!
270 net horsepower is approximately 330 to 350 gross horsepower, 10 more horsepower with the removal of the smog pump.
Had the '72 SS with 402 big block and Hurst 4 speed. Loved that car, it was really nice. Stock paint and interior, it had hood pins as well. Sold it to a friend to help purchase my first home.... still regret that to this day .
Great races! Thumbs up!
Chevelle obviously no longer has 8.5 to 1 compression!!
GM mandated no more premium fuel cars shortly before 72
@@avastyeescurvydogs true but this Chevelle may have been modified..
The race with the GTO, the AMX makes a move at mid track, usually where a Pontiac does it's best. Give the AMX it's due. Bet the 4.10s slow that Goat.
That AMX is SWEET!!!
My dream chevelle
what a great race
I'm A lifetime chevelle fanboi but dang that's a nice amx
Love the specs. So cool to see what the classics were originally made of. Love the video. Awesome run by both cars.
Gorgeous AMX!
I don’t remember the 72 idle so rough. Guessing it’s not stock cammed
Yep, seen that coming 💪
I LOVE the AMX 390!!
Missing the commentary, hope all is well.
My 1967 American with a transplanted drivetrain from a totaled 1968 Javelin fooled many mainstream muscle cars back in the very early 1970's. We used to call it the glow factor. Because you felt so warm inside when you smacked a Camaro or Mustang because you knew they were pissed getting beat by a Rambler. 343 with a little headwork. Edelbrock intake with a 650 dual line double pumper. Crane cam, Schiefer clutch, 3.54 gears, Lakewood slapper traction bars because of the horrible wheel hop without them. Had to have the driveshaft shortened because the Javelin had a 109- inch wheelbase whereas the American had a 106 -inch wheelbase. Local machine shop connected to a speedshop did the headwork and the driveshaft for me.
The Chevelle had a much faster and cleaner launch in the first race, but the AMX still almost made up the difference. You really need multiple races like this in order to determine which car is definitely faster
Had the AMX launched better, the outcome very well may have been different.
Crazy how the AmX ran 13.7s? 100ish then next day a 13.5 at 100
THat is still a respectable st car that can be driven daily
I started out with a 67 Nova then a 64 Cuda and coming home from Nam bought a 71 Challenger 440 trip power 4 speed
Close race considering the AMX is manual & you just know the Chevelle autobox will be 'optimised' to within an inch of what's allowed for stall speeds/lockup/valving for Factory Stock. That's not a dig at the Chevelle btw, rules are there to be pushed to the limit.
No way was the 72 stock with an thumpy exhaust note!
That’s where Starsky & hutch stole the paint scheme for their turdy Torino....
Miss your awesome commentary. Videos still great.
The Chevelle driver nailed it out the gate.
and the AMX still kept up
They're both really nice
I always thought the last great year for the Chevelle was 1970. The last year for the double headlights. The switch to the big single beam light just ruined the look of the car for me.
The AMX was always sweet. I was a big Trans-Am fan back then and those Javelin/AMX's that Penski ran were the cats meow.
Discovered the 72 SS Chevelle when I was about 13 and has been my favorite muscle car ever since. Discovered the AMX/Javelin line at about the same time. Always like the AMC design with exception to the Hornet body AMX Spirit.. Never owned AMC. Had a 72 Chevelle and a 73 Malibu Laguna.
AMC was a great company, way ahead of the times.
These cars had mods they are not stock from factory. I would like to know the details on each car.
Detroit Muscle! Chevelle SS love them! Had a 69 AMX 401 4speed. Tore up Camaros in Detroit
Dig both those cars, was secretly hoping for the under dog but tough to overcome that 454 low end
Odd - in the bonus footage of the AMX racing a GTO, the AMX had a quicker time than against the Chevelle, but a lower trap speed. I would think that the quicker time would also give a faster speed at the end. As close as the race was, I doubt that the AMX eased up on the throttle at the end.
To think that AMC used the same exact engine but built with different specs depending on the model and application of the vehicles they produced. They truly built an engine that can do it all.
The engine was originally designed by Packard and that was the reason for its strength. I bought my 71 SC360 from a salesman who's father worked for Packard Motors.
Thought that was the coolest thing!! You could have 400 cubes but looked like a 290? And not heavy
Awesome, thx
That Chevelle belongs to a man named Clark if I am not mistaken. Super nice guy, helped me with my car through DMs a few times. He's owned it since the early 80s. I am surprised it was only 3788lbs... my car is optioned similar, but I have manual windows and locks and A/C. I am about 185lbs at "race weight." If my car comes in at anything under 4000 lbs with fuel and driver - I'll be very happy.
That's a nice Chevelle but that AMX😍
Very Good!..
I’m digging both cars. But if I to choose one and drive away with it, it would be the Chevelle.
I've always thought an AMX is just cool would be awesome to own one.
Super unique esp the 70. That dash they have is just awesome.
Had my chance late 80s to buy a 70 390 4spd AC AMX for 3500...pale yelllow. All original, decent driver
I came back 2 days later on Monday, guy sold it Sunday for 5k. I was crushed...never seen one since
Both are beautiful cars, I have a 73 Javelin now.
Keep it!! You never see those anymore. Late 80s I was 18? BOught a 71 SST white bucket interior baby chit orange...loved that car
pure burnout machine. Nobody else at cruise night had one wish I hadnt sold it but had to ge tmy Camaro back on the road
Min wage back then was crap
In 72 they held back the horsepower The AMX is my favorite I still love the.chevelle
It’s crazy how ridiculous these car prices have gone up. It would be amazing if we could buy the highest performance model of a new muscle car for only $25,000 today.
Dont see why they, or a good truck should run more than that. 50k plus is insane. Nfw could the avg working joe afford one
02 I bought a new loaded LS SIlverado, listed for 21, 23k? 502 dollar pmt. Swore Id never finance another car again
😎 R.I.P. AMC YOU
ARE MISSED 🏁
At my brother in laws house for the forth yesterday. He has a 70 AMX that same color and hood scoop. It is a 360 four speed he has had since 1978. It has been stored the whole time. He plans on restoring it one of these days. Stupid pot head!
Funny this appeared in my notifications. They really are listening.
FOR 1970 AMC HIT THE NAIL ON THE HEAD AND MADE IT DISAPPEAR !!!! I WAS ONLY 7 , ITS AMAZING I CAN REMEMBER THOSE DAYS INCLUDING THE GIRLS WITH THE DEPIDY DEW , HOT PANTS OMG I WAS IN HEAVEN AT THE PARTIES WITH SPIRIT IN THE SKY , JOY TO THE WORLD , SMILE A LITTLE SMILE FOR ME ROSEMARIE , HEY THERE LONELY GIRL , WHATS GOIN ‘ ON , SHOW AND TELL .....
Question have the chevelle
the LS5 454 ? With the 365 hp ?
I kinda wanted to pull for the AMC but I'm a Chevy man,lol!
the 390 also fits into a hornet, gremlin, etc....
Love me some AMX
Im surprised that it didn't walk away from the GTO, being considerably lighter and one more cu. Inch in displacement.
I agree the AMX was a killer sleeper. I had a 1970 Hornet, but, not the amx. I really liked it, my wife didn’t, so we went shopping, she picked “The VEGA”. What a loss, just like a Buick we bought in 1979. We had a 1974 AMC Matador in 1974, hot rod, it screamed, after the Vega soured. I wanted the AMC American with the 390, a real hot rod. But not family car, insurance went hi!
390 FP of torque at 3,200 RPM would make a great truck engine.
It cracks me up when people think stock cars were fast. You could make them fast, especially with modern technology, but they were not fast...
They were mostly all 14 sec cars
Put a better tire tune up headers like the mfrs knew they would things changed.
89 Id get aked why my 69 SS 350 Camaro was so tame....well it was bone stock
Miss the days of picking up a clean driver for 3-4k for a daily though.
It’s hard to beat 454 Cubic Inches especially when it’s been properly “Built”. Both cars are Awesome in their own right. Ahhhh… to go back and relive the ‘70s and’80s
AMen!! Love both cars....Chevelle is so classy in that color...but having had a 401 Jav Id take either one
I don't understand why the javelin and the AMX weren't popular they are gorgeous cars if I compare them to the Mustang and the Camaro my opinions they are better-looking when they're not moving they look like they're moving they are good-looking cars with an aggressive look if I had a choice which one I like better it would definitely be the AMX Chevelles Mustangs Camaros Etc are all common cars Javelin and AMX aren't
Good call.
it was just a matter of the hole shot between those two.
I miss my first car - 1972 Chevelle Malibu
No way that Chevelle was stock. Just based on the HP and weight of the Chevelle from that year compared to the AMX the AMX would have dusted it
Rules allow for certain internal mods...not many but-
What's sad about the 1972 Chevelle is there's other aspects of it that I like better than the 1970. For one thing, the rounded tail lights and the wheels are more aesthetically pleasing. Just imagine if the 1970 model had those things going for it WITH the added horsepower. So they lost 100 horses but gained looks
LOve the grill of the 71-2 so much better. Had a couple 70s
@@gordocarbo That, too
Had that 70 Chevelle punched out 396, 4 speed rock and buddy there wasent much could hang..all day every day
over 6 weeks and people are still complaining about commentary.
I liked the commentary!
I like to go around corners also...take theAMX
Back in 1972, I was looking at an AMX at a local AMC dealership; my mistake was having the old man along. We took it out for a test drive and got out of the real busy section of the road. Well, old dad, he wanted to see how it did for passing cars. Of course, I didn't want to, as I knew what that puppy had. He insisted, and of course I had to obey (he was going to help me with a down payment). WELL! I did, and he made me turn around and bring it back to the dealer. No sale; he was sure I would get a ticket for speeding or (the horror) street racing. I probably would have. Oh well.
Mid 80s I found a perfect dark green 68 Firebird 326 for $800!! Uncle saw it tried to sell my dad on it 2 bbl not a race car etc he forbid me to own a car til I moved out So I did...lol
Slow start for the AMX against the Chevelle. That was my favorite year for the AMX/Javelin. What was that race car model with the 401? I can't remember.
AMX - HURST
I believe the 401 was just basically a Little bigger 390, didn't it come in the early 70,s Javelin. To replace the 390, but with Lower Compression.
401 Started in 1971. Bored 390. Interestingly the 1970 390 is a bit of a Unicorn....it's the taller deck block used from 1970 until around 1991 (Grand Wagoneer -360)....but it was the only year for the 390 in that block casting. Previous 390s were shorter deck blocks and did not use the dog leg heads. 1971 401 - 330HP Gross, except for Rebel Machine which was 340HP. The "Race" AMX was the 1969 Hurst SS AMX. There were 52 made by Kar Kraft in Michigan. All 390's...although some of them had 1970 Grilles added. Most (if not all) had the 390 Cross Ram, Dual Quad intake. four-oh-one....say it with me! Can I get a witness?!
@@davesnothereman7250 ohhh aaaaa-men brotha!
Early '71 401 with high compression - yep 330 hp. AMX's fitted with that motor and tall gearing were good for close to 150 mph.
If I was that Chevelle guy I would not be cluking to much because that AMX was much more impressive. I was pulling for that AMX the whole way down.
First of that chevelle is 73 or 74 which was maybe 270 hp with the 454. the 70 to 72 454 chevelle made 450 hp. Amx was from 68 to 70 the 390 made around 312 hp now the 401 AMC was only rated 315 hp BUT in actually it some were in the naderhood of 435 hp
73 Chevelles had a body change. 71-2 look like the one in the vid.
Only the LS6 was 450 the LS5 were much less.
270 horse 454, my ass !
My '66 AMC 327 has 270 brake HP.
that chevy big block definitely had way more than 270 for sure
that chevelle sure didnt idle like it was stock
That's sad going from 450 hp down to 270!
Put my money on the AMX. Had a 1968 390
Action starts around 6:38
I had a 72 Javelin/AMX 401C.I.D.
Ran with the best, lost to most, but attracted a lot of attention and BABES!!!🤣🤣🤣
I’m wondering if the rules allow for “line locks” for the 4 speed cars? It would certainly help drivers with burn outs and coming out of the gate.
nope
He used to have a list of the rules ,or a link (I can't remember)
in his description
You don't need a line lock with a stick, just be quick with your left foot.
@@livewire2759 Same with rev limiters, 2 steps etc. Just use your ears and brain