When you mentioned in the earlier episode that you'd taken it out because it didn't sound good, I had no idea how grating it was. Very much agree that it's fine with one engine, but not with both. Thanks very much for the bonus content. It was great to see (hear?) how troublesome it was.
Thanks for this. My curiosity was really getting me. I was about to search around for the sound of a chuff pot. Now, I don't need (or want) to! Steaming has always intrigued me. Most stationary engines I heard were very quiet. Just a bit of creaking as they warmed up... Shows how few I've seen!!!
Did you try a small piece of foam in the top of the chart pop this will eliminate the noise but still allow air to travel through just an idea not sure if this will work or not maybe you can try
Didn't think it would sound like that, sounds like listening to distorted recording of a steam engine through an old radio. Does it sound more nuanced in person?
That is pretty much exactly like it sounds - it's very loud too, - louder than the steam whistle when both of the engines are running ...... It's a really nice well made device but I prefer it without the exhaust amplifier fitted - that's why I removed the mechanism - I need my ears as a Sound Recording Engineer in the Studio. . . probably great for a small "Wilesco" or "Mamod" steam engine though. Generally speaking stem engines only "Chuff" when they are under load like when a Steam Locomotive sets off . . . but when a Locomotive is going faster or downhill the exhaust beats are much quieter.
R.I.P my ears :( Had my headphones up too loud. Good thing my car has killed my hearing already!! Thanks so much for the bonus feature :) I was dying to hear what it sounded like, and almost died when I did.
By personal preference I like engines to be as quiet as possible. Specially the exhaust noise of an engine, that way I can hear if there's excess mechanical noise from the engine itself.
I've never seen a chuff pot before, but you did briefly show the interior mechanism in one of your videos and as I remember it had a kind of metal loudspeaker plate. I'd have thought it should be possible to simply put a bit of blu-tak or similar on the plate to dampen vibration a bit - with luck this would also tend to remove more high frequency than low, and improve the timbre. Just a guess.
No, that plate is nothing to do with the mechanism. The plate has a couple of holes drilled in it to drain the condensate into the lower tank. The mechanism is and entirely separate unit which fits into the chimney itself.
I think those are originaly ment for smaller machines, like The Jensen or Wilesco models, perhaps. I guess the steamflow are more smooth and even on those bigger machines and does not create that punch noise distorsion, that's why it does not work, maybe the person who designed them did use the same design as for the smaller ones and it possibly worked on the smaller types of the Stuart machines, but was newer tested on those larger types before. I don't know, but possibly the kettle design does not work at all on them since there is nothing at all to amplify except this hissing sound. Just my 5 cents...
@@keithappleton I am about to build my self a cuff pot for the Märklin plant from copperpipe, and i taught about using the same design, that's why i wrote here... I will give it a try anyway i think.
@@keithappleton To clearify, i did not wrote this in order to talk bad about You, ozsteamdemon or the guy who bought it, it was just that i am trying to understand what i am actualy doing when i tamper with my own machines in order to learn them properly before i do any irreversible changes on them or buying expensive things.
It is a good thing I am deaf in one ear and don't hear too well out the other, what a racket. Thank you for stopping it. I don't think that on a small engine it would sound good. I do like the looks of it though as a condenser, but it would have to be silent. Had to go back and watch the last part of #8 again to get the chuff sound out of my head.
You could then rightfully classify this video with those that feature the sounds of actual working tools - complete with lathe tool chatter, and those of you plucking feathers from a live chicken - for the viewers with such palattes..
When you mentioned in the earlier episode that you'd taken it out because it didn't sound good, I had no idea how grating it was. Very much agree that it's fine with one engine, but not with both. Thanks very much for the bonus content. It was great to see (hear?) how troublesome it was.
It is apparent that you are a musician with a sense of rhythm!
Hello this is one of your best models, Ii think. Cheers for sharing. Bye bye Toni
Good call on removing the chuff pot. Makes it sound like a can full of pebbles
sounds spot on with one engine running
Thanks for sharing
Thanks for this. My curiosity was really getting me. I was about to search around for the sound of a chuff pot. Now, I don't need (or want) to! Steaming has always intrigued me. Most stationary engines I heard were very quiet. Just a bit of creaking as they warmed up... Shows how few I've seen!!!
Did you try a small piece of foam in the top of the chart pop this will eliminate the noise but still allow air to travel through just an idea not sure if this will work or not maybe you can try
I'm well chuffed with this vid. Sorry Keith, I couldn't resist. I'll get me coat......
Didn't think it would sound like that, sounds like listening to distorted recording of a steam engine through an old radio. Does it sound more nuanced in person?
That is pretty much exactly like it sounds - it's very loud too, - louder than the steam whistle when both of the engines are running ...... It's a really nice well made device but I prefer it without the exhaust amplifier fitted - that's why I removed the mechanism - I need my ears as a Sound Recording Engineer in the Studio. . . probably great for a small "Wilesco" or "Mamod" steam engine though. Generally speaking stem engines only "Chuff" when they are under load like when a Steam Locomotive sets off . . . but when a Locomotive is going faster or downhill the exhaust beats are much quieter.
R.I.P my ears :( Had my headphones up too loud. Good thing my car has killed my hearing already!! Thanks so much for the bonus feature :) I was dying to hear what it sounded like, and almost died when I did.
OK. Thanks for that. I trusted your judgement (and I was one of the people asking), but this IS horrible. Thanks for showing, Keith!
By personal preference I like engines to be as quiet as possible. Specially the exhaust noise of an engine, that way I can hear if there's excess mechanical noise from the engine itself.
I've never seen a chuff pot before, but you did briefly show the interior mechanism in one of your videos and as I remember it had a kind of metal loudspeaker plate. I'd have thought it should be possible to simply put a bit of blu-tak or similar on the plate to dampen vibration a bit - with luck this would also tend to remove more high frequency than low, and improve the timbre. Just a guess.
No, that plate is nothing to do with the mechanism. The plate has a couple of holes drilled in it to drain the condensate into the lower tank. The mechanism is and entirely separate unit which fits into the chimney itself.
more like:what a chuffing racket
I can see why you disconnected that noisy bloody thing! Still as you said it looks good.
Reminds me of the sound of a passing Garratt locomotive getting all out of step with itself...
I think those are originaly ment for smaller machines, like The Jensen or Wilesco models, perhaps. I guess the steamflow are more smooth and even on those bigger machines and does not create that punch noise distorsion, that's why it does not work, maybe the person who designed them did use the same design as for the smaller ones and it possibly worked on the smaller types of the Stuart machines, but was newer tested on those larger types before. I don't know, but possibly the kettle design does not work at all on them since there is nothing at all to amplify except this hissing sound. Just my 5 cents...
Yes you are right, The customer bought it and asked me to fit it to his steam plant . . . . it is an awful thing.
@@keithappleton I am about to build my self a cuff pot for the Märklin plant from copperpipe, and i taught about using the same design, that's why i wrote here...
I will give it a try anyway i think.
@@keithappleton I think Your own oiltrap design would be worth trying for my Märklin plant.
@@keithappleton
To clearify, i did not wrote this in order to talk bad about You, ozsteamdemon or the guy who bought it, it was just that i am trying to understand what i am actualy doing when i tamper with my own machines in order to learn them properly before i do any irreversible changes on them or buying expensive things.
The Ozsteamdemon "Chuff Pot" would be fine as you say for little steam engines like Wilesco etc, but it does not sound too good on larger engines.
Cacophony at its finest..
Hence the phrase: "Chuffing hell."
Sounds like a very very cheap electric train set sound system
It dose sound fake
Excuse me! Have you seen my cacophony? I know I left it here somewhere.
Out of step beats from double heading steam locomotives
It is a good thing I am deaf in one ear and don't hear too well out the other, what a racket. Thank you for stopping it. I don't think that on a small engine it would sound good. I do like the looks of it though as a condenser, but it would have to be silent. Had to go back and watch the last part of #8 again to get the chuff sound out of my head.
You could then rightfully classify this video with those that feature the sounds of actual working tools - complete with lathe tool chatter, and those of you plucking feathers from a live chicken - for the viewers with such palattes..
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Perhaps a baffle and only hook up one engine to the chuff pot?
Oh come on Keith! That's supposed to be music to our ears, eh? It is like static on the old transistor radios and who wants to listen to that? NOT ME!
That thing sure took away from the beauty of those two engines Glad you eliminated it.
A bit loud what?
Much better without the chuff pot
Sounds like one of those cheap and nasty, oh alright, expensive and nasty sound effects devices you can get for toy train sets.
Good decision! I turned the sound way down thinking, I know he's a good customer but he's not going to like this and his wife will like it less.
Craig L. Young my son has decided he loves the whistle but not happy with ‘that strange noise’!!
Me neither - it sounds like a 78RPM scratched record - crossed with a visit to a fish & chip shop }:-)))