I was 100% behind Winters! I worked for a major in SAC in the late 1950s and he was a man everyone respected but he believed in the same style of command and everyone would have followed him with respect and discipline. I too learnt to respect this man . Ruling by fetok
It was Winters, not Sobel, who elevated the reprimand. Winters could have accepted the reprimand, but demanded a court martial instead. This wasn't the first time Winters was reprimanded for being late. He was told to attend a meeting called by the Regimental XO eight miles from the company barracks. His ride didn't show up, so he was late. From Winters book: "When asked why I was late, I explained, but the executive officer inquired why I hadn’t run instead of waiting for the ride." Being on time and having some way of letting people know where you are and how to get hold of you is pretty important. Especially when lives depend on it.
Thank you . . . while depicting Army officers in the program . . . I can attest 100% that the Navy was not devoid of similar Winter's type officers and Sobel type officers.
As portrayed, and if true, an infantry officer who cannot perform adequate land navigation will get himself, if not others, killed. I've always viewed it as a basic function, even for those involved in WWII with poor maps and compasses without declination adjustment. I mean, you don't put someone out there that can't hit the broadside of the barn with a rifle - and you wouldn't do it with an officer that can't read a map adequately.
It is amazing how some people are born with a compass in their head, and some can't find east with the sun coming up. I've seen a fellow Ranger lead the rest of us up a mountain, and then a kilometer later try to lead us down the same side of the mountain. As to marksmanship... if he can fire in the correct general direction we will take him. You seldom get good targets in the chaos; you fire at sound, gun-flash, movement, or "that way".
Well, there's always three sides to every story, Winter's truth, Sobel's truth and God's truth. Unfortunately, both men have passed and God isn't talking to any of us. I don't know how truthful Mr Winters was, but since Mr. Winter's passing some inaccuracies have begun to show up from his book. I know that some of you who admire Mr Winters are going to come after me and I get it, but let's start doing some real deep research on some of the mentioned characters before we give weight to the criticisms about Mr. Sobel.
What is your opinion?
I was 100% behind Winters! I worked for a major in SAC in the late 1950s and he was a man everyone respected but he believed in the same style of command and everyone would have followed him with respect and discipline. I too learnt to respect this man .
Ruling by fetok
Sobels character was easy to hate. Schwimmer did a great job portraying him.
It was Winters, not Sobel, who elevated the reprimand. Winters could have accepted the reprimand, but demanded a court martial instead. This wasn't the first time Winters was reprimanded for being late. He was told to attend a meeting called by the Regimental XO eight miles from the company barracks. His ride didn't show up, so he was late. From Winters book: "When asked why I was late, I explained, but the executive officer inquired why I hadn’t run instead of waiting for the ride."
Being on time and having some way of letting people know where you are and how to get hold of you is pretty important. Especially when lives depend on it.
Thank you . . . while depicting Army officers in the program . . . I can attest 100% that the Navy was not devoid of similar Winter's type officers and Sobel type officers.
As portrayed, and if true, an infantry officer who cannot perform adequate land navigation will get himself, if not others, killed. I've always viewed it as a basic function, even for those involved in WWII with poor maps and compasses without declination adjustment. I mean, you don't put someone out there that can't hit the broadside of the barn with a rifle - and you wouldn't do it with an officer that can't read a map adequately.
It is amazing how some people are born with a compass in their head, and some can't find east with the sun coming up. I've seen a fellow Ranger lead the rest of us up a mountain, and then a kilometer later try to lead us down the same side of the mountain. As to marksmanship... if he can fire in the correct general direction we will take him. You seldom get good targets in the chaos; you fire at sound, gun-flash, movement, or "that way".
Very good informative video. Thanks.
Any leader who places his/her self interest above those he/she leads isn’t worth following whether in the military or civilian life.
True, and yet the GOP will nominate him..😂
Sobel reminds me of my current boss. Can't do her job well and actively infringes on other people performing their jobs well.
Still he made lieutenant colonel later upping winters
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If Sobel spent the war as a O3 he must have screwed up by the numbers or was a total dud or both.
Well, there's always three sides to every story, Winter's truth, Sobel's truth and God's truth. Unfortunately, both men have passed and God isn't talking to any of us. I don't know how truthful Mr Winters was, but since Mr. Winter's passing some inaccuracies have begun to show up from his book. I know that some of you who admire Mr Winters are going to come after me and I get it, but let's start doing some real deep research on some of the mentioned characters before we give weight to the criticisms about Mr. Sobel.
I think the failure in the series is that Hanks and Spielberg insisted on a needless nude sex scene. A magisterial series mocks itself.