Two gay men confront the troops in their unit in 1952
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 18 ต.ค. 2024
- Sgt. Bob Claunch began going out secretly with his commanding officer Lt. Jack Reavley. The rumors spread to the point that the Lieutenant decides to take action.
Excerpt from the documentary Bob and Jack's 52-Year Adventure. www.bobandjack.org
copywright 2006 MAD STU Media, LLC
Now this guys really had some guts. I hope that they have had a very happy life together, and if either to both are still alive, I wish them the best.
Gay men of today owe these guys a very large debt of gratitude.
They're still waiting for the cheque
Repent and believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you will be saved.
Thank you guys for being so strong we've come so far I lived through the 70s with all the names and the innuendos and the hateful people in my class. We had to start somewhere and thank you so much again
It is on your brave shoulders that we all stand!!! May God always bless your union!💝
THANK YOU , NAZZ
I don't stand on it
@@chucktilley7155 That's cool... I should've said "most of us". It takes courage to stand for what is right and just! Those fellow soldiers were just as courageous too!!!💝
@@nazzme6181 That was a gr8 response you had to Chuck there. We need more ppl like you in the world.
@@fredrickthecatfish8661 Thanks for compliment. Like-minded or not, together we can make an interesting world, lol!!!👍💝
Brave Gentlemen I salute you both
Well done guys. Loads of respect to you both for having the courage to stand up for yourselves and for who you both truly are. Love is love and no one else's business. I hope you are both well and have had a peaceful loving and happy life together. Big hugs to you both.
Yes, love is love and your/our private, love lives are nobody's business but representation and being out and being recognized for being who we are as whole human beings including our sexuality are important. I agree with you and I'm sure that you would agree with me.
So very brave especially for that era... truly amazing
Now that's courageous! especially for 1952
Took a lot of courage back then - and in the army too.
This was especially brave, because even until recently ALL the armed forces frowned upon the fraternization of an officer and an enlisted person...even if both were heterosexual. Had these 2 been a man and woman they still would have been in a lot of trouble.
I am proud to be myself. Being gay is irrelevant.
GAY = Good As You.
EXCELLENT ACRONYM!!!💝
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Ironbulluk - 👏👏👏
What TREMENDOUS courage these two army officers showed! Only someone who has lived through the hatred and revulsion with which gay men were treated throughout society, especially in the army, can fully understand the strength of character, the bravery of these two pioneers for human rights and equality.
Indeed!! Go USA!! 🇺🇲🏳️🌈
Not now the army has alot off gay males was hard for them but they stood up and the troops back down there not many 100% st8 guys out there
Tell it like it is. Well done.
You veterans served this country honorably and deserve respect Earned equality. Our government should be ashamed at the way you were treated .
Thank you for your service and courage. Love knows no boundaries.
👍 He did something of a level of bravery that few humans will ever have the balls to do in their whole lives. Good for him (them). 👍
I was in the Air Force in the early 70’s and it wasn’t any better. Always had lie and hide and hope no one found out otherwise dishonorable discharge.
I did my 4 years in the Navy and got out in '72. I would have probably made a career out of it but the fear of being outed was just too much.
Hey, thanks for posting, Joseph Grant, Hope you made the best of things for yourself.
You, too, @dj33036 .dj63010.
Back then soldiers were blackmailed where nowadays its more acceptable and less prone to blackmail. Someone's sexuality is their business and got nothing to do with anyone else.
@@dj33036
I was in the Navy and a female co-worker who wanted to get pregnant so she could get a discharge asked me to help her out. I told her I couldn't, mostly because I was not raised to be an absentee father...and there were other considerations. She pressed and I finally told her that I was gay. Her response? "They told me you probably were." That was in the mid 80s.
When I was stationed overseas I worked in another place where there were 3 or 4 WAVES. One morning a WAVE co-worker came in with a large hickey on her neck that her uniform could not cover. Our boss's response? Tell Joanie if she is going to give you a love bite she needs to put it somewhere less conspicuous.
IOWs, he knew she and her WAVE girlfriend were lesbians, but he didn't care because she did her job.
I can't say it would have been the same for you, as I had a few close calls that nearly jeopardized my rank....maybe even my job, but for many guys if you did the job it didn't matter. They didn't hold it against you.
this is for those who think that gays are something of our times
Who would think that lmao King James of England was gay, the one who ordered the KJV version of the Bible to be wrote
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You strong bastards ! You’ve made my life free and I love you , thank you for being such a strong MAN
WELL DONE FELLOWS!!! AND THE BATTLE CONTINUES!!!
I applaud you both. Men like you paved the way for for men like me who came out right after Stonewall I was 19. Thank you also for being Veterans.
Geez, and I thought it was tough to be gay in the 80's!
True heroes. Thanks for your sacrifices.
Heroes for what exactly?
@@javiervega1065 standing up to HATE from people like you!
The laws and policies have changed, but so many people's attitudes haven't. It's better than ever before, but not altogether what some may think
Brave wonderful men.
This was very courageous of you two. Thank you for doing this. But I want to know why you guys are sitting apart from each other in the interview?
I've read some of these comments, and its a battlefield. Just be grateful we don't live in those times in the past. Time are much better now, let's just be grateful, and dwell in peace and brotherhood....... that's not asking for too much.
The best thing about this beautiful country is that all can be heard...no matter how homophobic and misguided!💝
Jill The Lefevre You closed-minded bigots are an utter disgrace to humanity. What would you do if one of your kids turned out to be gay, ‘Christian’?
@@cope3845 twat
0:20 "A lot of innuendo" LOL A most appropriate word choice.
And how many kids would never have to come to terms with anything if those who make it an issue stopped...making it relevant.
Thanks for sharing!!!
link to film is broken. Their blogspot hasn't been updated since 2010. A search produces NOTHING about the current status of these two men - not even obituaries which I would expect to see here in 2020. Where are these men? What happened to them?
Not a choice at all...! Forget this misconcepction that anyone would ever CHOOSE to be gay!!!!
No one is born gay
antonio silvestro Maybe, there is no scientific evidence, but nobody would ever choose to be under most people’s unfair judgment.
@@antoniosilvestro2494
You may be correct. HOWEVER, no one is "converted", no one chooses it, and from my own experience...no one learns it from other people.
I "imagine" up to a certain point/age, there is the possibility you could wind up either hetero or homosexual...but in the same way that my parents MIGHT have "made" me become right handed instead of left handed had they influenced me way before I even got to kindergarten, but after being in school a few weeks there was no easy way to change.
Hell, I knew there was probably something different going on in my head about the age of 9 or 10, but I had no idea what it involved. Being Catholic, I wouldn't even have any idea what was involved in sex...or even just masturbation until I was 19. And didn't have sex involving another person until I was nearly 25.
Why in the world would anyone want to be part of a group of people that only recently started getting their (long overdue) civil rights?
Hopefully they weren’t in the same chain of command, because that’s considered fraternization and conduct unbecoming an officer, regardless of sexual orientation.
I can't even believe that a movie like this was made in a time like this.wow.
Thank you gentleman for service and honor. It’s sometimes easy not to appreciate how far the world has progressed. Still much progress to come.❤
THANK YOU !!!!!
I would like to see this film and yet it’s not available on Amazon Prime or any streaming service…. Can’t find it on the internet.. let’s see if I can find it on blu ray
@FreedomFighterReturn The bible has been rewritten a few times. it is well known that a lot of words in the previous languages it was written in, never exactly matched the words used at translation. A lot of things were paraphrased. For the sake of arguement, let's arrogantly say your version is 100% right. Do you condemn people who wear blended fabrics, eat shellfish or pork, or masturbate, spoiling the seed? Why is it you people only take parts of these and make them socially unexceptable?
Thanks.
where can you get the entire movie???
Nothing has changed....
you gotta admit.. gay guys know fashion well!!
Is this just an ad for the book? No problem if it is.
Good for them! Bravery on the front.
Nice one. Subbed.
I was thinking the same thing, how brave they were, unlike certain public figures we see today such as Larry Craig
Thanks for your comment, Woody--it reminded me to look at this video again, in the light of the film OUTRAGE, which I just saw.
Wow. Unfortunately I can’t find the link to the full story.
I don't know who is who, but the second guy on the picture is so handsome. I'd have a gay affair with him...Lol... Call me if you are still alive. :)
AHAHAHAHAHAHAH OH, FOR SURE HE WOULD.
I was very harrassed in the in the AF in the 60s.
Very brave men! Oh,& why DO the pathetic haters view such material if it 'sickens' them so much?! Never worked that one out.Unless,of course,they actually believe their opinion matters in the slightest.Poor,deluded fools.
Yes.... gays......poor deluded fools.
@Varoonmg living in an conservative country like the Philippines i know what homophobia and have been against it for so long, but what i've come to learn from my gay friends is that focusing on their negativity doesn't help all you can do is educate them out of their ignorance and if that doesn't work just don't let it them pull you down. success is the best revenge.
We ARE ALL HUMAN BEINGS, WHICH EVER WAY, LOVE IS LOVE, WETHER YOUR IN THE MILITARY, RAILROAD, AVIATION, RODEOS, POLICE FORCE, TEACHERS, COUNSELERS, Librarians, JUDGES, SPORTS, FIRE FIGHTERS, EMTS, BIOLOGISTS, ECT. THANK YOU FOR ALL YOUR BRAVE SERVICES, MAY GOD BLESS ALL OF YOU, 👍😁😊😉😚🥰☺️👍💪🙏🙏🙏🙏
Interesting. I could have done without the monotonous violin.
Good for them... that was brave!
@StuMaddux How many kids took their life because of the cruelty of people who took exception to a predisposition that they didn't choose but wish to come to terms with in order to live a happy and fulfilled life? And please don't bother telling me that being gay is inconsistent with a happy and fulfilled life.
Are they still together? Pretty brave for back then.👍
@FreedomFighterReturn How is this? The US Army worked out just fine before the "don't ask, don't tell" ruling. What makes you think it will change their performance now? Besides, there has always been gays in the military. The only differance there will be is gays will be able to continue their career without worrying about being dishonorably dischared. They are fighting the same fight and risking their lives every bit as much as any other solder. They deserve the same respect as the others.
Good for them. They are serving their country!!! God bless them!!! 💖👍💖💖👍
I love how people still believe in the concept of heaven and hell. It's almost cute.
And Santa Claus!
As a straight man I always wondered how much pain the LGBT community had to go through
@Ironbulluk Until a kid takes his life because he believes what they say.
@FreedomFighterReturn To say God is capable of hate would be contradictory to God's divinity because God is love, pure and simple
so they called frankfurt... then what?
Forgot to rate this as tops
Chris,Love your comment. It's the fn truth! I'm sick of these contradictive bible thumping hypocrites. Priests/pastors out there paying hookers for sex,not to mention molesting young choir boys. Practice what you preach! These people talk about non believers going to hell. I got news,were all going there,no matter what your beliefs.
It's not any debt anyone pays it's the growth of our society that cont to this day. Evolutionary is the meanest lesson in civil rights to think of the last. Only good is the future and where we are today and where we can go.
I thought officers could not fraternize with NCO's and enlisted
My US Navy discharge papers say honorable under general discharge, misconduct homosexual acts. They are written that way, because that made is almost impossible to get a decent job back in 1981. Funny thing, when the guy that I had been with, and I believe I was in love with, let it out that we had been together, all of the straight sailors that we worked with on a daily basis made sure to protect both of us from any groups of homophobic sailors that tried to hurt us. I know for a fact that they saved my life on more than one occasion. It was not uncommon at all for a sailor, that was rumored to be a queer, to disappear while standing a night watch alone topside. Very few of them were ever found. Anyone being prosecuted was unheard of.
Randy D. That's an amazing story. If you have personal stories of people you knew disappearing that way, they should be told! Stonewall 50th is next month!
@@stumaddux7943 : I fortunately never knew any of them personally. In the late seventies, this was just common knowledge in the navy. I do know that for months I slept with an open Buck Knife in my hand. I had to keep the knife open, in my back pocket during the day. Once, I did have to pull it out to keep from getting beat up by three sailors, luckily they backed off. I also knew that it was very scary when I stood fantail watch at night, (on the back of the ship). On a couple occasions I heard scuffling on the side of the ship, and was later told simply, "Don't worry about it. We won"t let anything happen to you." I was told this by a couple of sailors that were not gay, and were one hell of a lot bigger, and tougher than I was. On more than one occasion they stayed close, and made sure nobody messed with me when I left the ship in port.
The guy that I had been with had to go see the medic. He had gotten some insect bites on his sexual organ, and it was very swollen and itchy. The medic asked how he had been bitten there. Without thinking he told the medic that he had been having sex outdoors with another sailor, the night before. The medic pressed him, and he told him I was who he had been with. I got called into the medic's office, and was asked about it. I knew it wouldn't do any good to lie. So I told the truth. The medic was nice enough about it, and said he would keep it a secret, even thought he shouldn't, as long as it was't a problem. Well, there was a problem. My friend had left the clinic, all swollen up, with a lot of padding in his pants, to go to lunch. He was a naive kid that basically trusted everyone. When people asked about the big bulge in his pants, and why he had been to the sick bay. He told them everything. In no time rumors were everywhere on ship. That is why our friends had to protect us. It was very dangerous in those years to have people think you are a queer, especially in the military. I had no idea he told anybody, until I was called into sick bay, because the medic wanted to talk to me.
We left port for a nine month deployment. It wasn't too long before the rumors got back to the medic. I was again called to his office. He told me he was sorry because he had to report what he knew. He knew that there had been a few fights because of people trying to protect me, and my friend. He said he was afraid for our safety, and it was the only way he could protect us. I didn't hear anything else about it for a long time. After a while things did calm down. About four or five months later we docked in the Philippines. After being there for a few days I was again ordered to go see the medic.
I was lead to the examination room, and introduced to an officer that was a navy psychologist. It was a very uncomfortable meeting. The officer was nice enough, but he had no clue at all, about homosexual people. Most of the questions that he asked were offensive and naive. He asked me if I took the male, or female role having sex. I told him that that was a ridicules question, that there was no female role involved when two guys had sex. I told him we both knew we were guys, and that sex with a guy is nothing like being with a woman. So he asked if I had had penetrative sex with any guys. I told him that I had. He then asked if I took the active or the passive role. I said simply "Both." He asked if I liked both, and I said, "Yes." He asked if I had been with women. I said yes, and it was fun, but it just didn't feel right to me, and that when I had been with guys, that did feel right, and it was more satisfying. I said I didn't know why I felt that way, but I couldn't change it. He then asked if I wanted to be cured. I asked what he thought I could be cured of, and if he even knew that homosexuality had been removed from the list of known mental diseases. He said he knew that. So I asked exactly why the hell he thought that I was crazy, and told him he had no clue about people like me. He just said if I didn't want to be cured, I would be kicked out of the navy.
He then asked if I had ever had any sexual relations with anyone else in the navy. I told the truth, I had. He asked if any of them were on my ship, and how many. I told him yes, two, on this ship, and one other, but never after getting together with the guy that I really liked. I told him they were just one time things that didn't mean as much as the guy that he already knew about. He asked who they were, and I told him it was none of his business, and we had not hurt anybody. He demanded names, he made it a direct order. I refused to give him any names. I told him he could send me to Leavenworth for life, but I wold never give him any names. He asked why I felt so strongly about giving him names. I told him that I would not allow anyone else to be treated the way I was treated. He didn't ask again.
I was restricted to ship, without a courts marshal, or captains mast. No charges were ever filed. Three days later, I was flown half way around the world to San Diego to be discharged. The guy that I liked, was sent somewhere on the east coast. I never saw or heard from him again.
When I arrived on base in San Diego, I was housed with criminals. They were mainly people convicted of drug dealing, drug use, and a few violent people, along with a few thieves. I was the only one not restricted to base. I also was treated as the lowest of the low. The military staff there made it quite clear that they didn't even consider me to be human. I was regularly told that there was nothing worse than a queer, and they thought I should be in Leavenworth. They told the others there for discharge that I was there because I was a queer, and they should not be around me. At least there were guards just outside the barracks so I was relatively safe. I spent eight hours a day for a month picking up cigarette butts, and trash, always being sent to areas fo the base when they were not in use, while I waited for paperwork to be finished. I was usually alone all day every day. Nobody would even talk to me when I wen to lunch. The day the paper work was finally finished, they gave me my discharge papers, and told me I had six hours to get my things, and get off of the base.
@@randyd.8171 - Wow! What a story, and as you make clear, it wasn't as bad as it could have been. It is stories like yours that dissuaded any thoughts of a career in the military when I graduated high school in the mid-'70s. Back then the gay man who rocked the military's boat was Air Force Sgt. Leonard Matlovich, who made the cover of Time magazine with his efforts. In spite of two tours of duty in Vietnam and earning at least one Purple Heart, he was drummed out of the service for confessing his homosexuality. After reading his story I knew even as a teen that even if I said nothing, it would come out. My high school experience only validated that notion.
Mr. Matlovich became an eloquent spokesman for gay liberation but sadly, one of the victims of the early years of the AIDS pandemic. I'm probably gonna get this quote not quite right but he had this as his epitaph,, "The military gave me a medal for killing two men and a discharge for loving one." Sure wish he could have lived to see how far we've come.
..its not a choice ,its a Gift..you just have to know how to keep it ,handel it and save it...its like your Grnd mother s gift...dont show it to everyone...live ure life and get away from allt the bad and negativ energies....NYC boy
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@FreedomFighterReturn I agree they are not the same thing. The Bible displays both. How is it, you believe some of the Bible is false, but never question the rest? Also, i noticed you never commented on the blended fabrics, shellfish or pork. You also never answered my other question. I believe the honest answer would either be "out of convenience" or "out of hatred".
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No Jimmy and Ralf,o no
That's hilarious!
Whole new meaning to I got your back.
How many gay people do you know then?
He pushed his stool in at the bar.
@StuMaddux That's their choice
ditto :(
Wrong then...wrong now!!
@Ironbulluk Tell that to everyone who makes it relevant.
I would have reported them to Frankfurt.
Why?
Balls is balls whatever color they're covered with.
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they just want to get out of the military
Awful music
Two gay soldiers eating pudding
buggerz