I've felt the need to comment outside of our comrade thread because KM doesn't deserve solely negative shit. More than the decks, I come here for the meta analysis. So many great insights, thanks KM
feel so lucky i grabbed frigga just cus the cache around her was so good (copycat, red guardian) this is the first time since i started playing the game in august that i do actually have every card for the best deck which is a very weird feeling lol.
I finally gathered enough tokens to buy Frigga so i could play what is now the old best deck (Iron Patriot, Hand, Anti-Venom). I'm glad I didn't get her (she is still pinned)
I got Frigga and Malekith solely because of the other cards in the cache. Both times it took me 3 keys to get the cards that I wanted and I thought "hmm, might as well spend one more key to get the new card" 😂
@@HermanTG i can relate. Got Havok because I wanted Malekith, sadly Frigga was with two cards i already owned... keys are too damn expensive and I don't think variants are worth it, so I just skip spotlights if I own both of the older cards.
I had the thought when the spiderman buff came out that like this is a 2/4 that is upside in my opinion but outside of scream it is debatable witch made me think about how hydra bob's upside is debatable witch then led me to realize WE GOT A 1/5 WITH UPSIDE BEFORE A 2/4 WITH UPSIDE and even after the nerfs we still have a 1/4 with upside and the best we got over is same power double the cost
Idk about you guys, but these Hela/clog metas are just shit I don’t miss. Feel like the meta was in a way healthier/diverse/midrange spot before the patch. They should’ve left Hela as is, I don’t know why they’re so hell bent on keeping this card relevant when there are plenty other cards that are way less frustrating to play against and need way more love
@@Ashrah_Vellfor me it’s Destroy decks. I’ve seen them so much since the game launched I cringe when I have to play against it or play it to complete bounties 😂
Started off infinite at 3964 - playing only move bounce on ranked - interesting that you have iron patriot in there versus us agent - IP discounted card Frigga is so good, another trigger when you don’t hit your scalers gives more options - I do think move bounce is great into scream, outside of a turn two scream they usually cannot out point you and you can snap into them pretty aggressively
I've played a lot with V Hand/Moonstone variations, but I feel like my ongoing decks, while still good, have fallen behind because I lack Speed and Wiccan. Because of this, I've gravitated back towards the Havok small deck, and it's still good! It doesn't go as high as some others, especially if the opponent gets to use all ongoing cards (haven't encountered many Hela decks yet), but it's a fun and efficient little deck.
I'm usually a huge fan of metas that are two passing ships in the night, but once I find the that deck that punch holes in it it can swing right around.
The Clog list you showed is still super good. My only change was I chose Gorr over Rhulk. With both Goblins, Hood, etc and the amount of on reveal running around with Iron Patriot lists, I’ve easily had 21 power gorr dropped on t7
@@JamestheKilljoy Actually though, beyond it being surprisingly meta relevant RN, it may be a very important future thinking grab for next months season pass card, so, maybe worth a harder think..
Husky cooked up a Scream affliction combo deck that took me too infinite. With less luke cage after the OTA the deck shines. It was featured on snapjudgement.
I don't thing going from a 2/19 to a 2/15 is really all that bad plus there is more benefit to bouncing Iron Patriot and his condition is easy to fulfill when you can scale Torch, Dagger, and Vulture as quickly
@@WaitWhat-zw2in Thanks. Have you been trying that deck variation? If so, how has that worked out for you? What are some common play patterns with IP in your experience?
My take is that Iron Patriot is just too strong not to include in any deck that has an early game. It's a small cost for the common upside of incredibly efficient stats and the rarer upside of just winning you the game outright with the right card generated.
On the subject of this being a Negative metagame, have you tried out that small ball Zombies cook? That has printed cubes for me since the patch. Works similar to a Negative deck but seems to be more flexible and less all or nothing. My day 1 hot take of this meta is that this Moonstone and Hela experimentation will be a flash in the pan and we'll settle back down to Move Bounce and a couple of season pass card good card lists staying at the top.
Idk, Hela is getting more and more consistent rn. We are looking at ebony maw too for the consistency with colleen. Also SSM doubling the targets is interesting to look at
@Digitalprankster44 It's a cook by Zombiesgonomnom (I think): Kitty, Bast, Ravona, Agent Venom, Thena, Iron Patriot, Nova, Mobius, Mystique, Red Guardian, Iron Man, Gore - its a bit of a throw back to the old Agent Venom lists that goes surprisingly tall with Iron Man / Gore shenanigans.
There's plenty of chance to interact with clog, to escape being clogged, to stuff the attempt to clog a lane or lead them to fill a lane with you in the lead. it's not one card, clog a lane, no interaction, especially with the white widow nerf reducing the prospects for really quick early full lane clogs. Anyone playing bounce or destroy or cards that move can stuff clog very badly. Whereas Hela's problem has always been that it's a 6-huge where the only way to interact with it at all is either to Cosmo or Alioth Hela herself on the turn they play her. I don't like having Hela back in the meta but I don't think it's weird that there are people who hate Hela and don't mind clog.
It’ll take me a lot to be convinced to grab Frigga still (too transparent of a play to get the W), but seems Moonstone is a worth grab yeah?? Especially in preparation for Sam Wilson, I bet??
I'd say the only great thing about Frigga is that she helps you squeeze by some weak board states and reallocate power. Like in destroy, copying carnage or venom, Deadpool, or even a death. In Thanos, you can copy a stone or mockingbird or Death again lol. In move bounce, I have such a love-hate with that whole deck... but it works when it works lol. Frigga feels best and powerful with V-hand tho 😬 that's a lotta' powa
@ To maybe reiterate what I already said, I understand the great things Frigga can do, but don’t see the snap equity since most of my valuations are based on a certain level of surprise, and Frigga is all transparency for the opponent, I rarely lose more than 1 cube to her.. Moonstone, however is still pulling at me and I wonder about any non Frigga moonstone deck and her propensity to be useful now and into Sam Wilson season; Frigga pairings aside..
NGL the midrange 4-drop meta has been getting kinda stale recently, nice to see more combo decks, if Sep 2024 me heard me say that they would probably have a heart attack
I had such bad luck with Moonstone last night. The worst. I'm happy that Moonstone is so open to enchantress. Aren't you glad they resurrected Hela before High Evo?
As he sad right at the end… these decks are not statistic proven decks. People are too dumb to realise that decks on the internet are very rarely stat driven
I am having some fun with my "Anoy-Deck" Just a lot of counter cards and cards that anoy your opponent. Yondu Shadowking Cable Grandmaster Negasonic Teenage Warhead Red Guardian Gladiator Shang-Chi Enchantress Black Bolt Stature Spiderwoman it is not the most powerfull deck, but I love my Grandmaster combos ;)
9:38 *The living tribunal enters the chat. Also hela seems fun to build rn. There are a lot of options because you have ssm being able to double targeted discards, ebony and swordmaster/coleen, samurai targetting the lesser ones, etc.
that negative deck is so annoying, even when playing clog they still are able to go tall enough with only 1 spot in a lane etc. i ran gorr over red hulk to make hide the power play
Use goon mill - kills negative - however negative is very annoying - and is mainly useful in conquest where you see negative more - in ladder, you either get one or lose one and move on
Am I right that Galacta has kinda fallen off? I’ve got her pinned and I’ve got 12k tokens and still need cards like Wiccan, Gorr, Sage, US Agent, Fenris, Bob, Speed and more.
Wiccan is the only card you cant replace. Speed is replaceable by The Punisher, or in a non ongoing deck Gladiator Gorr is replaceable with Red Hulk or any other big idiot 6
Seeing iorn patriot in move bounce really pains me like letter ly every other card I could get in a month with tokens but the best card in the meta I have to wait a month for it doesn't happen often that I feel completely excluded from a meta game and there is definitely things I could play but man do I feel excluded from this meta game
@@loner007 I want to but I spending money in stuff like this is a slippery slope and small savings add up rather have an easier retirement or happier family then have the best card every month if I do buy it it would probably be a one time thing and even then it sets an unhealthy exception to my bondrys on spending
@NathanaelFouts I feel you. I am trying to keep my spending to minimum for this game, but it can be hard if you want to stay up to date with the meta. Good on you for having that self-control to not spend.
“Verticality” is the word of the week. I, as a former philosopher, loved when “obviate” was the word of last week
Thought I was the only one who noticed this. Probably got a word of the day/week calendar for Christmas
Damn another word in the KM dictionary, next to "midrange" and "nutdraw"
midrange is really a standard term in a lot of games, especially card games
@@swedishZ0mBi3what about “situation “
This is a situation we find ourselves in.
My game is telling me that it's been banned in America anyone else seeing this?
Welcome to America 🎉🎉🎉
i needed this. i’ve been playing peef mill holy crap.
We have a healthy and fun meta... so naturally it's time to buff Hela lol
I've felt the need to comment outside of our comrade thread because KM doesn't deserve solely negative shit.
More than the decks, I come here for the meta analysis. So many great insights, thanks KM
feel so lucky i grabbed frigga just cus the cache around her was so good (copycat, red guardian) this is the first time since i started playing the game in august that i do actually have every card for the best deck which is a very weird feeling lol.
I finally gathered enough tokens to buy Frigga so i could play what is now the old best deck (Iron Patriot, Hand, Anti-Venom). I'm glad I didn't get her (she is still pinned)
Bought her too. Nice addition to my move bounce deck as well so I can basically run all tier 1 decks.
once again, these are not necessarely the best decks… these are just good performing decks.
I got Frigga and Malekith solely because of the other cards in the cache. Both times it took me 3 keys to get the cards that I wanted and I thought "hmm, might as well spend one more key to get the new card" 😂
@@HermanTG i can relate. Got Havok because I wanted Malekith, sadly Frigga was with two cards i already owned... keys are too damn expensive and I don't think variants are worth it, so I just skip spotlights if I own both of the older cards.
Such a good analysis of the state of the meta. Excellent stuff.
I had the thought when the spiderman buff came out that like this is a 2/4 that is upside in my opinion but outside of scream it is debatable witch made me think about how hydra bob's upside is debatable witch then led me to realize WE GOT A 1/5 WITH UPSIDE BEFORE A 2/4 WITH UPSIDE and even after the nerfs we still have a 1/4 with upside and the best we got over is same power double the cost
Idk about you guys, but these Hela/clog metas are just shit I don’t miss. Feel like the meta was in a way healthier/diverse/midrange spot before the patch. They should’ve left Hela as is, I don’t know why they’re so hell bent on keeping this card relevant when there are plenty other cards that are way less frustrating to play against and need way more love
Clog is the deck I find most frustrating to play against. It just drains my will to play every time I see my opponent is playing it 😅
Mid range is just a bunch of tech cards. Those decks are just as annoying
@@Ashrah_Vellfor me it’s Destroy decks. I’ve seen them so much since the game launched I cringe when I have to play against it or play it to complete bounties 😂
@ I personally really like Destroy, even though I hardly ever play it nowadays. I don't know, I just think it's a fun archetype! x)
@mrkevin8952 100% with you.
Started off infinite at 3964 - playing only move bounce on ranked - interesting that you have iron patriot in there versus us agent - IP discounted card Frigga is so good, another trigger when you don’t hit your scalers gives more options - I do think move bounce is great into scream, outside of a turn two scream they usually cannot out point you and you can snap into them pretty aggressively
Priority and Wiccan/Alioth has been solving and killing lots of plays... I feel so skilled 🤖👍
I've played a lot with V Hand/Moonstone variations, but I feel like my ongoing decks, while still good, have fallen behind because I lack Speed and Wiccan. Because of this, I've gravitated back towards the Havok small deck, and it's still good! It doesn't go as high as some others, especially if the opponent gets to use all ongoing cards (haven't encountered many Hela decks yet), but it's a fun and efficient little deck.
I'm usually a huge fan of metas that are two passing ships in the night, but once I find the that deck that punch holes in it it can swing right around.
I still want someone to be crazy and try a hella clog, where you resurrect all the negative power cards and push them over to the opponent XD
The Clog list you showed is still super good. My only change was I chose Gorr over Rhulk. With both Goblins, Hood, etc and the amount of on reveal running around with Iron Patriot lists, I’ve easily had 21 power gorr dropped on t7
Just went 92 to Infinite with the Moonslaught deck in 22 games (16-6). I actually don't have Quinjet or Speed so subbed Quicksilver and Punisher.
I find myself putting Rogue is soooo many decks these days. She’s so good.
Every game I play a little round of guessing, will I get nuked by Rogue or Red Guardian this game? Cosmo or invis woman is already essential to play.
Fine I’ll buy moonstone 😭
You really don't need to. It's just the new thing, next week it'll be something else
@ I know, I do like having a complete collection tho. (Aside from hulkling) probably gonna skip next week tho
@@JamestheKilljoy Actually though, beyond it being surprisingly meta relevant RN, it may be a very important future thinking grab for next months season pass card, so, maybe worth a harder think..
3 keys, no swan, winning
@ I had to 4 bang in the keys (RIP to the @The_Snapshot )
Is usagent still worth buying?
Husky cooked up a Scream affliction combo deck that took me too infinite. With less luke cage after the OTA the deck shines. It was featured on snapjudgement.
Leech, the villain we despised, becomes the savior we need.
So this game got banned with Tictok?
Tikky TOk
7:26 I wish you could have talked about that Iron Patriot inclusion. Was the nerf to US Agent that bad or is IP adding another win con?
I don't thing going from a 2/19 to a 2/15 is really all that bad plus there is more benefit to bouncing Iron Patriot and his condition is easy to fulfill when you can scale Torch, Dagger, and Vulture as quickly
@@WaitWhat-zw2in Thanks. Have you been trying that deck variation? If so, how has that worked out for you? What are some common play patterns with IP in your experience?
My take is that Iron Patriot is just too strong not to include in any deck that has an early game. It's a small cost for the common upside of incredibly efficient stats and the rarer upside of just winning you the game outright with the right card generated.
both. it's the nerf + the overlap with frigga
On the subject of this being a Negative metagame, have you tried out that small ball Zombies cook? That has printed cubes for me since the patch. Works similar to a Negative deck but seems to be more flexible and less all or nothing. My day 1 hot take of this meta is that this Moonstone and Hela experimentation will be a flash in the pan and we'll settle back down to Move Bounce and a couple of season pass card good card lists staying at the top.
What's the Zombies list?
Idk, Hela is getting more and more consistent rn. We are looking at ebony maw too for the consistency with colleen. Also SSM doubling the targets is interesting to look at
What is this zombies deck you speak of?
@Digitalprankster44 It's a cook by Zombiesgonomnom (I think): Kitty, Bast, Ravona, Agent Venom, Thena, Iron Patriot, Nova, Mobius, Mystique, Red Guardian, Iron Man, Gore - its a bit of a throw back to the old Agent Venom lists that goes surprisingly tall with Iron Man / Gore shenanigans.
@ TY, kind sir! I plan to take it for a spin!
Skrull, that what interacts with mister negative and all moonstone decks. Ans he is everywhere
I've been having a blast with hela and various moonstone decks.
Good ol dracula dump is doing ok. Red guardian falling off a bit for all the hela tech is a boon.
There's plenty of chance to interact with clog, to escape being clogged, to stuff the attempt to clog a lane or lead them to fill a lane with you in the lead. it's not one card, clog a lane, no interaction, especially with the white widow nerf reducing the prospects for really quick early full lane clogs. Anyone playing bounce or destroy or cards that move can stuff clog very badly.
Whereas Hela's problem has always been that it's a 6-huge where the only way to interact with it at all is either to Cosmo or Alioth Hela herself on the turn they play her.
I don't like having Hela back in the meta but I don't think it's weird that there are people who hate Hela and don't mind clog.
It’ll take me a lot to be convinced to grab Frigga still (too transparent of a play to get the W), but seems Moonstone is a worth grab yeah??
Especially in preparation for Sam Wilson, I bet??
I'd say the only great thing about Frigga is that she helps you squeeze by some weak board states and reallocate power. Like in destroy, copying carnage or venom, Deadpool, or even a death. In Thanos, you can copy a stone or mockingbird or Death again lol. In move bounce, I have such a love-hate with that whole deck... but it works when it works lol. Frigga feels best and powerful with V-hand tho 😬 that's a lotta' powa
@ To maybe reiterate what I already said, I understand the great things Frigga can do, but don’t see the snap equity since most of my valuations are based on a certain level of surprise, and Frigga is all transparency for the opponent, I rarely lose more than 1 cube to her..
Moonstone, however is still pulling at me and I wonder about any non Frigga moonstone deck and her propensity to be useful now and into Sam Wilson season; Frigga pairings aside..
@spincut13 I mean, it is just Sam Wilson tho 🤔 What do you have in mind? Moonstone/Patriot/dr.doom/doom99 typesh*t or Ongoing madness 🙃
@spincut13 oh yea, forgot about Speed... if you have him, I'd say go for it 👍
@@Ledluver He’s not out yet so I don’t have anything in mind, but seems more than a “it’s just Sam Wilson” sort of thought..
Time to pull my Fenris Storm Legion deck back out
I feel like Classic Discard with Fenris Wolf is good because the possible rise of Hela
You need alioth in your scream deck. Once you clog one lane and you have alioth in hand, the game is won
I want to see a new type of On Going Doom 2099 list. Rogue, Fantastic, Onslaught, Iron Man, Mystique, Skrull.
My idea was a Sandman Mobius Spectrum Doom 2099 list but that has since become much less viable
@@FilmColossus Yeah, that kind of stuff can actually go taller than Hela. The tallest would be TLT but that's not exactly a new Doom 2099 build
@@smartpatrick8690 TLT?
NGL the midrange 4-drop meta has been getting kinda stale recently, nice to see more combo decks, if Sep 2024 me heard me say that they would probably have a heart attack
Agreed.
I had such bad luck with Moonstone last night. The worst.
I'm happy that Moonstone is so open to enchantress.
Aren't you glad they resurrected Hela before High Evo?
What about the Victoria/Iron Patriot deck you posted a few days ago ? That isn't performing well now ?
As he sad right at the end… these decks are not statistic proven decks. People are too dumb to realise that decks on the internet are very rarely stat driven
@Rambrus0 It was a superb deck that did wonders for me. I was struggling this season but crossed infinite last night using that deck
I am having some fun with my "Anoy-Deck"
Just a lot of counter cards and cards that anoy your opponent.
Yondu
Shadowking
Cable
Grandmaster
Negasonic Teenage Warhead
Red Guardian
Gladiator
Shang-Chi
Enchantress
Black Bolt
Stature
Spiderwoman
it is not the most powerfull deck, but I love my Grandmaster combos ;)
Zoo is still my go to deck
I've had good success with surfer.
Hela still scares me though.
sorry to tell you bud but they banned it in the U.S.
Moonstone is a nice addition to the meta
In which we strive to answer the question: “What fresh Hela is this?”
Regular discard has been terrible for me lately. Got red guardianed ten games in a row earlier...
IT GOT BANNED
What's a good replacement for speed
Punisher
Wait… wouldn’t clog just counter everything right now? No space = can’t go vertical.
9:38 *The living tribunal enters the chat.
Also hela seems fun to build rn. There are a lot of options because you have ssm being able to double targeted discards, ebony and swordmaster/coleen, samurai targetting the lesser ones, etc.
Very fun. I love the change a lot.
that negative deck is so annoying, even when playing clog they still are able to go tall enough with only 1 spot in a lane etc. i ran gorr over red hulk to make hide the power play
Use goon mill - kills negative - however negative is very annoying - and is mainly useful in conquest where you see negative more - in ladder, you either get one or lose one and move on
We ain’t running Sentry Annihilus in cloggers?
WTF is Iron Patriot doing in move bounce? You know a card is omega broken when it gets randomly splashed into synergy decks.
mostly that usagent got nerfed and its worth trying
Guys, do I spend 6k on moonstone or Bob?
same i want to know
give it to the tier list, ill try to figure it out
You could say low power ceiling or high power ceiling
I think we need the original Annihilus back
Not really. We just need White Widow back. Just make her a 3/3 and she is balanced
@Rambrus0 I meant I need old Annihilus back lol black widow means nothing.
@@richardp4666I believe he's saying that if we get old white widow (not black widow), it would also help out annihilus
I'm not one to complain about SD or Snap, I think it's fine for the most part, but man the "Meta" decks are just getting more and more expensive loll
When you want to play moonslaught deck but don't have Wiccan 😢
Am I right that Galacta has kinda fallen off? I’ve got her pinned and I’ve got 12k tokens and still need cards like Wiccan, Gorr, Sage, US Agent, Fenris, Bob, Speed and more.
There's Negative decks more centered in Zola Knull than Sage Wong that can afford Killmonger or Shang to beat clog, just saying
btw guys i dont know if ita worth getting Moonstone if u dont have speed
Victoria hand is the more important card, Speed is also nice but less required. Mister fantastic is a solid alternative.
@@swedishZ0mBi3 thanks! if i dont have USAgent what can i replace him with?
Speed is probably the least needed card. He is good but you can easily replace him
@@XLucifersXDepends on the purpose. With moonstone? Nothing. Generaly any 2 drop
It's Wiccan, Speed, and Gorr that I'm lackin smh
Wiccan is the only card you cant replace.
Speed is replaceable by The Punisher, or in a non ongoing deck Gladiator
Gorr is replaceable with Red Hulk or any other big idiot 6
It got banned too 😢
Seeing iorn patriot in move bounce really pains me like letter ly every other card I could get in a month with tokens but the best card in the meta I have to wait a month for it doesn't happen often that I feel completely excluded from a meta game and there is definitely things I could play but man do I feel excluded from this meta game
@NathanaelFouts So you don't want to buy the season pass card?
@@loner007 I want to but I spending money in stuff like this is a slippery slope and small savings add up rather have an easier retirement or happier family then have the best card every month if I do buy it it would probably be a one time thing and even then it sets an unhealthy exception to my bondrys on spending
@NathanaelFouts I feel you. I am trying to keep my spending to minimum for this game, but it can be hard if you want to stay up to date with the meta. Good on you for having that self-control to not spend.
Skyscraper meta
Marvel Snap banned in US ):
After getting malekith I made it to infinite
lol can't even play now
no sentry 😢
If they don't delete Hela in the next patch I unistall.
It got fuckin banned
I hate move bounce
Sounds like you hate winning
@ I meant I hate facing it
Game is now banned
This video won't do well
Ugh, I can't play any of these decks.
Guess I should have picked up Gorr
Km I still play your old clog / ajax deck and I performs alot better for me suprises alot of people but Magik is still depressing 🥲