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Even though I'm not Eastern Orthodox, this news makes me really sad :( Satan is really stepping up his game lately. Maybe he is getting desperate because he senses his time is running out? Unity, and the healing of schisms (Catholic & Orthodox) is in my daily prayers, and I will pray that this new schism amongst the Eastern Orthodox will be short lived.
As a Catholic, I pray for unity as well. On a lighter note, I think our Heavenly Mother could help end these schisms the only way a mother knows how: by forcing them to say nice things about each other or no one's going to Disney World next week. So, as a Catholic, I am humbly asking Patriarch Bartholomew and Patriarch Kiril to please end the schism. I really like Disney World.
Tessa!
We meet again!
I share the sentiment.
I even thought for a moment, if I leave the Catholic Church, I'll join the Orthodox.
Well, it looks to me like we're all screwed together. So, let's pray. It's what we can do.
Prayer, and fasting, and almsgiving.
Yes, we all need to pray for unity. :-( It is just so heartbreaking seeing all the crap the Churches pull on each other (the idea that this is all a move from sleeper agents is not comforting at all!)
Jesus Acuna Yes, we are all screwed together. All in one “I am telling you: you are no more part of Christ” screwed up position. Maybe it’s a sign that we all are already one. We have unity in “we get fucked up by politics”.
Ko, ja? :-)
Schism is easier to bear if you laugh at it.
Also, thank you, Monax Antonii, for the wonderful quote!
Oh right, this is my comment, I don't have to reply to it.
Sounds like the Judeo-Protestant alliance has its target on the Orthodox Church stay strong my brothers!
What is a schism?
@@Православл hey i forgot to say thanks you for the comment, i been going through some stuff. Sorry and thanks you.
God biss.
@@Православл my faith?... what do you mean. About Jesus Christ? My sin? My pray life?
As a Christian we should pray for the unity of The Catholic Church and Orthodox in order to make it happen what Jesus Christ wanted us to be one as The Father and Him are One, and Ephesians chapter 4 " One faith one God one Baptism ". Amen
Amen! This schism is horrid, but it also recalls how other schisms we have at the moment are horrid as well.
As a Maronite Catholic, I'm praying for our unity under God's love and mercy. May the Orthodox Church be always united and may the Catholic Church rejoin them. Or they join her. I don't know. Whatever is right. Please pray for that you too.
J. K. Join one-another! :)
Since Christ's prayers are effectual, the Church is One. The Orthodox Church is the one true Church.
J. K.
Uniates like you will eventually save the Roman Communion by eventually outnumbering and replacing the current Novis Ordo Majority. This is the slow miracle that God is making out of this tragedy. Once a Greek or an Ethiopian is Pope, we will have someone who is reasonable enough to negotiate properly with Orthodoxy, perhaps being able to reflect properly on the fact that an Autocephalous Confederation is a very effective way of avoiding concentrated corruption.
“The most anticipated event of the season” Lmaooo. 🤣
Cruel, I know B-)
Absolutely! We have no Pope! We the people have always been the Church, the Church is our Ark. As much as I love and honor Hierarchs (I quite like my Bishop Isaiah, the Metropolitan of Denver) he still is a human being striving for transformation like all of us.
We should never stop our prayers for “all the Clergy and the People” (not only once a week as this phrase is chanted in Liturgy by the Deacon).
You put it so well, Bonnie! :-)
Watch the You tube video of our Lady of Divine Revelations you will love it
Worst case scenario, they'll classify Christianity into: "Catholicism, Protestantism, Oriental Orthodoxy, Eastern Orthodoxy, Gerontogeous Orthodoxy, and What were these guys smoking, are they even in the right religion?"
"The one true Orthodoxies"
If they have smoked some, this wouldn’ t happened.
"So which church are you a part of? The Eastern Orthodox, The Eastern Orthodox, The Eastern Orthodox, or the Church of the East?"
Seriously, even protestants are more creative lol
“Second Belgrade” lol
Copying from a different comment thread - "Can't even tell you just how close that joke was close to be left out - my sound editor didn't get it, so I decided for something else, but he accidentally left the old version and I decided to stick with it. For some unknown reason, people really liked it - no one commented on the voodoo dolls!"
@matt yes, those dolls are a set up for everything else. Absolutely loved it!
I'm new to all this Orthodox business so help me out. By "Second Belgrade" are we just saying that Serbia was Orthodox first?
Derek A. Kamal No, it just has so many levels of references :))))) It is meta- joke :))))
@@D-A-K No, its just means that serbia stretches to Tokio hahahah. That joke has nothing to do with orthodoxy.
In the very end, Jesus wins. We have nothing to worry about if we have Faith.
Oh man, I will use this in a video sometime (and reference you :D )
Bible Illustrated Thank you and God bless always!
(1 year too late, but I'll reply anyways)
Reminds me of a quote from Saint Paisios the Athonite:
"What I see around me would drive me insane, if I did not know that no matter what happens, God will have the last word."
Today we just had an Ukrainian couple singing beautifully in our small Greek orthodox church here in my hometown at today’s lithurgy. It brought tears into my eyes. Our priest speaks very good Russian and he was switching between that and Hungarian to involve everyone present. No divisions here. :)
Protestants be like "first time"?
I’m discerning rn between the Orthodox and Catholic Churches and the respective scandals in both aren’t helping :/ I sometimes do worry that I’m gonna join and dedicate my life to a church, only to die and find out it was the wrong one, but I try to remember that “no one goes to hell over a technicality” and if I sincerely seek God and serve him, that’s all I can do
Now, I am biased towards Orthodoxy, and I suggest you seek there, buuuuut, even if you make "a mistake" I can't really imagine God holding it up against you. Choosing between Orthodoxy and Catholicism is a step in the right direction; the only difference being just how much a 'right' direction it is and how big of a step, but it's still a good move to make :-)
At least you have a choice... I am not in such a luxurious position to go shopping for religions like I would a piece of fruit... Neither church will have me, so be happy you have the opportunity to choose Orthodoxy when some people like me don't. (You are probably educated, wealthy, heterosexual, married, etc.)
Why no Church would have you?
Remember, in relation to said scandals, that the holiness of the members isn't what matters for the Church's identity as holy, it's the holiness of Christ as head of the Church. Both also have a great number of saints to look to and pray to for intercession, so that's a plus. And don't worry about going to hell by picking the wrong church, that technicality thing most applies here. (The Catholic Church recognizes at least 1 saint that was never in communion, if that helps) Simply seek to live a prayerful life of love, hope, and charity rooted in God. The differences between the two are so small anyway, especially in relation to other churches, and the Body and Blood of Christ and the reconciling power and forgiveness of Confession is the same in both. You're picking between the two best choices, so 👍 either way.
"the rarest gift of the Holy Spirit. COMMON SENSE. " It do be like that sometimes :)))
3 years later and it's only gotten worse. It must feel good living in a majority Orthodox country like Serbia, since every church in the country is under the same jurisdiction. But in America, a lot of Orthodox Christians can't take Communion in each other's churches, even if they're only a few miles apart.
As sad as I am about the situation, I am almost entirely sure they can. This schism is a political and (let's hope) temporary split which has nothing to do with dogma. No side is seeing the other, or their flock, as heretical or unworthy of salvation. As far as I understand, the general principle since late antiquity has always been: if there's a canonical church near you and you're baptised, you're good to go, wether that church is Greek, Romanian, Ecumenical, Polish, Estonian, Russian or Cypriot.
LOL...it will only Get Even Worse now that Russia made a Fool of herself by Destroying Ukriane in a Foolish WAr and Invasion
This is untrue. The Laity are not under punishment for the break in Communion as that is a bridge too far for Bishops 1000s of miles away from their home countries.
The Clergy cannot celebrate together.
God bless all involved- I am from a protestant church. I love catholicism and I wish that we would all one day take communion with each other
Same here, Joseph! Hope it becomes a reality one day!
We Catholics hope that the Orthodox Church will be..again, in full communion with the Catholic Church.
Likewise here! :-)
I am an Orthodox but i do believe that the churches must be unite.
It is just patriarch stuff
Though Constantinople, Alexandria, Athens and Kiev didn't repay in kind the schism that Moscow threw first. ;)
Kirill is still in our Diptychs, but sadly not the other way around.
Metropolitan Onuphry of Kiev is not currently in Communion with any of those Bishops.
Unless you're talking about the Schismatics set up by the United States. Well they're not considered Canonical by even the Churches in Communion with both Constantinople and Moscow and refuse to concelebrate with them.
And Canonically Speaking the EP set up a parallel Jurisdiction in Ukraine. So they are the Schismatics according to Canon Law.
I like that quote that no one goes to hell over a technicality. But, even that aside, it is still important to try and figure out the truth. If you are in America attending a Greek Orthodox Church, and there is a Russian Orthodox Church nearby, there is still an important decision to pray and research about. I had the same thought process when was trying to find the true Church before I became Orthodox. I was pretty distressed about finding the truth for my salvation, and I concluded with hoping in God's mercy for that, and trying to find the truth because it is the right thing to do. And that if I was trying to do the right thing by looking for the truth, then I could indeed hope for God's mercy regarding the relationship of this to my salvation.
I agree that the forces of hell seem to be making a lot of big hits recently.
The schism does not mean that there are two Churches now - these two particular Churches are still in communion with other particular Churches, so, for now, it really doesn't matter whether you're attending a Greek or Russian Orthodox church. I don't think God abandons any honest seeker, even if (s)he fails to find the most 'correct' Church.
A fair point.
Second Belgrade lmfao
Can't even tell you just how close that joke was close to be left out - my sound editor didn't get it, so I decided for something else, but he accidentally left the old version and I decided to stick with it. For some unknown reason, people really liked it - no one commented on the voodoo dolls!
Honestly I’m not worried about it because Jesus is always with us, this a little black cloud that will vanish any time soon. I’m going to a Greek Orthodox Church but I personally don’t focus in this dispute, I prefer to pray and keep humble.
I loved this video, Bojan. You explained a lot of thing that i was thinking about here.
Perfect!
Thanks! I seriously thought we needed to have a giggle here or there. Everyone's so damn grim!
First
*best person ever*
This does give me hope in spite of what I worry of, thank you for the laughs too and references. ;)
Learn not to worry ;-)
I laughed out loud when Krill is described as the Bishop of the second Belgrade!
You need your own TV show man. Your like Christian south park 😆😆
Best comment ever! :-D
Something a Russian priest said that troubled me, a Greek Orthodox in America (under Met. Gerasimos of SF) was that laypeople under a bishop that supports the new church (OCU) in Ukraine must announce to either their priest or bishop that they will not give alms to them unless the support the canonical (UOC-MP) Church in Ukraine. Was curious if you had any specific advice to those in America under the Greek Archdiocese as this schism enters its sixth year
_This is something you mentioned in one of your videos. Here it is, the_
*Litany of the Saints*
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*Christ, have mercy,* _Christ, have mercy._ *
*Lord, have mercy,* _Lord, have mercy._ *
*Christ hear us,* _Christ graciously hear us._
*God the Father of Heaven,* _have mercy on us._
*God the Son, Redeemer of the World,* _have mercy on us._
*God the Holy Spirit,* _have mercy on us._
*Holy Trinity, one God,* _have mercy on us._
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*Saint Nicholas,* _pray for us._
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*All you Holy Virgins*
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*Lord, be merciful,* _Lord, save your people._
*From all evil,* _Lord, save your people._
*From all sin,* _Lord, save your people._
*From Your wrath,* _Lord, save your people._
3 *From a sudden and unprovided death,* _Lord, save your people._
*From the snares of the devil,* _Lord, save your people._
*From anger, hatred and all ill-will,* _Lord, save your people._
*From the spirit of uncleanness,* _Lord, save your people._
*From lightning and tempest,* _Lord, save your people._
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*By Your coming,* _Lord, save your people._
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*Be merciful to us sinners,* _Lord, hear our prayer._
*That You will spare us,* _Lord, hear our prayer._
*That You will pardon us,* _Lord, hear our prayer._
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*Guide and protect Your holy Church,* _Lord, hear our prayer._
*Preserve in holy religion the Pope, and all those in holy Orders,* _Lord, hear our prayer._
*Humble the enemies of holy Church,* _Lord, hear our prayer._
*Give peace and unity to the whole Christian people,* _Lord, hear our prayer._
*Bring back to the unity of the Church all those who are straying,*
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People in Africa and southwest Asia in 451 be like:
Love the video! As someone entering into the Orthodox Church with a particular interest in joining the greek church (not because of my stance on the schism) does this affect me in anyway? I know the greek churches are one of the churches out of communion with Moscow but does it matter if my wanting to join the greek church has nothing to do with the rightness/wrongness of either see? Should I not join either the Greek or the Russian church because of the schism? I live in an area with many different Orthodox churches. Much love!
dropped in to see, and was pleasantly surprised and inspired by your work, dear brother in Christ! please continue, I wish God to help you! greetings to you from Russia)
what is even funnier is that an english bishop has decided to create a schism between mp and rocor! i have my popcorn and am waiting to see how this drama/thriller will end!
Which bishop is that?
Hold up what is happening?
Not this again
I did engage in a long conversation with two "elders" once who knocked on my door. The result was, they attended Vespers at my Orthodox Christian church. They left before I had a chance to see what they thought about the service.
Thanks for the “heart,” Bohdan! I very much like your online stuff. Where are you located? You can message me privately if you’d like.
This has happend before. I personally support the Moscow side of the argument, dosen t really effect me much, but you hear about people throwing Molotovs at each other? What? Who's idea is that? If your car runs out of gas, you buy some gas, not a new car. In a few months or maybe 3-5 years at most, we'll be relaxed again.
I emailed this link to our parish Priest. He was impressed and thought it was wonderful putting things in the proper perspective. I am not taking sides and and as you put in another video it is heresy for us to criticize a Bishop.
Glad you liked it that much! People like to overreact in these situations, and when they do, only further divisions can result.
@@BibleIllustrated I've noticed that older Priests from Eastern Europe are extremely upset while younger Priests raised in the United States see this as politics and not to worry.
Thank you for keeping humor Bojan!
Always
If I could I'd joke from beyond the grave!
@@BibleIllustrated Brother in Christ, Do you agree that the Roman and Orthodox Church should reunite?
What is the schism about? I could only find mainstream sources that made it sound like nothing but politics.
That's mostly it.
The Early Church Fathers on
Salvation Outside the Church
The Early Church Fathers were not shy when it came to condemning heretics and schismatics. They taught that those who put themselves outside of the Catholic Church had no hope of salvation. Some take that to mean anyone outside of the Church is lost. But that is not so. Their condemnations were aimed specifically at heretics and schismatics. Heretics and schismatics are individuals who at one point had the faith and later rejected it. Those who through no fault of their own do not know what Christ requires of them are not guilty and therefore not automatically condemned. God punishes rebellion not ignorance. He is not legalistic. As the apostle Paul noted in 1 Corinthians 4:5, men will be judged by the purposes of their hearts.
Clement of Rome
Let us go through all generations and learn that in generation after generation the Master has given a place of repentance for those willing to turn to him. Those who repented for their sins, appeased God in praying, and received salvation, even though they were aliens to God (Letter to the Corinthians, no. 7 [AD 95]).
Ignatius of Antioch
Be not deceived, my brethren: If anyone follows a maker of schism [i.e., is a schismatic], he does not inherit the kingdom of God; if anyone walks in strange doctrine [i.e., is a heretic], he has no part in the Passion [of Christ]. Take care, then, to use one Eucharist, so that whatever you do, you do according to God: For there is one flesh of our Lord Jesus Christ, and one cup in the union of his blood; one altar, as there is one bishop, with the presbytery and my fellow servants, the deacons (Letter to the Philadelphians 3:3-4:1 [A.D. 110]).
Justin Martyr
We have been taught that Christ is the first-begotten of God, and we have declared him to be the Logos of which all mankind partakes [John 1:9]. Those, therefore, who lived according to reason [Greek, logos} were really Christians, even though they were thought to be atheists, such as, among the Greeks, Socrates, Heraclitus, and others like them. . . . Those who lived before Christ but did not live according to reason [logos] were wicked men, and enemies of Christ, and murderers of those who did live according to reason [logos], whereas those who lived then or who live now according to reason [logos] are Christians. Such as these can be confident and unafraid (First Apology 46 [A.D. 151]).
Irenaeus
In the Church God has placed apostles, prophets, teachers, and every other working of the Spirit, of whom none of those are sharers who do not conform to the Church, but who defraud themselves of life by an evil mind and even worse way of acting. Where the Church is, there is the Spirit of God; where the Spirit of God is, there is the Church and all grace (Against Heresies 3:24:1 [A.D. 189]).
[The spiritual man] shall also judge those who give rise to schisms, who are destitute of the love of God, and who look to their own special advantage rather than to the unity of the Church; and who for trifling reasons, or any kind of reason which occurs to them, cut in pieces and divide the great and glorious body of Christ, and so far as in them lies, destroy it - men who prate of peace while they give rise to war, and do in truth strain out a gnat, but swallow a camel. For they can bring about no "reformation" of enough importance to compensate for the evil arising from their schism. . . . True knowledge is that which consists in the doctrine of the apostles, and the ancient constitution of the Church throughout all the world, and the distinctive manifestation of the body of Christ according to the successions of the bishops, by which they have handed down that Church which exists in every place [i.e., the Catholic Church] (ibid., 4:33:7-8).
Origen
There was never a time when God did not want men to be just; he was always concerned about that. Indeed, he always provided beings endowed with reason with occasions for practicing virtue and doing what is right. In every generation the Wisdom of God descended into those souls which he found holy and made them to be prophets and friends of God (Against Celsus 4:7 [A.D. 248]).
If someone from this people wants to be saved, let him come into this house so that he may be able to attain his salvation. . . . Let no one, then, be persuaded otherwise, nor let anyone deceive himself: Outside of this house, that is, outside of the Church, no one is saved; for, if anyone should go out of it, he is guilty of his own death (Homilies on Joshua 3:5 [A.D. 250]).
Cyprian of Carthage
Whoever is separated from the Church and is joined to an adulteress [a schismatic church] is separated from the promises of the Church, nor will he that forsakes the Church of Christ attain to the rewards of Christ. He is an alien, a worldling, and an enemy. He cannot have God for his Father who has not the Church for his mother (The Unity of the Catholic Church 6, 1st ed. [A.D. 251]).
Let them not think that the way of life or salvation exists for them, if they have refused to obey the bishops and priests, since the Lord says in the book of Deuteronomy: "And any man who has the insolence to refuse to listen to the priest or judge, whoever he may be in those days, that man shall die" [Deut. 17:12-13]. And then, indeed, they were killed with the sword . . . but now the proud and insolent are killed with the sword of the Spirit, when they are cast out from the Church. For they cannot live outside, since there is only one house of God, and there can be no salvation for anyone except in the Church (Letters 61[4]:4 [A.D. 253]).
The baptism of public witness [desire] and of blood cannot profit a heretic [one who holds the faith and then abandons it] unto salvation, because there is no salvation outside the Church (Letters 72 [73]:21 [A.D. 253]).
Lactanius
It is, therefore, the Catholic Church alone that retains true worship. This is the fountain of truth; this, the domicile of faith; this, the temple of God. Whoever does not enter there or whoever does not go out from there, he is a stranger to the hope of life and salvation. . . Because, however, all the various groups of heretics are confident that they are the Christians and think that theirs is the Catholic Church, let it be known that this is the true Church, in which there is confession and penance and which takes a health-promoting care of the sins and wounds to which the weak flesh is subject (Divine Institutes 4:30:11-13 [A.D. 307]).
Jerome
Heretics bring sentence upon themselves since they by their own choice withdraw from the Church, a withdrawal which, since they are aware of it, constitutes damnation. Between heresy and schism there is this difference: that heresy involves perverse doctrine, while schism separates one from the Church on account of disagreement with the bishop. Nevertheless, there is no schism which does not trump up a heresy to justify its departure from the Church (Commentary on Titus 3:10-11 [A.D. 386]).
Augustine
We believe also in the holy Church, that is, the Catholic Church. For heretics violate the faith itself by a false opinion about God; schismatics, however, withdraw from fraternal love by hostile separations, although they believe the same things we do. Consequently; neither heretics nor schismatics belong to the Catholic Church, not heretics, because the Church loves God, and not schismatics, because the Church loves neighbor (Faith and the Creed 10:21 [A.D. 393]).
When we speak of within and without in relation to the Church, it is the position of the heart that we must consider, not that of the body. . . All who are within [the Church] in heart are saved in the unity of the ark (On Baptism, Against the Donatists 5:28[39] [A.D. 400]).
Thanks for the quotes. God does not punish ignorance. There is a huge difference between a bishop who enters a schism/heresy willingly, and people under him.
@@BibleIllustrated But why SHOULD be in schism? If there is no Heresy in the Catholic Church as our Early Church Father says?
@@BibleIllustrated Does it mean, NEITHER church has a Heresy?
of course there only one who has the Fullness of the truth... And the early Church Fathers knows it very well.
One sad thing is that, we all know that Jesus wants and prayed(john 17:20-23) that the Church may be one. I mean only ONE.
Yet there started in 1054(not sure of exact date) schism.
note, it is not us Catholics who are in schism. It is the Orthodox Church...
We do not hate you guys, you know that.
We just hope that the Orthodox Church...will be in full communion with the Catholic Church..."Again"...
@@BibleIllustrated You can also do a research if the Early Church Fathers rejected the Primacy of Peter/Primacy of a Pope.
I did and wasn't impressed. I find papal infallibility to be especially problematic.
There is the other schism also. Let us pray for a solution.
True.
SECOND BELGRADE! this is outrage!!!
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My long lost twin brother I have found you.
*good job, hell*
Love it! Hahaha
Thanks, Athan! :D
# of pentagrams in your videos🤣
Second Belgrade... hah!
That joke barely made it into the video, so glad I kept it :-)
@@BibleIllustrated are you in Serbia?
Yup!
If you're anywhere near Belgrade or Sopot we should get a coffee.
Or chivapi!
Браво и велико хвала!
Ništa! :-D
Thank you so much for your wonderful drawings of the schism.
Absolutely love your sense of humor, thank you. May the Lord grant thee many years
Lord Jesus Christ Son of God have mercy on us and save us.
Hah thank you! I just thought that people could use some lightheartedness after all the doom & gloom :-)
love this. thank you :)
Thanks, Stefan! :D
Wouldn’t it be ironic that 2054 Catholics and orthodox United
Why are Orthodox Jesus prayer ropes different?
Different from what?
@@BibleIllustratedI assume rosaries
My own diocese is under neither’s jurisdiction. I at least don’t have to worry about some self-important Greek or Russian calling me heretic, until His eminence, Bishop “Believers were fist called Christians in the Antioch” weighs in
Likewise here, tho my Church is pretty Russian-leaning.
Bible Illustrated plaky
Ha! I remember that reference. Both of my parishes are under New Rome; One is GOARCH, and the other is OCA. Strangely, my OCA church is culturally Romainian/Russian, and yet is directly under Greece.
How is OCA under Greece or New Rome when it was granted autocephaly by the Moscow Patriarch?
Robert Hammond it' s all about little details who is under whom because The Lord of the known and unknown Universe is bureaucrat. Church is always carefull about details. I must ask, is meriage between greek and russian mixed meriage now?
Lord, Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy ~
Let us pray for the arch jedis to get along
LOL. ok this argh..... They need to stop fighting and put it behind them and practice the gift of forgiveness.love from hawaii
Is this schism over?
Nope, sadly.
@@BibleIllustrated i remember you had another video about the 2018 Moscow-Constantinople schism. did you private it? i can't find it
We are one Faith and Church in Jesus Christ! Satan stand behind me!
Laughed so hard at 2:16
Nice advise!
Can someone explain what happened? I didn't follow this issue from the beginning!
To make a really long story short, the Ecumencal Patriarch gave the thomos of autocephaly (independence and approval) to a schismatic church in Ukraine that broke off from Moscow Patriarchate; this made the Moscow Patriarchate cut ties with the Ecumenical Patriarchate on the grounds that it is meddling with its interior problems.
Dude I love you!! This is perfect and spot on.
Aw, shucks! :D
Very nice
Thank you :-)
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! is this true? is there going to be a schism in the east :( please tell me it's not.
We'll see how it develops, it's nothing major :-)
I never understood the why of the schism. Also the patriarch of Moscow is scary for me.
The ecumenical patriarch looks Popey acting outside his jurisdiction and Russia has issues with Ukraine which look political. It's messy and I'm in no position to judge who is more right or more wrong. I pray for them both.
@@johnathanrhoades7751 So who is the Heretic??...The Russian patriach who advocate Human rights abuse, Violence agains Children in Ukraine War or The Ukrainian Victims??....
I am a Catholic and I am eating popcorn right now....
Is this actually official?
In what sense?
@@BibleIllustrated verovatno da se crkva deli...
Worse scandals have attacked both the Catholic and Orthodox Churches before and yet both have survived, do not fear brothers and sisters! Christ is with us always
I liked this image on Polandball where different ideologies threaten Christianity, and Christianity ending on the pile of those ideologies' graves. :D
Bible Illustrated I know this image it’s really nice, it’s completely true as well, every ideology and nation that stands against the Apostolic Churches always dies and yet Christianity still prevails
It’s almost as if Satan is specifically trying to destroy the two apostolic Churches because they hold some sort of power against him 🤔
My spiritual father would definitely agree with you :-D
Bible Illustrated I love eastern Catholic and Orthodox Priests even though I’m Roman Catholic myself, they’re always so kind and happy
As an Anglo-Catholic, I’d like to show you the advance work Satan has been doing in our communion. Don’t let it get this way... we don’t have as many barriers to modern heresies creeping in as you do, and it’s very painful. Pray for us- we are praying for you!
Како си луд Бојане😀.
Хехе, хвала Роби! :D
The whole Church which is the Body of Christ build on the foundation of the Apostles naming Peter as the chief Archpatriarch or Bishop of the Church. Schism occurred in 1054 because of cultural and political pride and arrogance among the eastern fathers of the Church. When the Christians of the East split from the West and another split occurred within the Eastern churches thus forming the Orthodox church, many of the eastern Christians reunited with the West forming the Roman Catholic Church. The Church cannot be Christian if Jesus is not the corner stone of the Church which is His bride and He the bridegroom. Right now His Holiness Pope Francis is the successor of Simon Peter and Chief Apostle to all the Apostles n
This is reason why you need a supreme pontiff. He could decide one way or another. and then there would be no need for a schism.
Having a supreme pontiff approve of idolatry is a better argument against having a supreme pontiff.
How about the one who is retired? He had nothing to do with that pachamama stuff. He is neutral. He isn't doing anything but praying. What is needed is an independent and fair arbiter that everybody would listen to. I bet if Russia thought it would be for the good of the Church and somehow serve their interest they could convince their patriarch
@Bible Illustrated Well, if he thought that the statue was a statue of Mary, which the person told him so, then there would be no sin, though perhaps imprudence. I mean, the statue was intended by the sculptor to be a statue of "Our Lady of the Amazon", though I think he was rather imprudent in how he made it. It couldn't be idolatry in the first place, cause Catholics don't worship Mary. ;-)
Traditiones Custodines happened
@@BibleIllustrated you might as well throw away DEcember 25, which is PAgan in origin... 😁😁😂😂
Maybe it’s already been said (i didn’t read all the comments) but as a profoundly demoralized Catholic, you not only made me laugh, but you gave profoundly good advice. Thanks for that. As the guy who never shares or cares about anything online, I’m so going to spread this around
Also, I love your videos. I can’t (yet) go full Orthodox bc of the whole Immaculate Conception thing, but you’re a great explainer and propagator of the Word. Fantastic job. Thanks my dear sibling in Christ!
Thank you so much Jeffrey! Glad the videos were of use to you! 😃
It all boils down to a completely different understandings of nature, grace and sin between East and West. Accept the Western definitions and the IC is quite literally everything. Accept the Eastern and it is impossible to even define the IC, though no less honour is given to Our Lady in the East.
Loool odlicna! :D
Hvala ženo! :D
Was the Filioque clause was added by Russian bots?
Could be!
I counted at least 4 different "Roman Catholic" religions, and none of them follow the teachings of the Vicars of Christ; it's all Saints over Christ and the apostles and "personal revelations" that contradict the Catholic faith as it comes from the valid Popes. I thought maybe the Church of Christ exists in the Orthodox, but now I'm finding even the Orthodox are almost as badly divided.
I mean, there's (1) Novus Ordo, (2) Traditional (goes back to 1964, Bergoglio is Pope), (3) The SSPX with is all over the place because Archbishop Lefebvre changed his mind (4)"Traditional Sedes (goes back to before 1958, at least the Tridentine Mass is said over the "Traditional Latin Mass" but they pollute the faith with "personal revelations" that counter the gospel and the teachings of the Vicars of Christ. To be honest, the faith was derailed even in 1958. The Novus Ordo was a long time in the making and didn't just suddenly happen in 1964 with Vatican II! There was a "Liberation Theology" corruption of the faith going back to Karl Marx... )
NO ONE can change the Laws of Moses. Christ the Lord God did NOT change it, the saints can't change it, not even Mary Mother of the Lord can change it.
While I agree with the general sentiment of “nobody goes to hell over a technicality,” it is important to consider that one of the sides has been known to promote inter-religious ecumenism. And in gaining their independence, said breakaway group would probably, in time change Orthodox dogma.
So given the seriousness of this possibility, it could be a matter of salvation in the long term.
I wouldn't be so sure about that - the 'other' side has a papal structure, essentially, so both of them could be prone dogma-changing. :-)
What are they mad about?
Who, the patriarchs?
I don't know. I just know I like a good rivalry. Are they selling team gear?
They might as well...
Roman catholicism is open to receive all of you :)
*friend request rejected*
Been there, done that.
I used to wear the while neck collar in the Latin Church.
Begome Gadolik lololol
Schism > Sex abuse :D
@@BibleIllustrated lol begome trad rad 😄
Odd to find this 3 year old video after the Russian invasion has started, it seems Russia's agression was building up even in the religious sphere, peace to Ukraine and I hope their Orthodox brothers are supporting them
LOL...The common arguments of Eastern ORthodox against Cahtolics have no more effect....Because now, Greeks and Russians will use it against each other...LOL....
I a Catholic will grab my popcorn and enjoy the Schism of Schismatics... =))
I wonder where Jesus is if Orthodoxy is the truth...Is he in Russia or is he in Greeks... LOL
I now realize that you're an absolutely evil and shit person whose sole joy is other people's misery, and I'll give you a chance to apologize for your horrible behavior before I ban you from my channel. :-) Jesus might be with both Russians and Greeks, but based on your behavior, He definitely is not with the Catholics.
Krishyy, if we hoping & praying for the unity of the entire Church, then we shouldn't enjoy seeing more division happening in our time. If we are striving for unity, I don't think it does the Catholic Church any good when the Orthodox are not getting along.
Krishyy Fan there are Catholics going around saying that the conflict gets over soon and trying to be a support to the orthodox.
Then you had to come in and spoil the mood. And give Catholics a bad name too.
Double whammy :/
@Krishy Fan Yo, don't call the Orthodox schismatics or be happy about the Greek-Russian schism! Firstly, I'm pretty sure they're not seen by the Catholic Church as schismatics based on the Code of Canon Law! (But yes they're also not in full communion with Rome, it's complicated) Secondly, even calling those even in schism schismatics does more harm than good with the mission for unity between the Churches. Just look at Bojan's response, your comment has just given a bad impression of the CC! Look to St. JP2 who never called the Orthodox heretics or schismatics, but instead worked for peace, love, and unity. Also, we should never like schism, even in churches not in communion with Rome! Well, unless I guess if that schism is due to a part of a church coming to truth from heresy, which is not happening here! We should always pray for others to recieve the Spirit of Unity, the Holy Spirit. If nothing else, this schism seriously hurts/pauses ecumenical efforts and dialogue between the Catholic and Orthodox Churches. And finally, Jesus is definitely in all who receive the Body and Blood of Christ, which the Catholic, Greek Orthodox, and Russian Orthodox all do! Grace and peace in Christ!
It's shallow. Shows that the author has no clue or worry over what's going on since he isn't from Greece, Ukraine or Russia And of course you should know and worry about what church to remain with. No heretics go to Heaven hence yes, some people do go to hell over technicalities. Devil is in the details. This matter is not to joke or go lightly about IMHO. Agree on the praying part though.
Hm, yeah, I absolutely disagree with everything you've said, except for prayer. :-)
" No heretics go to Heaven hence yes, some people do go to hell over technicalities"....this is objectively untrue and antithetical not only to the Holy Tradition but also the essence of God's omnibenevolence.
Ah, Adam, now we come to the precise reason why I don't believe that 'there are no heretics in heaven.'
Heresy, in absolute majority of cases, is the bishops' fault, not of the laity - and heck, even if the heresy has been around for long enough, it probably isn't even the bishops' fault! So yeah, glad to see all nice Mormon ladies in heaven! :D
Here is what the Catholic Catechism says about this:
Those who, through no fault of their own, do not know the Gospel of Christ or his Church, but who nevertheless seek God with a sincere heart, and, moved by grace, try in their actions to do his will as they know it through the dictates of their conscience - those too may achieve eternal salvation.337
848 "Although in ways known to himself God can lead those who, through no fault of their own, are ignorant of the Gospel, to that faith without which it is impossible to please him, the Church still has the obligation and also the sacred right to evangelize all men."3
www.scborromeo.org/ccc/p123a9p3.htm
Volha Korban what heretics?