"Why is misogyny bad? Is it necessarily good that society is becoming more effeminate?" Misogyny is not a synonym of masculinity. There are ways of being masculine AND being non-misogynist at the same time. In fact that's true masculinity, because the misogynist has usually a very fragile ego which he protects by building this armour of perceived toughness and despise for others.
Towards the end Benjamin is expressing the weird take that we may need some misogyny because he sees uplifting males and hating females as the same thing, when at least in my opinion they're very separate and different. If I eat meat I still don't hate all vegans by default, if I say I like dogs I'm not saying I hate cats, if I praise positive male typical behaviours I'm not bashing on female ones. In many ways these days people need to stop thinking male and female are two opposite ends of a spectrum, rather than 2 separate spectrums that are both different from each other.
I was actually floored when I heard the deranged take that misogyny is needed/should be utilized to uplift men. Misogyny is the hatred and exclusion of women. Like Ben what are you on to suggest that the hatred of women in necessary to affirm men in their masculinity?? Also, school does not favor women. The bar is literally not to act like animals/terrorize teachers and other classmates and you and others are really out here acting like that's too much to ask lol. Boys are also more likely to be diagnosed and receive treatment for conditions like ADHD and autism. Boys just point blank underperform and their aggression isn't just being given a pass anymore. I'm glad Rudy and Ritchie redirected the conversation and brought some sense to it, because holy shit that is a WILD thought to have in your head.
I absolutely refuse to use the phrase "gender-affirming care" in reference to transition treatments. "Affirmation" would be accepting people as they are, and encouraging others to accept THEMSELVES as they are.
This is such an important conversation. So balanced and rationally and well spoken. Rudy, you are sooo right! LGB really needs to gate keep so that they retain the rights and acceptance hard fought and won. Richie, I love your perspective and appreciate how you are helping young people who could be the next “perfect candidate”. I have watched your videos and really appreciate your perspective and you are just so pleasant to watch. Boycie I’ve been watching your channel for awhile and always know you are going to present a positive intelligent conversation.
Lovely Benjamin, misogyny and masculinity is not the same. Healthy masculinity doesn't hate or degrade feminine things, it accepts femininity as it's other half. Healthy masculinity can be strong without forcing undeserved anger on somebody. Healthy masculinity can be protective without turning into a control freak or a stalker. Healthy masculinity can be open and vulnerable without seeming weak. Men need to stand up and have their own emancipation from misogyny. Women did that but because mens emancipation just began, the pendulum is too much on the feminine side and this turned into this men-hating feminine monster who wants all masculinity gone. This is also the reason why so much people right now believe feelings over facts.
Masculinity is absolutely not vulnerable, it is the opposite. I think perhaps what you mean to say is that a well balanced and healthily masculine individual will be sensitive and vulnerable at the appropriate times.
@@soulfuzz368masculinity is actually very vulnerable. men like to submit to authority and be told what to do and are aimless without someone guiding them. this means anyone can swoop in and direct a lost man to do all kinds of horrible things. femininity is about carving your own path and adapting to changes. to me this comes across as much more resilient.
Boyce's "postliberal" suggestion that homophobia might have a biological basis strikes me as ahistorical. What about the Greeks, to name only the most obvious counterexample? Rudy's suggestion that homophobia is rooted in misogyny seems similarly divorced from history. In the 1700s in Britain, it was gay men that were perceived as and maligned as "women-haters". So homophobia is not simply one thing, but a complex of factors, whose justifications vary.
Masculinity is good. Misogyny is bad. Not all masculinity is considered toxic and I do see some of the misandry being walked back…or maybe I’m just projecting my hopes.
I had my fill of sex with lots of men. Both in and out of relationships. Good promiscuous times. Bad promiscuous times. Now 57 and in the first monogamous relationship- like it 👍🏻. Like many aspects of life - the ability to have lots of sex has positive and negative aspects.
Love Rudy & Ritchie so much. Two of my favourites on Twitter. Great to see you all, and great to hear some sane voices amongst all the noise. Keep up the good fight guys. 💪👏❤
Sex is self-promoting because of the reward circuit mechanism it activates, so as Rudy says, neither gay or hetero sex as such needs to be promoted. It is however leveraged all over the place, mainly to market and advertise stuff.
Life is for self perpetuating. Homosexuality is a psychosexual disability incompatible with evolutionary biology. Huuuge rate of psychological illness corbidities (big money spinner for therapists, mind you). It's what autism is to social communication: deserves compassion, but ludicrous to promote as equivalent to normal range.
The idea that "feminism" is about equal treatment under the law has been discarded in trade for "queer theory" just as the idea of "colorblindness" has been discarded in trade for CRT
What an intelligent and refreshing conversation. I’m so hopeful for the future to find young pple who know themselves and even through struggles, cause growing up sucks and is painful, can still think for themselves cause part of growing up is to discover who you are and what you want and not being thrown out of their path for no one and anything. Praise be to God. ( sorry I am Christian I tend to praise God a lot )
Interesting thoughts about homophobia! I think the last time I really pondered homophobia was in my teens. Haven't made the connection between homophobia and misogyny before, so thank you for that, Rudy! All in all a nice conversation, a little lighter than most, which was enjoyable.
1:24:00 YESSSSS!!! That's exactly what I've been saying about Dylan Mulvaney! omg it's driving me insane how people don't see this. He is definitely an industry plant.
I'm getting 70's mafia boss vibes from rudy. Just missing some cocaine and a disco ball.😊 Also, on the issue of bullying there are gay people who WITNESS bullying as children and get seriously damaged. Most people talk about the direct bullying 😢
à la claire fontaine m'en allant promener, j'ai trouvé l'eau si belle que je m'y suis baigné sous la feuille d'un chêne je me suis fait sécher, sur la plus haute branche le rossignol chantait chantes ! rossignol, chantes ! toi qui a le cœur gai… tu as le cœur à rire, moi, je l'ai à pleurer…❤
59:20 I think this is what "normalize the bulge" was. Dylan probably just didn't want to have to prove his transness with surgery. But it would've probably been a good thing for society for people to be told you don't have to get radical surgery to be "trans". On the other hand, it might help if kids knew "trans" used to meant actually being trans- not just getting a new haircut.
A man perceived to be weak or failing to fulfill a male role would present a different issue for social order than an effeminate woman would, especially for people who embrace traditional gender norms (which is probably almost all people who have a problem with homosexuals.)
The most homophobic societies also have the most violent conflicts, may it be violence against the opposition, violence against minority religions or between ethnic groups. Homophobia is not a traditional value, it started at some point and gained importance often for polítical reasons as scapegoats to deflect from problems.
In my experience, as a teacher and parent, it's pretty clear early on, and certainly by mid-adolescence, which individuals are likely to be gay / lesbian. Not 100% accurate, of course. (either way - miss some gays, misidentify others as gay & they're not). But, most parents & and teachers don't raise the conversation first. We'd would be accused (1990s etc) of grooming etc. And still would be. One of my older son's friends was very clearly "gay" at 15 (yr 2000). Nobody said anything to him. Not my son (also 15) or my son's girlfriend (15). By 18, this young man deeply depressed. Still hadn't "come out." I said to my son "talk to him about it". His girlfriend did. They were "besties". He still denied it. By 23, he finally "came out". At the time they were (and still are friends) were sharing a house in Sydney, Australia
@benjaminboyce. I feel the same way about #Pride as I do about #Valentines Day or #St. Patricks Day. But no one seems to complain about celebrating stereotypically heterosexual love and the Irish. I wonder why...?
@@BenjaminABoyce but the Valentines Day and St Paddy’s stuff sits in the shelves for months in advance. Ditto Christmas. The pride parade only happens on the one day in the month of June. Pride is really no different than any other holiday…
1:49:22 August in the UK and the Christmas stuff is entering the shops. And our local autistic charity shop still has a full pride window display. Just combine the 2 festivals and do it year round and have done with it
Boyce seemed to be conflating embracing aspects of traditional gender roles with misogyny, it was like he was accepting a feminist viewpoint to defend misogyny. Seemed pretty awkward. I disagreed with the stuff Rudy said, but I would have challenged it differently.
@@daveldmathey should have pushed back and clarified the distinction between masculinity and misogyny. Assuming there's no inherent misogyny in masculinity.
Interesting that @benjaminboyce posits that homophobia may be innate to the species. There is actually sociobiological research indicating the homosexual men are actually a benefit to societies. It normally appears in families with multiple male children and the homosexual child is then able to help the mother with housekeeping but also has male strength, and can assist the parents when they get older because they don't have families of their own.
Rudy is great. I've seen Ritchie before and he's great too, but I wanted to comment on Rudy because I haven't seen him before. Excellent point about how men who are attracted to homosexual transsexuals are gay or bi, completely agree, they are definitely not straight. That's why it's called sexuality and not genderality, because it's based on sex. I think we should go back to we are men and women, there are three sexualities, gay, bi and straight, and however we express ourselves genderwise or in terms of our sexuality doesn't at all change the fact that we are men and women.
Great point however if I may rebuttal.. those straight or possibly closeted bi men would have to admit to themselves that they actually like men as opposed to justifying it by having sex with homosexual trans women. Not that admitting that to yourself is bad but maybe they would have no outlet to seek a gay experience...maybe?
@@lizicadumitru9683 No, I agree. Transsexuals are definitely some sort of "cover" for those men who clearly have a problem with their sexuality. Admitting that to yourself is great, it's very cleansing, although painful, like with all difficult truths. And you are right, maybe they have no outlet to seek a gay experience, but the point is they are definitely not straight. Like in the case of Ritchie when he was trans, that guy who broke up with him after the bottom surgery.
But? I'm sure homophobia will always be with us, at least until gays are accorded a homonormative state, which will be never. I'm disinclined to laugh off being fired and a ruined reputation. Misogyny runs on a parallel track and not all the time. If we accept subset status we will be subservient to women. This also does not account for female homophobia, which on a personal level I've found more widespread than the male sort, which is more systemic.
Men in women's sports , how could that be a positive for women , a feminist issue ? Come on , the woke ideology is very critical of the nuclear family . Candace Owens is correct about that ...
I could see it being a positive in the long run. I think many women have a very unrealistic model of sex differences because of various current forms of media and this could help shatter the illusion.
Homophobia (a word which i object to) is a feeling akin to what you get when you see a brain outside a skull. For me, at least. This feeling does not make me want to hit or become violent. I just want to avert my gaze. And I can't help it any more than they can help what they feel towards people of the same sex.
And that’s totally fine. What an absolute exquisite way of describing your feelings. As homosexual I get that feeling when I see vagina. Or hetros doing heaving PDA.
If homophobia is just the feeling of me wanting to avert my gaze then I have homophobia AND heterophobia. I don't want to see anybody kissing each other or being too comfortable. Holding hands is fine but openly making out in public is nothing I want to see in my daily life no matter the sexes. It's not even really disgust, it just feels so private and I don't want to be a part of somebody else's private life. This is also the reason why I hate seeing people wearing fetish gear in public.
@@LoudMindedI don’t think this is true. People are not always disgusted by things that are new or strange. There are studies that have shown that many people have a disgust reaction to homosexual kissing, even people who openly accept it. I don’t think this is a learned behaviour
Never be ashamed for who you are, you are valid, seen and deserve to be accepted the same as everyone else. Never change to conform to other’s expectations because your individuality is what makes the world a beautiful place.
@@BenjaminABoyce as a real gay man thanks, everyone needs to know the problem isn't gay/lesbian it's the alphabet mafia, big pharma big tech, tumblr now tiktok and the gender borg I like to call it that.
@@derekb4977 ooo I like alphabet mafia. I been calling them the rainbow mafia because I feel like they stole the rainbow and I have always loved to wear it.
@@NiaLaLa_V anyone who supports the alphabet mafia is going down lol me a real gay man I'm not as kind as JK Rowling I'm way more brutally honest the gender Borg cult.
One reason fro Homophobia it likely the discomfort with the concept of having sex for personal pleasure and not for production. Having sex for pleasure is always discouraged throughout cultures and the only reason heterosexual sex is tolerated is because you can make the excuse that it is for a productive purpose. But Homosexuality cannot be justified for any purpose other than individual pleasure. The real tell will be if we begin making babies in labs and Hetrosexual relationships are no longer required to produce babies if the same intolerance for the sex act between herosexuals will expand. I think we are already seeing it expand because there is also a component of envy, if not everyone can experience pleasure then that will be a push for censorship of all mention of sex for pleasure in order to prevent psychological discomfort and achieve "equity".
It seems like with the majority of people I've interacted with in real life (that are my own age at least, gen x) their views on sex are more influenced by the sexual revolution than they are by traditional attitudes on sex.
I don't know about all that. The Romans were notorious for using herbal contraceptives and even tossing babies to their death because they wanted to have intercourse for pleasure but of course back then intercourse automatically meant pregnant lady, mostly.
Why cannot we have a heteromarriage arragement with kids and have a wonderful work or leisure relationship(s) with same sex? Marriage is an institution for reproduction and other relationships could be for creating something else productive and creative :)
Ritchie and Rudy need their own show where they're buddy cops who solve crimes.
Love it!!!
Miami Vice Trans 😊
I would fully watch that
I would watch
😂that would be epic
"Why is misogyny bad? Is it necessarily good that society is becoming more effeminate?" Misogyny is not a synonym of masculinity. There are ways of being masculine AND being non-misogynist at the same time. In fact that's true masculinity, because the misogynist has usually a very fragile ego which he protects by building this armour of perceived toughness and despise for others.
Absolutely! They are totally separate things. You can be a feminine female misogynist. Misogyny simply means the literal hatred of women.
Actually many fetishes/stereotypes come from misogyny.
Oh I’m so happy to hear Ritchie enjoyed his birthday! He absolutely deserves it!
Towards the end Benjamin is expressing the weird take that we may need some misogyny because he sees uplifting males and hating females as the same thing, when at least in my opinion they're very separate and different. If I eat meat I still don't hate all vegans by default, if I say I like dogs I'm not saying I hate cats, if I praise positive male typical behaviours I'm not bashing on female ones. In many ways these days people need to stop thinking male and female are two opposite ends of a spectrum, rather than 2 separate spectrums that are both different from each other.
I was actually floored when I heard the deranged take that misogyny is needed/should be utilized to uplift men. Misogyny is the hatred and exclusion of women. Like Ben what are you on to suggest that the hatred of women in necessary to affirm men in their masculinity?? Also, school does not favor women. The bar is literally not to act like animals/terrorize teachers and other classmates and you and others are really out here acting like that's too much to ask lol. Boys are also more likely to be diagnosed and receive treatment for conditions like ADHD and autism. Boys just point blank underperform and their aggression isn't just being given a pass anymore. I'm glad Rudy and Ritchie redirected the conversation and brought some sense to it, because holy shit that is a WILD thought to have in your head.
"Why can't we go back to a place where..." Because you can never go back. Ever.
Two fantastic guests. I will checking for Ritchie's book release regularly now! Thanks for another episode full of insight, honesty and openness.
I absolutely refuse to use the phrase "gender-affirming care" in reference to transition treatments. "Affirmation" would be accepting people as they are, and encouraging others to accept THEMSELVES as they are.
Yep
“Sex denial care”
Yes, a more honest and descriptive name for gender treatment is needed.
This is such an important conversation. So balanced and rationally and well spoken. Rudy, you are sooo right! LGB really needs to gate keep so that they retain the rights and acceptance hard fought and won. Richie, I love your perspective and appreciate how you are helping young people who could be the next “perfect candidate”. I have watched your videos and really appreciate your perspective and you are just so pleasant to watch. Boycie I’ve been watching your channel for awhile and always know you are going to present a positive intelligent conversation.
Lovely Benjamin, misogyny and masculinity is not the same. Healthy masculinity doesn't hate or degrade feminine things, it accepts femininity as it's other half. Healthy masculinity can be strong without forcing undeserved anger on somebody. Healthy masculinity can be protective without turning into a control freak or a stalker. Healthy masculinity can be open and vulnerable without seeming weak.
Men need to stand up and have their own emancipation from misogyny. Women did that but because mens emancipation just began, the pendulum is too much on the feminine side and this turned into this men-hating feminine monster who wants all masculinity gone. This is also the reason why so much people right now believe feelings over facts.
Masculinity is absolutely not vulnerable, it is the opposite. I think perhaps what you mean to say is that a well balanced and healthily masculine individual will be sensitive and vulnerable at the appropriate times.
@@soulfuzz368 YES! That's what I wanted to say :) Sorry english is not my first language.
@@opheliasweet4558 that’s okay, your observations are still very insightful. Thank you for sharing.
Yessss
@@soulfuzz368masculinity is actually very vulnerable. men like to submit to authority and be told what to do and are aimless without someone guiding them. this means anyone can swoop in and direct a lost man to do all kinds of horrible things. femininity is about carving your own path and adapting to changes. to me this comes across as much more resilient.
Benjamin asking the right questions again!
Both guests were so lovely and so honest !!
Great chat, a touch disappointed that you changed the subject as soon as Rudy brought up Lesbians being hurt the most right now.
Great points made by Rudy about why homophobiA has at its roots misogyny....x
Very insightful and humorous guests. I love them both.
Ruby AND Ritchie! :D This will be a great calmversation or maybe not so calm both guests are fierce! ❤🔥 (just 11h to go before its posted)
Ritchie is totally inspirational. Also witty and gorgeous! (Amongst many other attributes) Love him!
Boyce's "postliberal" suggestion that homophobia might have a biological basis strikes me as ahistorical. What about the Greeks, to name only the most obvious counterexample? Rudy's suggestion that homophobia is rooted in misogyny seems similarly divorced from history. In the 1700s in Britain, it was gay men that were perceived as and maligned as "women-haters". So homophobia is not simply one thing, but a complex of factors, whose justifications vary.
Nice to hear Rudy speak after following his tweets for a while. Great questions, generous answers. Thanks, guys!
Masculinity is good. Misogyny is bad. Not all masculinity is considered toxic and I do see some of the misandry being walked back…or maybe I’m just projecting my hopes.
I wonder why he said Blaire white isn’t homosexual transsexual cos I’m pretty sure she has said she is in regards to talking about agp
I had my fill of sex with lots of men. Both in and out of relationships. Good promiscuous times. Bad promiscuous times. Now 57 and in the first monogamous relationship- like it 👍🏻. Like many aspects of life - the ability to have lots of sex has positive and negative aspects.
I guess you can say it depends
Love Rudy & Ritchie so much. Two of my favourites on Twitter. Great to see you all, and great to hear some sane voices amongst all the noise.
Keep up the good fight guys. 💪👏❤
Excited!!
Happy Birthday Ritchie!!
Loads of Luv from Wiltshire!
❤️❤️💚💚🌞🌞🌞
Sex is self-promoting because of the reward circuit mechanism it activates, so as Rudy says, neither gay or hetero sex as such needs to be promoted. It is however leveraged all over the place, mainly to market and advertise stuff.
Life is for self perpetuating. Homosexuality is a psychosexual disability incompatible with evolutionary biology. Huuuge rate of psychological illness corbidities (big money spinner for therapists, mind you). It's what autism is to social communication: deserves compassion, but ludicrous to promote as equivalent to normal range.
Rudy is my age. He was brave enough to come out at 15. I wasn't
The idea that "feminism" is about equal treatment under the law has been discarded in trade for "queer theory" just as the idea of "colorblindness" has been discarded in trade for CRT
Happy birthday Ritchie! You're blush so nicely when you are embarrassed. You should do it more ❤️
Sus
Happy Birthday weekend, Ritchie. I hope the weather is as wonderful in England as it is here, in Ireland, this week.
Wonderful conversation. I'm a gay man from saudi arabia and have followed this debate for years. I love listening to richie so much.
Happy birthday Ritchie 🎂
Happy birthday, Ritchie! (Hopefully it's actually his birthday and everyone's not just copying each other in the replies)
What an intelligent and refreshing conversation. I’m so hopeful for the future to find young pple who know themselves and even through struggles, cause growing up sucks and is painful, can still think for themselves cause part of growing up is to discover who you are and what you want and not being thrown out of their path for no one and anything. Praise be to God. ( sorry I am Christian I tend to praise God a lot )
Happy birthday Ritchie! 🎉❤
Ooooh yeh! Rudeee 👌🏽🔥
Fantastic podcast everyone, well done
Brilliant stuff chaps
Behave Ritchie 😂😂😂
I ain't gay but free drugs are free drugs🤷🏽♂️
That doesn't sound very free.
There is always a cost
Wow. The Juxtaposition of the seriousness of the discussion with the ridiculousness of the lawnmower is Amazing!🥴🥴
Interesting thoughts about homophobia! I think the last time I really pondered homophobia was in my teens. Haven't made the connection between homophobia and misogyny before, so thank you for that, Rudy! All in all a nice conversation, a little lighter than most, which was enjoyable.
1:24:00 YESSSSS!!! That's exactly what I've been saying about Dylan Mulvaney! omg it's driving me insane how people don't see this. He is definitely an industry plant.
Benjamin, I sigh a lot like you do. The reason I sigh deep sighs without exertion is vitamin B12 and vitamin B1 deficiencies.
Wow, interesting! I do that too. I don’t have a b12-deficiency. B1 however I don’t know.
@ChristinaChrisR most people do and especially if you've taken any pharma mood enhancers or benzos, they tend to deplete your b1.
@@slippersmomma thanks for the tip!
I'm getting 70's mafia boss vibes from rudy. Just missing some cocaine and a disco ball.😊
Also, on the issue of bullying there are gay people who WITNESS bullying as children and get seriously damaged. Most people talk about the direct bullying 😢
Fun Fact: Gay literally means Happy.
Funner fact: homo is latin for human.
Yes sometime in my lifetime it changed.
@@miroirs-jumeaux Yes and fetus is Latin for little person.
Funnest Fact: Boyce means Forest
Well, in common usage it USED to mean that.
Wish it still did.
Really loved this frank conversation with Rudy and Ritchie.
Soooo gay! Great chat gents 👍
Important conversation!
Yes , happy birthday Ritchie ! I just love Benjamin too , thus we have three interesting people . Yes Rudy and Ritchie are very cool ...
à la claire fontaine m'en allant promener, j'ai trouvé l'eau si belle que je m'y suis baigné
sous la feuille d'un chêne je me suis fait sécher, sur la plus haute branche le rossignol chantait
chantes ! rossignol, chantes ! toi qui a le cœur gai… tu as le cœur à rire, moi, je l'ai à pleurer…❤
How poetic!
59:20 I think this is what "normalize the bulge" was. Dylan probably just didn't want to have to prove his transness with surgery.
But it would've probably been a good thing for society for people to be told you don't have to get radical surgery to be "trans".
On the other hand, it might help if kids knew "trans" used to meant actually being trans- not just getting a new haircut.
Rudy is right about misogyny but in the west we are much less misogynistic than anywhere else but yes we still have the problem , but much less ...
A man perceived to be weak or failing to fulfill a male role would present a different issue for social order than an effeminate woman would, especially for people who embrace traditional gender norms (which is probably almost all people who have a problem with homosexuals.)
Wow Rudy is very smart, I came here for Ritchie, but Rudy is cool
Yea he us! Loving his 70s look 😂❤
The most homophobic societies also have the most violent conflicts, may it be violence against the opposition, violence against minority religions or between ethnic groups. Homophobia is not a traditional value, it started at some point and gained importance often for polítical reasons as scapegoats to deflect from problems.
Happy birthday Ritchie ❤❤❤
WHOOPI GITTY
Makes me so angry how they prey on vulnerable people.
In my experience, as a teacher and parent, it's pretty clear early on, and certainly by mid-adolescence, which individuals are likely to be gay / lesbian. Not 100% accurate, of course. (either way - miss some gays, misidentify others as gay & they're not). But, most parents & and teachers don't raise the conversation first. We'd would be accused (1990s etc) of grooming etc. And still would be. One of my older son's friends was very clearly "gay" at 15 (yr 2000). Nobody said anything to him. Not my son (also 15) or my son's girlfriend (15). By 18, this young man deeply depressed. Still hadn't "come out." I said to my son "talk to him about it". His girlfriend did. They were "besties". He still denied it. By 23, he finally "came out". At the time they were (and still are friends) were sharing a house in Sydney, Australia
I agree with Ritchie's thoughts about Dylan Mulvaney!
@benjaminboyce. I feel the same way about #Pride as I do about #Valentines Day or #St. Patricks Day. But no one seems to complain about celebrating stereotypically heterosexual love and the Irish. I wonder why...?
Because those two holidays aren’t a month long, for starters.
@@BenjaminABoyce but the Valentines Day and St Paddy’s stuff sits in the shelves for months in advance. Ditto Christmas. The pride parade only happens on the one day in the month of June. Pride is really no different than any other holiday…
1:49:22 August in the UK and the Christmas stuff is entering the shops. And our local autistic charity shop still has a full pride window display. Just combine the 2 festivals and do it year round and have done with it
1:04:10 Dangit! Wanted to hear Ritchie's sexist view! 😂❤
Rudy is based AF!! ❤
I love Richie
We all love Ritchie 😏
The video Ritchie is talking about at 29:30 is by Alexander L "My Detransition Story: The dark truth behind gender dysphoria and transition regret"
thanks, was hoping someone would know
1:40:30 thanks for giving the pushback Benjamin it was quite high time...
Boyce seemed to be conflating embracing aspects of traditional gender roles with misogyny, it was like he was accepting a feminist viewpoint to defend misogyny. Seemed pretty awkward. I disagreed with the stuff Rudy said, but I would have challenged it differently.
@@daveldma Yeah. to me this part of the conversation sounded more like his guests have a little bit of internalized heterophobia :)
@@daveldmathey should have pushed back and clarified the distinction between masculinity and misogyny. Assuming there's no inherent misogyny in masculinity.
Interesting that @benjaminboyce posits that homophobia may be innate to the species. There is actually sociobiological research indicating the homosexual men are actually a benefit to societies. It normally appears in families with multiple male children and the homosexual child is then able to help the mother with housekeeping but also has male strength, and can assist the parents when they get older because they don't have families of their own.
If that social biological idea is right then why even out of Ritchie's mouth, thinking that having sex with another man is "icky?"
Did they find post menopausal woman attractive? ....if a guy tries to change his sex that is the best a guy becoming a "woman?" could be ......well?
Rudy is great. I've seen Ritchie before and he's great too, but I wanted to comment on Rudy because I haven't seen him before. Excellent point about how men who are attracted to homosexual transsexuals are gay or bi, completely agree, they are definitely not straight. That's why it's called sexuality and not genderality, because it's based on sex. I think we should go back to we are men and women, there are three sexualities, gay, bi and straight, and however we express ourselves genderwise or in terms of our sexuality doesn't at all change the fact that we are men and women.
Great point however if I may rebuttal.. those straight or possibly closeted bi men would have to admit to themselves that they actually like men as opposed to justifying it by having sex with homosexual trans women.
Not that admitting that to yourself is bad but maybe they would have no outlet to seek a gay experience...maybe?
@@lizicadumitru9683 No, I agree. Transsexuals are definitely some sort of "cover" for those men who clearly have a problem with their sexuality. Admitting that to yourself is great, it's very cleansing, although painful, like with all difficult truths. And you are right, maybe they have no outlet to seek a gay experience, but the point is they are definitely not straight. Like in the case of Ritchie when he was trans, that guy who broke up with him after the bottom surgery.
But?
I'm sure homophobia will always be with us, at least until gays are accorded a homonormative state, which will be never. I'm disinclined to laugh off being fired and a ruined reputation.
Misogyny runs on a parallel track and not all the time. If we accept subset status we will be subservient to women. This also does not account for female homophobia, which on a personal level I've found more widespread than the male sort, which is more systemic.
~1:15:00-1:25:00 for my own reference re: SSRIs and other drug effects.
Men in women's sports , how could that be a positive for women , a feminist issue ? Come on , the woke ideology is very critical of the nuclear family . Candace Owens is correct about that ...
Woke ideology is probably critical of the nuclear family but most gays and lesbians just want to have a happy life with their own little family.
I could see it being a positive in the long run. I think many women have a very unrealistic model of sex differences because of various current forms of media and this could help shatter the illusion.
I'd say they're critical of the gender roles and gender stereotypes of a nuclear family.
Homophobia (a word which i object to) is a feeling akin to what you get when you see a brain outside a skull. For me, at least. This feeling does not make me want to hit or become violent. I just want to avert my gaze.
And I can't help it any more than they can help what they feel towards people of the same sex.
And that’s totally fine. What an absolute exquisite way of describing your feelings. As homosexual I get that feeling when I see vagina. Or hetros doing heaving PDA.
If homophobia is just the feeling of me wanting to avert my gaze then I have homophobia AND heterophobia. I don't want to see anybody kissing each other or being too comfortable. Holding hands is fine but openly making out in public is nothing I want to see in my daily life no matter the sexes. It's not even really disgust, it just feels so private and I don't want to be a part of somebody else's private life. This is also the reason why I hate seeing people wearing fetish gear in public.
No one is born homophobic though, if you had parents of the same sex it wouldn't be unusual to you, and at the same time you'd still be heterosexual.
@@LoudMindedI don’t think this is true. People are not always disgusted by things that are new or strange. There are studies that have shown that many people have a disgust reaction to homosexual kissing, even people who openly accept it. I don’t think this is a learned behaviour
Never be ashamed for who you are, you are valid, seen and deserve to be accepted the same as everyone else. Never change to conform to other’s expectations because your individuality is what makes the world a beautiful place.
Is there misogyny inherent in masculinity?
Atleast you notified me in the thumbnail, so I know to avoid this episode. Thank you for the heads up.!
I'm truthful when I can be!
@@BenjaminABoyce as a real gay man thanks, everyone needs to know the problem isn't gay/lesbian it's the alphabet mafia, big pharma big tech, tumblr now tiktok and the gender borg I like to call it that.
@@derekb4977 ooo I like alphabet mafia. I been calling them the rainbow mafia because I feel like they stole the rainbow and I have always loved to wear it.
@@derekb4977 "gender addled grievance gerbils" as the jester calls them!
@@NiaLaLa_V anyone who supports the alphabet mafia is going down lol me a real gay man I'm not as kind as JK Rowling I'm way more brutally honest the gender Borg cult.
One reason fro Homophobia it likely the discomfort with the concept of having sex for personal pleasure and not for production. Having sex for pleasure is always discouraged throughout cultures and the only reason heterosexual sex is tolerated is because you can make the excuse that it is for a productive purpose. But Homosexuality cannot be justified for any purpose other than individual pleasure. The real tell will be if we begin making babies in labs and Hetrosexual relationships are no longer required to produce babies if the same intolerance for the sex act between herosexuals will expand. I think we are already seeing it expand because there is also a component of envy, if not everyone can experience pleasure then that will be a push for censorship of all mention of sex for pleasure in order to prevent psychological discomfort and achieve "equity".
It seems like with the majority of people I've interacted with in real life (that are my own age at least, gen x) their views on sex are more influenced by the sexual revolution than they are by traditional attitudes on sex.
I don't know about all that. The Romans were notorious for using herbal contraceptives and even tossing babies to their death because they wanted to have intercourse for pleasure but of course back then intercourse automatically meant pregnant lady, mostly.
36! wow you are very youthful in appearance. I mean that in a positive way
I’m 46, actually.
1:30:50 3rd/4rth wave feminism is the dominant wave in the US though.
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Whoever you are or think you are, please don't say "impor'ant" with that transatlantic glottal stop affectation. It's awful!
Why do you censor bad words in your streams?
Because it’s funny and because I don’t want my videos de-boosted by the Almighty Algorithm
@@BenjaminABoyce censoring is not funny and algorithm is not an answer
@@AEIOUY234689 he didn't censor the "c" word!
What makes a word "bad"?
@@Gingerblaze ... TH-cam!
Homosexuality isn't a threat. Normalizing it as just another part of a healthy society is. Doing so is what brought us to where we are now.
How can normalizing something that isn't a threat be a threat itself?
Why cannot we have a heteromarriage arragement with kids and have a wonderful work or leisure relationship(s) with same sex? Marriage is an institution for reproduction and other relationships could be for creating something else productive and creative :)
Ritchie recommends a detransitioner's video at around 30 mins. Did he give you the link, @BenjaminABoyce? Can you share it?
It's AlexanderL here on youtube
happy birthday richie x
loved this
Wôk.
Thanks all of you!!! I really enjoyed this conversation! Greetings from Finland.
Stellar convo 💪💪
Great interview..props to Rudy and Ritchie..smart and engaging
Thoroughly enjoyed this. Thank you very much Benjamin, Ritchie and Ruby.
So true about homophobia and misogyny.