With the exception of Lem’s death, this was the other most painful scene to watch. Ronnie wasn’t blameless, but he wasn’t the big fish that deserved to be fried.
@@Hatz127Yeah, there had to be someone to pay for Vic’s crimes, even if they couldn’t make him do so. Ronnie was the last of them. And HIM they could get.
This bit was really good; I enjoyed how the roles of Dutch and Vic have changed. Vic always teased and bullied Dutch, but at the end Dutch and the station are looking down on him - they all knew what apiece of shit he was, and Vic knows it too, he's fallen, he's the small one now. His lie has been exposed - and Ronnie refusing to go down, even though they did the same thing to so many others. This series really was fkn amazing, hard to rewatch though.
@@willia3r as a 48-year-old black guy who grew up in 90s Los Angeles and had to deal with these crash cops before, yes I do. More than you know. Tell me, have you ever seen a cop with your own eyes toss a loaded handgun on street corner at 2 AM knowing that's where buses for the school would be in the morning? Have you ever caught a fake reckless driving charge because these crash cops lied on you when you were 18 years old? I know all about these guys. I know they got away with it and they were protected and it was ingrained in the system. Not even the worst of the worst got caught. Only the idiots. the very worst ones got promoted and are still there 30 years later. I lived through this.
@@ibrahimabdi5812 I don't think you know cops very well. They would've never considered him one of their own if he was really going undercover to destroy other cops. This is a big gang. y'all have no idea how corrupt LAPD is.
She knew she couldn't take him, but knew she could have him watch as they took down Ronnie. This is what Dutch tried to get across to her. Vic having to realize that he corrupted Shane to the point where it landed here, was brutal. Ronnie went down for what he just went along with. Vic got what he wanted and in the end, he ended up with nothing. His family left him and he probably won't ever see them again. His agreement has him bound to a desk pushing papers.
@TheSchaef47 The more and more I think about this and I think the very end confirms it... When it came to the team, Lem is who Vic cared the most about. When he unpacks his new desk aside from his family, it's the picture of him and Lem together that he has there. Once Lem died, Vic was done. He wanted to kill whoever put Lem in the ground and then he was gonna find a way to get gone. His family being gone hurt but yeah.
@LenGott8345 Lem was the beating heart of that team. They all had their part in what they did. But one can argue that what happened to him was the worst of it. What is for certain is that he deserved it the least.
Ronnie wasn't clean, but he was arguably the least dirty of the bunch (other than Tavon I guess). But someone had to pay the price and he was the only one left that the police could still get their hands on after Vic bought his own freedom.
Very "theatrical" of Claudette to wait to arrest Ronnie in front of Vic for maximum impact...surely a dangerous criminal like Ronald Everett Gardocki, would require immediate arrest upon entering the barn!
Yeah this poor Ronnie mindset some people have is hilarious. He was corrupt, he murders a guy in the final season, armed robbery, and knowingly covering up a murder for Vic and Shane multiple times over. Ronnie deserved everything he got. I just adore this show so much. Just got done rewatching the whole series over the past few months. It's just so good and the quality of the series never dips. I thought the final season and season 5 were the best. They were just so intense and lems murder was truly one of the most shocking character deaths in TV history. I mean you knew when Shane met with Lem what was going to happen but it just felt like there was no way after all Lem had went through to save Shane. I love how Ronnie evolved from just being the guy on the team that we kind of forget about to being such a big piece of the puzzle in the final season. Dutch and Claudette were always so great together and chikless just couldn't have nailed his performance any better. Vic had two sides. One side he would do anything to protect his family and his team but was also poison to everyone he interacted with. His family had to go into hiding. Shane and Lem end up dead, Crowley dead, Ronnie in prison and likely getting killed in there, mara dead, dealers and gangbangers he worked with dead, connie dead. Kavenaugh in prison. Vic didn't personally ruin all their lives, when you play in that world shit will happen but still if you were linked to Vic either working with him or against him, things didn't well.
Ronnie is going to jail, and pay the consequences of his team's abuse of power, by facing all the violent criminals they arrested. Consequences, end of story.
Middle of a Police station, not the best place to be screaming about how he was going to run away. That kind of thing would annoy the heck out of his Lawyer when it comes time to defend him in court.
This is how it always works. The driver in the car that never touched the “weapon” goes down for all the bodies he never saw fall. Yet the architect and trigger man gets off Scott free. You’d think they would ever learn.
What's funny is that this show and the show SWAT takes place in the Same fictional universe and he plays a character on that show and there also is a episode where a Character from the shield shows up
No honour among thieves or in their case career criminals! Ronnie was stupid for thinking he was going to walk away free for all the crimes he committed all the while following Vic.
To be fair, Vic did come close to securing him a deal. And given that Vic was the mastermind behind 95% of their shit, he probably thought the cops would approach him first.
@@el34glo59 and in the end here he'll be spending the rest of his life in prison. He could have avoided that had he not chosen to follow the lead of a dirty cop and become one himself!
@@madgavin7568 he strangled a cat. I know the rest of the series is higher stakes than a stray cat, but if you knew someone who did that, you'd be like, hey, that dude's a scumbag.
@@disposableincome He kills the stray cat that prevents him from sleeping to understand what the killer wanted to explain to him when he spoke of this internal feeling that one feels when one kills someone. Dutch spends his time studying violent crimes and trying to put himself in the shoes of a killer (a principle of behavioral science). He is frustrated by his interview with the killer who makes him understand that he cannot help him and that he is not like him. Dutch is confused and is really trying to understand what this feeling was that the killer was telling him about. By killing the cat, he seeks to find and feel this feeling that the killer told him about. Clearly, this type of series is much too intelligent for the average viewer, completely formatted, there is nothing to be done.
This scene still makes me wanna cry years later. Vic should have let Beltran’s guys kill Ronnie during the ride on the cartel wearhouse rather than let him go to jail betrayed like that.
Somebody help me out here...... I thought only Shane and Vic knew about Terry's death? Ronnie didn't even know that Vic killed him? So why did they say he helped cover it up?
@ROTE_BALL really? I can't believe I don't remember that... how was Ronnie's response? Was he pissed? I remember when Kavanaugh brought it up to Lem for the first time and Lem was legit pissed and couldn't believe it. I just recently started watching this again all these years later and after rewatching the first episode again I can't believe how YOUNG Terry really was. Vic was a real vile bastard. Terry was just a kid basically.
@@ppiorkowski1502 somewhere in season 7 ronnie told vic that him killing terry was reasonable and he agree that it had to be done. He was pissed that he didn't knew about that earlier and Vic didn't trust him so much as shane. So he just proved his loyalty to vic.
One of the best cop shows of all time with one of the fucking worst endings. Lem... Dead... Shane... Dead... Ronnie goes down for everything, and Vic leaves in disgrace. BS ending.
I gotta say, "THE LAST THREE YEARS" is a great comeback.
"Fine, first payment is due now.." One of the coldest lines ever.
In the context of this scene, it really is. She gives him first second and third.
Naw bro the coldest line was "you can go now"
💯
The second coldest line: "You can go now"
I love how Ronnie was always quiet and in control throughout the series then in his final moments he just explodes with anger justifyably so
"Fine, first payment's due now" Epic line.
With the exception of Lem’s death, this was the other most painful scene to watch. Ronnie wasn’t blameless, but he wasn’t the big fish that deserved to be fried.
He was a fall guy went along with everything but didnt plan anything
@@Hatz127Yeah, there had to be someone to pay for Vic’s crimes, even if they couldn’t make him do so. Ronnie was the last of them. And HIM they could get.
Its amazing that from the start of the series until the end was only 3 years, the strike team did so much in that time
Really was an effective unit, they should look into starting it back up.
This bit was really good; I enjoyed how the roles of Dutch and Vic have changed. Vic always teased and bullied Dutch, but at the end Dutch and the station are looking down on him - they all knew what apiece of shit he was, and Vic knows it too, he's fallen, he's the small one now. His lie has been exposed - and Ronnie refusing to go down, even though they did the same thing to so many others.
This series really was fkn amazing, hard to rewatch though.
All those officers used to hate Dutch and loved vic. It's a sad reality of the consequences of blind trust.
in the REAL world, they still would love Vic and would have protected him AND Ronnie.
@@cwdobynot after they find out he killed one of their own😅
@@cwdoby You realize this show was influenced by LAPD's RAMPART scandal, right?
@@willia3r as a 48-year-old black guy who grew up in 90s Los Angeles and had to deal with these crash cops before, yes I do. More than you know. Tell me, have you ever seen a cop with your own eyes toss a loaded handgun on street corner at 2 AM knowing that's where buses for the school would be in the morning? Have you ever caught a fake reckless driving charge because these crash cops lied on you when you were 18 years old? I know all about these guys. I know they got away with it and they were protected and it was ingrained in the system. Not even the worst of the worst got caught. Only the idiots. the very worst ones got promoted and are still there 30 years later. I lived through this.
@@ibrahimabdi5812 I don't think you know cops very well. They would've never considered him one of their own if he was really going undercover to destroy other cops. This is a big gang. y'all have no idea how corrupt LAPD is.
She knew she couldn't take him, but knew she could have him watch as they took down Ronnie. This is what Dutch tried to get across to her.
Vic having to realize that he corrupted Shane to the point where it landed here, was brutal. Ronnie went down for what he just went along with. Vic got what he wanted and in the end, he ended up with nothing.
His family left him and he probably won't ever see them again. His agreement has him bound to a desk pushing papers.
According to Sons of Anarchy he became an OTR truck driver
Incredible acting, half of this scene Vic says nothing but he conveys everything with his face. And all the dialog is golden.
“Not you though…”
Vic Mackey got everything he ever wanted. And all it cost him was everything he ever cared about.
@TheSchaef47 The more and more I think about this and I think the very end confirms it...
When it came to the team, Lem is who Vic cared the most about. When he unpacks his new desk aside from his family, it's the picture of him and Lem together that he has there. Once Lem died, Vic was done. He wanted to kill whoever put Lem in the ground and then he was gonna find a way to get gone. His family being gone hurt but yeah.
@LenGott8345 Lem was the beating heart of that team. They all had their part in what they did. But one can argue that what happened to him was the worst of it. What is for certain is that he deserved it the least.
Great acting here, absolutely top-notch
*Lem watching from the afterlife* :"Ronnie! Im so sorry man!! 😢😭 I didn't want to believe it!"
I think Ronnie looks like Charlie Day.
Vic "S"ed him in his "A" and got "C" and "J" all over his "B"s! 😂
I like how Claudette just rubs it in his face on how he ruined a lot of people's lives. Including his friends.
Ronnie only issue was he was loyal to the wrong person
Ronnie was a soldier. Cost him big time tho
Ronnie was a scum bag just like Vic. Screwed by Vic at the end not, he deserved getting dragged away in cuffs.
Dutch Boy wasn’t so innocent either… Dude freaking killed a cat
Ahahah funny shit!
😂😂
Ronnie wasn't clean, but he was arguably the least dirty of the bunch (other than Tavon I guess). But someone had to pay the price and he was the only one left that the police could still get their hands on after Vic bought his own freedom.
Lem was the least dirty.
Very "theatrical" of Claudette to wait to arrest Ronnie in front of Vic for maximum impact...surely a dangerous criminal like Ronald Everett Gardocki, would require immediate arrest upon entering the barn!
You can go now.
Ronnie had plenty of chances to get away from this situation in the end his fate is a sad tell of being a follower
To be fair... they were Ronnie's crimes too. 😅
Yeah this poor Ronnie mindset some people have is hilarious. He was corrupt, he murders a guy in the final season, armed robbery, and knowingly covering up a murder for Vic and Shane multiple times over. Ronnie deserved everything he got.
I just adore this show so much. Just got done rewatching the whole series over the past few months. It's just so good and the quality of the series never dips. I thought the final season and season 5 were the best. They were just so intense and lems murder was truly one of the most shocking character deaths in TV history. I mean you knew when Shane met with Lem what was going to happen but it just felt like there was no way after all Lem had went through to save Shane. I love how Ronnie evolved from just being the guy on the team that we kind of forget about to being such a big piece of the puzzle in the final season. Dutch and Claudette were always so great together and chikless just couldn't have nailed his performance any better. Vic had two sides. One side he would do anything to protect his family and his team but was also poison to everyone he interacted with. His family had to go into hiding. Shane and Lem end up dead, Crowley dead, Ronnie in prison and likely getting killed in there, mara dead, dealers and gangbangers he worked with dead, connie dead. Kavenaugh in prison. Vic didn't personally ruin all their lives, when you play in that world shit will happen but still if you were linked to Vic either working with him or against him, things didn't well.
A lawyer would argue getting that stove burner to the face caused Ronnie's PTSD and he's not responsible.
I always wondered if Ronnie somehow got some form of revenge.
Ronnie is going to jail, and pay the consequences of his team's abuse of power, by facing all the violent criminals they arrested.
Consequences, end of story.
Ronnie will probably die in prison especially if it is the same prison that Antwon is running.
Middle of a Police station, not the best place to be screaming about how he was going to run away. That kind of thing would annoy the heck out of his Lawyer when it comes time to defend him in court.
Sucks to be Ronnie....
That was messed up
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This is how it always works. The driver in the car that never touched the “weapon” goes down for all the bodies he never saw fall. Yet the architect and trigger man gets off Scott free. You’d think they would ever learn.
To this day, since my first time seeing this episode when it premiered, I wonder what prison life is like for Ronnie in this fictional universe.
What's funny is that this show and the show SWAT takes place in the Same fictional universe and he plays a character on that show and there also is a episode where a Character from the shield shows up
@@suddendepact9899 Really? Do you know the episodes the shield guys appear in? I would LOVE to see that!
@@99lanterns Season 2, Episode 22
@99lanterns and Season 4, Episode 17
@@suddendepact9899 thank you SOO much!
Vic has what’s coming to him.
No honour among thieves or in their case career criminals! Ronnie was stupid for thinking he was going to walk away free for all the crimes he committed all the while following Vic.
To be fair, Vic did come close to securing him a deal. And given that Vic was the mastermind behind 95% of their shit, he probably thought the cops would approach him first.
He wasn't stupid at all. Vic almost had the deal and got one himself ffs
@@el34glo59 and in the end here he'll be spending the rest of his life in prison. He could have avoided that had he not chosen to follow the lead of a dirty cop and become one himself!
It wouldn’t be surprised if Ronnie ends up in the same prison as Antwon.
Always felt bad for Ronnie. Obviously he wasn't clean but still. Also Dutch, a scumbag in his own right, always being high and mighty.
Explain to us how Dutch is a "scumbag" who deserves worse consequences than Ronnie.
Dutch can be smug and arrogant, but scumbag? Dude Vic is the scumbag here.
@@madgavin7568 he strangled a cat. I know the rest of the series is higher stakes than a stray cat, but if you knew someone who did that, you'd be like, hey, that dude's a scumbag.
Agreed. Dutch was scummy af
@@disposableincome He kills the stray cat that prevents him from sleeping to understand what the killer wanted to explain to him when he spoke of this internal feeling that one feels when one kills someone. Dutch spends his time studying violent crimes and trying to put himself in the shoes of a killer (a principle of behavioral science). He is frustrated by his interview with the killer who makes him understand that he cannot help him and that he is not like him. Dutch is confused and is really trying to understand what this feeling was that the killer was telling him about. By killing the cat, he seeks to find and feel this feeling that the killer told him about.
Clearly, this type of series is much too intelligent for the average viewer, completely formatted, there is nothing to be done.
ronnie's biggest mistake was not thinking about his future. As soon as the strike team disbanded, he should have signed confession and secure himself.
This scene still makes me wanna cry years later. Vic should have let Beltran’s guys kill Ronnie during the ride on the cartel wearhouse rather than let him go to jail betrayed like that.
Agreed. It's like he couldn't believe it was happening
I liked ronnie the best kinda quiet like
The original breaking bad. You wanted the villain to win.
if they can prove anything. Ronnie was good at covering up his actions
Vic’s testimony would be incredibly compelling and hard to counter, I think.
Somebody help me out here...... I thought only Shane and Vic knew about Terry's death? Ronnie didn't even know that Vic killed him? So why did they say he helped cover it up?
Shane told Ronnie about Terry in season 6
@ROTE_BALL really? I can't believe I don't remember that... how was Ronnie's response? Was he pissed? I remember when Kavanaugh brought it up to Lem for the first time and Lem was legit pissed and couldn't believe it. I just recently started watching this again all these years later and after rewatching the first episode again I can't believe how YOUNG Terry really was. Vic was a real vile bastard. Terry was just a kid basically.
@@ppiorkowski1502 somewhere in season 7 ronnie told vic that him killing terry was reasonable and he agree that it had to be done. He was pissed that he didn't knew about that earlier and Vic didn't trust him so much as shane. So he just proved his loyalty to vic.
Vic can devote more time to fighting climate change!
I understand being mad at Vic, but Ronnie should definitely look in the mirror if he wants someone to blame
One of the best cop shows of all time with one of the fucking worst endings. Lem... Dead... Shane... Dead... Ronnie goes down for everything, and Vic leaves in disgrace. BS ending.
Literally the best ending in history