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Who wouldve thought that the barcode would be the hero of the story.
Exactly right
Yeah sure, playing against a cheesy protos, who would have think
The best part of this series is listening to PiG mine the depths of his imagination in an attempt to model the states of mind that produce such superficially vitriolic salt.
He lets them know who they are
lol, well put
I'm German and positively surprised by how well he translated the first sentence :D
Google translate says it is "well you little ass fucker". Is google correct?
He didn't translate it dude. Du meintest wohl, wie gut er es ausgersprochen hat 'pronounced' wäre das Englische Wort dafür ^^
I am German and ashamed to admit that we have some of these 'treasures' like this individual in our gaming community, mostly playing WoT but it seems SC2 too.
@@domeplsffs 0:46
@@4utoxicevery group has people like this. I wouldn’t feel bad about it.
0:28 Less then half a minute and the salt already flows, that's gotta be a new record for this series.
Pig, unfortunately, the people who rage like that are exactly the people who wouldn't be able to express what's going on in their head and with their emotions. Self-reflection is hard.
Some people who rage do express what's going on in their heads. It's called "projecting." 😁
You’re plain wrong. I’m eloquent, introspective, and expressive, and I love to rage on SC2
Self-reporting porn habits is easy.
@@jkkim6928 sure buddy, mr eloquence lmao
@@jkkim6928 No one believes you. If you had any self respect or introspection you wouldn't reactively plunge into a rage whenever your ego gets hurt.
When PiG's demeanor breaks and he can't even try to come up with a joke about it, is when you know shit has gotten very, very real. 18:57
24:50 I used to be a pretty toxic player back in the day. Especially after hitting diamondfor the first time years ago, I had put a lot of time and energy into the game. Back then StarCraft was really the only thing that brought me joy. I was severely depressed and insecure (even suicidal for a long time), so when I would lose, I'd sometimes take it out on my opponent. Thankfully I never typed any of the more deranged things seem here, I'd mostly just type "gtfo noob" if I was winning or "op race" instead of a gg, and the occasional swearing. I think all of that stemmed from the fact that almost all my self-worth was derived from being "good" at sc2.
Today I am in a much better state of mind and thankfully stopped with the toxicity. I don't believe the people who toxic do it because they are bad people. I'd like to think that when I am being flamed, the other person is just unloading his frustrations in the only way he knows how or in the only way that's available to them. When all your self worth is tied to a victory screen, it's difficult to not get angry when the other person outplays you.
Nope they are bad people, and so were you. Objectively lol. Depression doesn't give you a free pass to be a bad person. It's good that you're not that way anymore, but these people are 100% not real humans that deserve rights or compassion and you were one of them.
This series is definitely #2 after the Florencio files.... but it's still amazing. Great idea PiG!
No way, Diamond in the Ruff is #2.
@@Vaasref no... it definitely isn't.
every competitive game needs a salt mine series. excellent work, PiG
Well, this episode did not disappoint =D edit: ok that ending tho. These people need help
Of an undertaker.
I love it how PiG also rates the players trash talks thats a bonus for every episode.
Regarding game 1: 'Na?' means 'Well?' or 'Well then?' So that first sentence would read 'Well then you little [we all know what he wrote there]'
And 'Hure' is a woman working in the oldest trade.
In general I think WhiteRa was on to something, especially with 'more gg, more skill'.
Thanks for the entertainment while I'm stuck in bed not feeling well
Hope you get better soon, thanks for watching mate
I'm watching salt mines while sick in bed too
i love imagining these people are the generals of an army.
that dude leviathan sitting in his command tent as he loses everything "hahahahaha idiot" then shoots himself in the head
Came back to rewatch this classic salt mines and I'm walking away with a new perspective on bm sc2 players.
Opponent takes natural "Greedy expansion"
*Immediately starts 2 expansions at the same time while losing*
I thought you would run out of original content after a few episodes but it seems like the well of human salt creativity is endless
when all the water in the oceans hath dried up, you shall know, only the salt remaineth.
Mensk and Amon aren’t the villains of sc2 , rangers who get angry are
Ooo that parting shot at Leviathan by Pig was.. *chefs kiss* glorious!
Those last one's in the second game were beyond salt.
I wish i was good enough at the game to harvest such levels of salt. I remember one game, it was a 4v4 and our team got rolled, but I was zerg and i kept a handful of drones roaming around, keeping out of sight and i would spawn a Hachery just long enough to reset the "show all units" timer the enemy team couldn't' find me, then kept looking for flying CCs in the corner or whatever. I made this drag on for over 20mins before they started just leaving, so i won the match while totally losing, and my team was just dying in chat at the ridiculousness of it. Even then, I didn't even get all that much salt from the enemy, just annoyance and frustration.
I had another match were all i had left were infestors, back when they still made infested marines and the map was totally mined out and i just slowly wittled the enemy down with my .. 4-5 infestors until i won... even though i lost almost everything at that point... still not any significant salt...
Thanks for the content, my fellow Underhuman
Thanks third category family
As a german, the First Message really caught me offguard, i laughed so hard i almost choked on my mashed potatoes and had to replay to laugh again😂
the opponent forgetting the word subhuman is so funny
can confirm sub under KEK
Omg i didn’t even put that together I was just thinking of the word troglodyte lmao
First game's German is definitely neck deep in Schultenbräu
That was hilarious, I was listening to this in the grocery store with ear buds laughing like pycho lol 😂
Got a weird rage story:
So I am in versus ai waiting for buddies.
Get a match.
Match starts
I typ GlHf.
Nothing.
Then he typs the same.
Followed by my bad, I'm new.
Me: Np
Then he almost exactly does what Pig discribes as 1 of the terran tactics, and on time as well.
Marines, some marauders, medivacs and a few sieges.
All good it seems.
Then it happens, all of a sudden he starts cursing.
But not at me, AT HIMSELF.
WHY?
Cuz he fucks up his buildorder.
He wanted to stay bio but made the we rong buildings 2 armory a third starport.
So he's going full meltdown.
I try to calm his ass down.
And tell him that:
1: It's vs ai so your trying new tactics or just training for ladder.
2: You have me your teammate to help you if you fuck up.
And 3: THIS IS OUR FIRST MATCH, WERE VS VERY EASY AI.
He didn't say anything the whole match anymore and haven't seen him since.
So TeoJ-something if ya see this I hope yout doing great on ladder 🤣.
I have seen guys go with F or shit if they fuck up, but never a full meltdown at something as small as build order and then going full tilt at themselfs.
SC2 man shits wild.
SC2 feels incredibly bad to mess up at. I feel your friend man.
It's part of the reason I don't ladder in any of the games I play and a big part of the reason I've never been able to play SC2. I get way too angry at myself for being bad.
I think a big part of it is we're in what I would call the digital generation where most of our interactions are held through digital mediums (phones, social media, etc) where you don't see or acknowledge a person, all you see is a name. If you persist in this kind of environment, it tends to lead to sociopathic type behavior where you dehumanize anyone and devalue anything that doesn't serve your own implied wants or needs. So they lash out in some utterly destructive ways and feel fine about it because they don't even associate the person they're saying it to as an actual person... it's just a name that isn't serving their needs. Sadly this is something I see only getting worse as we continue to become more and more digital in our interactions.
Great analysis. Thankfully it really is a small minority in sc2. Hope it shrinks further
@@PiGstarcraft Probably because SC2, especially at the higher levels, is a difficult game to play and keep up with. Most people dealing with the digital addiction tend to reinforce what comes easily and is convenient... So they show up for a while, lash out because they can't just press F2 and win, and eventually move on because they're not getting what they want out of the exchange. From what I've seen in your videos, most people respond appropriately by not taking them seriously or feeding into their temper tantrums. You don't reward a 2 year old for stomping their feet when they don't get a new toy in the store, you don't reward trolls for trying to ruin your experience because they choose misery.
I think it’s actually another layer when it comes to crazy hateful rants like in this episode, where anonymity allows racists and misogynists to project whatever qualities they hate irl onto an opponent that is frustrating them in the moment.
Also not to be annoying but the real problem with the digital era feels like it’s the way social media and digital media in general is designed to be addicting and damaging for the user in order for the companies to make more money. The same way a gambling addict can throw their life away at a slot machine, terminally online people can really lose track of what they need in order to actually live a healthy life. Just my 2 cents
That salt level went from 0-100 real quick 😅😂🤣.
I think the reason people lash out this hard in games is because they're already going through a shit time, playing games is their outlet and when playing games starts adding to their stress rather than relieving it (for example getting dommed in starcraft), they just say all kinds of horrible shit to dump their negativity on someone else.
It's likely we're both reading too much into it but you're bang on that it's an interesting thought lol
I mean there is something to be said for the fact that tying MMR or a player vs player win screen to your happiness is an indication of a poorly chosen outlet. Nobody having a rough time should be putting themself in a headspace where they need to be better than someone else in order to feel okay.
Challenging yourself can be great for your mental health, so many people talk about Dark Souls or learning a martial art as something that helped them through really tough times, but it’s sad to see some people just spiral out by trying to seek solace in places they won’t find it.
I hope more people can get outta the rut an unhealthy mindset puts them in, y’know? Nobody deserves to be miserable.
I always say GG, and yeah I check the replay to understand how I lost, what my opponent did and how could I improve, because like WhiteRa said "More GG More Skill", so each lost game is a clear replay to check my own mistakes specially on games I felt I was winning or there were no way to lose.
Sometimes I got some crazy guy like those but it is weird, I think the most common is the "EZ" from people feeling their paycheck is based on his GSL placement and still playing against a mid scrub ladder for some points when I take it as a game
the perfect combination of salt + pigs reactions to the salt has me in tears every time
Psycho really lived up to his name. I prefer to be called an underhuman now.
Ive said insane shit, and i regret. I definitely think it was a dark place in my life fueling the lashing out, and that frustration losing battling your ego is accurate. Respecting the human on the other side of the screen is an important, almost critical aspect we forget.
Ey thanks for sharing. It does take some of the edge out of the rage comments when you can remember they're usually going through a tough time. Doesn't forgive the behaviour but adds some much needed context
Pretty sure I've seen Leviathan in one of the Florencio files.
Or bronze league heroes.
@@MrYago-xd7um I doubt it, I've never watched bronze league heroes
I recently started playing Starcraft again, I've been learning some pressure builds Scarlet has used, excited to hopefully send you vids!
I am almost sad that I don't get this level of salt, because the trolling would be hilarious.
Yeah as a personal collector of opponent's tears, receiving this level of salt would be delicious
@@PiGstarcraft "As a personal collector of opponent's tears" 🤣🤣🤣 if your answers to this level of salt were as sophisticated as your metaphor here, they would be delicious indeed 🤣
I only wanted to send slurs to some people from ladder AFTER I watched the replay and realized how cheeky their style was
Thank you for the video!
There is a legend told about the kids grown up on the internet:
Once in the subway, some punk rides. All in tattoos head to toes. Jacket with the logo of his fav band. And suddenly some teen 13-15 years old approaches him and like drops: "His [insert band name] are f...ers and b..ches. And... ". He was not able to finish because his nose suddenly broke. Morale: In real life your actions have consequences. That boy may or may not learned it hard way.
The new term is PDF file when one is talking of kiddy diddlers around TOS
I now fear for the safety of my third category family.
Hello from a new subscriber / fan here. I haven’t played StarCraft in years, not since heart of the swarm, when I was a diamondish Zerg. Love the content. God bless
my favorite is "Oh you're such a daffodil"
I like to insult people when I m frustrated and losing, yet I do not say such things.
I also hide in the map and prolong the game as much as I can.
"Towards thee I roll, thou all-destroying but unconquering whale; to the last I grapple with thee; from hell’s heart I stab at thee; for hate’s sake I spit my last breath at thee."
- Ahab's words to Moby Dick during the fatal third chase
Psycho was 100% agerman guy :D I can tell because of the "underhuman" :D
I don't talk crap on Starcraft but I did in a game called Caesary. As long as you dont go overboard and bring race or get personal it can be used effectively to throw your opponent off. When your opponent is mad or doesn't like you, they tend to make more mistakes and play on emotion rather than sound strategy.
the first one is golden, I nedd more in my life. lol
One aspect of this phenomena is that video games appeal to people with ADHD because it allows them to enter a hyperfocus state. When you put them in a losing position, suddenly they lose their hyperfocus and this is very disruptive to a person with ADHD. Games are one of the few places in life where they can easily enter a state of focus, which is why they are so satisfying. Another difficult symptom of ADHD is emotional dysregulation. So you've broken their hyperfocus which causes negative emotion and then they have difficulty controlling that emotion and their subsequent behavior in the wake of it. While this behavior should not be condoned, I think it is worthwhile to look at the psychological roots behind it and give the benefit of the doubt to people who may just be lashing out in their suffering. Part of why I love this series is that you humanize it and acknowledge this is a real person to be understood instead of writing it off as a one-dimensional asshole who should be shamed for his behavior. Giving the benefit of the doubt opens the door for apologies and forgiveness. All the love, PiG!
Not gonna lie, these threats on family and wishes of cancer on people actually starting to disturb me a little. I mean I love a good salt and usually laugh at it no matter what naughty words are being employed by the salt producer, but some people do go way too dark.
probably salty because he just got drafted to the front in Ukraine and will be food for the worms soon
Yeah next ep will aim to get more silly/weird rage! Only so much of this level of madness that will be entertaining.
It's the nature of hyperbole on the internet. Once people stop getting reactions out of threating to, "[demonitized] you in your orifice!" then they have to find a new way to express ever greater levels of threat/rage. The worst thing a raging person can feel is that they're not being taken seriously, so they have to find something to get the sort of reaction they want. Which is why the best response is always just to laugh at them, because nothing removes a person's power more than being the butt of a joke.
@@CatacombD You should just ignore them and report them to Blizzard for account removal.
@@kommisar. nothing will be donr
"That's what I'm talking about, your playing starcraft, bring out the Asian slurs, its a bit more niche!" Had me in stitches!
Dude floating 2000 minerals so he could micro 3 marines against 8 roaches 😂
No life lessons in this episode but did learn new insults. 3rd catagory family is under human
~7:05: the word in question was not 'sure', but rather german again. for english add a "w" in front and make the "u" an "o".
I'm pretty sure the last guy was german aswell 🙂
Rough times for german "patriots" xD
26:20 Do Zerg believe in heaven?
She ascended
this made my day. GGs
The "underhuman" guy must be german too. He just translated it from german 1 by 1 -> Untermensch = "Underhuman" = (Subhuman)
LegendaryPooFighter.... I'm stealing that name
The times I have had people do this to me my general reply is "because you lost at starcraft? ok" or "if you act this way losing a video game, I would hate to know how you handle real disappointment"
Entitlement is what you're looking for. The raging ones are highly likely younger individuals who has grown up getting most things they point at. They are probably having a fairly easy time in most other things they do in life, like school, sports, higher education, etc. They have been taught that they are "successful" without really having to put any work into it. At the same time, they have never really had to suffer any real consequences when showing a bad manner.
In other words, they are spoiled brats who can't take that the majority of people they play against are better at something than they are.
Thanks for a great channel by the way. This series is very entertaining.
More like the sociopath mines today.
19:07 games like this is why i leave all chat disabled in parental settings
I liked railroad's comment, "not for you"
I've been watching your channel forever and I finally started playing the game....I suck!!
and i thought i had issues.
PYSCHO was casually the most wholesome person featured.
Lmao when pig was suggesting names he mentioned my name
That was some solid German pronunciation.
I'd rate 8/10
Also I definitely grew up on the internet in the era of it being very toxic and everyone saying horrific shit to eachother cause it was to someone nameless. I started playing SC1 when I was 6, CSGO when I was 9 and in CS I’d say some horrendous shit to people because the culture of the games at the time was very toxic and it was just the standard, as a kid you just absorb whatever it is you are consistently getting thrown at you and the defense mechanism (online at the time) was just to try being even more over the top until the other person just stopped replying. I think people of my age group (young 20’s) have grown out of that as it’s like damn. I shouldn’t have grown up hearing slurs, typing slurs, getting called horrific things, getting death threats to my home address from people who can doxx, etc. it was just the unfortunate happenstance of my generation. There are, of course, the basement dwellers who haven’t touched grass this month and never grew out of it because “it’s just a joke, bro” when we all know they’re absolutely fuming about their life in general and just trying to drag someone else down.
I don't know man. Some fucked shit gets said online once in a while, but it's not like someone on the other side of the globe can do shit to you, so I don't really see the problem (when it's enemies in games saying shit like that). Laugh in their face, take your win, and have a good day.
Has anyone put in the time to figuring out which race is the saltiest over 15 eps?
considering the people blizzard has working for them, i assume when they look at reports for chat like this they just go "whats the issue here?"
Bobby Kotick should be an emoji. The battles between he and Chris Hansen shall be epic.
That's actually my job. But we've increased tolerance in certain situations, I'll let you figure that one out because I can't say more than that.
Game Master A...ur here
if tolerance has only gone up, then sounds like i was right lol
@@sunonaro it's gone up, but I've also had to unban some people SJW Game Masters banned for no reason.
Recently had to let a guy back on Overwatch because he got banned for calling a trans girl "dude". He called everyone "dude", so I didn't see the issue, but the other GM still unfairly banned him.
Blizzard is all over the place.
@@stamythezombie thats very lame, but atleast theres some people with sense there all jokes aside
This guy's bring that League energy into SC2. Good times.
Love your work bro. Keep it up. Underhumans of the world... UNITE! :D
I used to be toxic piece of shit back when I used to play games on the ranked ladders. Never held myself accountable and things I could've done differently. When I lashed out, it was meant to be disrespectful, but I never insulted family members or anything. I was much tamer with my insults, but the amount of trash talking I did was nearly every match or game regardless of win or loss. As with all younger people, I think ego and "knowing-it-all" is a big part of what creates that mindset, and a lot of it was moving past that and realizing I don't know it all whatsoever.
Nowadays I'm just chilling with more things going on in my life that takes precendence over video games. I still play ranked, but I always look at what I can improve and do better in my next game. I've thankfully moved past that phase, I do banter with friends and opponents but it's all in good fun.
Underhumans for life! Though. . . Wow. I guess I don't play at the right times to get these sort of horrible human beings.
This made me laugh too much.
Looks like you hit a vein of pure salt.
VIleda op! all that Saltshaker wanted was to get to him.. but no. Vileda stayed cool that must have hurt pyocho so bad,,xD
"Going with the heterosexual insults for once."
Equality.
stuff like this is precisely why i prefer singleplayer games to multiplayer ones
Just another tuesday in SC2
While I only have 3 useable fingers on my left hand I am trying. I admit im still terrible. I starterd doing ranked and just really doing marines and practicing hotkeying. I got called "a F-ing blowjob". He destroyed a mineral line in a base that had 4 scv's because it was almost mined out. He then goes "round eye butt mad" I almost let him come back I literally had tears in my eyes I was laughing so hard. I went onto win with marine/medivacs but oh my god im still dying.
Rofl what a gift
I've never threatened or hoped for harm towards my opponents or their families, but I have Definitely yelled at people being super-cheesy. And that frustration came from me trying to learn the game and constantly losing games over and over because I couldn't learn anything when I was getting cheesed in the first minute of the game. So yeah, I quit playing because it was impossible for me to learn how to get better when every single match in low gold or high silver was just constant cheese.
hugs man.
At times I get sour in CO-OPs, when a juvenil is deliberate selecting an OP commander like Tychus in Lone Wolf, plays deliberate for a high score, ignores patrols, and constantly has a unit aside of my units to scam kills of me. For me it feels like a waste of time, when I try to have some entertainment and I'm used to serve the other player as dummy for his ego run. CO-OP went down the drain, when commanders got introduced, that don't require resource management or micro of their units any more. The core values of a good RTS game got diluted, and often the players playing these kind of OP commanders deliberate do it to get an ego kick or are seeking recognition in a video game.
There are also the stealth commanders, that often show players with a narcistic love for the stealth game play, ignoring the rest of the tasks. It makes me feel as if I suppose to run behind these people and do the clean up for them.
I consider CO-OP as a team play, where players augment each other. To often I cross path with pushy players, attempting to patronize me. Often they justify their actions with the phrase "I'm helping you, you are soo slow, I already cleared the first wave" etc., when I ask them the reason for their behavior. The conversation turns sour, when I turn down their help, mention the OP commander they play, and ask them to be modest, humble. Then it's getting toxic fast.
1:00 and there goes that sweet youtube money.
Congratulations for 60k subscribers!
Underhuman... nuff said
PiG. people drink alcohol, that is a drunk person. I'd like to see you play a drunk game :)
i lose control of my temper very easily
I am loving how you make fools of bigots. You never shy away because you’re an adult but you remind them of who they are each time
Take a nap, Jordanism.
Psycho wanted to know when Vileda's mom died of cancer so they could send their condolences. Duh. What else could they possibly mean there?
Secretly a nice guy!
Pig I want to meet these ppl too. I bet they are so shy and coy irl. Lol
Certainly lol
imagine if the whole "quiet kid" stereotype is just these people yelling at their opponents in video games lol
Ngl, Jordanism was pretty creative...
As my name suggests I know a thing or two about getting death threats from scrubs. In my opinion most salt comes from ego's getting hurt, people tend to get more angry when it's pretty much entirely their fault than if they have something real to blame it on. Their ego's are to frail to accept the loss head on so they start looking for excuses like the ones you mentioned in the video. However they themselves know on some level that that is exactly what they're doing and so the personal attacks are a last ditch effort to att least sour your victory. The level of self awareness probably varies depending on the individual.
I reckon that's spot on
YESSS the next episode
Gotta try those heterosexual insults sometime
Hey there, just helping out with translations: a "hure" is a female sex worker in german
I am not the only underhuman out there!?!?!?
I've BM'd on the ladder before. Not proud of it but will admit it. Never any slurs or anything horrible like that just stuff "you are terrible I should have won, learn a real build, EZ EZ EZ", stuff like that It was almost always because of outside factors. Stress from work, personal issues, etc... that had me in a bad headspace before even hitting the ranked button. And then I'd put all my self-worth into the game. The losses then feel like a reflection of my own failing as a human and the gut reaction is to lash out. That's why I did it.
That makes sense. Thanks for sharing mate