@@Zorglub1966 Thanks, and I really mean it. I speak English and Italian, read German, and I still remember a bit of Russian, but I have a strong feeling I will have to learn French as well. Probably it is not that hard after Italian... My wife and daughter both speak French and I love to listen to them talk.
The french terminology designed smoothbore muskets "fusils", and the rifled ones "carabines". When rifling became common, the distinction shifted to the length of the weapon. But nowaday, in the civil firearms regulation, smoothbore hunting rifles are still called "fusils", and any rifled longarm is called carabine, whatever its length or its system.
I don't speak French but you convinced me. Thank you for the history you bring forth. I know it takes a LOT of time and effort to dig into the history books and bring all this to light. A lot of these guns such as this one I have never even heard of but you bring them to light again and their history from day one to the battlefield. Bravo Cap and Ball...
I love these topics, being a military history teacher and researcher focusing on 19th century art of war requires understanding tne story behind the wood and iron. These videos are very good side products of my scientific papers published.
Beautiful old weapon. Once again, thanks for sharing with us. This model is well represented in books and in illustration. Thank you for giving us the look, feel, and story of these weapons. Interchangeable back then was on point.
Well, I say Sir. you speak far much better French then I do. And I live in a French Province.. I just know the swear words... Thank so kindly for covering this Wonderful French piece again. I'am holding its brother beside me as I view this talk/ presentation. Jean - Baptiste Gribeauval, a smart Chap he was...
I don't think the butt stock is short because people were smaller. I suspect the thickness of the Calvary uniform (and possibly breastplate) probably made up the extra length needed on the butt stock. The modern military rifle has an adjustable stock to allow a shooter to fit his rifle to him and the conditions. It can be made shorter to allow for body armor or winter clothing, and longer for thin summer clothing and no body armor. However, the adjustable stock was not available in the eighteenth century. So they just made the butt stock shorter.
I'm a retired Gunsmith and tool maker and those sets of original gauges, was something to see. 🙏👍 Thank you Balzas for another great and informative video. Here in Australia, our very young country has a town on the coast of southern Queensland called 1770, so while it was being named and then founded, the French were developing a new method of manufacture which we now all take for granted. 🤔😅👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏
I also read many sources about these sets, but in fact last week was the first time in my life I saw them, in real life. There are tools like this also in Liege, a friend of minie was kind to take pictures about them as well.
ciao ! bellissimo esemplare!seguo sempre i tuoi video ! ci siamo incontrati un po di anni fa a Parma campionato europeo e abbiamo sparato in categoria miquelet O !
mi piacerebbe tantissimo ma è da anni che non gareggio più per motivi di tempo ,comunque sparo sempre di avancarica sia con repliche che originali! viva la black powder ! spero un giorno che ci possiamo rivedere !
That was a mouthful Balazs, parfait! By the way, that thing looks like most of the original muskets on GunBroker, cut down to look like something else 😜
@@capandballthe two issues you have are first getting a authentic volcanic pistol, second is correctly making the ammunition which is difficult since it uses no casing
@@capandballthe problem is finding a authentic fully functional volcanic pistol, then correctly making the ammunition which is unconventional since it uses no casings
(I meant to put this comment in a earlier video you did on a Pickett rifle about two years ago. I've been going back through your older videos I haven't seen before subscribing) It's wonderful to see a piece of history brought back to life and in working order. Great job, I find your videos very interesting and informative. Thanks for your dedication and hard work in keeping firearms and their history alive. I was watching one of your older videos on the pedersoli Jaeger rifle 54-caliber I think, I have one myself here in America. Mine is the fast twist barrel advertised as an Early American Jaeger rifle, 1 in 22 twist barrels, and I was wondering if pedersoli sells the slower twist barrel for the rifle. (Just the barrel) I can't seem to find any information if they do. My only other option is to have a barrel custom made. If you have any information, it would be greatly appreciated.
Hi, I am sure you can buy the barrel separately. Contact IFG in Florida, they are the importers. Be careful: the barrel of the slow twist Jäger is longer than the fast twist version.
I bought an India made 1777 musketoon in memory of an ancestor who was in the Duc de Lauzun's Legion during the American Revolution. I love working on and shooting flintlocks and have written and posted articles on this and other related flintlock topics. It is my opinion that the little workshops in today's India that make these reproductions must be very similar to the workshops that made the original model guns in terms of hand made manufacturing technology, although the steel of today's India is far superior to the wrought iron of18th Century France. As the gun first came to me, the internal gunlock parts were so poorly fitted and operating, the piece was essentially useless as a military weapon, however I did an extensive amount of gunsmithing on all aspects of the lock, internally and externally, and brought the weapon up to what I considered military standards of operation and reliability. As it is now, the gun sparks very well and reliably, cock clicks into position smartly and positively and the trigger is crisp. I assume that, similar to my gun as I received it, the original French pieces functioned poorly when they were newly manufactured and they too had to go through extensive hand tuning and adjustment by a gunsmith before they could be considered military grade and sold to the government. If you're interested, the article can be found by googling 'my French 1777 cavalry musketoon.' Lots of other shooting stuff there too.
Thanks! I am not fan of Inian made muzzle loaders. Not mainly because the quality issues you mentioned. All the American, Italian, Spanish, German, Hungarian, Polish Czech brands I've ever dealt with made their items to meet strict technical and quality specification, and all these makers obey the law and trade with their items as firearms bearing full responsibility for malfunctions and injuries. For these companies it is impossible to sell a gun without pressure proofing, or with a malfunctioning lock. I can't imagine being happy with an arm that does not spark well, or has a faulty halfcock, or etc... While I admire how the Indian workshops build these things from nothing, with primitive machinery.
This rifle looks similar to the one in my godfather collection - except it seems to me like it is of a larger bore - I think the one in his collection was a .55 caliber and had a bit longer barrel - I think It was a 18" barrel
I have always thought that carbines were shorter models of rifles and it was common hunters who started by making the rifles shorter and then the military adopted these rifles.🤔
In French military terminology the carbine was a short rifle with octagonal bore. French army before 1815 was not really supportive with rfiles by the way. Very few soldiers were armed with them.
The European industry of the 17th century would have been capable of producing semi-automatic pistols or even AK-47s. Unfortunately, the necessary chemical and physical knowledge was not available at the time.
@@kovona I don't think so. Muskets were common in 17th-century armies. In 1660, the French army consisted of 160,000 men (during peacetime), and they were all equipped with flintlock muskets.
@@makoado6010 how come? The lock has 4 parts that accept large tolences, it is very different from a modern pistol or rifle. Even if you had gauges, you still had no precision machining (damn it, they couldnt even measure that small), every part would have to be hand fitted. Ignoring material sciences (I bet the barrel would explode, like they did a CENTURY later when many tried to make conversions for smokeless powder) the gun would still have problems headspacing, feeding problems, and tolerances problems all over. One era can be impressive without being compared to another.
"Unfortunately"!? The history of giving underdeveloped cutures advanced weaponry is not a pretty one and somebody has to learn it the hard way. You get the Boshin war, American Civil war, the Great War, Hiroshima and Nagasaki, not to mention the countless conflicts in the developing world. The doctrines and philosophy must be taught in addition to the objects themselves. If you went to some remote tribe and gave them a backhoe, they'd probably make it dance and worship it. This is not their failing, but it is the same reason taking a people accustomed to despotism and just dropping some form of democracy on them, without the hundreds of years of strife and philosophical discourse that created it, generally doesn't work, to the extent it 'works' in the west. Secondarily, I get you're trying to credit their craftsmanship, but they were doing their best, as has been done in the past, as we are doing now. The Mesopotamians were not building with mud bricks because they were stupid or lazy, it was the preformed concrete of the day. Perhaps by the early 19th century they could have made something like a modern firearm, or a motorbike, for that matter, but at that point you'd have to give them a slew of modern equipment and textbooks. The tolerances are not the only issue, the heat treatment, metallurgy and chemistry all need to be taught. If you did all this, you'd end up with a single toy for a noble after half a year of labor from a small town. The crux of the advancement of industry has always been scale and repeatability, which is why you see late 18th century repeating muskets or the Antikythera mechanism, but it's not like everyone had one sitting in their closet. It is the impossibly intricate and incomprehensible web of supply chains, universities and technical schools and infrastructure which allows our current society to function. If you think of everything required to say, put one box of nails on the shelf at a hardware store, from the electrical systems and grid that allow you to see said box, the refineries that made the fuel, plastics and lubricant for the vehicles (then the vehicles themselves) that got it there, the ink on the box, not to mention the tremendously refined process of making the nails, you could go on ad nauseum until your head unscews itself. All these processes are optimized for maximum practical efficiency and are the culmination of uncountable man hours of study and labor. This is why so many parts of the world struggle, despite being replete with natural resources and having plenty of people. We do not stand on the shoulders of giants, but the backs of the billions who came before.
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18th century manufacturing is amazing to learn about, you see the the beginnings of the industrial era and it's beautiful.
0:26 It was perfectly understandable! No ears bleeding, Nice job!!!
You are just too kind! :)
@@capandball No, i'm serious, it does'nt matters to have a perfect accent, the goal is to be painless understood.
@@Zorglub1966 Thanks, and I really mean it. I speak English and Italian, read German, and I still remember a bit of Russian, but I have a strong feeling I will have to learn French as well. Probably it is not that hard after Italian... My wife and daughter both speak French and I love to listen to them talk.
@@capandball grammar must be a joke for you! EDIT : I meant a piece of cake
@@capandball Dann können sie ja lesen das ich sehr stolz auf sie bin =)
The french terminology designed smoothbore muskets "fusils", and the rifled ones "carabines".
When rifling became common, the distinction shifted to the length of the weapon.
But nowaday, in the civil firearms regulation, smoothbore hunting rifles are still called "fusils", and any rifled longarm is called carabine, whatever its length or its system.
Hi. I'm french and i have perfectly understand ! Perfect !
Merci! :)
I don't speak French but you convinced me. Thank you for the history you bring forth. I know it takes a LOT of time and effort to dig into the history books and bring all this to light. A lot of these guns such as this one I have never even heard of but you bring them to light again and their history from day one to the battlefield. Bravo Cap and Ball...
I love these topics, being a military history teacher and researcher focusing on 19th century art of war requires understanding tne story behind the wood and iron. These videos are very good side products of my scientific papers published.
I understood your French, that's the most important. I am French.
That bright beautiful frungrish was very clear to my Canadian ear!
:D that was a good one!
Beautiful old weapon. Once again, thanks for sharing with us. This model is well represented in books and in illustration. Thank you for giving us the look, feel, and story of these weapons. Interchangeable back then was on point.
Until today i hve never seen those gauges, it's facsinating!
Well, I say Sir. you speak far much better French then I do. And I live in a French Province..
I just know the swear words...
Thank so kindly for covering this Wonderful French piece again. I'am holding its brother beside me as I view this talk/ presentation.
Jean - Baptiste Gribeauval, a smart Chap he was...
from now on , all chapters in the muttersprache of the gun !!😊
:D :D You don't want that, believe me!
I don't think the butt stock is short because people were smaller. I suspect the thickness of the Calvary uniform (and possibly breastplate) probably made up the extra length needed on the butt stock.
The modern military rifle has an adjustable stock to allow a shooter to fit his rifle to him and the conditions. It can be made shorter to allow for body armor or winter clothing, and longer for thin summer clothing and no body armor. However, the adjustable stock was not available in the eighteenth century. So they just made the butt stock shorter.
You've got a point here! The average height was less than today.
The hussars, these guns we're manufactured for, we're the smallest cavalrymen in the french Army. They never wore armor.
Merci! Ton français est parfait !!!!😉
I always love these history lessons. I imagine you are a wonderful teacher in the classroom! Proud to support you on Patreon. 🙂
Many thanks for that! That's truly a great help. Teachers' salary in my country is minimal...
Wonderful idea for a series.
Nice!
The technological aspect of firearms is absolutely fascinating.
Thank you.
Another great gem of a video👍👍
Thank-you so much for another very interesting video. Looking forward to part three!
I'm a retired Gunsmith and tool maker and those sets of original gauges, was something to see. 🙏👍 Thank you Balzas for another great and informative video.
Here in Australia, our very young country has a town on the coast of southern Queensland called 1770, so while it was being named and then founded, the French were developing a new method of manufacture which we now all take for granted. 🤔😅👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏
I also read many sources about these sets, but in fact last week was the first time in my life I saw them, in real life. There are tools like this also in Liege, a friend of minie was kind to take pictures about them as well.
@@capandball Fantastic! Also, with regards the short stock of the military musketoon, you weren't wearing full period uniform with cross straps. 😉
ciao ! bellissimo esemplare!seguo sempre i tuoi video ! ci siamo incontrati un po di anni fa a Parma campionato europeo e abbiamo sparato in categoria miquelet O !
@@fabiofranzin4183 ci vediamo a Valeggio quest'anno in Agosto.
mi piacerebbe tantissimo ma è da anni che non gareggio più per motivi di tempo ,comunque sparo sempre di avancarica sia con repliche che originali! viva la black powder ! spero un giorno che ci possiamo rivedere !
Perfect your videos always brighten my days.
Fascinating and well researched! Thanks for another great video!
What a Dream! ❤ I hope to find a original for my collection. I think you for sharing this educational experience with the world.
That was a mouthful Balazs, parfait! By the way, that thing looks like most of the original muskets on GunBroker, cut down to look like something else 😜
Dear TH-cam Algorithm, please bless capandball's channel and may his videos go viral. Amen!
Fingers crossed thatbthe AI will hear this wish. 😂 but i am sceptic.
A very good and educational video! My compliments.
Thanks!
Dear Sir, many thanks for your support. I really appreciate it!
Parfaitement dit ! Thank for your video !
Your french is good ! Nice video again !
Love the video! Thank you (Merci)
Thank you sir, great video
I don't know if you've done a segment on the Volcanic Repeating Pistol, but it would be wonderful to see.
That would be a blast If i could make one work...
@@capandballthe two issues you have are first getting a authentic volcanic pistol, second is correctly making the ammunition which is difficult since it uses no casing
@@capandballthe problem is finding a authentic fully functional volcanic pistol, then correctly making the ammunition which is unconventional since it uses no casings
Interesting! Thank you!
I wish to see the left side of the musketoon. I'm interested in the suspension method. BTW, that's good shooting using a smoothbore without sights
In the next video you'll see it!
(I meant to put this comment in a earlier video you did on a Pickett rifle about two years ago.
I've been going back through your older videos I haven't seen before subscribing)
It's wonderful to see a piece of history brought back to life and in working order.
Great job, I find your videos very interesting and informative.
Thanks for your dedication and hard work in keeping firearms and their history alive.
I was watching one of your older videos on the pedersoli Jaeger rifle 54-caliber I think, I have one myself here in America.
Mine is the fast twist barrel advertised as an Early American Jaeger rifle, 1 in 22 twist barrels, and I was wondering if pedersoli sells the slower twist barrel for the rifle.
(Just the barrel) I can't seem to find any information if they do.
My only other option is to have a barrel custom made.
If you have any information, it would be greatly appreciated.
Hi, I am sure you can buy the barrel separately. Contact IFG in Florida, they are the importers. Be careful: the barrel of the slow twist Jäger is longer than the fast twist version.
@@capandball thank you for the information.
It is an elegant gun. Looks like a hefty recoil.
Yes, light and short barrelled = large recoil.
I bought an India made 1777 musketoon in memory of an ancestor who was in the Duc de Lauzun's Legion during the American Revolution.
I love working on and shooting flintlocks and have written and posted articles on this and other related flintlock topics. It is my opinion that the little workshops in today's India that make these reproductions must be very similar to the workshops that made the original model guns in terms of hand made manufacturing technology, although the steel of today's India is far superior to the wrought iron of18th Century France.
As the gun first came to me, the internal gunlock parts were so poorly fitted and operating, the piece was essentially useless as a military weapon, however I did an extensive amount of gunsmithing on all aspects of the lock, internally and externally, and brought the weapon up to what I considered military standards of operation and reliability. As it is now, the gun sparks very well and reliably, cock clicks into position smartly and positively and the trigger is crisp. I assume that, similar to my gun as I received it, the original French pieces functioned poorly when they were newly manufactured and they too had to go through extensive hand tuning and adjustment by a gunsmith before they could be considered military grade and sold to the government.
If you're interested, the article can be found by googling 'my French 1777 cavalry musketoon.' Lots of other shooting stuff there too.
Thanks! I am not fan of Inian made muzzle loaders. Not mainly because the quality issues you mentioned. All the American, Italian, Spanish, German, Hungarian, Polish Czech brands I've ever dealt with made their items to meet strict technical and quality specification, and all these makers obey the law and trade with their items as firearms bearing full responsibility for malfunctions and injuries. For these companies it is impossible to sell a gun without pressure proofing, or with a malfunctioning lock. I can't imagine being happy with an arm that does not spark well, or has a faulty halfcock, or etc... While I admire how the Indian workshops build these things from nothing, with primitive machinery.
Bravo pour la prononciation en français ;) !
Very interesting.
This rifle looks similar to the one in my godfather collection - except it seems to me like it is of a larger bore - I think the one in his collection was a .55 caliber and had a bit longer barrel - I think It was a 18" barrel
A collaboration with Gun Jesus would have been perfect.
We are in the same branch at History of Weapons and War.
I like you vidio👍
I love classic
I hate how I want one! 👍
I have always thought that carbines were shorter models of rifles and it was common hunters who started by making the rifles shorter and then the military adopted these rifles.🤔
In French military terminology the carbine was a short rifle with octagonal bore. French army before 1815 was not really supportive with rfiles by the way. Very few soldiers were armed with them.
Bravo pour ton français
Good french !
Would a swaged 16 guage Brenneke slug fly better, the grooves are in the slug.
Probably. But I am always after the practical accuracy with the original charge.
Have you stopped making hunting videos? I am your old fan and subscriber. From Nepal..... Thanks
No, this is the latest: th-cam.com/video/IvTuJuCtvGo/w-d-xo.html
@@capandball thank you brother..
Hunglish rocks!
👍👍👌👌
What BP charge did you use?
You will get the exact answer from Part III.
@@capandball thank you i have the Pedersoli Replica of this Musketoon so im very exited ^^
Excuse me sir… this isn’t a cap and ball??
Oh silly me, i must delete the film now. :)
Külön gratulálok, mert egy magyar francia számára nagyon nehéz!
Please don't say "only the perfect parts". It's never about perfection it is always about "good enough", meaning "within the specs".
:) Please tell me you are an engineer! :) But you are right anyway.
Bon Français😊
The European industry of the 17th century would have been capable of producing semi-automatic pistols or even AK-47s. Unfortunately, the necessary chemical and physical knowledge was not available at the time.
The problem is each AK would had cost a small fortune and require hundreds of man-labours by master craftsmen to create.
@@kovona I don't think so. Muskets were common in 17th-century armies. In 1660, the French army consisted of 160,000 men (during peacetime), and they were all equipped with flintlock muskets.
@@makoado6010 how come? The lock has 4 parts that accept large tolences, it is very different from a modern pistol or rifle. Even if you had gauges, you still had no precision machining (damn it, they couldnt even measure that small), every part would have to be hand fitted. Ignoring material sciences (I bet the barrel would explode, like they did a CENTURY later when many tried to make conversions for smokeless powder) the gun would still have problems headspacing, feeding problems, and tolerances problems all over.
One era can be impressive without being compared to another.
@@robertoemiliano4196 "The lock has 4 parts that accept large tolences" nope.
"Unfortunately"!? The history of giving underdeveloped cutures advanced weaponry is not a pretty one and somebody has to learn it the hard way. You get the Boshin war, American Civil war, the Great War, Hiroshima and Nagasaki, not to mention the countless conflicts in the developing world. The doctrines and philosophy must be taught in addition to the objects themselves. If you went to some remote tribe and gave them a backhoe, they'd probably make it dance and worship it. This is not their failing, but it is the same reason taking a people accustomed to despotism and just dropping some form of democracy on them, without the hundreds of years of strife and philosophical discourse that created it, generally doesn't work, to the extent it 'works' in the west.
Secondarily, I get you're trying to credit their craftsmanship, but they were doing their best, as has been done in the past, as we are doing now. The Mesopotamians were not building with mud bricks because they were stupid or lazy, it was the preformed concrete of the day. Perhaps by the early 19th century they could have made something like a modern firearm, or a motorbike, for that matter, but at that point you'd have to give them a slew of modern equipment and textbooks. The tolerances are not the only issue, the heat treatment, metallurgy and chemistry all need to be taught. If you did all this, you'd end up with a single toy for a noble after half a year of labor from a small town. The crux of the advancement of industry has always been scale and repeatability, which is why you see late 18th century repeating muskets or the Antikythera mechanism, but it's not like everyone had one sitting in their closet. It is the impossibly intricate and incomprehensible web of supply chains, universities and technical schools and infrastructure which allows our current society to function. If you think of everything required to say, put one box of nails on the shelf at a hardware store, from the electrical systems and grid that allow you to see said box, the refineries that made the fuel, plastics and lubricant for the vehicles (then the vehicles themselves) that got it there, the ink on the box, not to mention the tremendously refined process of making the nails, you could go on ad nauseum until your head unscews itself. All these processes are optimized for maximum practical efficiency and are the culmination of uncountable man hours of study and labor. This is why so many parts of the world struggle, despite being replete with natural resources and having plenty of people. We do not stand on the shoulders of giants, but the backs of the billions who came before.
Speak very well French.