2012 Fiat 500 vs. 2011 Mini Cooper | Comparison Test

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  • @marshknute
    @marshknute 13 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    For these base model cars, I would choose the Mini. I like its quirky interior and retro styling. That said, I wouldn't pay a penny over $25K (the cost of a lightly-optioned Miata). As for the Abarth and Cooper S, I prefer the Fiat. I think it's outlandish scorpion badges and go-faster stickers make it look more sporty than the Mini, and it'll certainly be more exclusive.

  • @londo0
    @londo0 7 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    Kind of sexist of her to say "Is it an impulse buy for your girlfriend". Plenty of men drive 500s and this is not a ' girls' car.
    Also, suspension, etc can be played with and F500 will perform better then with stock set up.
    Another plus for F500 is that it is more reliable that Mini and if something goes wrong it is cheaper to fix (Mini charges premiums for their parts).

  • @x1pyroveride
    @x1pyroveride 11 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    "mini was trying too hard" its called heritage. for someone who has owned a 1973, and a 2005 they did a great job.

  • @Nixmix24
    @Nixmix24 13 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    "You can tell when you see the giant speedometer and the toggle switches that MINI was trying just a little bit too hard..."
    Um... actually, it was designed with two people in mind as a rallying car. The passenger who needs to easily read the speedometer and flip the switches while the driver flies through the course. Know your car before bashing the chosen styling.

  • @Baasicstuff
    @Baasicstuff 12 ปีที่แล้ว

    Theirs a Canadian dude showing you the Fiat Abarth driving in snow looked like it did very well. The Traction Control really kicks in nice and almost does the Range Rover thing except it only is front wheel drive.

  • @NUMBERoneCANIAC
    @NUMBERoneCANIAC 13 ปีที่แล้ว

    I totally agree with the thing about the mini shifting nicely. Not sure if it has a heavy knob on it, but it has a much better feel than an e90 shifter.

  • @eisenbar2000
    @eisenbar2000 12 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I test drove both a 2012 of these cars. Base MINI auto and Fiat 500 sport auto. I chose the MINI. The MINI felt better for fast turns and I liked the power better. Turning radius of the Fiat was awesome. The Fiat felt more cramped than the MINI. Not horrible. Worst part was my right leg against the center console. MINI interior quality was better. Biggest thing was the power. For a daily comute in city/highway combined rush hour traffic the MINI is better.

    • @miralemnermina142
      @miralemnermina142 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      As a "FIAT fan" (not really) I totally agree with you on interior, also it feels kinda small. If you wanted more powerful engine you should have tried 1.4 16v. Those are a good compromise between 1.2 8v & Abarth 1.4 turbo

  • @mizino7
    @mizino7 12 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I have driven both the fiat (which I own a sport version of) and a mini. The differences are rather obvious when you drive them. The mini is lower and the roof is closer to your head, but its wider, still there is a bit of claustrophobia going on compared to the Fiat which has a more open feel to it. The sacrifice is handling the higher center of gravity provides more body roll than the mini. I actually prefer the Fiats gear box, but the difference is minimal so its preferential at best.

  • @amberblyledge7859
    @amberblyledge7859 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    I drive a 2002 nissan xterra. It's a midsized suv. High off the ground, 5000lb towing capacity, v6, 0-60 in about 12. I test drove a FIAT 500 pop and I LOVED everything about it except for the acceleration. And that's coming from someone who has been in a SUV their entire life. It's tall off the ground, absolutely plenty of headroom if you are a guy, or have a guy, good turning, and sexy as hell (coming from someone who says that a GMC topkick Ironhide edition is the sexiest vehicle ever.).

  • @blueshadow84
    @blueshadow84 13 ปีที่แล้ว

    @supervegano I'll concede that cars like the 500 were originally designed to navigate the (comparatively) small roads of Europe. I've been in the Netherlands for more than two months, and definitely see the need for small cars (small roads, better fuel economy, etc). I also see that there are dozens of other options when it comes to similarly sized cars that can be had for significantly less money.
    I will say that these cars have aged well, and, had I the means, I'd pay extra for the "style"

  • @venom5809
    @venom5809 13 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I like both of them, but my preference is to the Mini. A couple of my neighbors have them and they are really great looking cars. These are more status vehicles than anything else and their reliability is not great. If you want a real commuter car with bulletproof reliability and amazing gas mileage, then you get a Honda Civic.

  • @elaxel1469
    @elaxel1469 9 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    This girl has no idea of cars. 0-60 in 10 secons is LACK of power???? WTF

    • @ChunkyBunny2
      @ChunkyBunny2 8 ปีที่แล้ว

      It really is...

    • @elaxel1469
      @elaxel1469 8 ปีที่แล้ว

      for a sportscar yes, but it is a supermini

  • @cheesepie1011
    @cheesepie1011 13 ปีที่แล้ว

    Am I the only one who thinks the little chrome bumper accent makes the fiat llok like it has a cute little mustache? :3

  • @Syphon787G
    @Syphon787G 13 ปีที่แล้ว

    So on the highway do you have to have the pedal almost a the way down for the fiat? Since the speed limmit is 70?

  • @Edrox5000
    @Edrox5000 13 ปีที่แล้ว

    UNBELIEVABLE... i have a mini and that 69.0 mph slalom run is still absolutely insane. THOSE ARE PORSCHE SPEEDS!!!! it makes me wonder if there is any car under $40k that is faster than a mini through the slalom. if anyone knows of any car that is faster please let me know.

  • @regdorsey1986
    @regdorsey1986 13 ปีที่แล้ว

    any chance of the Abarth coming to the US?

  • @dallaspolo
    @dallaspolo 13 ปีที่แล้ว

    Im wondering after the 3 yr 36K miles.. Which one will cost more to keep on the road?

    • @miralemnermina142
      @miralemnermina142 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Dunno about MINI but Fiat's 1.2 8V FIRE engines are reliable and cheap to maintain. My mum has a Punto with same engine that gets abused regularly and it passed 125 000mile mark yesterday. Not a lot for those engines but it hasn't broke down so far so that's cool

  • @Nimbus_2k
    @Nimbus_2k 11 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I own a 2010 mini and is awesome and minis are British and wore bought by BMW (Germany), I love BMW they are the best cars and SUVs in the world followed by Mercedes and Buick, I used to own a 2006 BMW 3 series awd 325xi and it was like a dream car I love it, but I changed it for the mini because I wanted to try some thing else from BMW that had better fuel efficiency, mini is a cool car, btw just for the record I've seen more man than woman deriving minis. The feeling of BMW is unbelievably unique, you'll know when you own one $$$$$$, they are expensive, but I don't mind it, they are worth every penny. Mini is just that as soon as you enter one it feels like a BMW, the only thing It lacks is power compared to the BMW I had is a big difference, that might be the reason why I going back to a 2010 BMW perhaps even a 2010 Mercedes-Benz (328xi or c300) will find out later. The key for long lasting durability and performance of a great car especially great make cars is maintenance. Take care of them people. XD

    • @MultiNemesis101
      @MultiNemesis101 9 ปีที่แล้ว

      +Mike Pete
      Wore bought? Are British? this whole thing is both ungrammatical and.. well, nonsense. Is English your first language?

  • @clash189
    @clash189 13 ปีที่แล้ว

    The 500 belongs to different car segment , it is positioned to compete iQ, Picanto and i10 and actually purchased for city and suburban driving purpose not inter state; while the mini belongs to small family hatch,

  • @techieaddict
    @techieaddict 12 ปีที่แล้ว

    I think she looks fine, and exudes elegance. I don't know what others are complaining about

  • @ImHereToAnnoyYou
    @ImHereToAnnoyYou 13 ปีที่แล้ว

    Slalom Speeds:
    BMW M3 coupe = 67.7 mph
    BMW Mini Cooper = 69 mph
    This is one reason why small and light is often good and fun.
    I suppose if you only drive in straight lines and not in a city or town then these cars would seem pointless, and vice versa.

  • @Illmatic662
    @Illmatic662 13 ปีที่แล้ว

    Same head unit that is in the 3 series right?

  • @tmanutd82
    @tmanutd82 13 ปีที่แล้ว

    Neither of these cars are sensible; a VW Golf, let along a Suzuki Swift, will fill the role of small car perfectly making a Mini or Fiat a luxury purchase. With practicality taken care of it's really a case of what you want and I would say looks will play a more dominant role in determining that than on road ability.

  • @AlucardFeeds
    @AlucardFeeds 13 ปีที่แล้ว

    Man who edits these videos? I love how they have commentary as the background to the Crappy music!

  • @Kingjay814
    @Kingjay814 13 ปีที่แล้ว

    I've personally driven both, and I'm quite fond of the Mini over the Fiat. The 500 just feels too small, however I'd take the 500 over a Smart Car any day of the week. The Mini just has a more "sporty" feel to it. That and the Mini is just a good looking car. The 500 just isn't that "stylish" to me. All in all the review is rock solid that's about how I felt about the cars when I drove them. I'd take a Cooper S though, pick one up used save a few grand and get a better car.

  • @damnhockey
    @damnhockey 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    Very nice detailed comparison.

  • @Philippe1613
    @Philippe1613 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    Nice presentation. Thank you!

  • @oldschool1928
    @oldschool1928 13 ปีที่แล้ว

    Strong, useful, "bullet" statements for each car.

  • @lffit
    @lffit 13 ปีที่แล้ว

    two car basically good cars for the European market, with crowded old cities and the huge cost of gas.

  • @mizino7
    @mizino7 12 ปีที่แล้ว

    Aye they are city cars, but america with as spread out as it is, requires even city cars to pass, and avoid accidents at highway speeds, as such their ability to change direction at high speed, and their mid range power band, and their brakes are all important even though they are city cars. If this were for the euro versions of these cars I would say you are completely correct as some of them never see more than 40 or so MPH.

  • @Utsukushi91
    @Utsukushi91 13 ปีที่แล้ว

    the sl65 amg black series with brabus tuning would smoke these two. NO contest

  • @mgibbs88
    @mgibbs88 13 ปีที่แล้ว

    @allisinthepass how else do you pronounce it?

  • @RodrigoMJ32
    @RodrigoMJ32 13 ปีที่แล้ว

    @robjla1 so she works for inside line, you don't, there.....

  • @thebossisheretostay
    @thebossisheretostay 13 ปีที่แล้ว

    i dont get it, your highways are slower than here in europe and yet we manage fine with all these cars buzzing around, sure they make some noise at 80 but isnt that fast enough to overtake anything. why do everday cars in america have v6s and stuff it just inst needed

  • @beautyinmetal
    @beautyinmetal 13 ปีที่แล้ว

    Nice video, I'd prefer the Mini too.

  • @veigadevil
    @veigadevil 13 ปีที่แล้ว

    the cars have inbuilt kitchen?

  • @JerZeeBoi91
    @JerZeeBoi91 13 ปีที่แล้ว

    I was looking at her eyebrows the whole time... LOL

  • @thert213
    @thert213 13 ปีที่แล้ว

    @FrencunoZeTroll Thank you. You're absolutely right

  • @92SAITO92
    @92SAITO92 13 ปีที่แล้ว

    ....... what is that test driving the cars?

  • @vitomariemont
    @vitomariemont 13 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    FIAT 500 ONLY

  • @Kartracer3333
    @Kartracer3333 13 ปีที่แล้ว

    The mini is definitley better hands down, but i would have to say the fuel economy of the 500 would most likely be better. Beside's that, the brakes on the mini's tend to have problems after the warranty expires so for an average person i would say go for the fiat. If you can afford the maitnence and up front cost of the mini then go for it. Thats my .02cents

  • @blueshadow84
    @blueshadow84 13 ปีที่แล้ว

    @supervegano These aren't cars that I would consider very "economical." There are lesser expensive cars, that also deliver better fuel economy. And that doesn't even include the used car market. These cars are about style 1st and foremost

  • @PierceMedia
    @PierceMedia 13 ปีที่แล้ว

    Horrible comparison of the Fiat 500 to the mini. It's just a vague appearance match up. They should be comparing the Fiat to others in it's class like the Toyota Yaris, Honda Fit, Mazda 2. The next comparison will be a Chevy Camaro vs a VW GTi. great work..

  • @mccracken65
    @mccracken65 13 ปีที่แล้ว

    @FrencunoZeTroll DOES ANYONE ELSE FIND IT IRONIC THAT THE GUY WITH "TROLL" IN HIS NAME IS ACTUALLY DEFENDING THE PERSON WHO MADE THIS VIDEO?

  • @juschill7
    @juschill7 13 ปีที่แล้ว

    @mluu510 she should be working for consumer reports!

  • @MultiNemesis101
    @MultiNemesis101 9 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Why are so many comments in barely intelligible English? Many of the sentences make no sense, the writers contradict themselves, and often are factually incorrect! I know that some may not have English as their first language, but to be honest it would seem that 'some' is about 95% unless it is just the average American's inability to frame a sentence with any semblance of structure?

    • @miralemnermina142
      @miralemnermina142 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Probably a lot of Italians with bad English

  • @texan176
    @texan176 13 ปีที่แล้ว

    Fiat was too late to the game. Mini Cooper was a hot seller when it started out because small cars were a "new" thing at the time following 10+ years of giant SUVs and trucks when gas was 99 cents in the 1990s. Now with $3-4 gas sales are still up on large vehicles and people have a "from my cold dead hand" mentality about them.
    Fiat should build another spyder for the US market and make a better miata which is not easy to do; that niche is better to get.

  • @nikothecrazygreek
    @nikothecrazygreek 13 ปีที่แล้ว

    the only reason i choose the fiat over the mini is because the fiat is cheaper when specked out and the abarth version just cam out and it look like an evil little Lamborghini baby

  • @sixfeetmonsta
    @sixfeetmonsta 13 ปีที่แล้ว

    I like the Fiat 500 despite its draw backs

  • @todwcampbell
    @todwcampbell 12 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Fiat is a nice little car...mini cool too. I bought the Fiat!

  • @onoff314
    @onoff314 13 ปีที่แล้ว

    @clash189 no its not its a fashion car like the mini

  • @tootsiejoon
    @tootsiejoon 13 ปีที่แล้ว

    Come on guys give her a break, I think she is new and kinda shy, she'll get better at this.

  • @FrostedCold
    @FrostedCold 13 ปีที่แล้ว

    @FrencunoZeTroll Agreed.

  • @lHiTMANll
    @lHiTMANll 13 ปีที่แล้ว

    @TheVtieg6
    yeah but theres not many italians in mexica so its mexican.

  • @mattybumpo68
    @mattybumpo68 13 ปีที่แล้ว

    "it doesn't have much low end but it pulls hard" .... not really the way i'd describe something doing 0-60 in 8.9 and the quarter mile in 16.6sec ... zzzzzz. with real-world expectations (not for the power snobs out there) i'd say something more like: "adequate power but far from being quick"

  • @ivanlai0225
    @ivanlai0225 13 ปีที่แล้ว

    @allisinthepass i believe thats how you say it.

  • @recommendme
    @recommendme 13 ปีที่แล้ว

    @ElliottHawkins1 no sir.. where i am from.. i see more guys driving coopers.. and i havnt seen much fiats.. the fiats i have seen driven (atleast 5 for now) have been old guys

  • @luv2mx
    @luv2mx 13 ปีที่แล้ว

    @EASiedlecki Sorry you feel like that. There is nothing new from these reviews. Show 0-60, show 60-0. Show windy road clip. . . . And it does't matter what type of car. Room for originality here.

  • @90Mrknowitall
    @90Mrknowitall 13 ปีที่แล้ว

    what about the smart for 2 car? lol ill take the mini

  • @luv2mx
    @luv2mx 13 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hello? City Car! These cars are built for the urban environment. Why are you testing them on the "Track" and in the canyons? Seriously please retest and provide a useful comparison. Parking, Turn radius, ingress/egress, City fuel economy, ride quality on city roads. Come on, Stop being trying to be Motortrend and think differently.

  • @silverbullet1979
    @silverbullet1979 13 ปีที่แล้ว

    it's really an interresting comparison but it seems the woman was very DEAD at delivering the words, a little beat on her voice would be a much welcome or unless this comparo was really meant to be delivered on monotone voice... nevertheless it's a nice review...

  • @RodrigoMJ32
    @RodrigoMJ32 13 ปีที่แล้ว

    @allisinthepass SHE WORKS FOR INSIDE LINE, YOU DON'T, ENOUGH SAID, DON'T LIKE HOW SHE SAYS IT, THEN DON'T LOOK AT THE VIDEO AGAIN

  • @rojman123
    @rojman123 13 ปีที่แล้ว

    Jeez, calm down people. Theres going to be trolls no matter WHATS posted.

  • @false_cypher
    @false_cypher 13 ปีที่แล้ว

    I'm a 21 year old and far from the best driver... I mean I'm an enthusiast but shouldn't I be slower than test drivers from auto mags/sites? definitely got an 0-60 time faster than these guys in my friends new base mini. =/ Meh I think I'll stick to motortrend for test data.

  • @eskimochild87
    @eskimochild87 13 ปีที่แล้ว

    id buy the 500 and its super cute!

  • @MrDodobmw
    @MrDodobmw 13 ปีที่แล้ว

    @TheTrejo93 please get behind the wheel of a mini cooper s,or a fiat 500 abarth,and then say they are useless

  • @ottodob
    @ottodob 13 ปีที่แล้ว

    im waiting for the abarth

  • @Owen-xd3lt
    @Owen-xd3lt 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Who tf buys a car so small thinking in speeding up? If you want something fast there are a lot of sport cars available Mustang, Genesis Coupe Camarillo, Challenger etc. but a car 🚗 that looks like a little toy is obviously to save money, gas and park everywhere possible.

  • @Snowmation
    @Snowmation 13 ปีที่แล้ว

    Guys fix your audio mixing, the music is way too loud when she's talking.

  • @2stroketurbo
    @2stroketurbo 13 ปีที่แล้ว

    harsh reviews, I thought it was good

  • @MrStlover99
    @MrStlover99 13 ปีที่แล้ว

    @FrencunoZeTroll lol, tell them

  • @arashn89
    @arashn89 13 ปีที่แล้ว

    fiat looks good but underpowerd even the Abarth version

  • @SubieSean
    @SubieSean 13 ปีที่แล้ว

    combined total 176hp....

  • @Apex_MZ3
    @Apex_MZ3 13 ปีที่แล้ว

    @QusaiSN14 their both two different things.small cars with big engine= the best. ford raptor is a joke,its just made for people so they think they have a hardcore off roader.the frame sucks on it

  • @ColdWarCanada
    @ColdWarCanada 13 ปีที่แล้ว

    @FrencunoZeTroll amen!

  • @FizzyMotors
    @FizzyMotors 13 ปีที่แล้ว

    @FrencunoZeTroll amen to that

  • @uziboy1000
    @uziboy1000 13 ปีที่แล้ว

    i though fiat gonna do a back wheelie :D

  • @tigerbalm666
    @tigerbalm666 13 ปีที่แล้ว

    10.4 s 0-60 is not bad...Mini wins easily. Fiat didn't do enough and it shows...a cartoon clown car. Someone needs to show her the back seat and loosen up!

  • @liiililiiil
    @liiililiiil 13 ปีที่แล้ว

    fiat vs mini !!!! crazy shit Comparison

  • @supercarkid
    @supercarkid 13 ปีที่แล้ว

    if they had to hire a robot, they could've at least hired someone good looking...

  • @ElliottHawkins1
    @ElliottHawkins1 13 ปีที่แล้ว

    @recommendme ha well there aimed at the womens market except the cooper s and jhon works

  • @tallen35875
    @tallen35875 13 ปีที่แล้ว

    what is up with the graphics on the Mini? they look so stupid!

  • @select20
    @select20 13 ปีที่แล้ว

    Not such a bad review. I've seen other (males) do much worse.

  • @jca4176
    @jca4176 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I like the fiat than mini.

  • @limericklad2000
    @limericklad2000 13 ปีที่แล้ว

    "impulse buy for your girlfriend." As many men drive a MINI as women.

  • @camaroman101
    @camaroman101 13 ปีที่แล้ว

    ill take a 500, can't stand minis for some reason

  • @snypa345
    @snypa345 13 ปีที่แล้ว

    @ottodob same thing i said

  • @JCSVINDUSTRIES
    @JCSVINDUSTRIES 13 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    sick go 500

  • @Ji99i3
    @Ji99i3 13 ปีที่แล้ว

    poor girl was sleeping in the 500

  • @rowsdower12
    @rowsdower12 13 ปีที่แล้ว

    @FrencunoZeTroll Agreed. I think its re-freshing that a female is doing a car review. This is a male dominated segment or industry. Whether or not the reviewer is good or not shouldn't depend on the sex but the presenter. There are just as bad male presenters out there. There are some cool female presenters on roadfly.com.

  • @AlecMMillar
    @AlecMMillar 13 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    female car reviewers have to be fit.... and well, she fails

  • @wizardmz10
    @wizardmz10 13 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    WTF WHO BUYS THIS CARS FOR FUN?

  • @jeffmullinix7916
    @jeffmullinix7916 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    I really dont know which one is the worst . Lets see ! We all know that Mini's are not real Mini's made by Austin or Morris they are made by BMW so for me they are not Mini's . Then there are teething pains with the Mini . Long , bad , off and no again type of pains at that . That being said . The only 2 years when Mini's was good if you call it that and that was 2006 and 2007 . Before that time the Mini's was bad I mean really bad but not as bad the ones after 2007 . Now for the Fiat 500 . Well what can I say about this one .Not as cool looking or drive as well as the Mini but it is made in the USA by Chrysler and is backed by Chrysler that being said remember the Crossfire that looked cool for the time but after Chrysler dropped Mercedes . Try getting that car fixed at the dealer ! They wont touch it with a ten ft pole . Take it to Mercedes maybe they will but your going to pay for it . I almost feel that the 500 is heading down that line . But maybe not because Chrysler owns Fiat and owned Fiat for a long time now . Ever sense 1986 I believe but never bought there product into the USA . The New Dart was the first from Fiat and once that was set in place Chrysler introduced the 500 a year or two latter . Yes the Fiat 500 is a girly car and the cooper as more boy car . Will the fiat 500 last as long as the cooper? yes . So lets take both cars of the same years to this date . Will the cooper last 100,000 miles with out any fixes other that tune ups , one brake pad change and tires . NO . Now will the Fiat 500 will met or surpass that it should and most likely . But both of these car will not meet the standards of Asian cars . But like everything else that is Asian owned and most of those companies have plants here in the USA just like Fiat and this includes the big three from japan . I only know one car made in Japan and that is the Honda CRZ . Most likely the best and only car imported from Japan to the USA . But that car ended after 6 years .

    • @jamesbondo5895
      @jamesbondo5895 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Fiat owns Chrysler, not the other way around

  • @smohan123
    @smohan123 13 ปีที่แล้ว

    This is a car comparison video from InsideLine and y'all are worried about the presenter's looks? If it was a guy you'd not say anything. That is to say, you think a male presenter would be nicer to look at than this woman. It follows, then, that y'all are homosexuals? If you disagree, shut up and watch the video.

  • @recommendme
    @recommendme 13 ปีที่แล้ว

    thats a really really wierd looking kitchen O.o

  • @toyota420xp
    @toyota420xp 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    The mini is good at bombing down dirt roads

  • @travisjohnson536
    @travisjohnson536 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    Well we will see if it makes it to 100,000 miles.

    • @miralemnermina142
      @miralemnermina142 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      1.2 8V FIRE engines are known to go pass the half milion km mark, 100 000 miles is nothing. My mums Punto with older version of FIRE engine has 202000km, that's around 125 000miles. It never broke and it gets abused regularly

  • @recommendme
    @recommendme 13 ปีที่แล้ว

    @ElliottHawkins1 yes.. i wish people knew that haha

  • @tetujkoo1
    @tetujkoo1 13 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    500 !!!!!!

  • @Waitingtoolong
    @Waitingtoolong 13 ปีที่แล้ว

    I wouldnt trust either of these cars for reliability. Meh.
    Also, I'd rather have something with some brawn. These cars seem flaccid.