My Latinum up was when Stamets asks Reno about some temporal theory and she asks "Are you stuck in a Time Loop right now, Stamets" and the look of shock on his face.
NGL, it happens so often seemingly that it should be protocol to ask when people 'suddenly have questions'. I would love to see that from both sides in Star Trek one day.
@@thomashong2938 she would remember. they said anything they did before the bug reset them wouldnt keep hense the 'one shot" cuz if they broke apart and the bug reset the breaking of the warp bubble would have been set. so since that was a previous jump it should still count.
The second Bernham scene was necessary for Rayner’s character growth. To show that he does listen to his crew, and that he is trying to do things differently. He connected with them in a way that was atypical for him and that is what ended up saving things.
Would have loved to see lorca. He's in the captain's chair. He asks why he should believe her, she whispers about him getting back to the mirror dimensions
Like the Hail Hydra moment from Avengers Endgame, yeah that might have been a cool moment too. Still, it's always nice to see the bridge crews secondary characters get screen time.
I honestly think his character would have been too "big" for the episode and his presence would have distracted from everything else going on. They needed an explanation for why he wasn't on the ship when it was during an era when he was captain, and for me, the line they gave was enough.
@@jjmfrees Don't forget, killing the time bug in that phase would have undone everything they did there, so Lorca wouldn't have retained the knowledge that Burnham knew what was going on. Like the other two Doctors not being able to remember changing their personal history in Day of the Doctor.
I don’t think 2 of the downs are warranted. The first one about how rayner has a go at Rhys is kinda the whole point of the episode to teach him how to trust the crew. The second one about mentioning Lorca is simply a point of reference if stamets would have said a year or star date i would have been lost and had no idea. By saying Lorca is in command although on an away mission tells us its somewhere in the first 6-8 months of the klingon war before the jaunt to the mirror universe.
To add to that, they really needed to mention that Lorca wasn't there, otherwise the first (and only) action of the bridge crew would have been to call the captain and let him decide. As Sean mentioned, the scene didn't entirely make sense as aired, because Michael didn't have a good way to convince the crew that she was telling the truth. If Lorca had been there, it would have been as simple as whispering to him "Long Live the Emperor!", and he'd have known she was telling the truth, and the pragmatist in him would have assisted her in saving the ship. It would have been dramatic and cool to see. My opinion is that the scene was originally written to have Lorca in it, but Jason Issacs either wasn't available or turned the roll down. That's why we got the bridge scene we got with "who else can we bring back?"
Add an up for how Stammets keeps clearing Engineering (between the ‘I was more surly in this time’ and the disappointment that “his” staff doesn’t know that a “spore leak” isn’t a thing). Add a down for the needlessly flashing lighting during the hallway fight - made it almost impossible to follow what was going on. Add an up just for the shot of Grudge (we haven’t had much of the queen this season) - but I might be biased.
I want to thank you Sean, for the kind words you signed the video off with. My sweet dog lost his life this week due to heart failure and your lovely words spoken with your lovely Irish accent gave me a bit of comfort. Again, thank you kind sir.
Convincing Aerium worked for me, because it is not about how she dies, but the fact, that she will sacrifice herself for the crew and the greater good. Only someone who will have been there, can know that. It is a clear "I know somehting about you, that you have never told anyone" moment. And let's be honest: The "You are right, this is somehting I would do." line hit harder, then expected.
I really liked this episode. We see Rayner go through some personal growth, and we’re reminded through Burnham’s earlier self, her growth. In fact, she seems to matured even more, between the 4th and 5th seasons.
Stamets *heard* the Krenim Barking Spider. He knows what his Engineering section is supposed to sound like and that thing made a lot of noise for its size.
Also, he's time-sensitive because of the tardigrade DNA, as was also mentioned in this episode, so he might have just sensed the disturbance like that.
I disagree about the Airiam down. She was exhibiting a knowledge of the person in charge that only someone that had lived in that moment would know and with it knew exactly what Airiam would do in that situation. Her telling the others "She's right, that's exactly what I would do." was her letting the others know that she was telling the truth.
Michael didn't really give any real specifics. Frankly with anyone else in the room, if she had said it to them instead, would go "yeah. That's what I would do. I would die to save my crewmates even if they protested" and an imposter could have easily used that against them.
she would have known if Burnham was lying because she can be used as a polygraph, but i do believe that the crew at that time was unaware of it, because it would affect how the crew interacted with her, and she very much wanted to maintain as much human connection as possible.
@@TheEvox81 In context What burnham said was "If it should come to pass that a malicious program threatened the crew by way of herself she would do everything in her power to self terminate along with the hostile programming.
If someone told em 4 years ago, that Discovery would do a flashback episode to Season 1, that hits an emotional nerve, I would have been very sceptical. That just shows how much the show has improved...
Why are people who clearly hate the show watching? As an African I find Americans insufferable because of this. It's why I prefer Eastern content like K-Dramas. The West went downhill because of incel shrills
What I really loved on scene with the worker is that red uniforms on that timeline are related to security and engineering. So makes all sense their dialog.
Plus, to me, that "poor young worker" would presume if someone has gotten that far onto the ship, they had passed through security. The 23rd century didn't have personal transporters, thus people couldn't just appear out of nowhere, as far as the worker knew.
@@antney7745 I'm not a huge Voyager fan but over seven years, there are definitely some really great episodes and the Krenim story is definitely one of them.
Another great Episode. I love when a captain and the First Officer gets an episode to themselves. Pure skills on display, it was sooooooooooo cool seeing the Disco crew from back in the day and showing Arishem again.
I can find it in my heart to forgive them for not having the scheduling power or the money to get a guy whose name is on posters at the multiplex in for a cameo. If they couldn’t get him, I’m glad to have at least gotten a reference. Remember how excited we were when an alternate universe just barely mentioned a General Sisko? I was more surprised not to get a Pike or Spock cameo, really, but revisiting the first two seasons was neat nonetheless. My latinum up was Stamets storming into season 1 engineering and clearing it in seconds by declaring, “I am very grumpy today.” There’s a decent reason for the shipyard guy not to flag the uniforms, I think. There were already radically different uniforms in circulation at the point, between the blue jumpsuits and the modern colors that Pike and Enterprise had. He probably just thought the brass was getting a new uniform. I mean it’s no way to run a fleet, but they did nonetheless. Stamets landing in the past when he’d been impaled, gotta admit that also made me laugh a horrified little laugh.
I saw this episode as very reminiscent of Voyager episodes Relativity, and Shattered. Not time loops but jumping to parts of your own past, and in the same way relying and trusting each other to have their own unique insights and experiences to complete the mission, a sum is greater than the parts kind of deal, very Trek.
It seems that since Calypso, there have been two opposing forces in the writers' room - one wanting to connect to Calypso and one wanting to do their own thing. The original idea for the Burn and the previous reference to 'V'draysh' were clearly supposed to start a story thread connecting the two. However, they abandoned it, and this episode clearly held a reference too, but honestly, I don't think we're ever going to get anything more solid. That said, so much time passes between the two eras. In the centuries between them, stuff happened to Zora. For some reason, she moved to the nebula, her interior was cleaned, and her hull was reverted to NCC-1031. There's nothing impossible in any of that, we just have to assume that stories happened in the intervening years to explain it. That's fine and, honestly, I'd be happy to leave it to the books to explore.
@@flancrestenterprises945 The people behind the show said that Calypso would be addressed this final season. Possibly, I think, in the next episode Mirrors. More likely, in the series finale, directed by the same guy who directed Calypso and the upcoming Section 31 streaming movie. I really doubt that there was any division in the writers room over Calypso. They created a problem when they had Discovery time jump 930 years into the future. That made Calypso look anachronistic. Craft didn’t recognize the symbols and emblems of Starfleet and the Federation but Book knew instantly what the large arrowhead symbol on Burnham’s uniform stood for. That would seem to indicate that Calypso takes place in a parallel or alternate reality/ timeline/universe. But the DSC powers that be continue to say that Calypso is in the same universe and that it takes place somehow in the 42nd or 43rd centuries. For that to happen, I would guess, the DiscoA would have to be retired to the Starfleet Museum and go through a reverse refit to restore its original appearance. And then some crew would take it away for some reason and abandon it in intergalactic space. Zora would somehow get a lobotomy and forget how she became sentient.
@thomashong2938 Yeah I heard that too, though I'm worried that by "addressed", they meant "referenced" and the most recent episode was all the referencing we'll get! Hopefully I'm wrong, but we'll see!
This episode reminded me of the Voyager episode "Shattered". In all honesty, I really thought that we gonna see either Lorca or Ash Tyler, but I'm happy it was Airiam. Up until now I still imagining what kind of upgrades she'll received in the 32nd century if she's alive.
This seemed like a "ship in a bottle" episode, meaning all the action took place on the ship with less exterior, expensive sets. The intrigue was sustaining and I enjoyed the story.
It was a good way to make a clip show episode without making it a clip show. But it was a lot like that Voyager Episode, where different parts of the ship existed in different times.
@@carschmn Or the Voyager episode Relativity. Or the Lower Decks episode Crisis Point where Mariner has to fight herself. They took elements from a lot of pretty good episodes and mashed them together, with decent results.
Big problem Rayner having is not accepting he is now a first officer not a captain. He finally seems to get it toward the end keeping track and knowing the crew is part of being 1st officer.
I'm downing this week's ups and downs for not giving Reno and Stamitz ups! They were great this week. I loved this episode, surprised you were so harsh on it!
It wasn't just that he happened to be looking at the right wall at the right time as it was that he had heard the little critter skittering up said wall and was looking in the direction of the noise. ~Chris
I want you all to know that I look forward to these Ups and Downs videos just as much as the actual Star Trek episodes! You all do a wonderful job on them!
Ironically enough this was probably my favorite episode of the season. It also felt very similar to Relativity from Voyager which is probably why I liked it so much.
This and episode 3 feel like they should be watched Together. I waited until this episode came out to watch episode 3, and they pair together soooooooooo incredibly well and shows how they are building Rayner up each episode. 8/10
I actually thought the whole Airiam thing worked really well and was very moving. I did pick up on the fact though that they got Hannah Cheesman back to play her. I can’t remember the exact reason (possibly not liking the makeup), but they changed actors between Seasons 1 & 2. Sara Mitich was originally Airiam in Season 1 but then switched to playing Nilsson and we got that touching but sneaky meta scene where Nilsson replaced Airiam on the Bridge after she died. Hannah Cheesman played Airiam in Season 2. So, I’m guessing they asked her to play Season 1 Airiam in this episode. Secondly, a couple of Cetacean Observations in one scene. When Burnham and Rayner go back to the construction of Discovery, the two light panels either side of the gap in the bulkhead are unusually pulsing upwards in sequence. I thought this looked very much like those light columns/conduits around DS9’s Ops, which used to either have white pulses going up, during normal functions, or red pulses going down, during a red alert. I don’t know if this was an intentional nod on Discovery, but I just noted the similarity as they don’t normally do that. The other Observation was the fact the ship’s being built near the Golden Gate Bridge. That must mean it’s in the “San Francisco Fleet Yards”, which I swear is exactly where the original TOS Enterprise was built (it says so on the dedication plaque on the Bridge). So, that’s another neat connection between the two 23rd century ships. Lastly, I loved the two Reno scenes, especially her asking Stamets if he’s stuck in a time loop!😂 But, the second appearance, during the takeover by Osyraa, is a neat Easter Egg that rectifies a complaint some fans had back when that originally happened. Reno’s seen on Discovery before Osyraa took control but is then weirdly absent throughout the entire takeover episode arc and everyone’s trying to retake the ship. She then suddenly simply reappears after everything’s back to normal, as if she’d been there the whole time. Obviously, the off-screen reason’s probably that Tig Notaro wasn’t available to shoot any of the scenes with Tilly and the others originally. But, at least this week’s episode now shows she WAS on the ship during the takeover and was actually doing her own solo thing, running around the ship trying to stay alive and safe.👍
Are you even going to talk about the three BEST scenes in the entire episode? Two of which involve Tig Notaro's engineer Reno, and the third when Stamets clears the room by telling everyone he needs his space, then says he was a different person before the tardigrade DNA? There should be at least 3 more "Ups" on your list... This episode was so much fun!
Timeclone and two different types of temporal loops. Rayner having to see that Burnhams collaborative approach did in fact work made a lot of sense. His way has worked for him for years, he can't just be told to do things another way, he has to see that it works.
I don’t think the scene with Burnham in engineering was unnecessary. It was my first thought when the scene started but as it went on I saw that while the scene was good for S1 Burnham, it was necessary for Rayner, to be able to reach her of all people was very important for his character
The future jump was not a reference to Calypso. The crew and federation were killed in the ensuing war with the Breen and their Progenitor weapons, that's not the same future as we saw in Calypso, plus they undid the time bug and as long as they retain the Progenitor tech and Moll and L'ak don't get it to sell on, that future they just saw won't happen at all. At this point I'm seeing the short trek Calypso as more a "what if" episode rather than a future episode, maybe one where they hide the ship/sphere data rather than continue to use it.
The Que Sera Sera future happened, just not in their timeline. 3218 Zora doesn’t get to see her crew come back to life. Her Burnham and her Rayner never went through time jumps. Her Stamets did but likely never saw the time bug and didn’t know what was happening to him.
When they went 30 years into the future to the barren ship, I observed the frost (or perhaps dust) on the window. I immediately said "Timeless" in reference to the Voyager episode
I disagree with the Lorca down. He had to be the captain given where the story needed Past Burnham to be in her arc. But if he was on the ship and someone claiming to be Captain Burnham from the future arrived on the bridge, it would have been criminal to not immediately interrupt whatever he was currently doing. So by having him, chief of security and Saru off the ship, it gives Ariam the authority she needs to be able to go with Burnham’s plan, whatever you think about her logic later.
You completely missed the point of the scene with Arriam. It's not the fact that Burnham tells her how she's going to die that makes her believe. It's the sincerity and the showing that Butnham knows Arriam and the choice that she would make to save her crewmates. Not "Oh I know you're going to die in 3 weeks". Come on, please read between the lines a little bit!
The down about the fact that Airiam trusts her after she is told how she will die, I disagree with that. She is cybernetically augmented and is a being of knowledge of what she would do in that extreme situation. She would absolutely sacrifice herself in order to protect her family on Discovery.
Your down on Airiam is flawed.... It wasn't about convincing her because of the death, it was about proving she knows her at a psychological level nobody did at that time (underhanded acknowledgement of poor character development?)
I was a bit confused at the end when the crew knew what happened in the past. I thought they retained their memories of Captain Burnham giving them instructions. Burnham told them the story off screen.
I disagree with the first down for Rayner. Yes he did shut Rhys down abruptly, but that also leads in to his character development and growth, and shows he's lerning to adapt because near the end of the episode, he conceides Rhys was correct and credits him.
I cannot believe, in all your summary, you skipped both of Reno's awesome scenes. For shame, Sean, for shame! I loved this ep--the only thing that would have made it better would have been a third Reno scene at the end, who had put it all together based on her memory of Stemmets acting weird and meeting Reyner out of sequence, and waited patiently for the time shenanigans to resolve themselves so she could get her drink order in.
@@thomashong2938 That memory erase only happened because they crushed the bug--if they hadn't, the events of that time period would have crystalized at the next reset. Ergo--if I understand the wacky Trek time travel logic--everything that happened in all previous loops actually altered the timeline (albeit in inconsequential ways). If this were pre-32nd century, Starfleet's time cops would almost certainly be paying Discovery a visit to clean up the little glitches they introduced.
@@ematuskey Captain Braxton, Agent Daniels and their colleagues would be far too busy cleaning up the huge mess left behind by the Temporal Wars to bother with the 32nd century.
The Discovery in Calypso is probably a version of the ship that didn't travel to the 32nd Century. There was probably a duplication of Discovery as it went through thee wormhole, like with Voyager in Deadlock.
I disagree with the Ariam down completely. It wasn’t that she convinced her that she died. It’s the fact that the absolutely only way she would give up her life is for that exact circumstance is why she is convinced.
it is gonna take a bit longer to see rainer as anything other than the metoo cylon great actor. he managed to be the scariest dude in all of bsg and that is a feat. as for ayriam (sp?) it isnt about logic- it is about empathy. she is basically telling this lady she is the bravest person on disco. that reaonates
Wow! I think this is the first time I have to disagree with you bud. I absolutely loved this episode. Take it as a major "UP" from me that we finally disagree!
Missing scene from when they first got to the 32nd century: "Hey we finally fixed that thing where the transporter kills you and makes a copy, you actually just get transported now!" "..."
@@susanscott8653The ready room on Discovery is one deck above the bridge. In Season 2, Pike didn’t like Lorca’s old ready room and abandoned it for a bigger space upstairs.
Airiam made sense. If Rayner hadn't said what he did on the bridge, then he and Michael would not have been together. Plus it gave him time to see how he was wrong. Plus, no love for Reno in this video?
An instant Trek classic! By the time the credits rolled, I knew I had watched something special and would eventually be watching the episode again and again. Like the feeling after watching Yesterday's Enterprise, Far Beyond the Stars and Those Old Scientists.
I think you missed the reference in the episode title “Face the Strange”. It references David Bowie’s “Changes”. Turn and face the strange Ch-ch-changes There's gonna have to be a different man Time may change me But I can't trace time
I think the Aryum scene works for yrust because Burnham tells her she will sacrifice herself, no one else would know she'd do so. Thats how she convinced her.
I'm surprised that this episode didn't get more ups, brother Seán. This was damned good Trek, top to bottom. I don't disagree with your downs, well, except the Ariam down. Dude, that's harsh! But I thought this was one of the strongest episodes of the series, not just the season. God bless from the Ozarks!
You say "the Breen somehow came into control of the Progenitor technology". They clearly stated in the episode that is that version of time Mol and Lak sold them the technology. They were the highest bidder. It's not just "somehow". They clearly said what happened. And as much as you go on about how the Short Treks weren't ever alluded to again, I expected you to get much more excited about them showing to that.
I always enjoy watching the up and down videos, and it's always the first thing I want to do after watching an episode of Trek.. BUT sometimes I feel you over analyse for the sake of analysing. I thought it was a great and enjoyable episode without going any deeper than what it was. An enjoyable episode of Trek.
Thanks for excellent content Linus! You know, there are no shortage of reviewers breaking episodes down, but there are NONE who do as awesome as you do at comments within the actual context of the story itself. Like, for example, your discussion of the Captain correcting Rayner. Pure mastery. Thanks for being really good at your art! Please keep it UP! 😊
No, it really doesn’t. Only 30 or so years had passed not 1000. Zora recognized both Burnham and Rayner. The answer to the Calypso Short Trek will either happen in the next episode Mirrors or, more likely, in the series finale Life, Itself that is directed by Olatunde Osunsanmi who was the director of Calypso.
The Burnham vs. Burnham reminded me of Kirk fighting "himself" in Undiscovered Country. Young Burnham even says Captain Burnham might be a shape-shifter
I was a little disappointed that there was no mention of Reno (Tig Notaro) showing up to help fight off "Bucket heads" We haven't seen much of her, so far, and it was a good nod that she's still there... and as funny as ever.
There were a few downs for me, beaming a few meters from the bridge to the ready-room (lazy sods), the Krenim Chronophage, a time-eater that didn't eat time, it disrupted it (fancy word for fancy sake), punching Emerald Chain goons in the face, that's protected by a helmet (broken hand anyone?), missed opportunity for Jason Isaacs return (would've been great fan service), so-called Calypso reference (wasn't much of anything) then there was Young Burnham, she seemed way over the top (designed to show her growth as a character only).
Small correction: from the point of view of the crew, they lost several hours from one heartbeat to the next. Given that we learn that the device would have eventually exhausted its power supply and returned the ship intact to the normal flow of time (days, weeks, months, years later, who knows. Very Eeyore of them), from the perspective of those whose ships have been infected with the Krenim Chornophage, it would indeed have appear to "eat time". We just see the events of the episode from the point of view of the device itself, rather than the crew's. Imagine being in a fleet facing off against an equal sized enemy force, and suddenly half your ships vanish and reemerge a random amount of time later. You'd be wiped out with little effort or risk on the part of the enemy force. That's a devastating weapon.
I think the idea was supposed to be that Stamets' tardigrade DNA allowed him to sense the time bug when it entered engineering, rather than happening to see it.
I disagree re: airiam point at 19:12 - she knows herself and she would respond to a dire situation. With the cybernetics, I think she would think more logically and less emotional about those types of situations.
After Emperor Georgiou left Discovery in Season 3, it had been hard following Discovery thru Season 4. Now I am glad Season 5 actually has a 'Shattered'-like episode, which others also commented reminded them of 'Relativity' and 'Before and After'. Is it coincidence that all those 3 episodes came from Voyager? Which was also coincidentally the 2nd Star Trek series I watched after I finished Discovery seasons 1 and 2.
6:28 Stamets's Timey-Wimey Sense was tingling, that was fairly well telegraphed. The back of his neck prickled as the time bug skittered behind him, so he turned.
They had to mention that Lorca was somewhere else; otherwise, it would not have been plausible that he wasn't on the bridge. To meet him would have complicated everything unnecessarily. As for dressing down Rhys, while it was unpleasant, it was no down for me because it emphasized the later development of Rayner. Rayner made up for it at the end by acknowledging that Rhys' theory was correct. Burnham meeting her younger self was the latinum up for me. The scene with the younger Burnham in the engineering room was admittedly a bit much, but then again it showed Rayner's development. And it was performed beautifully by Sonequa Martin-Green.
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My Latinum up was when Stamets asks Reno about some temporal theory and she asks "Are you stuck in a Time Loop right now, Stamets" and the look of shock on his face.
I was really let down that this latinum up didn't happen, truly.
Yes!!!!
NGL, it happens so often seemingly that it should be protocol to ask when people 'suddenly have questions'. I would love to see that from both sides in Star Trek one day.
Reno and Linus are both scene stealer/makers.
That's one of my favourite lines in ST now - of course someone would ask that, it happens all the time!
If we don't' get a scene before the end of the season where Rayner "buys" Reno a drink, I'm going to be slightly annoyed.
And so will Reno
And that's a drink from James Bond. ;) That's an Easter egg!
Yes! Those two are legends and need to be at the least best buddies!
The one thing that was missing was Rayner giving Jett her well deserved drink she mentioned 😅
Agree! Was looking for that at the end!
Reno would have no memory of that conversation. It’s up to Rayner whether or not to give her that drink.
I think that would be a nice thing for them to drop in later, hell it could be on the last episode as part of a celebration.
@@thomashong2938 She does not need to remember imo, the gesture and her reaction would be gold I bet 😊
@@thomashong2938 she would remember. they said anything they did before the bug reset them wouldnt keep hense the 'one shot" cuz if they broke apart and the bug reset the breaking of the warp bubble would have been set. so since that was a previous jump it should still count.
When Burnham said to her younger self "It's been a long road" I reflexively said "Getting from there to here" out loud to myself
Rayner's speech to younger Burnham was definitely for the audience who feel like Tech Industry and nerds has rejected them.
Me too
You, my friend, were not the only one. 😁 Same here!
The second Bernham scene was necessary for Rayner’s character growth. To show that he does listen to his crew, and that he is trying to do things differently. He connected with them in a way that was atypical for him and that is what ended up saving things.
Would have loved to see lorca. He's in the captain's chair. He asks why he should believe her, she whispers about him getting back to the mirror dimensions
Like the Hail Hydra moment from Avengers Endgame, yeah that might have been a cool moment too. Still, it's always nice to see the bridge crews secondary characters get screen time.
I think next weeks episode will be in the mirror universe since they are in the right place just the wrong universe
I feel That her doing that would’ve put her younger self in danger.
I honestly think his character would have been too "big" for the episode and his presence would have distracted from everything else going on. They needed an explanation for why he wasn't on the ship when it was during an era when he was captain, and for me, the line they gave was enough.
@@jjmfrees Don't forget, killing the time bug in that phase would have undone everything they did there, so Lorca wouldn't have retained the knowledge that Burnham knew what was going on. Like the other two Doctors not being able to remember changing their personal history in Day of the Doctor.
I don’t think 2 of the downs are warranted. The first one about how rayner has a go at Rhys is kinda the whole point of the episode to teach him how to trust the crew.
The second one about mentioning Lorca is simply a point of reference if stamets would have said a year or star date i would have been lost and had no idea. By saying Lorca is in command although on an away mission tells us its somewhere in the first 6-8 months of the klingon war before the jaunt to the mirror universe.
To add to that, they really needed to mention that Lorca wasn't there, otherwise the first (and only) action of the bridge crew would have been to call the captain and let him decide. As Sean mentioned, the scene didn't entirely make sense as aired, because Michael didn't have a good way to convince the crew that she was telling the truth. If Lorca had been there, it would have been as simple as whispering to him "Long Live the Emperor!", and he'd have known she was telling the truth, and the pragmatist in him would have assisted her in saving the ship. It would have been dramatic and cool to see.
My opinion is that the scene was originally written to have Lorca in it, but Jason Issacs either wasn't available or turned the roll down. That's why we got the bridge scene we got with "who else can we bring back?"
Add an up for how Stammets keeps clearing Engineering (between the ‘I was more surly in this time’ and the disappointment that “his” staff doesn’t know that a “spore leak” isn’t a thing).
Add a down for the needlessly flashing lighting during the hallway fight - made it almost impossible to follow what was going on.
Add an up just for the shot of Grudge (we haven’t had much of the queen this season) - but I might be biased.
Yeah, they could've figured out a way to mask the Burnham double in the fight scene better than that blinking/flashing.
I want to thank you Sean, for the kind words you signed the video off with. My sweet dog lost his life this week due to heart failure and your lovely words spoken with your lovely Irish accent gave me a bit of comfort. Again, thank you kind sir.
Convincing Aerium worked for me, because it is not about how she dies, but the fact, that she will sacrifice herself for the crew and the greater good. Only someone who will have been there, can know that. It is a clear "I know somehting about you, that you have never told anyone" moment.
And let's be honest: The "You are right, this is somehting I would do." line hit harder, then expected.
I really liked this episode. We see Rayner go through some personal growth, and we’re reminded through Burnham’s earlier self, her growth. In fact, she seems to matured even more, between the 4th and 5th seasons.
Stamets *heard* the Krenim Barking Spider. He knows what his Engineering section is supposed to sound like and that thing made a lot of noise for its size.
Yes, exactly. He didn't "...happen to be looking..." at the pannel. The sound of the time bug was established by Adira earlier in the episode.
Also, he's time-sensitive because of the tardigrade DNA, as was also mentioned in this episode, so he might have just sensed the disturbance like that.
@@ArakkoaChroniclesThank you!! I knew I couldn't be the only one thinking this!
I disagree about the Airiam down. She was exhibiting a knowledge of the person in charge that only someone that had lived in that moment would know and with it knew exactly what Airiam would do in that situation. Her telling the others "She's right, that's exactly what I would do." was her letting the others know that she was telling the truth.
Michael didn't really give any real specifics. Frankly with anyone else in the room, if she had said it to them instead, would go "yeah. That's what I would do. I would die to save my crewmates even if they protested" and an imposter could have easily used that against them.
she would have known if Burnham was lying because she can be used as a polygraph, but i do believe that the crew at that time was unaware of it, because it would affect how the crew interacted with her, and she very much wanted to maintain as much human connection as possible.
No. The assessment in the video is spot on. It was incredibly lame.
@@TheEvox81 In context What burnham said was "If it should come to pass that a malicious program threatened the crew by way of herself she would do everything in her power to self terminate along with the hostile programming.
I appreciate your point, but really, ultimately, I agree with Sean, the logic doesn’t hold up.
If someone told em 4 years ago, that Discovery would do a flashback episode to Season 1, that hits an emotional nerve, I would have been very sceptical. That just shows how much the show has improved...
Why are people who clearly hate the show watching? As an African I find Americans insufferable because of this. It's why I prefer Eastern content like K-Dramas. The West went downhill because of incel shrills
What I really loved on scene with the worker is that red uniforms on that timeline are related to security and engineering. So makes all sense their dialog.
Plus, to me, that "poor young worker" would presume if someone has gotten that far onto the ship, they had passed through security. The 23rd century didn't have personal transporters, thus people couldn't just appear out of nowhere, as far as the worker knew.
The Krenim time bug had the same temporal effects in this episode as the Krenim torpedo had on Kes that time, jumping through time points.
Good catch. I imagine that may have been the inspiration for it.
Nice! I see you Voyager fan!
Which episode is this? I want to watch it now.
@@rhob2422 Before and After, Season 3, ep 21.
@@antney7745 I'm not a huge Voyager fan but over seven years, there are definitely some really great episodes and the Krenim story is definitely one of them.
Another great Episode. I love when a captain and the First Officer gets an episode to themselves. Pure skills on display, it was sooooooooooo cool seeing the Disco crew from back in the day and showing Arishem again.
I found stamets clearing engineering funny.
Spore breach. Calm retreat.
Spore breach. Calm retreat.
I'm grumpy. FLEE
I can find it in my heart to forgive them for not having the scheduling power or the money to get a guy whose name is on posters at the multiplex in for a cameo. If they couldn’t get him, I’m glad to have at least gotten a reference. Remember how excited we were when an alternate universe just barely mentioned a General Sisko? I was more surprised not to get a Pike or Spock cameo, really, but revisiting the first two seasons was neat nonetheless.
My latinum up was Stamets storming into season 1 engineering and clearing it in seconds by declaring, “I am very grumpy today.”
There’s a decent reason for the shipyard guy not to flag the uniforms, I think. There were already radically different uniforms in circulation at the point, between the blue jumpsuits and the modern colors that Pike and Enterprise had. He probably just thought the brass was getting a new uniform. I mean it’s no way to run a fleet, but they did nonetheless.
Stamets landing in the past when he’d been impaled, gotta admit that also made me laugh a horrified little laugh.
GOD YES I laughed so hard at this.
I saw this episode as very reminiscent of Voyager episodes Relativity, and Shattered. Not time loops but jumping to parts of your own past, and in the same way relying and trusting each other to have their own unique insights and experiences to complete the mission, a sum is greater than the parts kind of deal, very Trek.
Shattered is the one that came to mind for me. Revisiting the history of the show close to it's end. Loved it.
Zora asks Michael if it is really her, or "am I dreaming, again." What if Calypso was all a dream created by Zora in her grief and loneliness?
With how directly that short mirrored Homer's _Odyssey,_ that's honestly been my headcanon for years now.
No mention of Reno? Her comment about “get better helmets” should have been the latinum up!
Linus getting more screen time. Up.
And a reference to him getting sick in the replicator! I'm assuming this is a reference to his troubles in season 3 with the personal teleporter.
TBH - I was disappointed there was no Jason Isaacs cameo 😢
Same, however if they knew going in to Season 5 that it would be the last I think we would’ve had a Pike, Spock or Lorca cameo.
Issacs is too good for this
I missed Mirror Georgiou, but feel lucky MY is even willing to do a Section 31 film, considering what a megastar she’s become.
@@Yibambe. She was willing to do a Section 31 series both before and after she won her Oscar.
I would’ve liked to see Ash Tyler in the scene instead, it would’ve been willlllld!
The whole Jet Reno scene deserves an up
I did not expect them to go into the future and reference the Short Trek Calypso with Aldis Hodge.
I think that the episode that will really address Calypso will be the series finale Life, Itself. The guy who directs it also directed Calypso.
It seems that since Calypso, there have been two opposing forces in the writers' room - one wanting to connect to Calypso and one wanting to do their own thing. The original idea for the Burn and the previous reference to 'V'draysh' were clearly supposed to start a story thread connecting the two. However, they abandoned it, and this episode clearly held a reference too, but honestly, I don't think we're ever going to get anything more solid.
That said, so much time passes between the two eras. In the centuries between them, stuff happened to Zora. For some reason, she moved to the nebula, her interior was cleaned, and her hull was reverted to NCC-1031. There's nothing impossible in any of that, we just have to assume that stories happened in the intervening years to explain it. That's fine and, honestly, I'd be happy to leave it to the books to explore.
@@flancrestenterprises945 The people behind the show said that Calypso would be addressed this final season. Possibly, I think, in the next episode Mirrors. More likely, in the series finale, directed by the same guy who directed Calypso and the upcoming Section 31 streaming movie. I really doubt that there was any division in the writers room over Calypso. They created a problem when they had Discovery time jump 930 years into the future. That made Calypso look anachronistic. Craft didn’t recognize the symbols and emblems of Starfleet and the Federation but Book knew instantly what the large arrowhead symbol on Burnham’s uniform stood for. That would seem to indicate that Calypso takes place in a parallel or alternate reality/ timeline/universe. But the DSC powers that be continue to say that Calypso is in the same universe and that it takes place somehow in the 42nd or 43rd centuries. For that to happen, I would guess, the DiscoA would have to be retired to the Starfleet Museum and go through a reverse refit to restore its original appearance. And then some crew would take it away for some reason and abandon it in intergalactic space. Zora would somehow get a lobotomy and forget how she became sentient.
FYI this episode and Calypso were both written by Sean Cochran.
@thomashong2938 Yeah I heard that too, though I'm worried that by "addressed", they meant "referenced" and the most recent episode was all the referencing we'll get! Hopefully I'm wrong, but we'll see!
I'm sorry Stamins being impaled AGAIN and saying he forgot that this hurt so badly was my latinum up for the week 😂
I'm glad we're getting more Linus this season.
This episode reminded me of the Voyager episode "Shattered". In all honesty, I really thought that we gonna see either Lorca or Ash Tyler, but I'm happy it was Airiam. Up until now I still imagining what kind of upgrades she'll received in the 32nd century if she's alive.
I'm glad someone else thought the same thing about it being like shattered
This seemed like a "ship in a bottle" episode, meaning all the action took place on the ship with less exterior, expensive sets. The intrigue was sustaining and I enjoyed the story.
It was a good way to make a clip show episode without making it a clip show. But it was a lot like that Voyager Episode, where different parts of the ship existed in different times.
Shattered
Except they were all new scenes, freshly shot, just with references to the original seasons from which they came and the AR wall and sets
Or the Prodigy episode where each crew member is in a different time.
@@carschmn Or the Voyager episode Relativity. Or the Lower Decks episode Crisis Point where Mariner has to fight herself. They took elements from a lot of pretty good episodes and mashed them together, with decent results.
Too bad you didn't mention Stamets meeting Reno in engineering, and Reynar "meeting" Reno in deck 13.
For me, this show definitely need more Reno !!!
I thought this was great because whilst it did move the story in, it also was the sort of contained episode from the TNG era that we've missed
Big problem Rayner having is not accepting he is now a first officer not a captain. He finally seems to get it toward the end keeping track and knowing the crew is part of being 1st officer.
I'm downing this week's ups and downs for not giving Reno and Stamitz ups! They were great this week.
I loved this episode, surprised you were so harsh on it!
It wasn't just that he happened to be looking at the right wall at the right time as it was that he had heard the little critter skittering up said wall and was looking in the direction of the noise. ~Chris
I want you all to know that I look forward to these Ups and Downs videos just as much as the actual Star Trek episodes! You all do a wonderful job on them!
Ironically enough this was probably my favorite episode of the season. It also felt very similar to Relativity from Voyager which is probably why I liked it so much.
I thought this was one of the cleverest "clip show" episodes thst I can recall, for any show honestly. Awesome spin, DISCO
This and episode 3 feel like they should be watched Together. I waited until this episode came out to watch episode 3, and they pair together soooooooooo incredibly well and shows how they are building Rayner up each episode.
8/10
I actually thought the whole Airiam thing worked really well and was very moving. I did pick up on the fact though that they got Hannah Cheesman back to play her. I can’t remember the exact reason (possibly not liking the makeup), but they changed actors between Seasons 1 & 2. Sara Mitich was originally Airiam in Season 1 but then switched to playing Nilsson and we got that touching but sneaky meta scene where Nilsson replaced Airiam on the Bridge after she died. Hannah Cheesman played Airiam in Season 2. So, I’m guessing they asked her to play Season 1 Airiam in this episode.
Secondly, a couple of Cetacean Observations in one scene. When Burnham and Rayner go back to the construction of Discovery, the two light panels either side of the gap in the bulkhead are unusually pulsing upwards in sequence. I thought this looked very much like those light columns/conduits around DS9’s Ops, which used to either have white pulses going up, during normal functions, or red pulses going down, during a red alert. I don’t know if this was an intentional nod on Discovery, but I just noted the similarity as they don’t normally do that.
The other Observation was the fact the ship’s being built near the Golden Gate Bridge. That must mean it’s in the “San Francisco Fleet Yards”, which I swear is exactly where the original TOS Enterprise was built (it says so on the dedication plaque on the Bridge). So, that’s another neat connection between the two 23rd century ships.
Lastly, I loved the two Reno scenes, especially her asking Stamets if he’s stuck in a time loop!😂 But, the second appearance, during the takeover by Osyraa, is a neat Easter Egg that rectifies a complaint some fans had back when that originally happened. Reno’s seen on Discovery before Osyraa took control but is then weirdly absent throughout the entire takeover episode arc and everyone’s trying to retake the ship. She then suddenly simply reappears after everything’s back to normal, as if she’d been there the whole time. Obviously, the off-screen reason’s probably that Tig Notaro wasn’t available to shoot any of the scenes with Tilly and the others originally. But, at least this week’s episode now shows she WAS on the ship during the takeover and was actually doing her own solo thing, running around the ship trying to stay alive and safe.👍
Sara Mitich became allergic to the makeup.
Are you even going to talk about the three BEST scenes in the entire episode? Two of which involve Tig Notaro's engineer Reno, and the third when Stamets clears the room by telling everyone he needs his space, then says he was a different person before the tardigrade DNA? There should be at least 3 more "Ups" on your list... This episode was so much fun!
Timeclone and two different types of temporal loops.
Rayner having to see that Burnhams collaborative approach did in fact work made a lot of sense. His way has worked for him for years, he can't just be told to do things another way, he has to see that it works.
Stamets seemed to be going a bit different, not resetting to the exact spot like Burnham and Rayner... but he was brought into it in a different way.
Seeing Detmer face down on her console with her eyes open; spooks me every time
I don’t think the scene with Burnham in engineering was unnecessary. It was my first thought when the scene started but as it went on I saw that while the scene was good for S1 Burnham, it was necessary for Rayner, to be able to reach her of all people was very important for his character
The future jump was not a reference to Calypso. The crew and federation were killed in the ensuing war with the Breen and their Progenitor weapons, that's not the same future as we saw in Calypso, plus they undid the time bug and as long as they retain the Progenitor tech and Moll and L'ak don't get it to sell on, that future they just saw won't happen at all. At this point I'm seeing the short trek Calypso as more a "what if" episode rather than a future episode, maybe one where they hide the ship/sphere data rather than continue to use it.
The Que Sera Sera future happened, just not in their timeline. 3218 Zora doesn’t get to see her crew come back to life. Her Burnham and her Rayner never went through time jumps. Her Stamets did but likely never saw the time bug and didn’t know what was happening to him.
You missed the fact that the title of the episode seems to be a David Bowie reference.
"Turn and face the strange" from Changes.
When they went 30 years into the future to the barren ship, I observed the frost (or perhaps dust) on the window. I immediately said "Timeless" in reference to the Voyager episode
What? No love for how Tig Notaro pulled off "she knows, or does she?" with Reno's comment to Stamets?
I disagree with the Lorca down. He had to be the captain given where the story needed Past Burnham to be in her arc. But if he was on the ship and someone claiming to be Captain Burnham from the future arrived on the bridge, it would have been criminal to not immediately interrupt whatever he was currently doing. So by having him, chief of security and Saru off the ship, it gives Ariam the authority she needs to be able to go with Burnham’s plan, whatever you think about her logic later.
The Burnham fight scene between the older and younger versions, along with the resolution to the fight, deserved the Latinum Up for this week, imho.
You completely missed the point of the scene with Arriam. It's not the fact that Burnham tells her how she's going to die that makes her believe. It's the sincerity and the showing that Butnham knows Arriam and the choice that she would make to save her crewmates. Not "Oh I know you're going to die in 3 weeks". Come on, please read between the lines a little bit!
The down about the fact that Airiam trusts her after she is told how she will die, I disagree with that. She is cybernetically augmented and is a being of knowledge of what she would do in that extreme situation. She would absolutely sacrifice herself in order to protect her family on Discovery.
Your down on Airiam is flawed.... It wasn't about convincing her because of the death, it was about proving she knows her at a psychological level nobody did at that time (underhanded acknowledgement of poor character development?)
Totally agree. Sean gets a down.
I was a bit confused at the end when the crew knew what happened in the past. I thought they retained their memories of Captain Burnham giving them instructions. Burnham told them the story off screen.
This was the best episode of the season so far.
I really enjoyed this episode, Relativity is one of my favorite episodes and loved how it felt like a nod towards it.
I disagree with the first down for Rayner. Yes he did shut Rhys down abruptly, but that also leads in to his character development and growth, and shows he's lerning to adapt because near the end of the episode, he conceides Rhys was correct and credits him.
Cogratz on 300k subscribers. You deserve it. Great TH-cam channel.
Can’t believe you never gave a nod to the Ian Fleming/James Bond reference/easter egg. Vesper Martini anyone? 🤣
Now I feel like a pakled
@@bemasaberwyn55that’s not a good place to be. Would a stiff drink help? Maybe a martini? 😂
@@CraigieBhoy Maybe some mushfruit wine?
@@Sephiroth144I don’t know where you are in the world, but it’s Monday 9:45am here. Bit early, even for a Scotsman! 🤣
@@CraigieBhoy "It's 5 o'clock somewhere!"
I cannot believe, in all your summary, you skipped both of Reno's awesome scenes. For shame, Sean, for shame!
I loved this ep--the only thing that would have made it better would have been a third Reno scene at the end, who had put it all together based on her memory of Stemmets acting weird and meeting Reyner out of sequence, and waited patiently for the time shenanigans to resolve themselves so she could get her drink order in.
Blaring omission. Reno is always the best part of the episodes. Lol
Like the rest of the crew, Reno would have no memory of what had happened once everything was reset back to normal.
@@thomashong2938 That memory erase only happened because they crushed the bug--if they hadn't, the events of that time period would have crystalized at the next reset. Ergo--if I understand the wacky Trek time travel logic--everything that happened in all previous loops actually altered the timeline (albeit in inconsequential ways). If this were pre-32nd century, Starfleet's time cops would almost certainly be paying Discovery a visit to clean up the little glitches they introduced.
@@ematuskey Captain Braxton, Agent Daniels and their colleagues would be far too busy cleaning up the huge mess left behind by the Temporal Wars to bother with the 32nd century.
The Discovery in Calypso is probably a version of the ship that didn't travel to the 32nd Century. There was probably a duplication of Discovery as it went through thee wormhole, like with Voyager in Deadlock.
I disagree with the Ariam down completely. It wasn’t that she convinced her that she died. It’s the fact that the absolutely only way she would give up her life is for that exact circumstance is why she is convinced.
The scene between Reno and Rayner should have gotten an up.
Best part of the episode!
it is gonna take a bit longer to see rainer as anything other than the metoo cylon
great actor. he managed to be the scariest dude in all of bsg and that is a feat.
as for ayriam (sp?) it isnt about logic- it is about empathy. she is basically telling this lady she is the bravest person on disco. that reaonates
The scene in engineering was required in order to show that both the Captain & first officer truly understand each other. 17:32
17:40 Right there, that's the moment, yeah. She said it.
It has been a long road. 😅🥰
Yeah, most beloved opening song.
Small weird thing - I loved the hand reference (however stretched) to TNG time jumps.
Wow! I think this is the first time I have to disagree with you bud. I absolutely loved this episode. Take it as a major "UP" from me that we finally disagree!
Missing scene from when they first got to the 32nd century:
"Hey we finally fixed that thing where the transporter kills you and makes a copy, you actually just get transported now!"
"..."
I miss the days of an actual walk of shame from the bridge into the ready room.
Yeah, I was like, just use the door. They still have doors don't they?🤨
HUGE down for me, maybe even Trellium. But, then I guess we wouldn't have gotten our little transport that kept Burnham and Rayner out of the loop.
@@susanscott8653The ready room on Discovery is one deck above the bridge. In Season 2, Pike didn’t like Lorca’s old ready room and abandoned it for a bigger space upstairs.
The hand thing was great. It was a quiet communication between them.
Airiam made sense. If Rayner hadn't said what he did on the bridge, then he and Michael would not have been together. Plus it gave him time to see how he was wrong.
Plus, no love for Reno in this video?
An instant Trek classic! By the time the credits rolled, I knew I had watched something special and would eventually be watching the episode again and again. Like the feeling after watching Yesterday's Enterprise, Far Beyond the Stars and Those Old Scientists.
Equal to Yesterday's Enterprise?!? SMH 🙄
This guy is on drugs
I 💯 agree!
Oof you’re off your nut, this was a phone it episode
I think you missed the reference in the episode title “Face the Strange”. It references David Bowie’s “Changes”.
Turn and face the strange
Ch-ch-changes
There's gonna have to be a different man
Time may change me
But I can't trace time
There were a few oddities and things u didn't love in the episode, but I liked it. Disco isn't perfect but it's bold and I like that
I think the Aryum scene works for yrust because Burnham tells her she will sacrifice herself, no one else would know she'd do so. Thats how she convinced her.
I'm surprised that this episode didn't get more ups, brother Seán. This was damned good Trek, top to bottom. I don't disagree with your downs, well, except the Ariam down. Dude, that's harsh! But I thought this was one of the strongest episodes of the series, not just the season. God bless from the Ozarks!
You say "the Breen somehow came into control of the Progenitor technology". They clearly stated in the episode that is that version of time Mol and Lak sold them the technology. They were the highest bidder. It's not just "somehow". They clearly said what happened.
And as much as you go on about how the Short Treks weren't ever alluded to again, I expected you to get much more excited about them showing to that.
I disagree with your down regarding Lorca... They previously referenced the time jumps, with who was captain at that stardate. It makes legit sense.
I always enjoy watching the up and down videos, and it's always the first thing I want to do after watching an episode of Trek.. BUT sometimes I feel you over analyse for the sake of analysing.
I thought it was a great and enjoyable episode without going any deeper than what it was. An enjoyable episode of Trek.
Thanks for excellent content Linus! You know, there are no shortage of reviewers breaking episodes down, but there are NONE who do as awesome as you do at comments within the actual context of the story itself. Like, for example, your discussion of the Captain correcting Rayner. Pure mastery. Thanks for being really good at your art! Please keep it UP! 😊
It was so cool seeing Season 1 Burnham fighting Season 5 Burnham, and possibly getting where calypso takes place during an alternate timeline.
No, it really doesn’t. Only 30 or so years had passed not 1000. Zora recognized both Burnham and Rayner. The answer to the Calypso Short Trek will either happen in the next episode Mirrors or, more likely, in the series finale Life, Itself that is directed by Olatunde Osunsanmi who was the director of Calypso.
The Burnham vs. Burnham reminded me of Kirk fighting "himself" in Undiscovered Country. Young Burnham even says Captain Burnham might be a shape-shifter
The point of Book was that he took his shirt off. That was surely worth an 'Up'.
“Wibbly wobbly” and “buggy wuggy” are two phrases that need to be said more often during ups and downs cuz…why not? 😂
This kind of reminded me of Voyagers episode "shattered" with all the time jump.
I was a little disappointed that there was no mention of Reno (Tig Notaro) showing up to help fight off "Bucket heads" We haven't seen much of her, so far, and it was a good nod that she's still there... and as funny as ever.
Scenes between Stammets, Rino, and Rayner should have gotten ups. Rino knew.... they knew and they were like I get it man, carry on. Loved it.
I don't think you mentioned at the end where Reyner gives Reese proper credit for the idea he shot down eariler
There were a few downs for me, beaming a few meters from the bridge to the ready-room (lazy sods), the Krenim Chronophage, a time-eater that didn't eat time, it disrupted it (fancy word for fancy sake), punching Emerald Chain goons in the face, that's protected by a helmet (broken hand anyone?), missed opportunity for Jason Isaacs return (would've been great fan service), so-called Calypso reference (wasn't much of anything) then there was Young Burnham, she seemed way over the top (designed to show her growth as a character only).
Small correction: from the point of view of the crew, they lost several hours from one heartbeat to the next. Given that we learn that the device would have eventually exhausted its power supply and returned the ship intact to the normal flow of time (days, weeks, months, years later, who knows. Very Eeyore of them), from the perspective of those whose ships have been infected with the Krenim Chornophage, it would indeed have appear to "eat time". We just see the events of the episode from the point of view of the device itself, rather than the crew's.
Imagine being in a fleet facing off against an equal sized enemy force, and suddenly half your ships vanish and reemerge a random amount of time later. You'd be wiped out with little effort or risk on the part of the enemy force. That's a devastating weapon.
I think the idea was supposed to be that Stamets' tardigrade DNA allowed him to sense the time bug when it entered engineering, rather than happening to see it.
I'm pretty sure he heard it, like Adira did.
This episode reminds me a lot of the Voyager episode, "Shattered"...
I disagree re: airiam point at 19:12 - she knows herself and she would respond to a dire situation. With the cybernetics, I think she would think more logically and less emotional about those types of situations.
After Emperor Georgiou left Discovery in Season 3, it had been hard following Discovery thru Season 4. Now I am glad Season 5 actually has a 'Shattered'-like episode, which others also commented reminded them of 'Relativity' and 'Before and After'. Is it coincidence that all those 3 episodes came from Voyager? Which was also coincidentally the 2nd Star Trek series I watched after I finished Discovery seasons 1 and 2.
I really hated the way this episode started but by the time Airiam appeared I was pretty locked in.
6:28 Stamets's Timey-Wimey Sense was tingling, that was fairly well telegraphed. The back of his neck prickled as the time bug skittered behind him, so he turned.
“I’m a Golden Gate Bridge fan”
-Me, who is visiting family atm in San Francisco: Me too!
They had to mention that Lorca was somewhere else; otherwise, it would not have been plausible that he wasn't on the bridge. To meet him would have complicated everything unnecessarily. As for dressing down Rhys, while it was unpleasant, it was no down for me because it emphasized the later development of Rayner. Rayner made up for it at the end by acknowledging that Rhys' theory was correct. Burnham meeting her younger self was the latinum up for me. The scene with the younger Burnham in the engineering room was admittedly a bit much, but then again it showed Rayner's development. And it was performed beautifully by Sonequa Martin-Green.
You leave out grudge and the two appearances of Reno
In germany this episode ia called "Die Zeitspinne" it means The Timespider i guess
I love how German just piles words on top of each other until it means what is meant