The Mandalorian is Connecting Snoke and Sequel Trilogy - Nerd Theory
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- Welcome back to Nerd Theory! This week let's talk about how The Mandalorian Season 2 is explaining Snoke and the Sequel Trilogy. I believe we saw Snoke in the latest Mandalorian Season 2 episode, where in my breakdown I explained how Moff Gideon, per Dr. Pershing's holo message, said he needs the blood of The Child to conduct more experiments. These experiments could be to create a force sensitive being, or to resurrect Palpatine himself...or...to bring Snoke to life.
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Big fan of these people, :and I respect everything Josh and Theory speak about Star Wars, I know they love talking about it
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Well this was unexpected
My guy I totally disagree with the not caring about Mando anymore. This show will always be his and The Child’s. I think he holds his own on screen against characters like Bo and Ahsoka. And his arc is interesting (learning a different way of mandalore and becoming a “Dad”) he’s my favourite Star Wars character. Why are people jumping ship on the main character when big characters return for literally one episode.
I completely agree. He still steals every scene
They are jumping ship because he is a boring main character being overshadowed by Baby Yoda, Bo-Katan, Boba Fett and fucking Ahsoka. It’s almost impossible to view him as the main character when you turn him into a full time babysitter and then introduce characters that are infinitely bigger than him. He naturally fades into irrelevance in the eyes of the audience and it’s 100% because of the writing. For his character arc to improve he needs to be released from the burden of being Baby Yodas babysitter because we’ve seen how sick he is when he isn’t being a babysitter which is what we actually want to see.
@@TXNIZ hate to break it to you but the relationship between them is a big part of the show. And Baby Yoda is equally a main character next to Din Djarin they are a clan of two after all and the show is called the mandalorian referring to both of them and I can tell you he’s not a badly written character or overshadowed imo.
@@amf0078 without the insertion of baby Yoda, Din Djarin is actually interesting. The Mandalorian is in reference to HIM, not baby Yoda so don’t even try that. This is his story from his perspective but it’s being lost. Although we love Baby Yoda, he is a symbol of cuteness meant to distract viewers from realising that he is actually burdening the main character. Din does not intend to be a father to him, his mission is to deliver him to the Jedi. Why don’t we get any flashbacks now ? Why don’t we know anything more about Din and his journey becoming a Mando ? Where has his sect gone ? Is he in contact with them ? Is the armourer a former follower of Maul ? Why wasn’t the interaction with him and Bo-Katan longer and more in depth ? Why didn’t they have an actual discussion about Mandalorian shit ? This is sub par writing. Episode 2 this season was the dumbest episode ever and could have been used to do deepen Din’s character and flesh out more of his story so we remain interested in THE MANDALORIAN but no they did ice spiders, a frog person and Dave Filoni in an x wing becaues filler smh.
I think that has alot to do with the very actor who plays that character, and his "political" antics on social media lately.
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Hell Yeah! Big fan of both you guys
Hey Theory, don’t let them get you down. I went through similar situations from kids when I was in high school. To the point I pretended to hate everything Star Wars and sci-fi because I thought it would get people off my back and not feel like that “weird Star Wars kid that sits alone at lunch.” I felt so terrible about it until I found your channel a little while after I graduated. Dude, your theories and genuine love of Star Wars inspired me and made me fall in love with the series again like I did when I was a kid! Thank you so much man, your channel changed my life and made me feel confident in my love of anything Star Wars and sci-fi. Please don’t quit youtube. I guarantee there’s others like me in the comments who have similar stories!
Getting hyped for Friday, and its Monday night! I guess it's ok being excited early lol:) 👍😂
Same
Definitely something to look forward too!
Dont wish your life away, theres pleny of awesome things you can be doing through this week up until Friday comes.
Tuesday now bro one day closer😭
@@Whendeesle That is very true my man
Kathleen has done amazing things in the world of film, but she really screwed the pooch with the sequel trilogy and honestly she does carry most of the blame. They should've either took George's ideas to heart or atleast took an extra year to really nail down a good, concrete story instead of just winging it.
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Well i think all it proves is that on her own Kennedy truly is no visionary creative mind. She only really amounts to the kind of tea person, it sounds horrible to say but i think thats really it. She just helped manage the true visionaries while they worked on the masterpieces they created, such as JP and Indie films.
When she was given all this power and control for herself Kathleen Kennedy really kind of became arrogant. Look at that "The Force Is Female" Nike Campaign, that got totally missconstrued and made to look like somekind of heavy Feminist Campaign in general (i mean maybe it was). It is a example of Kennedy's incompetence.
Even with this The Mandalorian Tv Series, Favreau was the one who came up with it and pitched his idea to Kennedy, and she simply green-lit it, and she was even told to not interfere with the show at all for risk of hurting it in some way.
All her decisions on each of these Disney Star Wars movies have been questionable with her swapping out directors pretty much at the last minute. Only TLJ went ahead without any hiccups, cause strangely Rian and Kennedy shared the same views, and then look just how "divisive" that movie turned out to be.
Kathleen Kennedy proves that while Women can be given the power to run such big Studios and Divisions within a huge Company, they have to be the right Women.
Agreed. I think the fault is rushing it. If your idea is to get 3 different directors with different styles that's fine, but you have to have 1 cohesive story for them to execute. I think we're a little spoiled in the age of the MCU because Fiege has done such a good job with orchestrating a single vision over 20+ movies, with multiple directors, stories, and cast. But I think you had JJ write a script for 7 with an ending in mind for 9, and Johnson comes in and does what he wants to do in 8, and instead of having someone new finish it off in 9 playing on the end of 8, I think that could have worked. But JJ came back and basically was like that's not the story I wanted so I'll just finish it how I wanted to.
She mostly did adminstrative tasks like securing locations.... Something literally anyone can do. KK is the classic example of failing-up mediocrity.
Name one thing that she did. She is not a creative type. She has no mind for it. Her talents are more organizational and political which have their place but she insisted on having creative control which she had no business doing. The sequels are an absolute mess and its because of her terrible leadership. How can you just wing it without having an overall story completed before going into production?? Thats the most basic thing that any one of us would have made sure happened. She sucks.
I don't know if The Mandalorian will have some connection to the sequel trilogy in some way. After all, they did say that they'll somehow show the origins of The First Order long before the show aired on Disney Plus. I'm still not sure, but overall, I'd like to see Ahsoka in the next episode but it'll be pretty sad if Mando gives away Baby Yoda to Ahsoka.
Besides Ashoka being a badass! I see her as a mentor and mostly a babysitter to the chid. Someone who mando can leave with and go anywhere he wants without baggage..
I don't see them connecting them at all. I think there just throwing in subtle Easter eggs or something. For the backlash they got for sequels I don't see them touching it.
Palpatine kills Plagueis (Snoke) and make his Clones. Before he died he made a plan if someone kills him the Empire (first order) will have to resurrect him with the help of the snoke clones (execute order 1). He didnt know that he will need a blood of a jedi or a sith to work because something was wrong with the first clones. So for first Snoke clones they need a doner blood. They tried it with Baby Yoda but it s to small so they will need someone else... meybe Ahsoka blood?
So they Successfully make first Snoke (We see him in the sequels) and from the first Snoke they make new clones that blood is full of Midiclorians. So with Clones of Snoke and blood they can now resurrect Palpatine and fuels him with Blood (We see that in Rise of the Skywalker)
So Mando will give Baby Yoda to Ahsoka and they wil return him to the planet of Yoda's.
Ahsoha will help Mando liberate Mandalore but Empire will capture her and they will make Snoke with Ahsoka blood.
With the amount of money and views baby yoda alone brings in I doubt they would get rid of him. He's def part of the show for good now I bet
@@johnblue341 I agree, you speak sense dude, i just dont think they would risk doing something like that not when the fanbase has been "united" together in this show. And i do want to believe there are some Sequel fans who luv the Mandalorian too.
And while those fan would like it if they showed a connection, those of us who didnt like the Sequels, would loose interest here, so it would only drive things back to a division.
While The Mando is doing great as it is, better to just ignore the Sequels.
I hope it’s not connecting to the Disney sequel trilogy Mandalorian will be dead to me if it is I freaking hated it
Lol same I don’t want freaking Rey and stupid snoke
Well get ready then because that's EXACTLY what they're doing. "You'll be well rewarded in the New Order *cough* *cough*", X-Wing pilot talking about "something's happening out here, the core worlds don't want to believe it" with the Resistance march playing in the background. Snoke clones in tanks and protocol droids teaching children how Coruscant is no longer the capital of the galaxy... yeah... I'm fascinated how people do not realize what they did in that episode. Mandalorian is already dead and this week they'll drag down Ashoka with the rest of the shitfest
Blame JJ theory, you don’t make A movie without Luke Han and Leia on one last adventure.
Exactly, we can never let them forget this.
Amen to that brotha. And not even having the gang fly in the Millennium Falcon 1 last time either?? They coulda had the WHOLE crew back together again, they had every opportunity! Lando, Luke, Leia, Han, C-3PO, Chewy and R2! C'mon now! Now it's too late, even if they ever reboot the ST, it won't be the same since....🥺🥺🥺😭😭😤😤😤
This is what still to this day baffles me
@ A-Train the Analog Kid JJ was trying to get Luke, Han, & Leia together in the same scene. Kennedy was the one who kept rejecting that. I've read JJ's treatments for 8 and 9 that he wrote in 2014. Episode 9 opened with a sequence where Luke, Han, Leia, & Ben Solo were defending Luke's Jedi Academy from Snoke and The Knights of Ren.
JJ Abrams Episode 8 (April 2014)
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JJ Abrams Episode 9 (May 2014)
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In my opinion JJ doesn't get all the blame, ep 7 wasn't the most offensive of the sequels and ep 9 was trying to pick up the pieces of the train wreck that was ep 8. Maybe JJ didn't make the best decisions but I wouldn't give him the majority of the blame
I'd hate if they link anything with the sequel trilogy.
Same i really dont want them to go there, i think it will ultimately lead to the death of the show. Cause once majority of fans see that if they actually do this, these fans will just stop watching The Mandalorian and the viewing figures will decline. And if Disney hardly have anyone watching the show they will cancel it like they did Resistance.
This podcast is so good because it just seemed really chilled and there isn't any yelling at people if they like the sequels/have an opinion about anything.
It feels like very civilised place to chill out
Omg i feel so much like both of you!! I like that they’re “justifying” the sequels. But i wish they’d ignore it in total but the damage is done. Please keep collaborating your concepts den of nerds is new to me but im open to him debating and relating with you. Im still SWT Ride or die baby
Yeah i feel that why should a great show like The Mandalorian even be tasked with having to fix the Sequels anyway? The showrunners have to be careful if they're truly going there, cause alot of fans who hate the Sequels (such as myself) luv this show cause its been a breath of fresh air for us fans, and allowed us to forget about the Sequels entirely and look forward for new things for the franchise.
Theory you bring so much joy to so many people! if you stop for your own well being so be it. Be happy but you are loved by a lot of fans that can't even voice their opinions so well and eloquently
It’s not the clone wars guys. It’s the Mandalorian. About the Mandalorian. I wouldn’t expect some crazy Snoke/Palpatine stuff. The show is much smaller scale.
I honestly love this podcast, and how it's a mix of star wars stuff and then goes off onto deep human experience stuff man. Always gonna look forward to these streams. Love it.
This podcast is amazing it has everything you need for your day talking Star Wars and discussions about our day to day problems very therapeutic
absolutely love this podcast, really keep this up as these make my days so much better theory. and please remember that there are always more people that love you however the hateful make the most noise. Keep It Up!
The Sequels can’t be redeemed. It basically made the 6 first movies VOID. Anakin is not the chosen One and he didn’t even kill Sidious (destroy the Sith). They also made Luke a coward who wanted to Murder his cousin. Made Solo a deadbeat dad. Made Leia into a total failure. Then made Rey the most powerful force user of ALL TIME with zero training.
I completely agree with your statement; however, Anakin is INDEED the chosen one and brought balance to the force. I despise the sequels for ruining Star wars, but they even mention Anakin claiming he brought balance to the force. Anakin was, and will always be the chosen one; not that Mary sue.
Typical guy in the internet Rey is OP:
Rey: fucking dies in episode 9.
Re: Snoke in Mando.
The snoke music was also used in ROTS opera scene, which is why everyone thought he was plagueis.
Also skulls form from the back which leaves a join running down the front of the skull so if it doesn't form properly, there will be a bad join on the face. Commonly here, it causes a cleft pallette. The novel Darth Plagueis explains what happens to folks trying to cheat the force in this way.
Love the stream, guys.
Josh is much more reasonable here. The Clone Wars made the prequels better. The Mandalorian can do that for the sequels, while still being a great standalone show.
It can't though, because nothing Mandalorian could do will change the characters of Rey and Finn, will make the New Republic any less incompetent, and make Palpatine returning - nullifying Anakin's sacrifice and role as the chosen one - any less stupid.
Sorry, those things are forever bad
I think we should be optimistic and say it can make it better but not fix it.
@@TFedits85 so true. The prequels had an amazing story to tell yet the writing just wasn’t solid for the first 2 films. This made it easy for Dave Filioni to add to the prequels with great writing. However the sequels have a shit story with shitty characters with decently written movies. Trying to connect the story with the mandolorian will be a huge mistake that drives viewers away from watching it. At this point, great writing will do jack shit for the sequels because the story is so horrendous.
@@TFedits85 FACT. Forever bad.
@@zackkuzma314 No one is gonna stop watching the Mandalorian just because they expand the story. Lol.
Theory, I’m sorry you have to deal with asshole comments and people disrespecting you but let’s be clear those aren’t FANS of the channel. Your fans love and support you bro, for us you’re our escape from the everyday bullshit life throws our way. Your videos allow me to forget about the stress of work, bills and seriously help with my depression. There have been dark days for me when the only thing that kept me from losing my shit was binging your videos. So please don’t stop, don’t give up and don’t give into these assholes. I promise for every asshole on here there’s 20 of us that love you.
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Coming to these podcasts every Monday really does help me escape from the shit reality I'm in at the moment , I wanna thank you guys so friken much for doing this
It's not Snoke. They are cloned Dark Trooper subjects! The subtitles in the episode even give it away.
It's not snoke i agree, But i dont know about the Dark Troopers
Ikr people are so oblivious
Yeah. I Agee it is not snoke. I really hope this isn’t the technology that justifies the terrible ST. They are risking losing viewers. If anyone can improve the sequels it is filoni but I just think too much damage was done
I honestly do hope that the sequel trilogy gets tied in. Because when they did that with the prequels it made that trilogy and era so much deeper and richer. Also I love the Last Jedi for its defiance of fan culture and theory/leak culture which I think was starting to get out of hand. Rian Johnson managed to genuinely surprise fans at a time when that was almost impossible. And he did while making meaningful commentary and additions to the mythos and themes of the saga. TLJ will forever be in my top 3.
The sequels just needed one moment. Even a quick 15 second scene where Luke, Han, and Leia got to reunite and show their classic dynamic. It could have even been in the middle of a battle where there isn't much time to catch up
Yep, and the Sequels would have actually been looked on more favorably, but we didnt even get that.
JJ's original Episode 9 opened with a flashback of Luke, Han, Leia, & Ben Solo working together to defend Luke's Jedi Academy from Snoke & The Knights of Ren.
@@under_score3829 Well i've not heard that before, and the comics went a slightly different route, but if JJ has that down somewhere in his notes, he must be kicking himself that he didnt include it. This is the main problem when you withhold too much info for sake of your "Mystery Box Storytelling."
@@RaikenXion No, Kennedy made him cut it. JJ was trying to get them together and Kennedy was trying to keep them apart. Even in TFA JJ was trying to include more information but Lawrence Kasdan kept convincing him to cut stuff.
@@under_score3829 Well JJ should have just been his own man and stood by his "creative ideas", and as for this flashback, JJ still had a chance to get that in if he corresponded with Rian, and asked him to include such a scene at some point in Rian's TLJ.
Rian asked JJ if he could alter certain things, he wanted to kill off Snoke cause he had no clue what to do with him and JJ allowed it, and Rian wanted to change the positioning of Kylo's scar and JJ even allowed that.
JJ Abrams problem is hes too much of a "Mystery Box Director", hes obsessed with his mystery boxes! And hes more of a hack director than anything else, he just left it to someone else to fill in the blanks and was shocked when Rian did the opposite.
At end of the day all 3 - Kennedy, JJ and Rian are ultimately to blame for how the Sequels turned out.
I love your streams. Thank you for everything you put into this, guys.
The baby was not in the empires hand's in episode 1. They hired Mando
Ahsoka talking to Yoda's force ghost in live action would be great.
Do we really need an explanation for Snoke? He was a diet stand in Palpatine who got killed one week into the war and was revealed to be a Meat Puppet made by real Palpatine. I really don’t think we need to see the Empire attempting to make him or whatever, just assume Palps did it and go read the comic showing that if you really care.
seeing Mark Hamill reprise his role as Luke teaching younglings would be joy.
or sebastian stan as luke?
Don’t listen to the haters man. They are insecure people who have nothing better to do then hate on people who are successful. Keep doing what you’re doing
I've always thought that the best way of fleshing out the sequels would be to rebrand them as Episodes X, XI and XII and do a new trilogy for Episodes VII, VIII and IX. So this new trilogy would be a sequel to the OT, but also a prequel to the sequels. It could give fans a chance to see their favorite characters in their prime again, could even keep the likes of Alden Ehrenreich and Donald Glover from Solo. We could see Palpatine's survival, the fall of Ben Solo etc really fleshed out. If you want to include legends characters, you could even have Luke be with Mara Jade, who discovers that Palpatine is alive but is killed before being able to warn Luke, sending Luke into depression and making him more susceptible to mistakes such as contemplating killing Ben.
Omg the whole Mara Jade dying causing his depression would FIX it for me! Like it would add so much context to him going to the island to die, proving why the jedi didn’t allow attachment, it broke Anakin and it would break Luke
@@QuackDuck17 that would be still shit, simply because it would be justifying something shit
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Theory how do we send in resume or what are you looking for when hiring people for the channel?
Love your podcasts.
This got deep. Is there an audio version of this podcast somewhere??
@58:54 SWT's face and response is lol hilarious! "Who Cares?!? He gave zero s#!&'s about it! Literally great!
Watch Disney wreck this amazing show by trying to connect it to the failed sequel trilogy.
I doubt it considering Dave Filoni is in charge of this show. But again, I wouldn't be surprised if they somehow intervened and messed up this beautiful masterpiece of a show thus far.
@@hefrov10 Erm Jon Favreau! Filloni is his second in command and co-writer shm
Yep, i dont want to believe it, i want to keep thinking that Favreau is doing something clever and simply making Disney (and Kennedy) think they are connecting up to thier dismal Sequel Trilogy.
But if it does actually happen, just watch me and over a million others walk away from this show, then the viewing figures will decline and thats when Disney will be scratching their heads.
Take some happy chill pills peeps!! Xx
@@RaikenXion You’re correct; however, Dave Filoni should be in charge of most Star Wars content considering George Lucas trained him.
Wow knowing Kathleen actually did all that defuses the disdain i had for her. She definitely made the right move with Filoni for sure. Me-sa lika dis. Maybe, we-sa being friends.
Were too JADED theory. Nothing can ever "FIX IT", short of a new ST
Exactly this what happens when a director straight out copies a original work, and doesnt even try to inject one new "original" idea of his own.
You just cant FIX something thats been copied from something else.
Yeah, Fuck Snoke and the Sequel trilogy. They get too involved in connecting the sequel trilogy to any of the new stuff and I'll drop 'em. I have zero interest in the sequel trilogy or anything connected to it.
Great team up. You 2 work well together.
Couldn’t they “fix” the sequel trilogy Luke by making him a clone? That would explain his emotional state and change in character. Maybe they could come up with a good reason why the original Luke wasn’t around.
No, we need to stop this explaining of the bullshit plot lines thing that we do as fans. They fucked up the great Luke Skywalker and that mistake will live on forever and will never ever be undone.
@@TXNIZ i disagree. The whole current Star Wars universe is built off of different things being not what they seem. A prime example of this is Boba Fett actually returning in live action, even though he’s been presumed dead since the 80’s. There’s nothing wrong with potentially changing Luke, if done right
no dude
Nothing can save this trash. I was really hoping they would cancel this trilogy by making some kind of multiverse.
@@KingGorillaGamingForLife they already changed him, the entire TLJ movie is heretic blasphemy against Luke Skywalker. You can’t “fix” it by saying that it was somehow an imposter clone version of Luke because that same Luke turned into a fucking force ghost. So bad.
I think I heard somewhere that the whole reason Ahsoka was sent to Anakin to be his padowan was because she was way more powerful than others her age and they hoped he could do better in handling her, so she may very well have a pretty high "M-count"
I dont believe it's snoke or connecting to the sequels, check out eckharts ladder tweets and video its pretty convincing
Pretty sure Battle of Jakku happened a few years before Mando
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I really believe these are exciting times for starwars, missteps have been made but there's definitely a course correction being put into place.
On a personal note, if there's a reverence shown to the Asoka character ie #season7clonewars and gravitas incorporated during the rest of the season then they seem to be on the right track.
Can't revise or redo the sequel trilogy but fleshing it out, attempting to provide that soulless fodder some form of depth and relevance can only hold well for the future...
I love these guys!! Keep the podcasts going!!!
Thank you for talking about Cal
now they cant erase the sequel trilogy damn it
That was never gonna happen, bud.
@@seanwilliams9168 don’t have to erase the sequels. Just make them an alternative timeline
They aren’t confirming snoke. People really need to pay more attention to what is said in the holo recording.
@@seanwilliams9168 wish they can
@@steveno7058 yeah like a bad dream of crappy writing
@StarWarsTheory - Siri is going off occasionally when you read a chat that begins "Hey Theory...." she is mistakenly thinking you are saying "Hey Siri" and that is what is causing her to speak during your cast.
Man I would hate if this show became about everything but The Mandalorian. Keep Luke and all the other jedi out of the main storyline and just have them appear for an episode or two and spin off into their own shows or movies. Keep this show about the Mandalorians and that slow world building structure for the most part would be the move imo, bc otherwise it just becomes too many elements that overshadow the main story.
Josh is just arguing for what has already happen with clone wars tv show
Hi - whats your thought on THE VOLUNTEER for the Baby Yoda blood transfusion being Boba Fett?
I really hope they stay out of the sequels. It'll ruin the whole show.
It really will, and bus loads of fans will just tune off the show if they do this.
The sequels disappointed, but this perspective is also kinda petty - i mean so what if they continuing telling a story that peripherally connects or relates to the sequels in some way. The mandalorian has been amazing and stands on its own - Jon Favreau is also under no obligation to suffocate the evolution of this story in order to satisfy the denial of disgruntled star wars fans. We might be pleasantly suprised
@@RaikenXion I think it will cut into the plot of the sequels without getting into any of the sequel characters. It's basically gonna be a series to cover sequel plot holes a la Rogue One with the Death Star weakness.
@@jrbling25 I agree but i think what was "petty" was the fans who heavily attacked George Lucas over his Prequels, over what ultimately amounted to alittle too much reliance on Green-Screen/CGI and weak/cheesy dialogue. But everything else was outstanding in his prequels, the consistency, the overall story-telling, the world-building the sheer number of weird alien races and creatures we were introduced to, and how they fit perfectly upto the OT movies.
But i dont think fan's concerns with the Sequels are even petty at all. They're very grave and valid concerns. The Sequels have no Lore, they're riddled with over a hundred inconsistencies (not joking) and each movie is dissjointed from the other. Not to mention how they destroy character arcs. But i won't get into all the issues with the Sequels here.
A lot of fan's concern here is that if the showrunners do connect right up to the Sequels through the overall narrative they're telling. It runs the risk of creating more inconsistencies down the line, in trying to "dance" around the Sequels, which they will have no choice but to do, if they try it.
I do agree that Creatives in general should NEVER have to feel they got to do things purely to please a group of fans, even if that group make up even half of a fanbase as a whole. This was where JJ screwed up big time with TROS, he should hae just done his own thing with that (but then again tbh i dont believe he even had any original ideas of his own in the first place when he worked on TFA).
But i have to say here i believe its impossible to fix the Sequels, or even improve them from a narrative point. It was a huge mistake just copying the OT and even coming up with the idea of The First Order and them creating a more death stars, star destroyers, storm-troopers just the entire same things that the Empire had.
The idea of them being born from the ashes of the Empire, with a few Moffs surviving and disappearing into the unknown regions is very interesting, but that should have evolved into a completely new and ORIGINAL threat entirely; to build a fresh story from and thats where Snoke had promise.
@@jrbling25 I've been looking into this and thinking much further ahead and i just want to share with you an example of what i'm getting at.
If you make a connection, the narrative of The Mandalorian seems to be building up to bringing Luke Skywalker into things now. I mean that seems to be like 99% where it's going. So when Mando eventually meets Luke, and if Luke agrees to train "Grogu", which it seems most likely he will considering Luke needs every force sensitive he can find to establish the Jedi Order in the Galaxy again. Mando will tell Luke how he came across the child, that he rescued Grogu from the Imperial Remnant and they have been after him ever since.
How would you explain what happens to Grogu when Luke confronts Ben Solo that night? I mean this would only be like maybe ten whole years from now. Ben solo flees and comes back as "Kylo Ren", but by that point hes already in league with Snoke, who had been inside his head; AND THEN Sideous even, if we're going on TROS. So this would mean they had already cloned the Emperor, how!? If they never managed to get hold of Baby Yoda/Grogu. And also theres the issue of the Sith Empire, Snoke and The First Order were never even aware of them, so if we're making this connection, how far does it go!?!?
Gideon and Thrawn would have to lead all the way back to Sideous and his Sith Empire, if we're making this connection and going on the whole idea of those experiments in those tanks at that Imperial base on Narravo, being somekind of failed test subjects of Snoke. At end of the day if the connection is going to be made it would have to be established that Baby Yoda was captured by Gideon's Imperial Remnant, experimented on and possibly killed. Because we've learned that they needed more blood, more midiclorians from the child. And if Baby Yoda was still alive at the time of the Sequels where was he? And why didnt he speak to Rey like all the other Jedi did including Ahsoka?
Too many questions and as one is answered it just creates another question because what you're doing is basically trying to "fix" something that is really kind of unfixable and ultimately flawed because of all the inconsistencies.
1:15:42 I almost cried i relate so much
I want to see them tie in who that old dude was that Poe got the last piece of map to Luke was. That’s one of my biggest questions now, who was he and why did he have that piece of map???
The Mando won't be what to the sequels that TCW was to the prequels for this main point: Mando won't have the sequel characters (Finn, Poe, Rey, Ben/Kylo) in the show due to the timeframe of Mando (25 years prior to sequels). TCW allowed us to further explore the main characters of the prequels (Anakin, Padme, Obi-Wan, the Jedi) along with adding new characters (Ahsoka and the clones). Mando is really just going to be a band-aid to fix all the world-building issues that stem from TFA, it will fill in the time gaps, show us tidbits of how the First Order rose, how the New Republic really, etc, but it won't have the same impact that TCW did for the prequels because Mando won't expand on the sequel characters like TCW did for the prequel characters.
What are chances of seeing kylo ren/ first order troops in mandolarin.
@@thealexgundam5006 First Order troops (at least the beginning of the First Order) I think is pretty likely. But Kylo Ren, no real shot since Ben Solo is perhaps only 5 years old at this point
Um this is STAR WARS... no such thing as stand alone, we gotta get past the sequel hate, at least for story reasons, it sucked but it happened its there, y wouldn't u connect it all, at least make it make sense. And Kenedy, ok yea there is tons of source material bad comment. Anything else its all hearsay and assumption on who did what when. How long do we hold up John and Dave till they don't do it the way "you" "we" want it. Js
Have you noticed that the tank clone scene is playing out the Revenge of the Sith opera scene with the fish or whatever in the tank? Not to mention the Snoke music is also from that scene.
Yo man don’t listen to the haters love your videos and what you do for the fans love you man
I’ve literally been saying this the whole time. Kathleen was never the problem it’s always been Iger he literally says it in his book. Remember Lucas hired KK before Disney bought Star Wars. She came with the deal and Iger wasn’t happy that he couldn’t appoint someone himself.
Yeah. With all the vitriol and rumors of revolt and drama within Lucasfilm... Everyone forgets that she was chosen by Lucas. He. Chose. Her. Not that it means everything, but it surely means something. I won't be surprised if years from now, as more people speak out, including her, probably in documentaries and such... A very different portrait is painted. We'll come to find that she fought unwinnable battles against the Disney titan. Not that she was perfect, but was more a champion for Star Wars than we knew. And despite all the bad, a lot of the good may have been more her doing than anyone else.
@@chase-bank yes! Thats exactly how i see it. Im sure she made mistakes, but overall i truly believe shes been fighting for Lucas this whole time. And she wants to stay to make sure that it stays in his vision. Lucas. Chose. Kennedy. She made all our favorite movies growing up. She isnt bad at her job. I love Disney, but Disney has pulled a Disney since Walt died. They love that money, so their choices have nothing to do with how great is this story and ok maybe it connects but, will it make money?
I love the podcasts btw. Love from the UK
SWTheory: I don't want the mandalorian to make sequels feel better and i don't wanna see rey again
AlsoTheory: The clone wars did so much for the sequels and it made anakin so much more likeable
I'm paraphrasing but dunno man...seems unfair.
Prequels had good groundwork the sequels don’t
Sequels really sucked dude, people don’t want relevance coming back to it by linking it into the Mando storyline even though that is what they are trying to do.
@Jew Tube yes it does, what is your point ?
Love how these two chat their hearts out for Star Wars, especially even all the negatively stuff out there, I know it is bull crap. Theory your channel is so underated you to Josh👍😜❤
That body is the tank was definitely not snoke............ It blew up
There was a bunch of clones in the tanks, he kinda touched on but while that body exactly might not be the snoke in the sequels, they are continuing to try and make a body for palpatine to transfer into and could have tens or hundreds more of that clone somewhere else that does turn out to be snoke. I pray they don’t take that route in mando and tie the sequels into it, but that’s just what I took from it.
This Friday’s episode I feel has a chance to be the best lightsaber action we’ve seen yet in live action. The sequels should of done much more especially with the knights of ren but I think that’s exactly what the dark troopers will do is be what KOR should of been and deliver us excellent fight scenes.
Great podcast, i think you channel the collective intelligence of the Star Wars community very well! also I feel a little bromance brewing between you guys😁
Could they not? I’m doing my best to forget the latest trilogy.
The sequels are garbage, and if they try to make this part of a prequel then I'm going to jump ship. I have too many other things I'd like to spend my time doing.
Bro tom hiddleston as young Palps is epic
Brilliant theory, per usual
I honestly hope it doesn’t have a connection to the sequel trilogy, or at least if it does, it is vague so that they can retcon the sequels or something. Watched a bit of TROS yesterday, horrible film but they tried ig.
Just ordered by Star Wars archive book by Paul Duncan can’t wait for it
Last podcast theory says he doesn't read and ignores hate and has a balance between his 'job' and his normal life. In this he's clearly hearting. Need to be honest theory and get it of your chest. No better person than Josh to talk to.
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I love these podcasts
Love the crew of the Mantis, and I’d love for a cameo or name drop.
It would be pretty crazy if they made it so that the sequel trilogy was just a vision Ahsoka or Luke were having of what might have happened and then in the Mandalorian they walked up on them having the vision and just disregarded the entire sequel trilogy lmao.
Wasn't it stated in some game(card) somewhere that Ahsoka is around Maul's (original/restored) M-count? So around 17-18k if I recall correctly? Which is quite high ish?
Still not sure how that will be relevant to the potential of cloning though ;)
@39:00 👏🙌👏🙌👏 Preach!!
To add on to the toy analogy, they gave all the new kids these new toys whilst also breaking all the old toys the old kids were playing with
If Baby Yoda dies it would probably be him sacrificing himself, and it will be the saddest moment in all of television.
It would but i think by the time that happens on screen we'll all be dead from old age in real life.
I subbed! I love video games. I’ve been loving gears tactics lately, I didn’t used to like tactical games except for final fantasy tactics advanced, but after playing wasteland 3 I’ve been loving them
I love the new Nerd Theory. Never expected the first collaboration from my two favorite nerds!!! Nerd Life!!! Forget da haters! Keep Nerding Out and don't stop eating Nerds (the candy).
My live action Thrawn choices: Jeremy Irons (Ozymandias of The Watchmen tv series), Benedict Cumberbatch (Dr. Strange), Daniel Day-Lewis (Lincoln, There Will Be Blood), Rami Malek (Mr. Robot, Bohemian Rhapsody), Javier Bardem (No Country For Old Men), or Ralph Fiennes (The English Patient, Voldemort of Harry Potter, Schindler's List).
Someone else that popped into mind is Edward James Olmos (Battlestar Galactica, Stand and Deliver, Blade Runner). He may have aged out of the Thrawn role but I need to see him in SW at some point soon. The weight he brings to every role he portrays is incredible.
What Filoni and Favreau are setting up is as close to a Disney retcon of the sequels as we're going to get. And with F&F running it, it's going to be as close to the SW sequels we wanted as we we're going to get.
Can't wait for what they have in store.
Jason Isaacs?
Just an idea but I've been thinking a lot about the George sequels. Maybe this could still play out, maybe Maul is resurrected in the obi show as surely he still has his body.
Also love the show, screw the haters! Best show on TH-cam
Yes this is a spark of hope like what happened with the prequels, the sequels have hope to become loved and appreciated more by fans, personally I already really liked the sequels but this could fix a lot of things fans didn’t like, Dave Filoni is a genius
Theres too many things, not just in the context of the story of the Sequels, but the way inwhich some of the actors themselves were treated. Like Mark Hamill and how he wasnt listened to at all on TLJ and they just character assassinated Luke in that movie.
Or Kelly Marie Tran and how they had a chance to really work her into the end story, but didnt even use her in TROS, a massive disservice.
How John Boyega has been very vocal about how they bigged him up, into thinking hos character Finn was going to have a more substantial role to do with him being a force sensitive storm trooper, a unique and original idea in itself, but they didnt even go there and totally wasted the opportunity.
Boyega's image as "Finn" was shrunk down on TFA posters for the Asian Market, specifically China, this came out that to do with Chinese audiences not liking Black actors in movies much and Disney thought it would put the Chinese audience off the movie seeing his face much in the poster.
Then the biggest onem those three big actors from the OT who played Luke, Leia and Han, they were never allowed to unite all on-screen together at the sametime in the Sequel Trilogy, not even in a flashback, i mean they even brought Han Solo back as just a ghost for Ben Solo's redemption, but not those three.
How do you "hope" to get fans who have never forgotten about these issues to appreciate the Sequels??
@@RaikenXion Fair enough, with like kids tho that are growing with the sequels today they wouldn’t be aware about the issues like how us as kids didn’t care about the flaws with the prequels and how the dialogue was abit eh, because they will not be aware about Kathleen Kennedy or any of the John boyega, mark Hamil like stuff
@@yousufhaq15 True i mean as a teen even, growing up with the prequels myself i never had issue with them, infact i wasn't aware there was a part of the fanbase that really disliked them and didnt find out until years later. And even today while i do recognize their flaws in weak, sometimes "cheesy dialogue", and alittle too much use of the green-screen for most-all the action scenes i still luv the prequels.
Its true that kids would not be aware of the issues behind the scenes to do with Hamill, Kennedy and Boyega or even Kelly, but kids do pick up on when a thing simply isnt popular. Look at the Star Wars Resistance Animated series that was aimed specifically at kids. They picked up on that show not being popular overall amongst the fanbase, and when some kids learn the adult fans are not into a certain thing; or adult fans find a show alittle too "childish", kids themselves pick up on this when they hear hear the word around school that something is not "cool" or their friends are not watching it they switch off. This was what ultimately led to the downfall of the Resistance show.
And this is the thing with Star Wars when some people say its just for kids, Star Wars at it's best is a universal thing that appeals to ALL. And the main problem with the Sequels is they're just so divisive, even though there are alot of kids growing up with the Sequels right now, its very different than when we were growing up with Star Wars. Today theres a whole slew of massive, huge franchises out there for kids to follow, not just "Star Wars", like the MCU e.g.
And Disney themselves really havnt done alot for the Sequels to make them feel like this huge thing, they certainly havnt had anykind of cultural impact that the OT had. Kids today get bored quick and not so attached, especially when they hear overall that something is not loved overall by the fans as a whole, so they quickly loose interest and gravitate toward other things they find to be more popular (like Avengers).
Infact i'd say kids today have become more attached to the Clone Wars and Rebels series than they have the Sequels.
I just think overall there doesnt seem to be a huge interest in kids growing up today when it comes to the Sequels, otherwise this would be felt, and reflected in all the merch, there would be a demand for that and for further comics, video-games continuing and exploring the characters from the Sequels.
Not to be rude but...YES JOSH, WE KNOW WHAT YOU MEAN!!! It’s driving me CRAZY how often you say “You know what mean?”.
Also don’t listen to the haters and assholes out there I look forward to your videos everyday and now the Nerd Theory videos Monday it is my escape and l can’t imagine a day without them. I can totally relate to how your school years went.
Sheeewt, I had no idea I’m a sociopath😬
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Aftermath is 5 ABY and Mando is either 7 or 9 (I forget it's one of them)
It will be hilarious if a in comparison small budget Star Wars show will explain the sequels better then they did themselves
Sequels were disrespectful and tore down what came before. There is no fixing that mess.
Watching this months later is sort of funny, because you were asked the Gina Carano/will she get cancelled question, and the answer was a unanimous "No." If only. Keep up the good work.
How would u feel about a Asoka Star Wars story in between season 7 clone wars and rebels I think it would be cool unless they do a series of it
Love the logo !x!
I love star wars and sometimes get embarrassed too say it because its not ‘ cool ‘ I’m 14 so i can relate to you and inspire to be like you :)
I hope the sewuqls get reset so Jon, dave and lukas can make them better then the sequals
I like listening to this show - have you thought about making available to download on apple podcasts?