Another correction, Greenland which is what you showed in the video is almost the furthest possible place on the planet you can get away from Antarctica which is where you mentioned he travelled to in 26 seconds.
Something I think people forget is that Mark is the rightful heir to the viltrumite throne. His grandfather was the emperor that Thadeus killed. He has the genes of the strongest viltrumites. Thragg finds out Nolan is the son of the last emperor and wants to kill him because of that. He literally is viltrumite royalty and it's an important plot point rlthat I think a lot of people forget about. There was no doubt he was going to become one of if not the strongest viltrumite just based off that.
And once he becomes the strongest (hundreds of years later) Superman still obliterates him. Peak superman is literally too OP for movies or cartoons. P.s. the fact that Mark can become the most powerful Viltrimite when he is 1 percent human makes no sense. If every species is below a Viltrimite then how can Mark be stronger than any full blooded Viltrimite? Absolute nonsense Kirkman.
@@23Raind Its quite really sustainable... Mark in their end battle its CLOSE w Thraggs power... (just my assumption, but Ill say he has like 75-80% of Thraggs power, while for example BattleBeast should ve been like 99% lol) while LITERALLY being in age terms for the average Viltrumite a literal child, being somewhere 30yo at that point (looking literally 20 or so), while Thragg, looking like a 35 must be around 1.000-1.500yo (we know that foe example Nolan is +2000yo, tho he does look like 45 or so)... So Mark while being a literal infant in Viltrumites terms, was already stronger than any other Viltrumite aside from Thragg, and any other being except for him and BattleBeast, while in the span of 13 years since the story started he grew from being the weakest Viltrumite ever, during the first few issues w powers, to that. Just Imagine how much more powerful he became after 500 years, when even Allen who also had several buffs in the story and at the end battle was close too to Thragg, got easily manhandled by 530yo Mark. I really believe not only that Mark is stronger, but that hes much more powerful by the end of the series than Thragg.
@@jonathansantana6239 The argument is a bit pointless, though. Superman has so many versions, each placed at WILDLY different spots on the power scale... why even try to talk about it when any "official" writer can make-up a new story about Superman (or Mark for that matter) where he suddenly is stronger than whichever version was stronger before. It doesn't obey any law of logic.
@@23Raind The very same Conquest that said “Ur son is ALMOST as strong as u” moments after this, Mark WHO WAS ALMOST AS STRONG AS NOLAN, killed Conquest for the 2nd and final time lol… Conquest is really hyped, but I do think that Nolan is quite stronger than him, he got killed twice by: first time a MUCH weaker Mark than Nolan (w Eves help) n in the second got killed in a completely fair 1v1 by a WEAKER Mark than Nolan. Either that, or Nolans fight IQ is way better than Conquest, who proved himself to be a no brainer lol. Thragg wasnt toying, the minute he got to the sun he was full on trying to kill Mark, he just couldnt, and Robots armor only made Mark gain a few extra seconds, that were enough to kill Thragg…He literally endured all of Thraggs meanest attacks, while also hurting him lol, yh, Thragg was deffo still stronger, but no way near he was “only toying” dude lmao. If Thragg were that much stronger as ur claiming it to be, he shouldve been able to torn mark apart easily like he did the previous time, but as we know, Mark got stronger after Eve healed him, while also got stronger due to the time pass.
Actually, Mark was in critical care after his major fight on the surface of the sun. He would’ve died. Along with his opponent. If he didn’t receive aid to leave the sun.
@patd9850 Mark was still reasonably young at that point and has grown leagues stronger since then. He could probably endure the core of the sun for a lot longer now. He obviously couldn't just chill inside the sun, like Superman, though. I feel like staying in the sun too long would have some side effects for Superman. Maybe like a bad fever or something. Though Mark just has to not get dragged into the sun, which probably wouldn't be too hard for him. If Mark loses, it's more likely that he would get overpowered in strength than held in the core of the sun for a while.
@@darkenergy9760 In all-star superman staying the sun ended up overcharging his cell and they started to explode he got a lot stronger but at the cost of his life.
Superman does things that are just not compatible with image comics universe. I love invincible and it’s universe, but all of its characters have expressed weaknesses and frequently lose battles. Superman…doesn’t quite work that way. It takes gods and literal unkillable doomsday creatures to beat him. I’m also pretty sure the image comics writer didn’t actually read Superman comics
I'm quite sure they did and specifically Due to the insane and sometimes absurd scales that DC comics and Marvel manage, they decided not to make it so broken.
@@Deyas786 People always have to do what you did to make other characters seem stronger than Superman. That is, compare the strongest versions of their character to one of the weakest of Superman. People do this with Goku, Invincible, Hulk, whatever... Superman has weaker versions, just like any character, where he's younger and has more vulnerabilities but the strongest versions of Superman have godly powers and no weaknesses.
Invincible fought thragg on the sun and almost died. Superman can walk on the sun and live in its core. And through out the years Superman got powers that made him multi dimensional
@@chelseaabel1202 I have read that fight like 25 times, Mark only plunges Thragg into the Sun once. Even at that it it was only 3 panels. After words you can see the many mini solar prominecnes, those weird plasma tentacles on the suns photosphere. So I have no idea why people say they fought at the core. Also even tho it isn't stated in invincible I am pretty sure robots Armor is many just iron, so the photosphere of the sun would melt it in a matter of seconds. Now the 500 time skip is a different story, that Mark could probably survive anything.
Superman is unfortunately powered by the sun and once he realizes that Mark is as strong as he is it moves to the sun. Now while Mark can exist in the sun Superman is POWERED by the sun he regenerates faster, moves and thinks faster and is over all better while Mark takes environmental damage overloading his healing factor and eventually vaporizes.
So Superman’s only win condition is fighting Mark on a specifically a yellow sun? Mark is strong everywhere Superman is not and for that reason alone mark comes out on top more times then not.
Comics Superman Prime destroyes the whole Invincible universe as a warm up before fighting MUI Goku haha lolz...but any movie or animated version of superman gets torn in half easy by Invincible as he was at the end of the comic after the 500 year time skip
@@jtaz3548 I mean if it’s base level Superman vs Timeskip mark, it’s over for supes, unless he takes the fight into the sun where, mark can SURVIVE, and Superman is POWERED UP. You can imagine what would happen then.
I guess no one watched the whole interview because he stated that he doesn't believe Invincible would win, he just said that because he finds Superman boring.
Hot take: Eve is more powerful than Mark. Can't die, can (when unlocked) rewrite Mark to be stronger. Meaning she could also have taken him apart at the molecular level. Atom Eve could beat ANYONE. Just need to get past one little psychological block she could remove herself one day when things are rough.
I hope that's part of her arc in the show. She removes her mental block smh and maybe with that control changes har dna to become a viltrumite and live for thousands of years with Mark and their daughter without having to die of old age to revive herself. She becomes the most powerful woman in universe alongside the strongest man in the universe. Imagine the HYPE!
@@johnfelix503 she will be God if that happens, imagine being immortal and manipulating both inorganic and organic matter, that's the definition of being God
Mark can definitely put up a good fight against some versions and even win , but mostly Superman is depicted as a god who lives among men and can shatter planets easily so Mark will lose against those versions. But still I like Invincible way more because the story , the stakes, the emotions and especially the action with a touch of realism, stating what a world will look like if God like beings exist. Even though they aren't as strong as Superman but still they are not pushovers, killing a viltrumite isn't that easy because they don't give up easily and have crazy endurance because they are just made to survive extreme situations.
Well you have to read superman comics or see the superman movie to see the stakes,emotions and top notch world class 3d human action with a very greater touch of realism stating how world will look if gods like being exist but to realise all that you have to see the shit.
I love the realism part when mark throws the garbage out of atmosphere almost and it does not even burn a bit even it turns back on earth it doesn't,that realism i like it.
@@noobtube373 bro i have seen the animated series, the recent animated (MAWS) on adult swim, Christopher Reeves Superman movies , Henry Cavill Superman movies, and also watched Live action TV series (Superman and Lois) and even watched the injustice animated movie. In most of these he's depicted as an alien who came and he's always trying to prove he's as human as the others so it's not like I don't have any idea it's just that Invincible don't hold much back. I'm very much familiar with Superman depictions as well but Invincible does way better in some sense and I have read the entire 144 issue run of Invincible so I think some shit Superman movies or show's or comics won't show at all.
My favorite quote about superman's power is from Death Battle, "Goku is a character that needs to overcome his limits. Superman has none. He is as strong as he needs to be."
Just because the creator of Invincible says Mark can beat Superman, doesn't mean he can. He may own Invincible, but he doesn't own Superman. It would be different if he owned both of them, but he doesn't. So he doesn't really have authority over saying his character should be stronger than someone who he doesn't own.
Facts, Just because the creator of Invincible, Robert Kirkman, says that Mark Grayson can beat Superman, it doesn't necessarily mean that he actually could. While Kirkman is the creative force behind Invincible and has a deep understanding of Mark's abilities, he doesn't have the same level of control over Superman, who is owned by DC Comics. The strength and capabilities of comic book characters are often determined by the writers and editors who work on them, and these can change over time depending on the needs of the story. While Kirkman's opinion on Mark's potential victory over Superman is certainly interesting, it's not definitive, and it would ultimately be up to the writers and editors of DC Comics to decide whether or not such a scenario could actually play out. It's also worth noting that the outcome of a fight between two superheroes can often depend on a variety of factors beyond their raw power levels, such as the environment in which the fight takes place, the characters' mental states, and even a bit of luck. So even if Mark were to hypothetically possess the power to defeat Superman, there's no guarantee that he would actually be able to do so in a real fight. And, the question of whether or not Mark Grayson could beat Superman is a matter of opinion and speculation. While Kirkman's statement certainly adds to the discussion, it doesn't provide a definitive answer. Only time and the creative decisions of the writers and editors will tell if such a battle will ever take place and who would ultimately emerge victorious.
Superman’s feats far exceed Invincible’s to my knowledge. Let’s see here, Superman has towed an entire galaxy, went back in time through sheer speed, has complete immunity to 50 million degrees within the center of the sun, doesn’t ever age, and he can become even stronger after bathing in the sun for an extended period of time. I’m not too sure about Invincible’s feats, but I don’t think I’m aware of him doing anything that crazy.
Depends on which variant of Superman. Superman Prime One Million for instance has no weaknesses to kryptonite. All-Star Superman when supercharged by the sun has complete immunity to green kryptonite, but is susceptible to others. Kryptonite by itself may or may not be lethal depending on which Superman we’re discussing. Honestly, magic packs more of a punch than kryptonite does.
If you count the Snyder cut movie, Superman took a full swing from Steppenwolfs axe. This is a being who's a gazillion times more powerful than an average man swinging an axe full force at Superman and it didn't even ruffle his suit.
I think people have the image of superman not being as strong as he is because they only see the film adaptations really don't show things that are as impressive as what Omni man does (wiping out an entire civilization in one episode etc.). Also Invincible is just a lot bloodier and more gory than the DC films so when you see damage done to characters by somebody like Omni man it stays in your head more and gives you the false sense that he's stronger.
Superman can one tap Omni-Man Invincible wouldn't even need that. At The End of his Arch Superman can still thrash him it would just not be a one shot deal. Respect and keep up the epic work.
Superman and Omni-Man are both incredibly powerful characters, and it's difficult to say definitively who would win in a fight. However, I believe that Superman has the potential to defeat Omni-Man, but it would not be an easy fight. Superman has a number of advantages over Omni-Man, including his heat vision, super strength, and invulnerability. He is also more experienced in combat, and he has a better understanding of his own powers. Omni-Man, on the other hand, is incredibly strong and durable. He is also a skilled fighter, and he has a ruthlessness that Superman does not. And, the outcome of a fight between Superman and Omni-Man would depend on a number of factors, including the environment in which the fight took place, the mental state of the combatants, and a bit of luck. However, I believe that Superman has the potential to win, even if it would be a very difficult fight.
@@Suto_Ko it isn't difficult for rent at all. The environment has no matter because whatever environment he's in, there isn't really anything Omni man can do to him that would affect him. If we want to make it at least somewhat, a fair fight, let's do random encounter in the middle of the road, sure Omni is ruthless, strong, yet he's not stronger nor faster or more durable than Superman. Not to mention, I'd say, Superman is also more skilled than Omni-man, considering he's trained with Batman, Wonder Woman, and knows, ancient kryptonian fighting techniques. Not to mention the hundreds of other things he's learned while flying across the galaxy. The most setback that we need to worry about given the encounter I planted is civilian casualties, and due to his super speed, he'd be able to evacuate entire block before Omni-man can blink. I'd also like to give you the fact that Superman has powers over Omni-man to. His laser vision can travel as fast as the flash( depending on what speed he's going, in which flash it is) not to mention cities if you wanted to. Omni-man has an innate weakness, tie, frequency noises which Superman can exploit using his supersonic extreme. he also has ice breath, and super breath. You also bring up the fact that he's invulnerable which Superman is two into a higher extent, given that he can literally fly into the sun and not take any damage while Omni-man can only stay near the sun for a limited amount of time before he's completely annihilated.
Well based off the end of Invincible Mark could definitely put up a good fight against supes, but the gap closes with every year on mark's age- so the question becomes: how old must mark be to kill superman?
@@millerrepin4452 Well based on how strong he is by the end of the series and hes only like a hundred.... Id give it maybe a 1k-1.8k years before he can confidently beat supes. And the laser beam thing? He can definitely react to that by the end of the series so by this time he can block it and take damn near no damage from it and still have time to react to supes going in for a swing
Nope. He would just break his hand on Superman's face. If you've ever seen the feats of strength attributed to Superman in the Superman comics, Mark Grayson (Invincible) is a complete non-entity in comparison.
That’s a terrible take. The argument for superman is people pulling out specific comic runs where he goes OP like superman 1 million and comparing it to a young mark from the show. Normal adult superman with no wild power buffs like DCAU vs fully grown leader of the viltrumite empire mark which is simply mark fully grown and not a child anymore goes to mark quite easily, he becomes the strongest being in the galaxy while it’s commonly known superman gets wrecked by characters like darkside quite often except when he gets some kind of power boosts. The writer of the comics confirmed it. Superman would destroy every other viltrumite tho only thragg has a chance
Everyone in the comments saying how Invincible could never touch Superman. Most versions of Superman aren't so ridiculously OP that they destroy universes or worlds. Yes Superman is strong but the average version of Superman vs grown Invisible is definitely no cakewalk for Superman...
I love how much of Dragon Ball things are in Invincible series :P For and example - Mark is literally alternate version of Son Gohan - they both have significant power boost when they rage. They both are sons of powerful alien warrior race fathers and earthling mothers. Plus this galactic conquest thing :P
3:00 they need to give whoever designed that trash bag a huge raise and get them working for NASA. A bag of trash that his strong enough to not get ripped to shreds from being thrown into orbit from either Mark's hand or from the super sonic wind drag is a feat that went over everyone's head.
I always envision a spin off sort of comic where future Emperor Mark, goes back in time and pays Thragg a little visit. The sheer terror in Thraggs eyes as he's getting completely ragdolled by another viltrumite, even worse when he recognizes who he is :D
I just want to point out, besides the sun argument, omni man was destroyed with experimental b0mbs, while they never did make a weapon that could destroy superman, even in the dark knight, superman survives and absorbs live energy around him.
It’s not true at all. Just because he wants his character to be stronger than Superman doesn’t mean it’s true. There are plenty of times we’ve seen viltrimites get beat to a pulp. The only time I’ve ever seen Superman get beat to death was by doomsday a entity just as powerful as him
@jamesphilip4562 well he could do that easy by just continue the story and give Mark better feats than superman but i Dont think that will happen since the Story is canonly finished but in Theorie i think its very easy to write a character stronger than 99% of all versions of Superman whit the only exeption being CAS witch thenicaly isnt realy a true Version of supes since he is Made from aliens and more a self improfing cyborg than a biological being he most likely dosent count in the matchup and even if he counts if the Autor realy wants to he might just end up asking nerds in reddit how to Make a stronger character than CAS and how to counter his insane hax and power Adaption its similar to finding Way to Beat the kid that always will say your nuber plus 1 in a who knows the bigger Number Duell... So it will be Hard but still possible probably he is lazy he can just give him concept erasure and absolut omnicience what should prevent CAS from killing him AS child or absorbing his universe well it unclear if not CAS just adapt to Marks abbilty to negate Any Adaption so it still would End in a draw since if both have infinte Speed both abbiltys would be instant and preventing both from wining the uperhand but i think since the omnisience Mark could know CAS atack before it happens even if he timetravels before his own birth so i think Mark whould draw that in that Setting... But just as said before i do not realy count CAS as a Superman so the Autor could probably to 99 % write him stronger than superman
Of course it's not true - it's Supercringeman. He's a walking Deux Ex Machina. The writers just do whatever the !@#$ they wan't because they coulnd't care less about the quality of DC's writing.
Other Viltrumites: so how did you die? Conquest: there's this younger Viltrumite... Other Viltrumites: and? Conquest: he headbutt me to death... Other Viltrumites: what?
I think Mark could catch up Superman, likely at the age of Conquest and trainining his entire life until that point. Superman travels Galaxies in seconds, lifts entire solar systems and has been even able to move stars, don't ask me how he did that but, the point is that maybe Mark could catch up. If and only if, the autor confirms that they don't have a limit power and can become stronger with training without a top, then Mark theorically could out power Superman.
Lots of people tend to ignore the upgrade Mark got from Eve. Mark isnt just a viltrumite of royal blood destined to outgrow even thragg, he is also an upgraded (down to molecular level) viltrumite who got redesigned by his badass wife. I still think superman finds a way to win coz “he is superman”, but this is one of those cases where a fair argument can be made that big blue should lose.
superman wouldnt really need to find a way his recent showings put him at an absolutely absurd level, if mark was as strong as superman is in comics there wouldnt be a story
I doubt he'd have to do that he can lobotomize mark with a stare by using his heat vision in a microscopic manner like he did to Manchester Black viltrimites can't heal if their brains or hearts are too damaged.
@@rustyshield Supermans heat vision can work like a scalpel capable of lobotomizing opponents if superman wanted to. Hell superman could even aim for the ears (viltrimite weakness)
There seems to be some power differences in the series versus the comics. In the comics, how many men beat the guardians with absolute ease, as were in the show, he was actually be in into a coma.
I would assume that by the end of the series, Mark is probably 100+ to have grey hairs. We really don't know how quickly he ages, but if it's anything close to true Viltrumites, he's the equivalent of a human in their early 30s (around the time people start getting grey hairs). There is no reason Eve can't be over 100 years old, considering her body (after being rebuilt) was probably perfect and she had the benefit of alien technology and medicines to extend her life.
Facts... Watching a few videos where they break down feats, prime superman (before the new 52 as that superman is one most are familiar with) superman one shots every viltrimite ever. And thats just one version of many many versions of superman. Superman 1 million would literally sneeze them out of existence that's how powerful he is, he can reconstruct and revive dna... Let alone anything else and has cosmic like powers which are basically endless. It's just not a comparison lol, and again that's just one version of almost endless supermen.
I think the point is that the mix of vilturmite and human. The acceptation from other vilturmite/human is he is like 99 percent vilturmite and 1 percent human. Somehow that makes him better than the rest. At full strength he probably will be able to fly in the sun. Even though the original leader died that way
honestly anytime anyone mentions superman, the sups fans go "HE CAN GO IN A SUN TO BE STRONGER". yes. he can. it happens... almost never? even when fighting things that can kill superman. It's not like his signature move or something, it happens in a few comic strips and is shown more as a last resort move than something superman always does when fighting a strong opponent. Shit honestly my main argument would be "superman regenerates really fucking fast" or "superman has better strength feats" Or literally anything else. But no, everyone always goes "he can go in the sun" fucking brainless.
Creators of Death Battle would have something to say about that If you mention Superman and don't tag "infinite power" on his name, they get mad. Like really mad, not surface mad but you could tell the anger in their convention with basic psychology several years ago.
❤Not to mention, if Mark gets out of his prime, get around Eave when she is about to die, and her powers will work on him, making him younger and stronger.
I don’t think people understand that Superman literally lifted infinity and dived in the sun & took 0 damage. Superman also took a hit from a beam that was going to destroy the multiverse. Mark could barely survive in the surface of the sun. Don’t forget Superman did these feats while holding back because he does not want to kill or destroy the planet accidentally. CHERRY ON TOP THERE IS A VERSION OF SUPERMAN THAT LITERALLY COULD DESTORY THE UNIVERSE WITH THE SNAP OF HIS FINGER
Anyone think invincible chracters can sracth or even beat comic superman gotta be delusional Mark is like solar system lvl max With mftl speed A heavily lowball superman is outerversal with infinite speed
Mark tends to pull his punches and hold back when hes fighting. Hes knows hes strong and is too afraid he'll kill someone. Even later in the story when he has to fight for his life, Omni Man tells his to stop holding back, then he starts to kicks ass but fails in the end because he tried to show mercy to someone trying to murder his face.
I can see the argument working for Mark winning but it depends on what era superman he’s fighting… if he fights Superman at an early stage like before superman has ever fought another entity like himself so first one he fights is Zod really… but when super man is like peak power house and lobotomises doomsday etc and beats the shit outta darkseid etc… that superman probably beats the shit outta anybody in invincible plus there was that whole period in the 80’s where superman just got whatever power he needed… and that shit was mad so if its that guy its again a no contest but if its early sups and peak mark it micht just go the other way… cause mark fought alot of scary dudes… but in terms of raw strength that alot of this video is about nothing matches sups toeing planets on a chain through space… there’s cruise shit and then there’s multiple planets… like its a fucking necklace… and supes really does have more powers. Like if in real trouble can do that turn back time shit, mark can’t do that.
When Mark is angry and like 5000 yrs old he would probably win. I mean yeah superman may be a bit stronger but he’s a hero and I really think he would hold back his punches.
Bruh, Superman is a solar battery, the closer he is to the Sun the stronger he is, and Mark and Thragg fought in the Sun and the oldest strongest die, Mark only survived, because he was save, you cant do that to Superman.
He isn’t even close to most comic Superman, probably all unless they are nerfed for plot purposes. Just because he wrote mark doesn’t make him correct, I mean if he wrote Superman into his story, seems like Superman would loose, but Superman is definitely not weaker.
@@thatonekidnamedevan3455 he overcomes kryptonite and it isn’t a random green rock? It is a space rock that is very rare. Besides this random green rock admits radiation, a certain one that targets kryptonians
@@godlygamer2466 when did he overcome kryptonite? and it couldn’t be rare if humans can get it and make bullets out of it. not to mention he needs a specific star to be nearby for him to have his powers.
@@thatonekidnamedevan3455 kryptonite isn’t available in the invincible universe I don’t even know why your first resort is to bring up kryptonite as Superman has stats that make Marks look insignificant. He has plenty of instances where it doesn’t effect him however I don’t see why that is relevant when discussing who is stronger. He gets stronger around a star, that doesn’t mean he won’t have access to the stars or he will be completely drained while fighting mark.
@@godlygamer2466 kryptonite is available in the dc universe so i don’t understand why you mention it’s not in the invinsible universe. you say there’s many instances where he’s not affected by kryptonite but there’s also many more instances where he is affected. also viltrimites can literally escape the force of a black hole in the comics, meaning they have to be faster than the speed of light, and mark becomes more powerful than all of them. i don’t think superman has ever passed a speed benchmark at near light speed.
Mark Could But the Question is Which Superman, Its the same argument when it come to Goku, there are superman that Goku can completely destroy & Superman where Goku would stand a chance, same applies to mark
And Superman lifted the weight of the earth none stop for over a week. And when he was dying from sun poisoning he was still able to lift the weight that can’t even be made in real life
@@Lion-O-Richie2040 exactly. there's multiple versions. there's Viltrumite level versions. there's God-level versions. there's versions that aren't so vulnerable to kryptonite as other versions. lots to choose from. personally i feel like Krypto the damn dog no diffs Nolan
260 times the speed of light is not correct. By season 1 of the show/comic Nolan travels to Thraxa in a week. This puts his speed at around 300 Million times the speed of light. Most everything else was pretty accurate although there are a few other incredible feats of marks you did not mention but they are from comics I have that I haven’t ever seen anyone talk about.
I absolutely love how you put this together as it gives a very good depiction of just how powerful Mark is. Great work and Big Blue would still beat Mark without even having to kill him.😁😎
The only person remotely comparable to prime Superman is one punch, and even then, it’s only because the author wrote him to specifically overpowered as possible with other heros in mind. Superman seems to be the pinnacle of power, along with Goku
@@skeletonofflavor2716 When did starting a statement with bro while describing the obvious became popular, as if none of us can read. Bro thinks that I think Superman and Goku is all there is to fictional strength, all without knowing me or the depth of my knowledge.
@@Yuh_zhimmy I used those examples as they’re popular like Superman, the mentioned anime don’t compare in popularity and most people wouldn’t know anything about them generally. Unless they’re fanatics of course, and fanatics tend not to make up the majority of any given population of any genre statistically.
Lifting weight ≠ punching/striking power. That’s like saying a power lifter punches harder than a pro boxer just because they can lift more. Doesn’t make sense lol
So if the writer of Speedy Gonzales says Speedy is faster than the Flash, would it be truth? It's the Fandom who needs to look at the feeds shown in the material and have to come to a conclusion. A writer can only decide if he invented and has written both Characters.
Okay. What about if the writers of Invincible make Mark stronger than Cosmic Armor Superman? Hm? What then? Nobody wins unless the writer wants them to. It's plain and simple. Stan Lee said it himself
@@VivisSymphonythe writers of invincible have no power over the creator's of cosmic armor superman so therefore this argument is irrelevant there is in no way that the writers can make invincible stronger
At the end of the series it would be a good fight between the two. That being said Invincible could easily just wait Superman out since he will live so much longer. Plus viltramights get stronger with age so Mark only being around 100yo makes him still basically a child compared to his maximum age potential.
I wouldn't say he would live much longer than supes there is a Superman called Strange Visitor Superman and he basically outlived everyone and even grown too strong that he split himself into many different supermen but ultimately he lives long enough to see everyone die and even the last god and the universe perish while yeah this is another version of superman I still think normal Superman can live to be that long.
@@shastacat9632really? Even a child could kill krytonians by just playing with some shiny green rock and it would be easier if the child knows some magic. Come on now
If we take Mark vs Thragg in the Sun as their peak it still pathetic to compare with Superman, who only becomes stronger by this. However, if we take Red Star instead, it immediately changes to the opposite outcome.
Thats true and im no Superman fanboy. I must say Superman would still own him. Mark is lucky Superman holds back enough to not explode or rip his oppoents in half.
Nope. Not even then - supermans' writer would simply invent some excuse, some bull!@#$, to have him still turn the tide and come out on top. You underestimate how cringeworthy DC is.
Mark is like Ross from The Sacred Stones. At first he sucks and in danger in almost every encounter you throw him at, but next thing you know hes soloing bosses on his owm.
Invincible does not have his strength rely on something such as the sun, and as he ages he gets even stronger. Still, he would probably lose against Superman in most cases, but overall, knowing that your powers do not rely on anything vs having them rely on something (the sun) could give Invincible the advantage if he figures out a miracoulus way to weaken Superman by taking him to a red sun, or something of that nature.
There are far more yellow stars in the universe than red stars, Superman doesn't just absorb yellow stars only, he also absorbs solar radiation from blue stars, white stars, orange stars, pulsars, magnetars, and even the hawking radiation that emits from black holes plus red sun radiation doesn't automatically take superman's powers away, he simply can't absorb solar radiation from it cause it's a weak, old star. Superman can go a whole week at the peak of his power before he begins to weaken due to no healthy star around.
Superman has literally fought in the negative zone with the nearest star in site being several galaxies away and still could use his powers. Superman in the comics is so powerful that he can literally absorb the energy of a star no matter where he is in the universe and no matter how far the nearest sun is as long as he isn’t in a dimension that doesn’t have a star. You literally have to send him to another universe without a star at all to depower him or toss him into the surface of a red star. The world forger literally had to create a different universe and put no stars in it just so he could trap Superman.
Mark vs Superman comes down to which version of Superman hes fighting. After all there have been numerous reboots to the character and parallel universe versions of him. Mark in his prime no doubt could beat some versions of Superman but not most of them.
@@23Raindmark is way weaker than the superman killed by ultraman, you are just being biased , but what can I expect you are probably a big Invincible fanboy that would hate to see mark lose, so you can't accept he can be easily defeated by superman
@@NuclearDabattleground I love that you people try to pretend Superman has no weakness and has never been killed 🤣😂🤣 I don't really care about the debate comparing them. I'm only correcting the butthurt attempts to gatekeep the imagination of others.
Little nitpick, the gravity of viltrum being 1.25G would actually make it easier for Mark to smash through it considering the planet and mark would be pulling each other towards themselves faster. more gravity, faster acceleration.
It’s called Smart Atoms and does not only provide resistance to temperature. It’s why viltrumites are so strong and durable. It’s a technology embedded in their DNA and newborn Viltrumites/Hybrids receive this as a genetic trait and will be able to pass that on to their children. Smart Atoms change and regroup to react to different environments, harms and if needed give exceptional strength and stamina. They are also the reason why viltrumites/hybrids can fly. Smart Atoms are the single reason for Viltrumites superhuman ability’s and traits.
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Everyone slight correction., 1600 mach, is 1.2 million miles per hour! ❤😂
1.3 miles per hour!
Hahaha! Yeah. I was like "Hmmm. Bad math but I've never seen 1.3 mph ever said so awesomely!🤣👍
Another correction, Greenland which is what you showed in the video is almost the furthest possible place on the planet you can get away from Antarctica which is where you mentioned he travelled to in 26 seconds.
@@HaloManTheSpider Damn! That's fast lol.
The creator of Invincible didn't specify which timeframe & version Superman he refers.
Nor at what point and timeframe of Invincible's story.
It is absolutely unbelievable that mark can go 1.3 miles per hour. That is too fast
Turns out I walk at over Mach 1700. Viltrumite blood flows within us all
Truly one of the speed feats of all time
The only thing I dislike about this comment is that I wasn't the one to post it first 😂
Me, casually walking at mach 1700 to the shop
Ten times a slug!
Something I think people forget is that Mark is the rightful heir to the viltrumite throne. His grandfather was the emperor that Thadeus killed. He has the genes of the strongest viltrumites. Thragg finds out Nolan is the son of the last emperor and wants to kill him because of that. He literally is viltrumite royalty and it's an important plot point rlthat I think a lot of people forget about. There was no doubt he was going to become one of if not the strongest viltrumite just based off that.
And once he becomes the strongest (hundreds of years later) Superman still obliterates him. Peak superman is literally too OP for movies or cartoons. P.s. the fact that Mark can become the most powerful Viltrimite when he is 1 percent human makes no sense. If every species is below a Viltrimite then how can Mark be stronger than any full blooded Viltrimite? Absolute nonsense Kirkman.
@@23Raind Its quite really sustainable... Mark in their end battle its CLOSE w Thraggs power... (just my assumption, but Ill say he has like 75-80% of Thraggs power, while for example BattleBeast should ve been like 99% lol) while LITERALLY being in age terms for the average Viltrumite a literal child, being somewhere 30yo at that point (looking literally 20 or so), while Thragg, looking like a 35 must be around 1.000-1.500yo (we know that foe example Nolan is +2000yo, tho he does look like 45 or so)... So Mark while being a literal infant in Viltrumites terms, was already stronger than any other Viltrumite aside from Thragg, and any other being except for him and BattleBeast, while in the span of 13 years since the story started he grew from being the weakest Viltrumite ever, during the first few issues w powers, to that.
Just Imagine how much more powerful he became after 500 years, when even Allen who also had several buffs in the story and at the end battle was close too to Thragg, got easily manhandled by 530yo Mark.
I really believe not only that Mark is stronger, but that hes much more powerful by the end of the series than Thragg.
@@jonathansantana6239 The argument is a bit pointless, though. Superman has so many versions, each placed at WILDLY different spots on the power scale... why even try to talk about it when any "official" writer can make-up a new story about Superman (or Mark for that matter) where he suddenly is stronger than whichever version was stronger before. It doesn't obey any law of logic.
@@jonathansantana6239 but can Superman defeat Goku? To him is just a bug defeating a little smaller bug.
@@23Raind The very same Conquest that said “Ur son is ALMOST as strong as u” moments after this, Mark WHO WAS ALMOST AS STRONG AS NOLAN, killed Conquest for the 2nd and final time lol… Conquest is really hyped, but I do think that Nolan is quite stronger than him, he got killed twice by: first time a MUCH weaker Mark than Nolan (w Eves help) n in the second got killed in a completely fair 1v1 by a WEAKER Mark than Nolan. Either that, or Nolans fight IQ is way better than Conquest, who proved himself to be a no brainer lol.
Thragg wasnt toying, the minute he got to the sun he was full on trying to kill Mark, he just couldnt, and Robots armor only made Mark gain a few extra seconds, that were enough to kill Thragg…He literally endured all of Thraggs meanest attacks, while also hurting him lol, yh, Thragg was deffo still stronger, but no way near he was “only toying” dude lmao.
If Thragg were that much stronger as ur claiming it to be, he shouldve been able to torn mark apart easily like he did the previous time, but as we know, Mark got stronger after Eve healed him, while also got stronger due to the time pass.
1.3 miles per hour? He's a god!
Right lmao
Dude isn't even power walking.
Uhh ik it’s a joke but he meant 1,2 million miles
Lmfao.
I had to rewatch that part lol
Compare to God? No, if you can express it in numbers then it is not God.
I love Mark, by the end of Invincible he is unquestionably the strongest character in the series. But comparing him to Superman just isn't fair.
Well yeah, if you wanted powerscaling Metro man from megamind could destroy all of them
@@res6148 All of what? The Viltrumites? Cause bro is not taking Superman either.
@@MandatoryFruit read up on Metroman feats, that man is absolutely wrecking EVERYBODY
@@KhiGuy metro man is not beating Superman.
@@electron9820 Idk bro, Metroman is humbling viltrumites and superman
Superman to Finale Invincible: “Stand proud, you are strong.”
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Man is speedy going 1.3 miles per hour lmao
Made me laugh that that is so slow 🐌 🤣
@@alwayslearning8792 its 1.3 MILLION miles . thats what he meant.
I about spit out my drink when he said “1.3 miles per hour!” Wtf, I had to rewind that.
Actually, Mark was in critical care after his major fight on the surface of the sun. He would’ve died. Along with his opponent. If he didn’t receive aid to leave the sun.
Yes, but he healed in a matter of days.
@@darkenergy9760 if he wasn’t pulled out. He would’ve died. Which was my point.
Added Superman can literally live the sun. The sun environment super charges his powers. The longer he stays in the sun. Then stronger he gets.
@patd9850 Mark was still reasonably young at that point and has grown leagues stronger since then. He could probably endure the core of the sun for a lot longer now. He obviously couldn't just chill inside the sun, like Superman, though. I feel like staying in the sun too long would have some side effects for Superman. Maybe like a bad fever or something. Though Mark just has to not get dragged into the sun, which probably wouldn't be too hard for him. If Mark loses, it's more likely that he would get overpowered in strength than held in the core of the sun for a while.
@@darkenergy9760 In all-star superman staying the sun ended up overcharging his cell and they started to explode he got a lot stronger but at the cost of his life.
Mark is good but simple scaling still has him behind og Big Blue
Even wank scaling won't help him, tbh, even if you don't do any scaling for Superman and only take what he actually, visibly performed in the comics.
Superman does things that are just not compatible with image comics universe. I love invincible and it’s universe, but all of its characters have expressed weaknesses and frequently lose battles. Superman…doesn’t quite work that way. It takes gods and literal unkillable doomsday creatures to beat him. I’m also pretty sure the image comics writer didn’t actually read Superman comics
Yes, and darkseid knew he couldn’t beat him so he recruited him.
Superman gets defeated by a dude with green rocks i mean hes definitely not THAT unkillable
I'm quite sure they did and specifically Due to the insane and sometimes absurd scales that DC comics and Marvel manage, they decided not to make it so broken.
@@ruminantdastellar7740 the main writer said invincible was stronger than Superman, if they didn’t make it so broken he wouldn’t have said that.
@@Deyas786 People always have to do what you did to make other characters seem stronger than Superman. That is, compare the strongest versions of their character to one of the weakest of Superman. People do this with Goku, Invincible, Hulk, whatever... Superman has weaker versions, just like any character, where he's younger and has more vulnerabilities but the strongest versions of Superman have godly powers and no weaknesses.
Invincible fought thragg on the sun and almost died. Superman can walk on the sun and live in its core. And through out the years Superman got powers that made him multi dimensional
😂😂😂😂 this is why I love this channel…..yall keep it real
Superman solos the whole Invincibleverse. The author was straight up spitting some bs.
Marks only alive cause no one ever finished the job and mark ain't lifting the heavens and dragging planets 😂😂 stop trolling
He could literally take all the Viltrumites one time@@vincesaligue5963
@@vincesaligue5963 I wholeheartedly agree!
@@xchimera9552 😂😂 nothing but facts
That last line got me... Was kind of just rolling my eyes because Supes is just untouchable, but you saved the entire video with the final line :)
"flies them to Antartica" *shows map of Greenland*
ABD the fight Mark had against Thragg happened on the surface of the sun, not the core.
it happened in the core.
Didn’t Mark take them to the core further into the fight? 14:45
@@chelseaabel1202 I have read that fight like 25 times, Mark only plunges Thragg into the Sun once. Even at that it it was only 3 panels. After words you can see the many mini solar prominecnes, those weird plasma tentacles on the suns photosphere. So I have no idea why people say they fought at the core.
Also even tho it isn't stated in invincible I am pretty sure robots Armor is many just iron, so the photosphere of the sun would melt it in a matter of seconds.
Now the 500 time skip is a different story, that Mark could probably survive anything.
Superman is unfortunately powered by the sun and once he realizes that Mark is as strong as he is it moves to the sun. Now while Mark can exist in the sun Superman is POWERED by the sun he regenerates faster, moves and thinks faster and is over all better while Mark takes environmental damage overloading his healing factor and eventually vaporizes.
I love Invincible but this comment is facts
So Superman’s only win condition is fighting Mark on a specifically a yellow sun? Mark is strong everywhere Superman is not and for that reason alone mark comes out on top more times then not.
Comics Superman Prime destroyes the whole Invincible universe as a warm up before fighting MUI Goku haha lolz...but any movie or animated version of superman gets torn in half easy by Invincible as he was at the end of the comic after the 500 year time skip
@@jtaz3548 I mean if it’s base level Superman vs Timeskip mark, it’s over for supes, unless he takes the fight into the sun where, mark can SURVIVE, and Superman is POWERED UP. You can imagine what would happen then.
Not the point of Superman.
“1.3 miles per hour” damn that puppy got some get up and go all right
I guess no one watched the whole interview because he stated that he doesn't believe Invincible would win, he just said that because he finds Superman boring.
they definitely didn't.
Hot take: Eve is more powerful than Mark. Can't die, can (when unlocked) rewrite Mark to be stronger. Meaning she could also have taken him apart at the molecular level. Atom Eve could beat ANYONE. Just need to get past one little psychological block she could remove herself one day when things are rough.
On god
superman one-shots, just like the rest of the invincible universe lol. read the comics to know his TRUE power
I hope that's part of her arc in the show. She removes her mental block smh and maybe with that control changes har dna to become a viltrumite and live for thousands of years with Mark and their daughter without having to die of old age to revive herself.
She becomes the most powerful woman in universe alongside the strongest man in the universe. Imagine the HYPE!
@@johnfelix503 she will be God if that happens, imagine being immortal and manipulating both inorganic and organic matter, that's the definition of being God
@@BrianTorres-theRunnernobody cares you superman fanboy😂
Mark can definitely put up a good fight against some versions and even win , but mostly Superman is depicted as a god who lives among men and can shatter planets easily so Mark will lose against those versions.
But still I like Invincible way more because the story , the stakes, the emotions and especially the action with a touch of realism, stating what a world will look like if God like beings exist.
Even though they aren't as strong as Superman but still they are not pushovers, killing a viltrumite isn't that easy because they don't give up easily and have crazy endurance because they are just made to survive extreme situations.
Well you have to read superman comics or see the superman movie to see the stakes,emotions and top notch world class 3d human action with a very greater touch of realism stating how world will look if gods like being exist but to realise all that you have to see the shit.
I love the realism part when mark throws the garbage out of atmosphere almost and it does not even burn a bit even it turns back on earth it doesn't,that realism i like it.
@@noobtube373 bro i have seen the animated series, the recent animated (MAWS) on adult swim, Christopher Reeves Superman movies , Henry Cavill Superman movies, and also watched Live action TV series (Superman and Lois) and even watched the injustice animated movie.
In most of these he's depicted as an alien who came and he's always trying to prove he's as human as the others so it's not like I don't have any idea it's just that Invincible don't hold much back.
I'm very much familiar with Superman depictions as well but Invincible does way better in some sense and I have read the entire 144 issue run of Invincible so I think some shit Superman movies or show's or comics won't show at all.
My favorite quote about superman's power is from Death Battle, "Goku is a character that needs to overcome his limits. Superman has none. He is as strong as he needs to be."
@@mohakarora3375 I agree that Mark does better then any animated superman right now,but comics superman still vaporizes negative dif.
Just because the creator of Invincible says Mark can beat Superman, doesn't mean he can. He may own Invincible, but he doesn't own Superman.
It would be different if he owned both of them, but he doesn't. So he doesn't really have authority over saying his character should be stronger than someone who he doesn't own.
It's like some kid on the playground saying his imaginary character beats the pre-established game characters your playing
Especially if he fights the Superman that spent 10 millennia on the surface of the sun and becomes essentially omnipotent
Lol when a creator creates a whole species so that he can claim that they can take on and defeat superman lol😂😂
Facts, Just because the creator of Invincible, Robert Kirkman, says that Mark Grayson can beat Superman, it doesn't necessarily mean that he actually could. While Kirkman is the creative force behind Invincible and has a deep understanding of Mark's abilities, he doesn't have the same level of control over Superman, who is owned by DC Comics.
The strength and capabilities of comic book characters are often determined by the writers and editors who work on them, and these can change over time depending on the needs of the story. While Kirkman's opinion on Mark's potential victory over Superman is certainly interesting, it's not definitive, and it would ultimately be up to the writers and editors of DC Comics to decide whether or not such a scenario could actually play out.
It's also worth noting that the outcome of a fight between two superheroes can often depend on a variety of factors beyond their raw power levels, such as the environment in which the fight takes place, the characters' mental states, and even a bit of luck. So even if Mark were to hypothetically possess the power to defeat Superman, there's no guarantee that he would actually be able to do so in a real fight.
And, the question of whether or not Mark Grayson could beat Superman is a matter of opinion and speculation. While Kirkman's statement certainly adds to the discussion, it doesn't provide a definitive answer. Only time and the creative decisions of the writers and editors will tell if such a battle will ever take place and who would ultimately emerge victorious.
Actually your explanation does not make sense Goku can beat super man he doesn't own Goku does he
Superman’s feats far exceed Invincible’s to my knowledge. Let’s see here, Superman has towed an entire galaxy, went back in time through sheer speed, has complete immunity to 50 million degrees within the center of the sun, doesn’t ever age, and he can become even stronger after bathing in the sun for an extended period of time. I’m not too sure about Invincible’s feats, but I don’t think I’m aware of him doing anything that crazy.
kriptonite solos superman
Depends on which variant of Superman. Superman Prime One Million for instance has no weaknesses to kryptonite. All-Star Superman when supercharged by the sun has complete immunity to green kryptonite, but is susceptible to others. Kryptonite by itself may or may not be lethal depending on which Superman we’re discussing. Honestly, magic packs more of a punch than kryptonite does.
If you count the Snyder cut movie, Superman took a full swing from Steppenwolfs axe. This is a being who's a gazillion times more powerful than an average man swinging an axe full force at Superman and it didn't even ruffle his suit.
I think people have the image of superman not being as strong as he is because they only see the film adaptations really don't show things that are as impressive as what Omni man does (wiping out an entire civilization in one episode etc.). Also Invincible is just a lot bloodier and more gory than the DC films so when you see damage done to characters by somebody like Omni man it stays in your head more and gives you the false sense that he's stronger.
as far as animated supermen go invincible can win against all if not most and for comic book supermen he most of them easily vaporize him
Superman can one tap Omni-Man Invincible wouldn't even need that.
At The End of his Arch Superman can still thrash him it would just not be a one shot deal.
Respect and keep up the epic work.
no it would still be a one shot easily negative deficulty for superman
Superman and Omni-Man are both incredibly powerful characters, and it's difficult to say definitively who would win in a fight. However, I believe that Superman has the potential to defeat Omni-Man, but it would not be an easy fight.
Superman has a number of advantages over Omni-Man, including his heat vision, super strength, and invulnerability. He is also more experienced in combat, and he has a better understanding of his own powers.
Omni-Man, on the other hand, is incredibly strong and durable. He is also a skilled fighter, and he has a ruthlessness that Superman does not.
And, the outcome of a fight between Superman and Omni-Man would depend on a number of factors, including the environment in which the fight took place, the mental state of the combatants, and a bit of luck. However, I believe that Superman has the potential to win, even if it would be a very difficult fight.
@@Suto_Ko it isn't difficult for rent at all. The environment has no matter because whatever environment he's in, there isn't really anything Omni man can do to him that would affect him.
If we want to make it at least somewhat, a fair fight, let's do random encounter in the middle of the road, sure Omni is ruthless, strong, yet he's not stronger nor faster or more durable than Superman.
Not to mention, I'd say, Superman is also more skilled than Omni-man, considering he's trained with Batman, Wonder Woman, and knows, ancient kryptonian fighting techniques. Not to mention the hundreds of other things he's learned while flying across the galaxy.
The most setback that we need to worry about given the encounter I planted is civilian casualties, and due to his super speed, he'd be able to evacuate entire block before Omni-man can blink.
I'd also like to give you the fact that Superman has powers over Omni-man to. His laser vision can travel as fast as the flash( depending on what speed he's going, in which flash it is) not to mention cities if you wanted to.
Omni-man has an innate weakness, tie, frequency noises which Superman can exploit using his supersonic extreme. he also has ice breath, and super breath.
You also bring up the fact that he's invulnerable which Superman is two into a higher extent, given that he can literally fly into the sun and not take any damage while Omni-man can only stay near the sun for a limited amount of time before he's completely annihilated.
@@Suto_Ko Superman would literally wash him and it’s not even close. Base comic Superman solos the verse
@@Suto_KoChatGPT ass responds
can't forget that superman can perform an instant lobotomy with his xray vision and heat vision. Invincible can't beat that for sure.
Well based off the end of Invincible Mark could definitely put up a good fight against supes, but the gap closes with every year on mark's age- so the question becomes: how old must mark be to kill superman?
infinity
Supermans heatvision can lobotomize opponents or he can aim for the ears (viltrimite weakness)
Broski, there are an infinite amount of numbers@@millerrepin4452
I'd say 5 quintillion years old
@@millerrepin4452 Well based on how strong he is by the end of the series and hes only like a hundred.... Id give it maybe a 1k-1.8k years before he can confidently beat supes. And the laser beam thing? He can definitely react to that by the end of the series so by this time he can block it and take damn near no damage from it and still have time to react to supes going in for a swing
Superman gets to his prime version way before Mark gets anywhere close to his level so there's no catching up for Mark.
@@jamesyount2423 irrelevant to my comment.
The part were he said "he might be able to lift your mum" is crazy because we Americans don't have horse teeth even though the dentist is expensive
Nope. He would just break his hand on Superman's face. If you've ever seen the feats of strength attributed to Superman in the Superman comics, Mark Grayson (Invincible) is a complete non-entity in comparison.
Yep because superman is an extremely poorly written character, 100% agree
@@MyopicPowerhouse Yeah, physics need not apply lol.
@@MyopicPowerhousethey're always giving him new abilities 💀
That’s a terrible take. The argument for superman is people pulling out specific comic runs where he goes OP like superman 1 million and comparing it to a young mark from the show. Normal adult superman with no wild power buffs like DCAU vs fully grown leader of the viltrumite empire mark which is simply mark fully grown and not a child anymore goes to mark quite easily, he becomes the strongest being in the galaxy while it’s commonly known superman gets wrecked by characters like darkside quite often except when he gets some kind of power boosts. The writer of the comics confirmed it. Superman would destroy every other viltrumite tho only thragg has a chance
The same energy as George RR Martin saying Jaime Lannister could beat Aragorn, which is impossible.
Everyone in the comments saying how Invincible could never touch Superman. Most versions of Superman aren't so ridiculously OP that they destroy universes or worlds. Yes Superman is strong but the average version of Superman vs grown Invisible is definitely no cakewalk for Superman...
Superman can literally bathe in the Sun, and we’ve seen what happens to Viltrumites if they stay in the Sun for far too long.
I love how much of Dragon Ball things are in Invincible series :P
For and example - Mark is literally alternate version of Son Gohan - they both have significant power boost when they rage. They both are sons of powerful alien warrior race fathers and earthling mothers.
Plus this galactic conquest thing :P
yeah i see it
Yeah I do kinda get Saiyan vibes from Viltrumites, for sure.
3:00 they need to give whoever designed that trash bag a huge raise and get them working for NASA. A bag of trash that his strong enough to not get ripped to shreds from being thrown into orbit from either Mark's hand or from the super sonic wind drag is a feat that went over everyone's head.
I always envision a spin off sort of comic where future Emperor Mark, goes back in time and pays Thragg a little visit.
The sheer terror in Thraggs eyes as he's getting completely ragdolled by another viltrumite, even worse when he recognizes who he is :D
I just want to point out, besides the sun argument, omni man was destroyed with experimental b0mbs, while they never did make a weapon that could destroy superman, even in the dark knight, superman survives and absorbs live energy around him.
I really like invincible, but Mark only ever gets the shit beaten out of him in it. lol The cartoon I mean, I haven't read the comic.
It’s not true at all. Just because he wants his character to be stronger than Superman doesn’t mean it’s true. There are plenty of times we’ve seen viltrimites get beat to a pulp. The only time I’ve ever seen Superman get beat to death was by doomsday a entity just as powerful as him
@jamesphilip4562 well he could do that easy by just continue the story and give Mark better feats than superman but i Dont think that will happen since the Story is canonly finished but in Theorie i think its very easy to write a character stronger than 99% of all versions of Superman whit the only exeption being CAS witch thenicaly isnt realy a true Version of supes since he is Made from aliens and more a self improfing cyborg than a biological being he most likely dosent count in the matchup and even if he counts if the Autor realy wants to he might just end up asking nerds in reddit how to Make a stronger character than CAS and how to counter his insane hax and power Adaption its similar to finding Way to Beat the kid that always will say your nuber plus 1 in a who knows the bigger Number Duell... So it will be Hard but still possible probably he is lazy he can just give him concept erasure and absolut omnicience what should prevent CAS from killing him AS child or absorbing his universe well it unclear if not CAS just adapt to Marks abbilty to negate Any Adaption so it still would End in a draw since if both have infinte Speed both abbiltys would be instant and preventing both from wining the uperhand but i think since the omnisience Mark could know CAS atack before it happens even if he timetravels before his own birth so i think Mark whould draw that in that Setting... But just as said before i do not realy count CAS as a Superman so the Autor could probably to 99 % write him stronger than superman
if there is a crossover story who wins the fight and is stronger will be what ever the author says it is. They entertain not compare stats.
Of course it's not true - it's Supercringeman. He's a walking Deux Ex Machina. The writers just do whatever the !@#$ they wan't because they coulnd't care less about the quality of DC's writing.
so gohan powers gets stronger with emotions due to being half human
Pretty sure Superman once sneezed a solar system away and if we're using post crisis pretty sure he's blown up a planet.
Other Viltrumites: so how did you die?
Conquest: there's this younger Viltrumite...
Other Viltrumites: and?
Conquest: he headbutt me to death...
Other Viltrumites: what?
😅😂😂😂 i guess he forgot all of superman's feets. 10000000000000% crushes anything these copycats have done
I think Mark could catch up Superman, likely at the age of Conquest and trainining his entire life until that point. Superman travels Galaxies in seconds, lifts entire solar systems and has been even able to move stars, don't ask me how he did that but, the point is that maybe Mark could catch up. If and only if, the autor confirms that they don't have a limit power and can become stronger with training without a top, then Mark theorically could out power Superman.
He's Gohan. Got it.
Lots of people tend to ignore the upgrade Mark got from Eve. Mark isnt just a viltrumite of royal blood destined to outgrow even thragg, he is also an upgraded (down to molecular level) viltrumite who got redesigned by his badass wife.
I still think superman finds a way to win coz “he is superman”, but this is one of those cases where a fair argument can be made that big blue should lose.
superman wouldnt really need to find a way his recent showings put him at an absolutely absurd level, if mark was as strong as superman is in comics there wouldnt be a story
Shove a piece of kryptonite in supe's face and he crumbles like a toddler. Mark is Invincible.
Superman's heat ray vision is enough to kill Invincible.
I doubt he'd have to do that he can lobotomize mark with a stare by using his heat vision in a microscopic manner like he did to Manchester Black viltrimites can't heal if their brains or hearts are too damaged.
no its not.
@@rustyshield if the sun can hurt Invincible then his heat vision will hurt him as well
@@rustyshield Supermans heat vision can work like a scalpel capable of lobotomizing opponents if superman wanted to. Hell superman could even aim for the ears (viltrimite weakness)
There seems to be some power differences in the series versus the comics. In the comics, how many men beat the guardians with absolute ease, as were in the show, he was actually be in into a coma.
thats true but even the invincible comics just really dont stand a chance to absolutely absurd powerscaling that DC has
I would assume that by the end of the series, Mark is probably 100+ to have grey hairs. We really don't know how quickly he ages, but if it's anything close to true Viltrumites, he's the equivalent of a human in their early 30s (around the time people start getting grey hairs). There is no reason Eve can't be over 100 years old, considering her body (after being rebuilt) was probably perfect and she had the benefit of alien technology and medicines to extend her life.
That was a very short sponsor thing but it still got the point through
Respect man
Comics strongest Superman demolishes all Viltramites at the same time bro is leagues above Lil Mark 💀
Facts... Watching a few videos where they break down feats, prime superman (before the new 52 as that superman is one most are familiar with) superman one shots every viltrimite ever.
And thats just one version of many many versions of superman. Superman 1 million would literally sneeze them out of existence that's how powerful he is, he can reconstruct and revive dna... Let alone anything else and has cosmic like powers which are basically endless. It's just not a comparison lol, and again that's just one version of almost endless supermen.
even new 52 who could lift the weight of earth for days on end and could punch hard enough to shake the earth to the upper atmosphere claps
It's some crazy ass superman out there, I know it's a few invincible but the main one is the strongest and I just do see it
I think the point is that the mix of vilturmite and human. The acceptation from other vilturmite/human is he is like 99 percent vilturmite and 1 percent human. Somehow that makes him better than the rest. At full strength he probably will be able to fly in the sun. Even though the original leader died that way
I agree with the final statement. For one thing, Supes gets even stronger if he gets thrown inside a sun. At least a yellow one.
honestly anytime anyone mentions superman, the sups fans go "HE CAN GO IN A SUN TO BE STRONGER".
yes.
he can.
it happens... almost never? even when fighting things that can kill superman.
It's not like his signature move or something, it happens in a few comic strips and is shown more as a last resort move than something superman always does when fighting a strong opponent.
Shit honestly my main argument would be "superman regenerates really fucking fast"
or "superman has better strength feats"
Or literally anything else. But no, everyone always goes "he can go in the sun"
fucking brainless.
Scaling power levels makes no sense because these media are not guided by logic, but by what the author wants to show at a given moment.
Creators of Death Battle would have something to say about that
If you mention Superman and don't tag "infinite power" on his name, they get mad.
Like really mad, not surface mad but you could tell the anger in their convention with basic psychology several years ago.
❤Not to mention, if Mark gets out of his prime, get around Eave when she is about to die, and her powers will work on him, making him younger and stronger.
I don’t think people understand that Superman literally lifted infinity and dived in the sun & took 0 damage.
Superman also took a hit from a beam that was going to destroy the multiverse.
Mark could barely survive in the surface of the sun.
Don’t forget Superman did these feats while holding back because he does not want to kill or destroy the planet accidentally.
CHERRY ON TOP THERE IS A VERSION OF SUPERMAN THAT LITERALLY COULD DESTORY THE UNIVERSE WITH THE SNAP OF HIS FINGER
Superman's cells feed off of the Sun. no damage would be taken anyways
Anyone think invincible chracters can sracth or even beat comic superman gotta be delusional
Mark is like solar system lvl max
With mftl speed
A heavily lowball superman is outerversal with infinite speed
Power scale some women dude
@@SelfinflictedhummusrocketThose exist?
@@Selfinflictedhummusrocket ??
I legit dont umderstand what you mean
@@lucionjones8685 invincible would body superman ten times over and for some reason you're taking it personally 🤣
@@Selfinflictedhummusrocket yes cant belive these stupid superman fanboys...post mark who beat thrgg can beat normal versions of superman
Mark tends to pull his punches and hold back when hes fighting. Hes knows hes strong and is too afraid he'll kill someone. Even later in the story when he has to fight for his life, Omni Man tells his to stop holding back, then he starts to kicks ass but fails in the end because he tried to show mercy to someone trying to murder his face.
Superman doesn’t need air in space, Mark has to hold his breath. A couple punches to knock the wind out and it’s game over
I can see the argument working for Mark winning but it depends on what era superman he’s fighting… if he fights Superman at an early stage like before superman has ever fought another entity like himself so first one he fights is Zod really… but when super man is like peak power house and lobotomises doomsday etc and beats the shit outta darkseid etc… that superman probably beats the shit outta anybody in invincible plus there was that whole period in the 80’s where superman just got whatever power he needed… and that shit was mad so if its that guy its again a no contest but if its early sups and peak mark it micht just go the other way… cause mark fought alot of scary dudes… but in terms of raw strength that alot of this video is about nothing matches sups toeing planets on a chain through space… there’s cruise shit and then there’s multiple planets… like its a fucking necklace… and supes really does have more powers. Like if in real trouble can do that turn back time shit, mark can’t do that.
Use some spaces, jeeeeeez. Start new sentences.
@@Lion-O-Richie2040 Okay, english teacher. Is my reply correct enough for you?
When Mark is angry and like 5000 yrs old he would probably win. I mean yeah superman may be a bit stronger but he’s a hero and I really think he would hold back his punches.
Bruh, Superman is a solar battery, the closer he is to the Sun the stronger he is, and Mark and Thragg fought in the Sun and the oldest strongest die, Mark only survived, because he was save, you cant do that to Superman.
He isn’t even close to most comic Superman, probably all unless they are nerfed for plot purposes. Just because he wrote mark doesn’t make him correct, I mean if he wrote Superman into his story, seems like Superman would loose, but Superman is definitely not weaker.
superman would stand a chance if a common green rock wasn’t his weakness.
@@thatonekidnamedevan3455 he overcomes kryptonite and it isn’t a random green rock? It is a space rock that is very rare. Besides this random green rock admits radiation, a certain one that targets kryptonians
@@godlygamer2466 when did he overcome kryptonite? and it couldn’t be rare if humans can get it and make bullets out of it. not to mention he needs a specific star to be nearby for him to have his powers.
@@thatonekidnamedevan3455 kryptonite isn’t available in the invincible universe I don’t even know why your first resort is to bring up kryptonite as Superman has stats that make Marks look insignificant. He has plenty of instances where it doesn’t effect him however I don’t see why that is relevant when discussing who is stronger. He gets stronger around a star, that doesn’t mean he won’t have access to the stars or he will be completely drained while fighting mark.
@@godlygamer2466 kryptonite is available in the dc universe so i don’t understand why you mention it’s not in the invinsible universe. you say there’s many instances where he’s not affected by kryptonite but there’s also many more instances where he is affected. also viltrimites can literally escape the force of a black hole in the comics, meaning they have to be faster than the speed of light, and mark becomes more powerful than all of them. i don’t think superman has ever passed a speed benchmark at near light speed.
Mark Could But the Question is Which Superman, Its the same argument when it come to Goku, there are superman that Goku can completely destroy & Superman where Goku would stand a chance, same applies to mark
3:30 “15,000 km to Antarctica” (points to North Pole)
The Invincible Author is smoking lol. Superman’s objective feats >>>>> His subjective claims.
The real question is why is thragg so strong 😂
And Superman lifted the weight of the earth none stop for over a week. And when he was dying from sun poisoning he was still able to lift the weight that can’t even be made in real life
Thing is, you have to be specific with which superman you’re mentioning.
@@Lion-O-Richie2040 exactly. there's multiple versions. there's Viltrumite level versions. there's God-level versions. there's versions that aren't so vulnerable to kryptonite as other versions. lots to choose from. personally i feel like Krypto the damn dog no diffs Nolan
@@Lion-O-Richie2040New 52
@@Lion-O-Richie2040we can just use new52 Superman. I think that was the one that held the weight of the earth.
260 times the speed of light is not correct. By season 1 of the show/comic Nolan travels to Thraxa in a week. This puts his speed at around 300 Million times the speed of light. Most everything else was pretty accurate although there are a few other incredible feats of marks you did not mention but they are from comics I have that I haven’t ever seen anyone talk about.
That garbage bag thrown in space and re-entering earths orbit without breaking was the most impressive. OP garbage bag.
I absolutely love how you put this together as it gives a very good depiction of just how powerful Mark is.
Great work and Big Blue would still beat Mark without even having to kill him.😁😎
@@23Raind Superman.
@@23Raind WTF?
@@23Raind probably woke nonsense. I am an old school comics fan and haven't bought any of the crap they've been putting out for decades.
Let's talk about the durability of that trash bag that he threw into orbit.
The only person remotely comparable to prime Superman is one punch, and even then, it’s only because the author wrote him to specifically overpowered as possible with other heros in mind. Superman seems to be the pinnacle of power, along with Goku
Goku isn’t even close to the pinnacle of power. Other Anime verses like fate and gurren lagann Easily solo all of db
Bro thinks the three strongest characters in fiction are Goku Saitama and Superman
Franklin Richard solos.
@@skeletonofflavor2716 When did starting a statement with bro while describing the obvious became popular, as if none of us can read. Bro thinks that I think Superman and Goku is all there is to fictional strength, all without knowing me or the depth of my knowledge.
@@Yuh_zhimmy I used those examples as they’re popular like Superman, the mentioned anime don’t compare in popularity and most people wouldn’t know anything about them generally. Unless they’re fanatics of course, and fanatics tend not to make up the majority of any given population of any genre statistically.
Moving 260× the speed of light would still take someone thousands of years to fly to the nearest galaxy Andromeda
Yeah, but he'd be going back in time so he'd actually arrive there earlier than he left.
Superman’s lore is almost 100 years old IRL bro, ain’t no way he’s losing…
The strength of the trash bag Mark throws!
HEFTY, HEFTY, HEFTY
Trash bag scaling?
Yes, well, of course the answer here is that Superman is as powerful as the story needs him to be.
Yes, and whatever story Superman is in immediately becomes trash, cringeworthy, and a complete write-off.
If it's the Superman that can lift almost 3 times the mass of the moon with one hand the odds would be definitely against Mark.
Lifting weight ≠ punching/striking power. That’s like saying a power lifter punches harder than a pro boxer just because they can lift more. Doesn’t make sense lol
@@Shroudpwnsu Superman is also faster than Mark though.
@@Shroudpwnsu Superman destroyed a multiverse with a single punch. Now tell me any Invincible's feats on that level.
“hE’s sToNgEr tHAn sUpeR-mAn” sounds like a cope from the creator
btw every time Eve dies of age she just kinda resets back to being like 20
So if the writer of Speedy Gonzales says Speedy is faster than the Flash, would it be truth? It's the Fandom who needs to look at the feeds shown in the material and have to come to a conclusion. A writer can only decide if he invented and has written both Characters.
So let's do a example of what superman at his strong Virgins can actually do Super boy prime. Cosmic armored superman. Drop the mic 😂😂😂😂
Okay. What about if the writers of Invincible make Mark stronger than Cosmic Armor Superman? Hm? What then? Nobody wins unless the writer wants them to. It's plain and simple. Stan Lee said it himself
@@VivisSymphonythe writers of invincible have no power over the creator's of cosmic armor superman so therefore this argument is irrelevant there is in no way that the writers can make invincible stronger
@@NuclearDabattleground Actually if you knew how writing works, you'd know you can write anything you want. Hope this helps! :3
At the end of the series it would be a good fight between the two. That being said Invincible could easily just wait Superman out since he will live so much longer. Plus viltramights get stronger with age so Mark only being around 100yo makes him still basically a child compared to his maximum age potential.
Superman pretty much doesn't age when he filled up with that yellow sun goodness.
Invincible is great but anywhere near the yellow sun sadly no vitrumite stands a chance against Superman
I wouldn't say he would live much longer than supes there is a Superman called Strange Visitor Superman and he basically outlived everyone and even grown too strong that he split himself into many different supermen but ultimately he lives long enough to see everyone die and even the last god and the universe perish while yeah this is another version of superman I still think normal Superman can live to be that long.
old "shazam looking mark" trumps Thragg by leaps and bounds but he's still getting wrecked by Superman
Anyone can create a fictional character stronger than another fictional character
1.3 mph doesnt seem very fast
Imagine a Viltrumite - Kryptonian Hybrid ... All the power but no weakness!
i think it would just be a debuff to the kryptonian
@@shastacat9632really? Even a child could kill krytonians by just playing with some shiny green rock and it would be easier if the child knows some magic. Come on now
My made up character can beat invincible. EZ clap.
Crazy to think by invincible season 8 it’d be 100 years passed on their world and like 8 years in real time 💀
What i love about invincible is because its a single run comic the pacing and growth of invincible is consistent.
Is Mark "invincible" against Saitama's one punch?
Technically yes but only until Saitama eventually outscales him like cosmic garou
No.
@@kimjrYTcurrent Saitama already outscales him.
If we take Mark vs Thragg in the Sun as their peak it still pathetic to compare with Superman, who only becomes stronger by this.
However, if we take Red Star instead, it immediately changes to the opposite outcome.
Thats true and im no Superman fanboy. I must say Superman would still own him. Mark is lucky Superman holds back enough to not explode or rip his oppoents in half.
Nope. Not even then - supermans' writer would simply invent some excuse, some bull!@#$, to have him still turn the tide and come out on top.
You underestimate how cringeworthy DC is.
I wonder why conquest couldn't regenerate his eye or arm
I think it was due to a disease
The scourge virus weakened their healing factor it's always why he didn't wah a hand no more he couldn't regenerate it cause the virus made them weak
Hey mate awesome video, but at 3:30 you picture The Arctic and not Antarctica. Its about the same distance so the maths isnt too far off.
Mark is like Ross from The Sacred Stones. At first he sucks and in danger in almost every encounter you throw him at, but next thing you know hes soloing bosses on his owm.
Invincible does not have his strength rely on something such as the sun, and as he ages he gets even stronger. Still, he would probably lose against Superman in most cases, but overall, knowing that your powers do not rely on anything vs having them rely on something (the sun) could give Invincible the advantage if he figures out a miracoulus way to weaken Superman by taking him to a red sun, or something of that nature.
He literally wouldn’t get the chance to take Superman to a red sun he’d get spiked in a second, there is virtually no way he could beat Kal El
There are far more yellow stars in the universe than red stars, Superman doesn't just absorb yellow stars only, he also absorbs solar radiation from blue stars, white stars, orange stars, pulsars, magnetars, and even the hawking radiation that emits from black holes plus red sun radiation doesn't automatically take superman's powers away, he simply can't absorb solar radiation from it cause it's a weak, old star. Superman can go a whole week at the peak of his power before he begins to weaken due to no healthy star around.
Superman has literally fought in the negative zone with the nearest star in site being several galaxies away and still could use his powers. Superman in the comics is so powerful that he can literally absorb the energy of a star no matter where he is in the universe and no matter how far the nearest sun is as long as he isn’t in a dimension that doesn’t have a star. You literally have to send him to another universe without a star at all to depower him or toss him into the surface of a red star. The world forger literally had to create a different universe and put no stars in it just so he could trap Superman.
@@calebstephan2083 cool story, Omni man is stronger than that though.
@@metamind8674 depends on the writer man. In other stories superman gets weakened by red sun generators or whatever in like 5 seconds
Mark vs Superman comes down to which version of Superman hes fighting. After all there have been numerous reboots to the character and parallel universe versions of him. Mark in his prime no doubt could beat some versions of Superman but not most of them.
Doesn't matter, he whoops them all.
@@DadeMurphieno Superman farts and Invincible is killed
@@23Raindmark is way weaker than the superman killed by ultraman, you are just being biased , but what can I expect you are probably a big Invincible fanboy that would hate to see mark lose, so you can't accept he can be easily defeated by superman
@@23Raind my point still stand mark is way weaker than superman , and every single superman without a doubt
@@NuclearDabattleground I love that you people try to pretend Superman has no weakness and has never been killed 🤣😂🤣
I don't really care about the debate comparing them. I'm only correcting the butthurt attempts to gatekeep the imagination of others.
Superman’s power goes all over the place. Invincible can get he on a off day, but not more than that
Man what.
@@edge1247 Superman have major debuffs. From the eye beams to the green rocks, the fact that Lex is a threat makes him defeat-able
Little nitpick, the gravity of viltrum being 1.25G would actually make it easier for Mark to smash through it considering the planet and mark would be pulling each other towards themselves faster. more gravity, faster acceleration.
It’s called Smart Atoms and does not only provide resistance to temperature. It’s why viltrumites are so strong and durable. It’s a technology embedded in their DNA and newborn Viltrumites/Hybrids receive this as a genetic trait and will be able to pass that on to their children.
Smart Atoms change and regroup to react to different environments, harms and if needed give exceptional strength and stamina. They are also the reason why viltrumites/hybrids can fly. Smart Atoms are the single reason for Viltrumites superhuman ability’s and traits.