Iraq. 20 Years After Toppling Saddam.
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ISIS: A History, 2012 r., F. Gerges
Anatomia Irackiej Rewolucji (PDF), 2019 r., T. Rydelek
Population Inflation and Demographic Shifts in Iraq: A Challenge to Human Security and An Entry Point for Political and Societal Destabilization, 2022 r., Al Bayan Center
Religion, Violence, and the State in Iraq, 2019 r., POMEPS
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Fun Fact - The U.S. and 68 other countries lost to Afghanstan after instigating the confIict back in 2001.
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Thx for everything
Why did you not call the war an illegal invasion?
@@NestNext what would you call the invasion of Kuwait by Iraq?
As an Iraqi who lived through all these crazy events, I can confirm that this is the best historical and detailed video that is not biased towards any party to the Iraq war. Thank you
Incorrect and exaggerated video
Were you living in Iraq, for the period, when the USA Invaded & Occupied it? Where are you living now?
@@dinonazamodeen5694 Yes, I've lived through all of this and seen very bad things Yes, I live in Iraq now
@@iraq.1958 من اي ناحيه مبالغ فيه ؟
@@MrCrow-xg8el cute Iraqi🥺🥺🥺😊
The mention of Paul Bremer is essential to understanding the failure of American policy in Iraq. He was given an impossible mandate, ridiculous amounts of power, and very little guidance. In both Iraq and Afghanistan, there appears to have been a bigotry of low expectations in the minds of the bureaucrats wherein they didn't believe the people could or should have the same rights and institutions that America has. Iraq can only survive as a federal state, but they based the federal divisions on sectarian concerns. This is more reminiscent of the British colonial policies of divide and conquer, than any sort of nation-building.
Furthermore, it is my understanding that the US military requested that the Iraqi Army remain in place in order to keep order as looting had become common in the large cities. They were well aware that foreign troops should not be used as a police force. Bremer ignored this and disbanded that military without having any ability to account for the weapons which the men possessed. Frankly, the Cold War policy of giving power to a sympathetic dictator would have likely been more successful than this half-hearted attempt at democracy.
The US military did not lose the Vietnam War, the Iraq War, or the Afghan War - the bureaucrats did.
The us military lost the fucking Vietnam war, agree with you on the other two though
We don’t lose wars, we lose interest and go home. We never intended to stay, the people of those nations have no real power to affect Americans at home. If by some lucky chance they did? Remember all those cities we burned to the ground in WW2.
I remember reading his book on his whole time in Iraq as a 15-16 year old in mid 2000s and thinking the whole time "what a stupid decision" at multiple points hahah. Even as a teenager. Biggest mistake being disbanding the Iraqi Army and his handling of Sunni vs Shia relations.
@@lproth The United states dropped ~7.6 million bombs in Vietnam, over TWICE the amount dropped by the USA and Britain in WW2, additionally the past 1000 YEARS of Vietnam history has been them fighting wars of liberation every other generation because they wanted to be free of and they were willing and DID pay the price to not have kowtow to either side during the cold war. The United states military lost in Vietnam. Over 50,000 US soldiers and an estimated 3.1 million vietnamese died
@@lproth Exactly. They're not.... true wars of conquer or for self defense. Just interest affairs. An extension of politics, which all war is, but if it's not life and death and only about influence or national interest, well, eventually those get out-weighed by other concerns. Unlike basic survival or wars to remain independent and defend yourself tend to.
Great summary! As other have mentioned, Bremer's decisions have been absolutely catastrophic. It's stunning that no one objected to this plan, or wondered what might happen if you fired 375,000 men with military training from the armed forces all at once. What could possibly go wrong?!
Why Iraqis didnt stand by their army?
@@meatrealwishes what does it mean to "stand by their army" ?
There were many in the US military who did challenge Paul Bremer on his decisions. Jay Garner was the first American in charge of the reconstruction of Iraq. He fought against the White House policy of getting rid of the Ba’ath party and expanding the Iraqi army. He wanted to hold elections within 90 days, and then pull all US forces out of the cities and let Baghdad determine the future. The White House was pushing to privatize the economy prior to any elections. General Garner did not have the same imperialistic tendencies as members of the bush administration did. He was removed rapidly and replaced with Paul Bremer.
@@specter7-1977 Thanks for the comment! Jay Garner is definitely worth mentioning on this topic, although his own decisions were also criticized at the time before he was replaced. An important one was his selection of five leaders to head a transitional government, which had only one fully Shi'a member and 3 Sunnis when the Shi'a made up 55-60% of the population vs 35-40% Sunni. This caused issues immediately, as you'd expect. At a higher level going into this war with such a complete lack of understanding of the ethnic makeup of Iraq and the relations between these groups was one of the most important mistakes of the Bush administration.
*edit:* I found this amazing quote by Bremer given to PBS Frontline: "I think the decision not to recall Saddam's army, from a political point of view, is the single most important correct decision that we made in the 14 months we were there". Wow.
@@desmond-hawkins when was that quote said?
Wild how nobody is in jail for this war.
Why would they be? They're not accountable to anyone.
The Americans are worse than the Russians
It's a testament to the power of US diplomacy. That said, a number of the architects - Wolfowitz for example - cannot enter ICC countries or they'll be obliged to arrest him.
@@user_____M Yet the Western media condemns Russia and wants him to be accountable. The West can call others warlords and hold them accountable but then Western leadership can't be held accountable?
Who would put them there?
The US meticulously planned the military campaign in Iraq, while putting almost zero thought into what they would do after the military campaign was over. If I remember correctly, Bremmer was put in charge of the "transition" just weaks before the attack was launched. His strategy sounded like something sketched out on a cocktail napkin during a Republican campaign luncheon, and quickly descended into chaos. Bremmer's response to the chaos was to fly billions of dollars of American cash loaded on pallets around Iraq trying to buy everyone off. All he accomplished was to lose billions in cash. The Bush administration lied about the reasons for invasion, put zero effort into gaming out the consequences, and then patted themselves on the back and left behind a complete disaster that the region will probably never recover from.
Don’t act like the democrats were fully on board aswell, bush’s administration didn’t intervene with the invasion without the go ahead form the democrat, republican, and the intelligence establishments.
yep. Well said.
There's a very Eurocentric mindset that seems to not appreciate non-Western culture.
The concept of "nation-building" is an arrogant assumption of superiority that just doesn't work.
Well there is some chance of recovery now that the middle east countries like iran and saudi have regained ties and they are getting closer to syria, iraq and egypt.
Omg, that is one of the best synopsis of the Iraq fiasco I've ever read.
A thing that is way too rarely talked about is the devastating effect of the invasion and of the subsequent persecution by ISIS in the following decade on the numbers of the Assyrian Christian population in Iraq. The last official Iraqi census in 1987 counted 1.4 Million Christian in the country (which would fit later reported pre-invasion estimates of more than 1.5 Million Christians in Iraq and thereof around 1.4 Million Assyrians before 2003). The most recent number I was able to find is from an organization (Shlama Foundation), which "has determined the Assyrian population of Iraq to be at a total of 142,105 in October 2022." The ongoing exodus of the last 20 years led to an unprecedented decline of the indigenous population of Mesopotamia, from which they might never recover again.
A lot of us have left abroad but interestingly enough there seems to be a new patriotism within young assyrians that desire to return back to their homeland
Kinda like the 4th Crusade which led to a decline in Christianity in Anatolia, ironic huh, this war accomplished what ISIS could not, make that region more Islamic
Yes, it's a great tragedy. These people have suffered for hundreds of years - a veritable nation of martyrs. May God protect them.
Yeah. it's a real shame which is further compounded by the fact that the Assyrian genocide (Seyfo) is relatively* unknown/unrecognised in the International Community at large.
@@mioszduby2842 They did not 'suffer' for hundreds of years. They were able to survive there for centuries since the middle ages because they did NOT suffer, there were policies that allowed their communities to exist. But when foreigners invade, radicalization happens.
Situations such as Iraq and now Ukraine are examples of the maxim "just because you can doesn't mean you should"
The invaders of countries get caught up in the hubris and rarely (if ever) think of what comes after
Thats where the law of unintended consequences plays its part
Well Russia clearly can’t
2 totally different conflicts
@@stacey_1111rh Yes two different conflicts but Russia will withdraw unless it be dragged into a neverending conflict just like Vietnam or Afghanistan (for US and Soviets)
@@philjameson292 You bring a valid point.
Russia will not survive a true guerilla war style conflict in Ukraine.
Like Afghanistan, the Ukrainians are willing to fight a guerilla war if necessary and clearly have more stomach for it.
Hope it doesn't come to that.
@@philjameson292 You bring a valid point.
Russia will not survive a true guerilla war style conflict in Ukraine.
Like Afghanistan, the Ukrainians are willing to fight a guerilla war if necessary and clearly have more stomach for it.
Hope it doesn't come to that.
As an Iraqi who witnessed most of the events mentioned here, I can tell you the information in this documentary is truthful unbiased and completely impartial. Well done!
The US needed to invest more into state building. I understant it was hard, because these people activelly hated each other, more or less like yugoslavia, you can keep them opressed under a dictatorship, but as soon as they get out, the country breaks appart
but at some point he would have died and power vaccume would hjave been created which would have caused even more destruction and civilwar
@@H3rraM4juri A new dictator just takes over and continue maintaining the brutally enforced peace, which is still better than the shitshow going on there for two decades now.
@@H3rraM4juri he had sons
@@greathexpectations1216 This 🏆🏆🏆
Ummm the US is not good at state building. Clearly.
Very interesting, albeit tragic. Thank you for this recap, I recall the start of the invasion in 2003 as I was a kid, but after some two years I lost track. Keep up the good work, GTBT!
Very well made video!!!
The 2003 invasion was not only a complete disaster. But a complete waste of time.
One thing to note about the Ba’ath party in Iraq, and the subsequent policy of “DeBa’athification”, is that most Iraqi citizens that worked in the government “had” to be a party member. It wasn’t enforced 100% of the time; however, job opportunities and promotions obviously increased with party membership. So basically everyone in the public sector, from the local garbage man to the chief of police, was a member of the Ba’ath party. Bremer’s policy literally fired everyone that knew how to maintain the infrastructure and governing institutions. ~so apart from firing everyone in the military (the well trained fighting force), everyone in the govt. was sacked as well, thus creating a large population of pissed of people~ to topi it off, the US did not have a developed plan for dealing with an insurgency, with the US State Department declaring the occurrence of one to be unlikely.
Edit: Essentially it was a giant cluster f*ck
I read around 40k teachers were removed too, since they have the memberships, just imagine 40k teacher suddenly away from schools.
The example of denazificaton though: the German military was not disarmed. Within few years it was turned into a trusted ally military. And most Nazis were left in administrative positions (the leaders obviously not). And then rebuilding took many years. Within 20y there was an economic golden age in Germany, not in Iraq.
From the perspective of Poland, it is very disturbing. Many of the German officers who were responsible for the massacres of Poles worked in the administration of post-war Germany. Germany did not account for the looting of works of art that had been looted in Poland. In addition, the Germans have been trying for years to whitewash their zrbornie on Poles. The crime itself during the Warsaw Uprising in 1944 is terrifying. Where the Germans murdered tens of thousands of civilians to build communication routes in the city. People were gathered in the yards: the elderly, women and children, and they threw grenades into the crowd from the floors. The heaps of corpses were 3 meters high.
They were able to tie captured Polish soldiers with barbed wire and burn them in the barns.
We remember it all and we will remind you.
Germany was disarmed. It was rearmed in 1956, which was a political debate in Germany and Europe as a whole. The soviet isolation and occupation of eastern Europe was a main driving force.
The Whermact was disbanded. And many nazis did not get the right to vote and could only work with manual labour. Many of whom got prison time. where did you get your facts from?
At the same time though, im pretty sure Japan wasn't allowed a military after WW2 and was under a us occupation (kind of) and only a small defensive force was later allowed.
But still, Japan also had a economic golden age. And Japan was a good success story. Same thing with South Korea(except the military part), the US intervention lead that country into a golden age.
@@bratbrata4974 Germans are trying to this day to make it seems they were victims or circumstances during WW1 and that really the war they initiated was a defensive one 😅
The fate of Iraq is often portrayed as a failure of US policy, but I wonder if this was not the ideal outcome from the US perspective. Suppressing the Sunni Baathists was necessary to prevent a resurgence of Hussein's Iraq; this would leave the Shi'ites to consolidate power over Iraq, and their religious similarity could have led to a competent Shi'ite Iraq allied to Iran.
Instead, we now have a divided Iraq with little ability to project force or influence over the Middle East. This is no good fate for the people of Iraq, but it seems to benefit the USA, Israel, and the Sauds all the same.
I heard people call iraq a "failed state" from us intervention,though if iran were succesful in their 90s invasion it would have eneded the same, probably would have taken out saddam too considering he was a sunni i believe.
I really do think you're overthinking it. The truth is, the US merely saw everyone else in its own image and thought once it deposed Saddam, everything would magically fall into place because, after all, liberal democracy is a law of nature, right?
It does not benefit the US as it risks a stronger Iran.
Having such an vast iranian influence over Iraq is definitely not what the US wanted.
Jesus the way people talk about this shit is psychotic
great video, i really like it. but there should also be more focus about the northern kurdish region in iraq which is autonomous and is doing better economically than the rest of the country. maybe you could do an own video to that issue
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Politicians have ruined this world and it’s all our fault we let them do this. Prove me wrong, because we fight their wars we lose our loved ones we destroy each other while they live a long life healthy and wealthy and their kids pick up right where they left off. It’s sad
May Allah swt guide the Iraqis into their struggle for justice and righteousness between its people. May Allah swt shower them with good fortune for their lands so that they may have bountiful harvest so that no one starves anymore. May Allah swt help the Iraqis have clean drinking water. May Allah swt help recover all Iraqis their sanity and health. Amin.
A great rewatch
EXCELLENT AS ALWAYS
From an economic and industrial perspective, Iraq could have leveraged its crude oil resources to power industries and put at least enough of those 750,000 displaced workers to work to keep just a low enough unemployment figure, particularly among the youth. A textile industry comes to mind. Building train lines that would establish or improve connections to Turkey, Jordan, Saudi Arabia and Kuwait would help trade in both directions. This would make it easier for Iraq to import cotton. Oil refineries could provide the diesel needed to fuel the trains that would carry cotton going into Iraq and then textiles coming out of Iraq. Some of Iraq's oil could also be leveraged to make synthetic fibres and dyes for the textile industry.
Furthermore, one could open cement factories in Iraq that use limestone imported from, say, Turkey, to feed the construction needed to set up these industries.
Bro as an iraqi I should tell u that politician doesn't care about people in 2006 iraq become the world second most corrupt government and between 2005 and 2009 150 billion dollars were messing 10 billing were under US approve
So now the protest made the country the world 24th most corrupt government it is better
And the US is out so there is hope
How are you going to do that when the fixed-term president the US installs just lines his pocket and spends mostly on upgrading security to counter the insurgents American policy unleashed nextdoor in Syria???
Thanks for the report. Great work.
Great work
2003 was the beginning of the End for the American world hegemony...what a catastrophe for US was the war on terror...I hope Iraqi people recover and build a new and prosperous Iraq! ❤
Fun fact, Iraq has less crime then america
Less diversity
@@Juan-qu4oj Iraq has multiple ethnic groups living there... Can't just blame crime on something as simple as diversity when there are other major factors that perpetuate crime such as poverty, lack of education, and lack of strong community.
@@blackagent4754 Iraq is certainly way more homogenous and doesn’t have migrants everywhere
@@Juan-qu4oj No it's not lol. Iraq practically fought the most deadly race war in 1980s and then another with Sunni arabs vs Shia Iranians
@@conductingintomfoolery9163 race war? what are you on
Thankyou , that was very interesting
this is the kind of documentary I like, I get here actually looking a documentary of this quality about Syria and it's conflict but as soon I make the search the only thing I saw is legacy media spilling and puking lies and biased data base on who owns them and if I do a search on recent Iraqs history gonna find more or less the same. This is what I like independent honest researchers who give their views doing their best. Here u have another subscriber pal hope u have another video in the Syrian conflict with this level of profesionality.
special military operation in Urak
The biggest geopolitical mistake of the century.
Biggest geopolitical mistake of this century prior to Feburary, 24 2022 when Putin said, "Hold my vodka."
The mistake wasn't removing Saddam, he was a brutal fascist dictator and needed to be removed. It was not rebuilding the country properly, the way we did for Europe after WW2.
Did u forget about Covid? 😂 and the Ukraine war?
@@paladin50554 that one too, but the iraqi invasion ruined american reputation and influence around the middle east
kraut made a great video on it.
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getting rid of a dictator with a history of pursuing nuclear weapons was not a mistake for America. You might not like it, but that doesn't make it a mistake.
04:18 where did you find this quote?
Back in 2001, Iraqis came out to the streets to celebrate the downfall of Saddam.
God knows that was only the beginning of the troubles in Iraq. Saddam had to go, but the lack of a cohesive follow up plan is just inexcusable.
2001 ? you seem like an educated individual
what iraqis came out to celebrate the fall of their country under occupation ? a few hundreds ? you think that represents the whole country ? why are you trying so hard to justify the invasion ?
@@jacer5677 Where did he justify the invasion? I don't see anything he wrote that implies he thinks the invasion was justified.
Just because he thinks a leader had to go or it was inevitable does not mean he thinks a invasion was the correct way or that the invasion of the US was justified in the way it was handled.
2 things can be true at the same time you know.
@@nicklibby3784
"in cities that fell to Russia, Ukranians took to the streets in celebration... the ukranian government has to give up these territories, but it would be inexcusable if Russia doesn't have a cohesive follow up plan...
at the same time I don't think the invasion is justified"
@@jacer5677 tell me. Did the Yanks tried to annex Iraq, or in any way forcibly erase Iraqi identity, culture, and language?
I'll tell you who did. Daesh. Daesh did to Iraq what Putin and his league attempts upon Ukraine. And they will meet the same befitting end.
Saddam's days were numbered when he invaded Kuwait - in a spectacular fashion no different than Putin annexing Crimea. Too bad it was more convenient for the establishment to give Saddam 10 more years to kill the native uprisings that came from within, in the light of Saddam's thrashing in Desert Storm. I can confidently say Iraqi rebuilding would've gone much smoother had it been pulled off in the 90s. 2000s Iraq faced a power vacuum because the Coalition gave Saddam the past decade to systematically wipe out organized and enlightened opposition, and all that was left were religious extremists funded by Al-Saud and the IRGC.
Take a look at political opposition in Russia and contrast it with Ukraine for another parallel. We gave Putin 2 and a half decades to wipe out the opposition. It died with Nemtsov. Now all that's left in terms of the viable opposition in Russia are the far right ethnonationalists (RVC) and anarcho-communists (BOAC), and it's going to get fucking ugly once Putin and his clique of Siloviki is disposed of.
Ukraine, on the other hand, has sizable oppositions, despite what Russian media masquerading as independent media would like to tell you. Even excluding the obvious Moscovite fifth column, Ukraine's politics is kind of a blob of controlled chaos. The ruling SN party may have a 1 party majority in the Rada from the freak 2019 landslide, but once you start talking to locals, or look at regional representation, you find out just how fragmented "peacetime" politics were. Given that it's war, there is basically no opposition today - everyone's in it for the fight. But when it's done with, it's on. There's plenty of unanswered questions, and people will bicker and shout. That's kind of the point of a healthy democratic society. The bickering and shouting at family dinners and public events are the replacement for partisan violence and state terror. People definitely look forward to EU and NATO membership now, but the nitty gritty of how to qualify (especially) for EU membership will be a bitch of a friction point. Everyone knows rebuilding is faster with vertical integration, but everyone also knows exactly how that went for South Korea - it makes way for a cyberpunk hypercapitalist dystopia. Ukraine's going to need a free market, and also a mechanism to recapitalize massive private gains for public good. People remember the 90s rise of oligarchs and they will fight tooth and nail to stop the second coming of those assholes. Point is, Ukraine's come a long way from "Russian fifth column vs Ethnonationalist Fascists" of the early 2000s, and that's because the people didn't tolerate Kuchma and Yanukovich's systemic eradication of moderated opposition to government policy. Say what you want about Zelenskyy, Klitshchko, Tymoshenko, or Poroshenko - they all look sane compared to any of the freaks that come out of United Russia or the LDPR. they may all got problems, but they're at least bounded by constitutional rules and obligations to not tear apart Ukraine at the seams, and those that do get the boot. Despite the ethnonationalist loudmouths hogging social media attention, they got no regions nor did they broke 2% threshold for parliamentary seats.
2003
It's not hard, actually it's super simple. They took Iraq from the Sunnis, and handed it over to the Shi'ites on a silver platter!
Saudi, Iran, USA, Russia, China, Israel...are one same group, Zionist Satanists.
@@adnanbosnian5051 bruh my guy just bruh
Let's remember how it was claimed that Saddam supposedly fed all of his enemies to his 'human-sized shredder'; and let's remember 'Nurse' Nariyah who went to the United States Congress where she publicly testified under oath and with tears streaming from her eyes how she personally saw Iraqi soldiers barging into Kuwaiti hospitals, stealing the incubators and leaving the Kuwaiti babies to die in the floor and only later was found out she was the daughter of the Kuwaiti ambassador to the United States and that she wasn't even a nurse and that her story was entirely created by an an American public relations firm that also gave her acting lessons; and finally, let's remember Saddam's WMDs which never existed either. And let's also mention that Kuwait is an artificial country created by the United Kingdom from a region they torn from Iraq and which they did so they'll have a friendly puppet state that would control the Persian Gulf in case Iraq became an enemy of Britain.
I don't support corrupt tinpot dictators like Saddam but I also won't swallow American propaganda uncritically and without asking questions.
Yes you will, whether you like it or not. In the future, you can either support america and democracy or starve, Your choice
@@tonyraffetto931 Told like a total pro!! You are very intelligent I see :D I'm amazed :D
@@tonyraffetto931 spoken like a german in the 1930s.
@zachhaas1075 Actually I just watched a video that undermines why I thought that and am totally wrong in every way. Which I suppose makes me even more like a german in the 1930s
@@tonyraffetto931 bro, speaking as a US citizen, you are an embarrassment.
Iraq has been in wars and civil wars for over 100 years, since the collapse of the Ottoman Empire, even prior to the end of the First World War, by the eleventh of November, 1918.
Moreover, the civil war in Syria, began due to climate change and global warming. The droughts of 2006-2010, forced millions of ritual Syrians, to move from the countryside, into the major urban centers. By March of 2011, all hell broke loose. The same will occur in Iraq.
The illiteracy rate is twice as high among Iraqi women compared to that of men. (24% compared with 11%). The disparity in illiteracy rates between women and men are as high among younger people as among older people. 1 in 10 Iraqi households are headed by women, more than 80% of whom are widows.
This number is now far more in 2023, with millions of war orphans and the children of internally displaced refugees. Given that climate change and global warming will wreck havoc even more, in the coming years and decades. Along with government failures when it comes to environmental policies, let alone the over 600 dams in Turkey, and the almost 300 in Iran, that have caused Iraq’s Euphrates and Tigris rivers, to almost die out, along with the dams in Iraqi Kurdistan, which are used against Baghdad over and over again, as well.
Factor in automation in the near-future, and the fact that Iraq’s main commodity, oil, makes up 99% of its exports, and 85% of the government’s revenue, is in its twilight as we speak, and the world will gradually move away for fossil-fuels, Iraq wouldn’t be able to compensate these loses of well over 75% of its income, and with a population that is continuously growing, and is expected to reach 71 million by 2050. Well, you have a prognosis of climate refugees and climate-induced terrorists all over the place, under the guise of secular or religious ideologies, in the name of conspiracy theories, rather than self-reflection of over 100 years of Iraqi self-determination, and it’s failures and shortcomings, under various governments, just like neighboring Iran.
Both countries are done for, and will only get worse with the passage of time, unfortunately.
Iran’s 115th anniversary, of the September 1908 oil discoveries, was just last month. 30-50 years prior to any similar major discoveries to take place in the various states of Arabia.
It’s quite sad, that even by now, at the tail-end of the oil age. Iranians are yet to reap the rewards of this tens-of-millions-old resource. I wonder if any of them fathom reality. That they are living through the twilight, of what was, a once in every 30-50 million years opportunity. The same goes for Iraq and Venezuela. Venezuela started exporting oil 106 years ago, in 1917. It also has the world’s largest proven oil reserves, and is a next-door neighbor to the world’s largest economy since the late 1800s, and yet somehow, it managed to mess it all up, and remain poor.
Meanwhile, an island nation with no natural resources like Japan, bounced back from the destruction of WWII, two atomic bombs, and over 3.1 million deaths. To become the world’s second largest economy, by 1968. A position they kept for the next 42 years, until 2010. Second only to a nation unscathed by war, rich in natural resources, abundant in manpower, with almost triple Japan’s population, and 26 times its size. Oh, and during that time, they were far ahead of the USSR, China, India, Britain, Germany, and France. China who toppled Japan from second place, a few years ago, need I remind you, is a nation that is 26 times larger in land area, and with 1.3 billion more people.
Makes you think of saying, “Well, it’s about time, China?! 😅 Congratulations, you’ve finally managed to overtake an island nation of less than 130 million inhabitants, and your 1.4 billion population, has finally managed to outstrip the GDP output of 120 million something Japanese. It’s even worse when you think about India, finally doing the same to the UK in fifth place, a few months ago. That’s even a tinier island nation, with half Japan’s population, with only 67 million people, against India’s almost 1.5 billion.
My point is, blaming everything on a 1 month invasion, 20 years ago, is nonsense. 1968 for Japan, was 23 years after 1945, and that war, unlike this one, was humanity’s most devastating war in all of its history, costing the lives of almost 80 million people. Double the entire current population of Iraq. 🤷♂️
Will Iraq become the 40th largest economy in the world three years from now, let alone the 2nd? I think not. Some cultures and societies, are just far superior than others. A whole lot of people, don’t like to hear that, mind you. Finding a scapegoat to blame all your failures on, tends to be a far easier coping mechanism with reality, for a lot of folks out there, and sometimes, it can be entire societies or nations, or even whole civilizations, finding comfort and solace in fantasy and conspiracy theories.
If you understand that the strategy in Iraq was always destabilization, then you will see that all is going according to plan. Iraq is like the hub on a wheel. If Iraq is unstable achieving peace/cooperation will be rather difficult.
The fact that people think the US is "good" is laughable. I grew up in a conservative family in rural Pennsylvania and was taught that the US is a beacon of freedom to the world and can do no wrong. But now that I'm my mid 20s I can say that what i grew up being taught was sooo delusional and wrong.
A true conservative sees that the US isn't a beacon at all. You're conservative, you just see the truth and woke up from the delusion. That's a good thing.
In your opinion of course
@@supermanfan3113this is reality
A corporation with a country
🇺🇸 USA should give freedom to 🇻🇪🇮🇷🇸🇦🇶🇦🇦🇪💰💰💰🛢️🛢️🛢️
We already have but we’re leaving them behind 😂 we already started drilling for oil in Venezuela again which has more oil than the Saudis 🦅🇺🇸
Trade oil for cobalt and you’ll predict the future…
The biggest amount of freedom can be obtained by dropping Islam
As an Iraqi, i approve of this.
Very interesting analysis. As i see it, a rather promising country got off the rails by unnecessary and resource-draining invasions in Iran and Kuwait, which eventually led to the disintegration of the state. This makes me worry about Russia, which also looked rather promising until it did an unnecessary and resource-draining invasion in Ukraine ...
As Iraq survived the Mongols, He will survive the US Iranian coalition. As the Mongols converted to Islam the US and Iran will convert too.
This is Iraq
"Mesopotamia never dies"
😂😂😂😂 best regards Iran
@@Jolandeh iraqis go to iran to sleep with iranian women for cheap thanks to your crumbling currency
It is such a ridiculous statement Turkey benefits from current state of Iraq which can't be explained in anyway!! Turkey suffered HUNDREDS of terrorist attacks because Iraq could never control mountain range in northern Iraq for 40 years that this alone cost Turkey billions as tourism damage. Turkey also exports billions of dollars worth products to Iraq especially to KRG that vast majority of their trade travel from Turkey including 95% of their oil exports. Turkey could earn again tens of billions if Iraq had a stable government and booming economy. So anybody in their right mind could explain please how exactly Turkey benefits from current state of Iraq??..
As an American who grew up in the shadow of this war, all I can say this was one of the most disastrous mistakes in world history. Saddam Hussein was a tyrant, but to an extent he kept law and order. After his disposition, the US made catastrophic mistakes that ruined the country and caused a major security quagmire that allowed ISIS to gain traction about a decade later. Many Christians were forced to flee the country because of intensifying persecution in the aftermath. The only good things to come out of it was that the Kurds gained a degree of independence and the Christian minority were able to form a militia force in wake of ISIS's offensive.
In world history? Wow, you must not know much world history then.
@@cefb8923 he is saying the truth!
Mistakes?
You did this on purpose. You are criminals. There was no mistake here. Your intentions were criminal from the start and you set our region on flames.
You will never be forgiven. You have earned our enmity.
kurds never indipence ISIS AND TURKEY İRAN DESTORY THİS KURD AND AMERİCANS HUMALATİON OF TALİBAN.
@@mohammedkh4321 kurds never indipence ISIS AND TURKEY İRAN DESTORY THİS KURD AND AMERİCANS HUMALATİON OF TALİBAN.
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There are at least 3 country US already attack, these are :
Japan : became developed country, adapt democracy.
Vietnam : still communism but a fully better country now.
Iraq and Afghanistan : no progress.
In my opinion, it is based on these country itself, whether they want to move on towards a better country or stay on the current condition. Believe that they can forget their past and start focus on economy, infrastructure and cooperation between tribes and organization.
@Gigatrain. [🇵🇸] i can im iraqi
@Gigatrain. [🇵🇸] I'm also a human 😎💪
Iraq has been only recently invaded, give it some time and it will industrialze. It is just that we would be much better off if the usa did not invade in the first Place.
Do you imply that the US war in Vietnam has credits on the country's recent economical developpment ? Cuz it's definitely not true.
Pretty sure the Vietnam war didn't improve anything at all in Vietnam.
Should add to it the vietnam was a failure. The corrupt pro christianity gvt americans supported just failed and north vietnamesse took the fate of the country into their own hands . And a few countries along it just got bombed accidentally :3
Pro tip: when someone talks about civilian casualties in the Iraq War have them look up who caused the vast majority of civilian casualties (spoiler: it wasn't from coalition forces).
Ah yes because that must mean America did nothing wrong and Abu Ghirab, Mahmudiyah, Haditha, etc never happened right?
US forces have destroyed everything in the country, what are you waiting for yet! Look at the American protests. When power was gone, the Americans robbed and burned shops and killed many people! Imagine putting a country made up of millions of people of different religions located next to Iran, Turkey, Saudi Arabia and Syria, without an army or police! Al Qaeda comes from abroad to blow up the Shiites whom the United States could not protect! Then they blow up a very sacred mosque like the Vatican for Shiites! Then a civil war breaks out, and what did the United States do? It gave the verdict to a racist Iranian Shiite man who killed the Sunnis!
wow you must a CIA Bot or something trying to cover war crimes by United States so casually like it was no big deal.
What america is evil from any pov, end of disscusion , just accept that the west can be evil if they get away with it.
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I love my country but we absolutely failed in the Middle East. The Bush administration wanted a grand WW2-esk victory and we Americans and Iraqis paid the price for his vanity. The occupation was a disaster, we just need to completely pull out and let the region fix and stabilize itself. We have already done enough.
How did the Americans paid the price exactly ? 😅
Was your country bombarbed ?
@@Chrysobubulle we died in Bush’s war of aggression right along side the Iraqis.
@@Chrysobubulle The biggest thing America lost is Good Will. America is seen the same as Russia.
If we failed why has the war against America by Islamic extremism declined? As for pulling out, that's what Obama did which almost led to the total takeover of Iraq by ISIS.
Why isn't he being charged with War crimes
The Shock and Awe has certainly backfired Hegemony has declined
Iran Liberated Iraq From CIA Terrorists and American Regime Occupation and Destroyed Kurdish Groups and Stopped Kurdistan Independent!!!
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ایران و عراق لا ممکن فراق
Where
Your worsening, jobless, weed reliant, and poor economy, is just one part of how weak iran is. Kurdish independence wasn’t stopped by iran, nor iraq. The Kurdish army obliterated the pmf in Prde and Shela. I don’t support the CIA, or the US for that matter, but it’s funny how you address them as terrorists when iran does the same thing as them by using proxies in other countries. Kurdish independence is imminent, both in Southern Kurdistan, western Kurdistan, and Eastern Kurdistan. The Taliban will soon declare on iran, and iran will be in a worse scenario than iraq was in 2003. We Kurds will have the last laugh.
Iran is just as bad as America.
iran is the american's best friend under the table
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Northern Iraq belongs to Iraq, and the separatists' fate is the dustbin of history
You should wait till the end of the video to bore us with thesr commercials. Especially if they are totally unrelated to the content of the video.
If we could just travel back in time and change the treaties post ww1, everything would've been much better 🥲
So nobody is gonna talk about that flag on the tumbnail?
*Persian Gulf
This was a pretty good retelling of the events. However you guys maybe understandably didn’t touch upon the issue in the north with KRG as it would double the runtime. Inner conflict in KRG with PKK, PUK and even Iran on one side and KDP, ENKS and Turkey on the other it’s a ticking time bomb even and not talked about enough. Really warrants another video. It’s as much as complicated as the Shia Sunni divide in the south.
the USA came and removed a dictator and left , leaving a country for a people never know what is a democracy and have a huge religious and ethnicities problems , with a corrupted government who can't rule a country, in a place where wars can happen so easily, and under the influence of ine of it's bigger enemies ,as Iraqi I'm very thankful for the USA
Damn. It's been 20 years already!! 😬
A lesson in how to destabilize and over throw a country. Samething happening right now in america
This is what happens when you let religion dominate politics. Im not even one of them r/atheists types but they are right when it comes to allowing religion dictate laws.
Also, I was just coming of military age when this all went down and now that I’m older I can absolutely say for certain that I’m glad I didn’t join. Nothing against regular soldiers that did their job right with good intentions but the leaders obviously didn’t know what they were doing and just made a bad situation much worse. Lots of good people lost their lives, were seriously injured and/or have PTSD because they got forced to do/see stuff no human should (both citizens and soldiers). All we have to show for it now is the shitshow that is about half the Middle East.
@ابـن وادي الرافـدين i want to ask you if your friend got naked in the street would you get your clothes off ???
Not every idea is bad after all Vietnam are communist country and yet they living the best and they are best Friends with USA a country that hate communism and yet they are chill about them
Also religious in my opinion caused more damage than good
What are you talking about, One Can be religious and oppose the intervention
Although the Iraqis lost their lives, they were free
It was a joke there. We built 3 police stations all within a block of each other. Every 3-6 months they would get truck bombed. Then they would take over a house and build another. 3-5 million dollar station. Iraqis were given weapons stores and the next week they would be emptied cause they were selling them. We had to do welfare checks on the stations daily to make sure they were not torturing prisoners or any other activities. When we would take the police on patrol we had to take away cell phones so they wouldn’t call their cousin or whoever was working with AQI that we were on our way. It was a mess. Negligent discharges all the time cause they wouldn’t use the safety’s on the akm rifles. Was another failure of Americans to understand the rest of the world may not want what we are selling.
I wonder, can any intervention by a foreign force resolve most of the issues plaguing Iraq? Or does the solution only need to come from within the country with limited external support?
South Korean and Japan were successfully modernized after being utterly defeated and humiliated. Though it is a different culture, Japanese people became subservient after their emperor was shamed. They bow down to power. Though the reason those nations prospered is because the US funded enterprise and built permanent bases to leverage these nations against China. If they did not stand to gain anything, they would not have modernized as quick. So essentially, Iraq would need easier people to quell and a long-term presence by Americans, but that is also geopolitically difficult. Iraq is near many nations whose influences will attempt to supplant American control because they do not want an invader in the heart of the Middle East.
So that mean US wish for a destroyed iraq
WHO is playing in whose backyard ?
A failed state with a nation of strong people
His speech at court against that Judge were awesome.
Just shouting allah hu akbar while the judge was doing blablabla. 👍
The Invasion of Iraq was a scapegoat to take all the oil
We got the oil, so I guess it worked out
Wrong flag in thumbnail
Unfortunately Iraq now is iran poppet
Iraq crushed your terrorist parents in 2014
you know its bad when even the cia tells you to back off 💀
And now we will probably never live the day to see Iraq prosper, to have freedom of religion, to have equal rights for women. It's just a dream that will probably never come true. Mission accomplished. The middle east is in ruins.
It's not eerack .. its not same as eeran. Arak is the closest thing u can say
So you are from Iraq ?
Such a stain In American history.
One of the greatest victories in American history.
@@dddz961 so you think americans have right to fake and say that country has WMD and invade it without real evidence or proof of it
Ehh don't be so dramatic
you forgot about vietnam/cambodia or korea?
@@dddz961 It has caused the rest of the world to line up together against the USD.
I love that you’re tackling these complex Middle East geopolitics. Please keep them coming
You don’t really need to watch any of them. All of them sums up to “it’s americas fault”.
Even when it has nothing to do with the US.
You don't need to know how complex it is. America makes it very simple by bombing them way through.
Allowing Nazi officials and Japans emperor to remain in power at the end of WW2, is why those Countries didn't fail. Completely removing all Bathe's from power was definitely a mistake.
Also putting in a competent leader to oversee the rebuilding of those countries.
It is a tough one though, sensible, but....
Re. Japan it is particularly concerning that so many Japanese have no knowledge of their horrendous acts in China and Burma.
The use of Nazi and Japanese research from camps etc......
Von Braun...
Ah well.
@@Yew2023 I have family member that was a secretary for Ruth Grafin von Saurmin, who was brought over by von Braun in Huntsville Alabama where Von Bruan did most of his work. But my Point is in Germany, Since most of the people involved in Government had to be part of the nazi party, many of them remained in their position to help keep the order. Because they knew their Jobs. Had all Nazi's be whole sale removed from power, it would have been complete Chaos.
had more of Saddams Government be allowed to stay in power in the transitional phase I don't think we would have seen the break down in their society we did. Personally, as an American Iraq 2003-2011 was a massive mistake.
@@Yew2023 Modern medicine has "benefited" from the horrendous experiments done by the Nazi and Japanese "doctors" in WW2. It's absolutely terrible what happened and we should remember that so it never happens again. But do we just ignore or "forget" the knowledge that was gained when it can help people now? Ethical questions like these are very tricky.
Bremer is the biggest war criminal of the entire story.
The decision to disband the Iraqi government and Army was the single worst decision possible.
All they needed to do was install a new leadership, make favorable trade agreements and loans to improve the economy. Once the country is reliant on US trade and is in high debt to the US, the government would have to go along with whatever the US demands or risk economic collapse.
I have to agree, it is very hard to use soft power when the bridge to it was burned in a single decision. What a way to make almost a million enemies overnight, simply one of the greatest single blunders in US foreign policy. More importantly what a waste of human life and effort.
That's not a war crime at all. People need to stop saying everything is a war crime or genocide without knowing the actual legal definitions of those words.
In hind-sight we can say it was a bad move but at the time it would have been like removing Hitler from power in Germany and leaving all of his Generals in charge of the military to continue to enforce rules within the country. The leadership of the Iraqi military was far from innocent and deserved to be removed. The military had to be fully reconstructed from the ground up like Germany's military was. Which is what happened in Iraq and in the long term has paid off with Iraq being 1 of 2 nations in the Middle-East which are actual working democracies.
stop using words as synonyms for "people i dont like"
@@PhillyPhanVinny It was a bad move not just in hindsight. "Let's fire every soldier and military leader in this country, leave them to their own devices and leave a wide open power vacuum, what could possibly go wrong"
That's not some unprecedented concept that only could've appeared in 2003, bud.
"How to resist Americans?"
"Let's unit and fight them together"
"No, let's divide and fight each other"
"Makes sense"
it worked for quite a while
yea that terrorist guy killing shia was backed by us becuz they didnt want shia become powerfull in iraq and take controll cuz shia will suport iran.this guy thinks ppl r dum and dont know how things works
How to fight the Americans: Make this place such a crazy shithole that its not worth being here anymore.
Like you knew better.
A LOT LOT more easier said than done. Iraq Syria and Saudi, the three main powers of the Middle East were fundamentally opposed to each other and even just getting a dialogue started was difficult
Just a correction, the tishreen movement is named after the month it started in not any square, plus the square it did start it is called tahreer square not tishreen.
I'd like to add a few things. Thank you so much for putting in the effort into making a video about my beloved country, and showing all the terrible things that have befallen it. I'd also like to ask of you, to please, not call Iraq a thoroughly failed state. This country has seen many horrible things in it's seven thousand year history, from mongols, to ISIS and more. Yet here we are, and as I speak to you from iraq i can assure you that things are different and many things have genuinely improved. Also many of the things you spoke of at the end happened almost only within the boundaries of the green zone, a then closed off section of Baghdad reserved for the government and it's officials. God willing Iraq will become even stronger than before and Mesopotamia's honour will be restored and to tell you the truth, the future now seems brighter than it did yesterday.
Yeah as an American I do not think of Iraq of a failed state at all. You guys have really big urban cities, and actually make a lot of money compared to a truly "failed state". And from what I've seen, most of Iraq is generally quite orderly. Like with all countries, there is only some small certain areas with hotspots of crime and violence, and the rest of the country is quite nice.
I think people often confuse Iraq and Afghanistan and do not know geography at all. Americans for some reason picture Iraq as Afghanistan with only farmers and village people living like it is the year 100ad.(and even that is not entirely true in Afghanistan). The reality is Iraq is pretty advanced and very urban compared to Afghanistan and many other countries. Sure it is not at the top of the list, but I wouldn't say it is at the bottom of the list either.
Best wishes.
@@nicklibby3784"failed state" isn't about urbanisation or making money. For example Russia since 91' was failed state, yet had huge incomes, enormous cities with most populations in urbanised area etc.
Its about ability to govern itself.
But it is true that the worst times for Iraq are in the past, and today it does not meet enough of the criteria to be defined as a "failed state"
@@imcbocian That is a good and fair point. I agree with you. I was just trying to say that Iraq is not entirely this "empty desert wasteland where people live in tents or huts" that so many people think it is. It seems like most people have a far worse idea of Iraq than it actually is. - yes Iraq is still doing pretty bad BUT, it is not some empty wasteland where people live in tents or huts, they have cities, technology, phones, etc. People can get by just enough so far, and it looks like Iraq will be improving in future and like you said "Iraq's worst times are behind them" hopefully.
We often deride American foreign policy in Iraq as foolish or too aggressive, but something which is frequently overlooked was the role of foreign governments. Saudi Arabia and Iran in particular, but also Israel and Turkey, dumped enormous amounts of money, resources, and manpower into creating and funding various factions across Iraq. It is unlikely that the insurgency would have emerged at all were it not for such intensive intervention by nearby foreign states.
You see that fact would threaten the anti-American Yudeo-Bolshevik left's narrative, so of course it'll be ignored
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The invasion made those interventions possible.
Those were consequences, not the main cause.
Alas, the sectarian divisions in the Middle East are such that everybody cares about what the other people are doing. Europe transitioned into the modern era and now cooperates without war. The Middle East just can't seem to pull off a similar arrangement.
American here. Seems to me the original sin, so to speak, of the Iraqi misadventure was the US thinking that all it had to do was knock Saddam off his perch and - presto change-o! - Iraq would emerge a full-fledged liberal democracy right out of the pan. In other words, projecting your own society's culture and style of governance onto another's whose history is entirely different. This would account for the unbelievable lack of foresight on the part of US occupation officials from start to finish. They had no plan, because they didn't think they needed one.
This goes to show that America going around trying to force traditional cultures to be liberal is not only not working, but it's evil and that's their plan. They think liberty and democracy is the best way of life for everyone, instead of really letting people keep their ways.
So we should have left Saddam in place?
Even considering the recent number of deaths and misery that Iraqis are going through, let's not kid ourselves; Iraq was in a terrible situation years before US intervention - the Iraq/Iran war from '80-'88 cost tens of thousands of lives from both nations and resulted in UN sanctions that stunted Iraqs economy.
Yet it did not slow Saddam, who next invaded Kuwait in '90, again bringing unbelievable misery upon his citizens, while costing them tens of thousands of citizens.
The follow on UN sanctions stifled the Iraqi economy even more, while all the worlds' intelligence agencies - to include the Russian FSB - were convinced Iraq still had WMDs; obviously at some point they still did, since Nerve gas was used on the citizens of Halabja, killing 4.000 and injuring another 10,000.
Yes, I fully agree the U.S. was naive to try and build Iraq unto its own image; you blithely ignore the fact that from day one we were in a losing battle against Iran who was heavily invested in their own efforts to influence Iraq into the Shiite camp, disaffecting both the Kurds and Sunni.
We know what Iran wanted; another religious dictatorship in the region, supplicant to Tehran.
Yet despite your disingenuous attempts to flail the U.S. & Iraqi efforts to build a stable democracy, do you actually know what kind of government Iraq has right now? An unstable Democracy.
That's up to the Iraqi people, now, to run with that ball and build their country into what they want; so while hindsight is always 20/20 and we certainly could have done a better job, I disagree fully that we should have left Saddam in power and I also disagree that it's the U.S. fault Iraq is a basket-case; it was already like that before the U.S. invasion.
In other words, you're making a false linkage; there was no expectation that removing Saddam would result in a democracy; the expectation was remove Saddam, scourge of the world, and then deal with the fallout.
@@RangerB66 You're absolutely right, Iran was indeed trying to export its revolution to Iraq in the Saddam era, and guess what? After the 2003 invasion, it largely succeeded - due to the removal of its Sunni enemy courtesy of the United States. As far as the Kurds are concerned, the US and its allies had already imposed a no-fly zone in the Kurdish region so they were protected from aerial attack and indeed were largely autonomous pre-invasion.
The over 1 *trillion* dollars spent on the invasion and occupation of Iraq could've been put to much better use elsewhere, not to mention the thousands of American lives lost in the process. Yep, I knew the invasion of Iraq was a bad move from the word "go," which is why I took to the streets in protest in 2003.
@@guydreamr I can't argue with anything you've said - I too was against the '03 invasion, even though I participated in the '91 liberation of Kuwait.
There is so much we got wrong, and I cursed GW for squandering all the goodwill and sympathy we had from the world after 9/11.
We should never have stuck around in Afghanistan once we'd wiped out Al Qaeda. The Taliban aren't great but then getting rid of them was simply a side effect of going after bin Laden.
We don't seem to learn.
Video starts at 24:55
This isn’t really a video about Iraq 20 years after the invasion but a video about the last 20 years.
LOL i too thought that he would talk about the current situation and how to tackle it if possible
36.84% youth unemployment halfway through 2020 in a country the size of Iraq… that is absolutely horrendous. That’s a lot of unhappy young minds with idle hands. Just another example of how going to war in Iraq created a complete disaster. Many of those unemployed youths had yet to have even been born yet when the U.S. invaded, and yet there they are, still suffering the consequences for decisions made that were not their own.
yeah. they're suffering from their parents decision to create them. having a birthrate above 4 children per woman and becoming a successful country is simply not possible. Thats why East Asia developed quickly and Africa and the Middle East have not. Thats not to deny the problems with extremely low birthrates either, but far less people get hurt.
5 min and i didn't hear the word "INVASION" you people are so smart and know how youtube works xD
Gay political correctness
I was following the weapons inspections in the international media for nearly the entire 10 interwar years, so when the invasion was announced, I was like "wait, what? WTF are they talking about??"
What the Americans failed to realize was that Saddam was the only thing holding Iraq together. Iraq was created by the British as a prize for their Hashemite collaborators in WW1. They set up a Hashemite kingdom, which was supposed to to give the UK (aka BP) free access to the wealth of oil in the the artificially created country. As a result, there never was really an "Iraqi" national identity and after Saddam left the scene, it all fell apart.
same thing in afghanistan. there is no such thing as an afghan man. just pasthuns and other tribes.
A 12000 year old civilization is a British product? 🤣
@@ThisNinjaSays_ iraq is not a 12000 year old civilization the people are descended from the many tribes of peoples that inhabited what we understand in ancient history as Mesopotamia & sumeria
@@ThisNinjaSays_ Babylon was a civilization. The lines drawn by the British to create the a new Nation-State of Iraq were drawn deliberately to create a weak vassal entity with no real national identity, that would agree to the Brits plundering the oil resources without interference.
@@ThisNinjaSays_ Are you really acting like if Babylon, Akkad, Sumer and Assyria got along when they were always fighting each other. The most ignorant people are always the ones who speak the loudest
The Tishrin movement is named after the month of Tishrin, which is October; it is also known as the October movement. The square in question is called Tahrir (liberation) square. The name is unrelated
Iraq, libya, Afghanistan etc weird how everywhere freedom fighters went to spread democracy and liberate ended up worse than it was . It's almost as if the end goal isn't democracy and freedom...
They're one of many but the lesson learned here is that when you tear down an existing structure, don't be surprised when you just reset the clock to anarchy
Something will always take over in a power vacuum. If you destroy the existing power then something has to replace it. The American leadership at the time did not care enough to put in the work (or put competent people in charge) to repeat the success of what they did for Japan and Germany after WW2.
@@aruak321 Japan and Germany aren't comparable. The US only spent in nation-building for security in the region. Germany was needed to spite the Soviet Union and Japan/South Korea was needed to keep China at bay. They have a far stabler and long-term presence for the sake of upending communism. There wasn't much of a goal in the Middle East. They could've built up Iraq to deter Iran, but the problem is that Iraqis share the same sect, and they would have to eradicate Shia Islam in order to turn Iraqi Shias against Iran. Makes sense why they started to fund Sunni insurgency groups who ended up digging Shia mass graves... So now the policy is to keep Iraq an embattled warzone of extremism to keep Iran busy.
Democracy is more than just elections. It needs to be something taught in all facets of the society. Japan, Germany, Philippines, Dominican Republic. Has turned out just fine.
@@sizzurpgaming8928 Absolutely. Without an educated populace, democracy can easily fail since the people become far too easy for authoritarians and others just trying to grab power to manipulate.
This is the most accurate explanation of the current situation in Iraq, great job
Americans are poor colonists. They took over Cuba and the Philippines and botched both. The rest of the coalition advised not to disband the Iraqi army. but they are always know best.
The Philippines was the least botched of all. They have to do a lot of propaganda for that to have that moderate degree of success. Also, Filipinos tend not to linger on old wounds as long a sincere form of "apology" was given. (due reparations being one form it)
@@EarthForces still it wasn;t nice to be forbidden to enter your own capital.
@hard yakka I know of that event too. The Americans were essentially spitting on the face of the revolutionaries and is the first indicator that they were never there to aid on the nation's independence.
It was the 1800s
@sdkfs200 doesn't make it any less wrong. Considering their veiled promise of "aiding" of their independence. It is not like the case of Germany, which tends to clearly declare annexation when it involves itself in the conflict.
Thanks for the efforts to create this video, I'd like to add some name & info corrections though:
@16:59 Correct name: Abu Mahdi Al-Muhandis المهندس
@22:00 "Tishreen" aka "Tishreen al-awual" means month October, which is the time these events took place.
تشرين الاول
The square name is called: Tahreer square. "Tahreer" means liberation
ساحة التحرير
Bush and Cheney should be in jail
"It was worse than a crime, it was a mistake"
America: *arrives, blasts in, refuses to rebuild the nation, leaves, gets surprised when an anti-american government arrives*
To be honest, in Afghanistan they tried to rebuild the place, but the result was the same as Iraq
Correction. America: Blasts in, removes dictator, replaces government with democracy, starts to rebuild nation, insurgency starts, America surges troops into Iraq, insurgency is reduced, America pulls out most combat troops but keeps some to guard the embassy and to train the Iraqi Army/Police, Insurgency ends, Rise of ISIS from Syrian Civil War, America returns to remove ISIS, America still has troops in Iraq, Iraq's current PM is Pro-American. There, fixed it for you. Sure there's certainly more Iranian influence than America would like, but its a misnomer that America has "left" Iraq, they are still there.
@@icedogg111 Afghanistan was different as it's never had a strong central government that could consolidate it's power over the entire country. This was evidenced by the total collapse of it after US forces left, similar to what happened to the Soviets.
@@icedogg111 after what they did to Iraq what did you expect the afghan people to do? To surrender and let americans do what they want + rape kids and kill the family of that kid,then givind officially 20 years in prison but in fact let them out in less than 5 for "good behavious"?
I mean if the americans are about to bomb a country back to the medieval ages (best case scenario) at least you could make them suffer while they bomb you.
@Squirrels in Jacket They didn't want a strong, central government because it was a threat to each warlord's personal power. They just wanted to "milk" America for all they could get. They're so poor, that they'd do anything for our money and hogged it all for themselves.
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He was known more as Saddam not Hussein :D
Probably only Saddam. Only in obscure pbs type debates & even then rarely did I ever hear Hussein.
@@vdotme or in association with Barack's middle name
In most of the Slavic countries he is simply refered as Sadam
In most of the Slavic countries he is simply refered as Sadam
Not a big deal lol
As someone who was in favour of the invasion at the time (I was a teenager and very idealistic), I would like to apologize to everyone who suffered because of it. It was by the stupidest position I have ever taken on any political issue.
No one talks about how Iraq was a perfect lesson in perverse incentives. Every dead Iraqi civilian was blamed on America, whether we pulled the trigger or our mortal enemies did. This gave insurgents factions reason to sow as much carnage as possible: bombing power stations, blowing up bridges, carbombing public markets, etc. Then Iraqis would get angry, blame America, join the insurgency, and kill the people who were trying to hunt the terrorists down, which of course made it even easier for the terrorists to operate and kill more Iraqis. It created a giant snowball effect.
I'm convinced The Dark Knight was actually an Iraq War parallel, since it was all about how the Joker could turn Gotham against Batman with his own atrocities.
I remember the game throwing shoe at bush 😂😂😂