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Correction: the rune enchants appear to have restricted base types, I misheard Mark in the Q&A last night.
Full live stream vod: th-cam.com/video/lSozazdvYyw/w-d-xo.html
Flicker Strike was utterly gutted, you can't use multiattack with move skills any more and that includes Flicker Strike. When you take out a lot of the damage from bezerk and totems and passive banners and all the flat damage from just about every support gem and the flat added damage from the skill gems. The damage ''buffs'' look a hell of a lot less like buffs and more like changes / nerfs, Boneshatter for example got only 40% more effective damage but had a very large flat damage value removed from it. Only the skills that got more than twice the old effective damage value really got buffed, several in fact got nerfed.
Defences across the game were also nerfed a lot, lowering the skill points and affix slots we have to put into damage. I suspect most melee builds will feel weaker this league than last. The buffs to endurance charges and new base types should off set some of the pain from the defence buffs, we won't really know how much until a few days into the league.
I dont think he has specifically said it was going to be weapon only, only that they had restricted categories. For example doomfletches mod goes exclusively on 2 handed maces despite coming from a bow.
@@cirian6485 I'll correct again! Some people below said weapon only.
@@alistairbolden6340 Do you shit in your cheerios before you eat them? Half the shit you said is just straight up wrong.
@@alistairbolden6340 Flicker absolutely was NOT nerfed. It's not a Travel skill and it rarely used totems.
As a permanent noob, liquidating single divines to chaos has been a nightmare every league. Infinite whispers without replies, eventually resorting to begging someone to buy it in chat and maybe getting a pity trade. Currency market will be an absolute godsend.
should've put 1div for 1c cheaper than normal, you'd sell it in 10sec.
@@009Daft600yea def. Scarabs were a pain but div was painless most of the time.
NGL, every time I had to trade currency I was one step closer to drop the league.
@@009Daft600 Yeah a ton of people dont understand that you should just be the seller, you can change a ton of currrency really fast by just being the seller instead of whispering, however it does require you to like have awakened poe trade or look the prices all up and know what your looking at.
@@colonelJ77 He was doing something wrong, but it's an easy trap to fall into.
Regardless of the inevitable balance issues, how the FUCK does such a small studio pump out full game worthy content in a content patch? Dude are insane.
Oh yeah, totally, a small indie studio.....
GGG is by no means small indie studio, maybe 10 years ago when it was just starting but right now they are pretty big ship. Also they said that about 10 devs (or something around that) works on each league.
@@user-tq7bq3qf3kI think he's comparing them to Blizzard who is a multi billion dollar company and can't even make adjustments to storage in their game. Meanwhile PoE is putting out a league that has more content than all of D4, it's upcoming xpac and D3 combined. PoE has like 100 people working on it afaik. But they do seemingly work miracles with the amount of content they are able to create. They are also not afraid to take big risks which is way more than most diva can say these days.
Edit - I was thinking of LE's amount of people, around 100. I'm actually unsure how many are currently working on PoE. I know there are more working on PoE 2 currently. But nfc what those numbers are.
@@JayBigDadyCy Yeah you nailed it. It's always been this way - I remember coming to PoE and just blown away by the sheer amount of content and the risk they take, every three/four months.. After three years it's STILL AS IMPRESSIVE. This patch in particular was absolutely wild in terms of scope, very hype!
less layers of management having to sign off on absolutely everything - the amount of stuff you can pump out with trust between devs and good management is absolutely insane.
however mba's believe 10x devs = 10x productivity -> however they insert themselves in management positions and setup an insane structure where every change has to go through like 5 departments who all end up demanding changes, which is why a stashtab increase ends up taking 6 months
They cooked hard for this one. This is going to be a loooong week.
Bye girlfriend, hi poe!
I feel like a kid waiting for christmas.
4:18 these new rune word crafting is specifically for weapons. you would be able to for example rune enchant a bow with projectiles return thus not needing nimi's any more for your build.
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You can also see the UI at the top all only showing weapons. Projectile return is probably a special exception that's only for some weird melee base.
i think that's for daggers only, but i might've heard something wrong in the QnA
@@lifeloverNorris Venom Gyre or whatever it's called, the poison frisbee, is a melee projectile that doesn't naturally return, so claws could use the enchant. Also the Magma Ball slam, putting Returning Support on that skill was just an assumed necessity because it jumps the DPS, so even a 2H-er could see use on Projectile Return.
I really thought I was going to be baited by no melee buffs again but here we are. The world is healing super hyped
Still a bait. Updated numbers are halved from what was shown on reveal also no raw dmg on skills. League itself couldn't be further from arpg.
Aside of lame crafting no clue why people are hyped.
@@lymphy12 they verbally said most melee skills got a 70% ish percent boost right? I heard the base damage concerns that leveling could be rough but not that a single whetstone should get low level items to 20% so you will at least have 20% qual in early acts right?
Melee seems strong to people that understand the game waaaay more than me.
I’m excited because the amount of content and the city builder seems cool. I think people are excited because they took the toy box and shook it around a bunch
@@erkgrr5863 Zish has Frost Blades dmg comparison and it looks like a minor buff if any.
fair point on a league part, it just doesn't sound like fun to me.
1 thing you got wrong. The new enchants go on different things than the original item base. Like fire mjolnir goes on 1 axes instead of 1 mace and the doomfletch goes on 2h mace instead of bow.
Think about crafting a giga phys mace and then enchant it with doomfletch and gain 300% of all that flat phys as extra element dmg.
I do wonder if voidforge is there
Except the enchant was only 40-60% iirc
@@AutoTauri 30-50%, but thats still a huge amount of bonus damage with how good crafted rares have gotten, as long as you can scale ele damage effectively. Ice Crash conversion builds will probably love it
I'm excited for potential melee league starters. I've always refused to play melee cuz I hate the melee totems specifically so much. Will not be missed, lol
Same, having to use totems completey undermines the melee class fantasy.
And now my conundrum is whether to league start a melee build, or leave that for a more expensive build later on! It's a good problem to have.
you're going to drop banner instead of totems, so same shit basically.
@@sandi-zli9567 nah, I'm not running a banner either, idc how much of a buff it might be
@@sandi-zli9567 a banner cant die soooo and it actually feels like im doing the damage etc (ofc we will have to see how it feels in game)
GGG just dropped the mic on Last Epoch and D4
what did they say
@@JohnWick-df7wc "Ouch, my head"
@@JohnWick-df7wc they said d4bad and LEmedoicre
Le is actually way better then poe was on its launch, I don't think they are competing so much as you think. But D4 is so disappointing when you look at poe...
@@JohnWick-df7wc I just meant with how massive this expansion is and all the balance changes they blew both games out of the water….. Even though I like LE and it’s not really a fair comparison and enjoyed season 4 of D4 neither studio is really able to compete with what GGG is doing.
Sorry for your plans, but IIQ MF going away is a godly change and one of the big reasons I'm looking forward to poe again. The insanity has been growing over the last leagues (exploits, price crashes, insane group optimizations) which made me quit necropolis even faster than its actual mechanic. It was insanely demotivating to play. Fully agree with what you said in the end: Just play it like a game again. I burnt out on the insane optimization.
If someone isn't making 400div/hr, nobody is listing items at 400div and leaving it forever knowing it will sell.. I agree.
I like the removal o item quantity, these groups were changing the whole economy of the game. Poe had become "friend to win", which is unfair to us who have no friends.
Dedicated juicer groups are going to dominate the economy even with quant removed though
imagine being butthurt cause ppl have friends... you must be a joy to be around... wait, i guess this answers the question about you having friends
@@efreitorhabibulin238 Imagine being a streamer and you say you won't play because your OP strategy got nerfed. Empyrean literally would be nothing without abusing strategies in PoE
@@n91312 if thats was the main and only reason to play and that reason was gone, whats your issue exactly with that statement?
@@efreitorhabibulin238bruh u rrly tryna shit on someone for not having friends, so sad man 😂
I am actually really looking forward to just winging a flickerstrike build this league. I've always followed build guides before but this town building mechanic is really motivating me to not stress anything. I will just build whatever houses seem most fun, do the mechanics that seem most fun. Oh, the ship takes 10 hours and it'll be back at 3 am? Fuck it, won't touch it until after work in the evening the next day, I'm just gonna experiment and yolo the entire league no matter how inefficient.
Even though the timegating might sometimes be frustrating, I actually kind of like the idea from the perspective of a very casual player. Yes, it's a very heavy-handed way to force players to not hyper optimize but hot take: Maybe that's what the PoE community kinda needs at least this one time as a bit of a change of pace. Standing around in the hideout will still be not optimal obviously, but I like the idea of going to bed early if I have to work in the morning and thinking "when I get back to grinding, some rewards are waiting for me".
what I like about it at least from what I've seen is that it's probably not exclusive, you get maybe one extra hour per day, which is a lot, but if you're running maps for 8hours, you'll still be way richer.
It warms my heart to hear Empy and his ilk might sit this league out. MF was always a junk mechanic which group play abused.
“Im not going to play anymore because I can have 10+ mirrors weak one” 😂
Hope this goes core, I want an army that runs maps for me while I work
Such an excellent conclusion at the end. Encourage players to try something themselves. We will enjoy the game so much more, its not a currency competition. Again, excellent advice
I developed arthritis in my right shoulder from clicking currency for trades. Years of filling bags with chrome orbs just to hope the person actually accepts and I don't have to do it all over again just for 40-50c at a time... This league is a godsend with that currency trader.
I'm glad to see that you’re able to roll with the punches. Always a pleasure to hear your approach. Cheers!
Two of my favourite game genres combined. I am glad I came back last league ❤
Especially the last minute or two of this video resonated a lot with me. I have played the game a lot and fell into the whole of pressuring myself in playing it most efficiently and still see that happening to others around me. Sure its nice to be super rich but to have fun while getting there is way more important.
They've outdone themselves this time ❤
I'm playing melee all league, its gonne be awesome. Been playing melee every league forever and now its gonna be crazy, cant wait. so many new possibilities
frostblink fan here, worried it might not be as good, might be time to try melee, whats the most fun build for you?
@@fofolacosa123 I like really high attack speed builds in general, dual strike of ambidexterity or double strike of momentum were really fun.
But I think my starter this league might be a slammer, havent decided yet.
As a long term bow player im so happy melee is finally getting some much needed love.
Dual wield Lacerate of Haemorrhage Gladiator babyyyy
Took that build to lvl 100 2 leagues ago. Was a lot of fun, but it lacked a looooot of power. I am 100% leaguestarting this and it’s gonna be amazing with these changes!
I'm gonna look into this, it's on my list. Thank you
Sounds good. Is there a pob for this?
I'm gonna league start with this one so bad. Can't wait.
Hey subtractem, just wanted to congratulate you on your new PoB feature coming live with the new patch.
Awesome informative. Keep it up. Premise- noob, 30 div budget, t16 smooth farming and 350 delve- can shield crush jugg do that?
I'm pretty sure they removed phys taken as because of the endurance charge changes. It now grants 4 elemental damage reduction per charge. Just get a ralakesh impatience and you always have endurance charges plus phys taken as and you almost take no damage.
I really liked the part at the end, exploring the game and playing "random" stuff (well, at least not super giga optimized everything) feels good too, I think I might do that too, just pick up what seems cool without theorycrafting and stuff, and just have a blast, and if I'm too bad at creating a decent character, well build makers are still here, so I'll switch to folowwing a guide and that's it !
Currency market alone makes me want to play lol, that's the best QoL change ever, probably
Warden looks really fun. Definitively starting that and some melee skill. If I was going to league start poison pf, I'd go Pestilent Strike. It was already good and now it got massive buffs even though it didn't use the Warchief totem lmao. Also if you didn't know, as a nice bonus Pestilent Strike destroys corpses (even though it doesn't say anything on the gem).
I absolutely love that they removed the item quantity
Divine Blessing is still available through March of the Legion so it's not completely out.
I love that the glad nodes aren't locked into attack damage, actually looks like an interesting caster option...
As someone that only gets time to play every two days or so I am so excited for the city building mechanics. It let's me stay productive even when I'm not playing which can help keep me relevant in trade.
Hey for anyone wanting to experiment, go chieftain. Make a caster chieftain, and try to automate max power warcries. Pro tip: Use a combination of The Eternal Apple, and a small cluster jewel with the Enduring Composure notable. You should be able to figure out the rest from there.
I'm pretty sure One Direction have a song about 3.25
"I'm gonna blast all day in the best league ever".
Something like that anyway.
I'm hopeful that with the magic find changes, this will level out trade league so it doesn't cost a ridiculous amount of divs to get anything. We shall see!
I already know what build I'm leaguestarting :)
So excited for this league
I can't believe that I'm excited to league start as a bleed gladiator in year of our lord 2024.
Mate, you are my go to channel for all my caster needs, you did entice me to play ranger a few times but im not playing melee for any reason, atleast go with warden over melee. (who are we kidding, you will end up with a witch sooner or later :P)
My gut is telling me shield charge ignite elementalist is gonna be really good. people have been playing it for a while and are able to get dot cap with proper investment. but it got included in the +75% ish buff sweep for melee so should be able to get some insane ignites with reasonable investment
Get fucked Magic finders, so hype
totally agree with you
I rarely do MF but i totally disagree.
agreed MF is shitty design always has been its only in the game because "it was in diablo 2"
@@saltiney8578 its not a shitty design. Its a top end avenue that adds another level to the game.
@@SCHTRAM It was such shitty design that last league was MF hell and people consider it worst next to Lake of Kalandra, stop lying to yourself.
sub great call at the end , i’m literally gonna pick a melee skill and just yolo it ! if there was EVER a league to do it , it’s this one, or it seems that way anyway .. i’ve been waiting to go off meta for a league start ,
especially with the trade changes, removal of MF, the league mechanic and the changes to t17 monsters, playing a "shit build" seems the best time now. i feel a very low level of FOMO when slowly crawling through maps at your own pace when there is no 6 man group making mirrors before i reach maps.
Sounds like a super fun league, but also seems overwhelming with all of the added mechanics for us casual peeps with little time to invest.
if i recall correctly the taming worked with multiple instances of ignite, i don't see why it shouldn't work with shock stacking, unless they change it specifically before the release.
I'm a bit worried as a Witch and self-cast Spell player.
Like...I love this for Melee Players, but I feel a bit I got a bit shafted with little to show for it.
I mean.. melee has had the shaft for all of like 1 or two leagues. You can always try something different. Or just find a way to make things work.
@@AuRelion77 I mean, maybe there's something there with Added Damage scaling past Level 20 and Warden could be an interesting new Elemental Casting ascendancy too.
I just really love Witch and while I have to review the Skill Tree changes, defenses could be rough and losing Divine Blessing is rough too.
The currency exchange is no auction house because there are no auctions. It is just asynchronous trade.
I've been playing since Breach league and I still don't feel confident enough in buildmaking to make my own stuff. Even tho that league reworks tons of things I love (bye melee totems, yay possible oneshot tectonic slam).
I might give it a try once PoB is updated !
"Just play it as a video game"
Thats how I'll take it this league. If all else fails I can always do Pohx RF or something else well tested to get my 40/40 challenges done
As a warframe player I'm used to realtime timers, it can be a good thing imo.
I have vague ideas of running Elemental Hit of the Spectrum with Warden but haven't checked viability yet.
I'm divided between a frost warden or block CWC divine retribution. So much fun shit to try
"We're gonna keep this short and sweet" *looks at time on video* 24 minutes?!?!?! I'm still here for it though lol
the mobile game aspects of the city building mechanic are interesting but im already anticipating being very behind on developing my city bc i work crazy in-person hours for my job 6 days a week. im hoping that before too long other players will have good guides for maximizing the little time i do have to play
Interesting to pull all these game comparisons for the league mechanic and not mention where they pulled it from. Wolcen: Lords of Mayhem had pretty much this as its core endgame progression loop - set up buildings, combat expeditions, trade missions, then go clear a mission and the timers all progress. I know the game as a whole didn't wow people, but the city management minigame was pretty fun and I'm glad to see it taken further.
I don't believe Mark said the runesmithing enchants would go on the same basetype but would be on fixed basetypes. Like the "additional curse" the image has hovered is for weapon types that have never had that mod while it comes from Doedre's Damning ring.
I'm getting WoD garrison table mission flashbacks
Horrible yeah
I'm not mad. I loved getting stuff for free.
Thx for the quick patchnotes.
It's definitive now, I'm putting more work in PoE than in my real life
I wanted to try out SSF for the past 2 leagues and now with that ship delivery and random items with gold, recombine and kalandra mirror stuff looks good for ssf. I will wait some days for people to figure out stuff and servers to be stable before I start, I might go for bleed melee with gladiator! I'm hyped for this league and fresh for poe since this league I didn't play after the first month lol
From what I got, both what they said and the screenshot, those enchants are for weapons ONLY.
Thoughts on Hallo Palm Ice Crash Waden? As a starter? Does the MASSIVE BUFF to Ice Crash help with Hallow Palm?
Planning something melee this league probably. Last time I played melee was in ritual league, really excited for the reworks
Highlights:
1- Hands down best thing, currency exchange!!! This will hep casuals turn lower tier currency into gear as crafting andies will buy those mats.
2- Melee rework is great
3- Easier ways to cap block on the passive tree is very welcome!
4- Actually happy they left Archmage for one more league.
5- Back to basics removed!
6- New chisels are great!
7- THANK GOD THEY FINALLY NERFED GROUP!!!
18:45 Stacking shock with Taming wont be a thing. GGG already said they are going to change Taming and update it on patch notes soonish.
@Subtractem, I am gonna yolo this league and league start a flicker strike warden. negative mods via Kalandra are back so that should make Doryani's easier to get to wild negative lightning res numbers. New Shock is gonna be good for boss fights. I'm just worried about Frenzy charge generation, maybe it wont be viable.
If we all took a drink every time someone asked about bane during the 7 hr video.....
When snap uploads his 6 man guide before the patch notes every league 😃
I really want to try out bleed stacking flicker strike gladiator or lacerate gladiator.
Oro’s Flicker strike, Cyclone, Dual wield Glad Lacerate(?), or maybe Frost blades Warden.
Idk tons of good stuff this league, been waiting for melee buffs for a while now lol.
The runesmith mods don't go on the same weapon type, the exact opposite actually. They go on something else. The doomfletch one for example goes on an axe or mace, can't remember.
Edit: weapon not armour
specifically weapons. it was very clear and the crafting ui even shows only weapons.....
@@Dirty__Dan meant to say weapon type. Anyway, they don't go on the same weapon type they're found on originally.
@subtractem I get why you suggest to Yolo the league start and try to just play the game. However, the game is so complex that even with my 4 or 5 league experience as a "dad casual", I still don't think I understand the basics of build defense enough to get to mid mapping. I'm worried I will waste my limited time doing what you suggest and not even being able to get through the campaign.
Could you do a video about build defenses and strategies for staying alive when you are "just playing the game"?
Warden Herald Of Ice with the secret Forbidden Ascendancy passive? Maybe with hydrosphere? i think i will be cooking this league.....
Man i was considering slams (Ground or EQ) but Flicker, i love it for speedmapping
Colt to fire, ignite, Glacial Hammer of Shattering, perfect agony, marleye's fallacy ... Berserker?
Looking forward to the Warden league start as well
I think you misheard Mark about the enchants. It sounds like they go on very specific weapon types that are different than the uniques. I'm betting the Nimis and HH enchants go on very weird weapons.
I'm gonna yolo full stoopid tri elemental trinity Warden Dual strike, with all 4 of the elememtal/ailment ascendancy nodes!
Jumping the boat and doing it. Warden Wild Strikes incoming as my starter
Phys taken as ele/chaos was big deal for my armor builds (now have plans for Holy Relic build) and frankly - no idea where to go with defences (block? 90% cap so yeah, but it's not 100%)...
I hope that changes to Quantity (and bonuses) don't cause nuclear meltdown like in the LoK where they didn't even bother to mention these changes in patchnotes
I am still wondering if we can enchant uniques or chance rares into uniques with an enchantment on it.
@substractem Do you have any tip when creating builds to itemize that "works" and scale well into that specific build ? I have come to be comfortable with the idea of creating my own build, I have some good grasp on the passive tree / ascendencies, but man do I struggle with items since I know next to no uniques that are build defining. Thank you in advance (maybe worth a video ?)
an easy way to start is opening pob and listing uniques by full dps or whatever stat you wanna optimize. also search for you skill or whatever tags match (e.g. melee, warcry etc...)
min action speed to bosses is now 50% from 30% which is a massive buff to freeze
*up to 50% action speed reduction instead of 30
Kinda want to yollo Warden as well, looks squish but maybe can conpensate with the right tinctures.
Warden seems super super fun to me. I cannot wait to try it out. Regarding your last point about trying builds, we can now respec points with gold, so is this perhaps the best league for experimenting ever?
For those that like experimenting it’s never been difficult. Sell 1 t17 map and you respec your whole character. Literally 10 minutes of farming tops.
I want to do a triple dot build. Bleed burn and poison.
Do you think the buffs to bane and ED will put it back to pre-nerf levels? Looks like they got ~ a 20% buff.
sadly it's not enough
Maybe you missed it or said it slightly convoluted but DD can no longer explode spectre corpses meaning it lost basically all of the damage you got from custom spectres (Herald of Kitava etc.) its dead.
I hope GGG buffs Chaos DoT spells before the new patch releases. They do need big buffs, and ideally, some better passive tree/ascendancy support.
Did everyone just miss the gigantic nerf to all spells while leveling? They took their flat effective damage and scaled it DOWN. Spells just feel worse to level now, like melee used to lol.
Guten Morgen ☕ I'm ready to "yolo" this league 🥳
Having 1 claw and 1 shield just seems funny visually fighting in real life. lol
Warden -Oath of Winter - Glacial Hammer incoming ☑️
It is absolutely melee build time. I want so bad to warden...but idk if its gonna be good because i dislike the right side of the tree. I will always be that guy that while not the .01 percent i play to play and enjoy and learn.
Can you collab with one of the melee warriors alkaizer etc, for a melee build with shield?
Im feeling something maybe like sweep gladiator or something melee with a paradoxica and aegis aurora going for lucky block.
i will be honest and say that i dont really think the whole fomo issue is so much of an issue as it is people choosing to make it an issue
this may be an unpopular opinion but i do believe that if you CHOOSE to make your gameplay as efficient as possible and you CHOOSE to want to get as much as possible out of it
then you have choosen to live in a world where you may have to fit your schedule around the games rules
you know what the rules are as laid out in the notes so it is up to you to decide if you wanna follow it as close as possible
or just live around them and do things as it becomes possible instead
if you want to be hyper efficient well thats kind of a choice you made
Do you think you will revisit the Cast While Channeling Poison Soulrend Pathfinder?
I mighty update it for people that are interested, I got asked about it a lot today.
Absolutely massive patch, GGG ain't playin around with this one
I want to do Lightning Strike or Frost Blades Warden