for me *Queen Sohyang* is still a voice to beat not only in Asia but also by International singers... she setting the standard very high in Asia and the world in terms of techniques, support, resonance and healthy placement...
@@papz8747 From calling that sound nasal, you're proving yourself that you don't know anything about vocal techniques. Perhaps the eardrum has a problem, too.
Yeah, I just watch this for entertainment and then grow bored. TBH I don't really take videos like this seriously and just want to enjoy the songs and singer.
This video was already outdated a year ago. Within that time SoHyang has already proven that her vocal agility is truly stunning, not just slightly improved. Please reference her BeginAgain performances... her I'll Be There run (originally done by Trey Lorenz - Mariah Carey's backup singer) was lightning fast and entirely accurate!
Yes. I think like you it's amazing how sohyang's self improvement from 2001 2008 2012 2015 2017 till 2020 you can see her improvement every year. And the latest after 2020, she chooses to sing kpop songs, not using too many hight note techniques, using less twang and she more self-aware. It's amazing how the singer keeps improving herself all the time, even when she's forty-four, And she still sings without thinking that she is best of the world than anyone else. Wrong with her fanclub which is her good part
Not very accurate video. Disagree with your analysis especially on headvoice and agility part. She is not perfect but her headvoice was unbelievably resonant. I rarely see those voice quality she has in D6. She was definitely resonant. Her agility is far more impressive than what you said, I also see some subjective opinion presenting as if it is a fact. I appreciate your effort though.
Flhvictory G her head voice seems pretty thin so I highly doubt that it was really that resonant. If there was no mic and no reverb I don’t think her head voice would be heard. It’s very beautiful and pure tho.
@@nokpophere170 That is so not ture....If you listen to her dream performance fan cam version, you can definitely hear more resonant yet powerful sound compare to TV. Most of her fan cam shows more justice to her voice since her power demonstrates much better. Problem with broadcasted audio is that live resonance gets eliminated through normalization process and add studio reverb which benefits most singers, but crucial for Sohyang since her voical power entangles with resonance compression that produces her own and this doesn't show on TV. This is why her headvoice sounds like flasetto at times since her voice is already bright, and compressed resonance is the only source that determines the quality but unfortunately it gets eliminated during engineering process. On the other hand most singers (power diva) often lacks resonance, but shows good power and these type of singer would get much benefits on TV than live.
Flhvictory G I do agree, but Korea in general uses a lot of reverb and edit in their mics. Sohyang adds air to mix with her head voice, draining her head voice of its full potential resonance, so that’s why I highly doubt your phrasing of “unbelievably resonant” due to her technical choice alone. Unbelievably head resonance is something like Whitney Houston, Lara Fabian, Barbra Streisand or Beyonce’s (who is also hard to judge due to her use of echos).
@@nokpophere170 Well, you have to understand that just because someone is using a full headvoice with complete vocal closure doesn't mean it is resonant. Yes, Sohyang does use more air proportion giving less vocal closure compare to opera singers, but it is also due to her high tessitura that her full vocal closure doesn't appear even in mid 6th octave which is very impressive. She also use her twang to maximize her resonance so that is why I said her headvoice was exceptional. I am not saying this because I favor her or anything infact there are singers who also shows exceptional headvoice having a similar quality as Sohyang like Joan Sutherland, and Sandi Patti although they are opera singers.
Flhvictory G Her high tessitura does not really have anything to do with her technical choice though, I feel like it fits her songs a lot in my opinion and it’s also my favorite part of her voice. However, I still believe until she fully projects her head voice live, preferably without a mic, then I would not say she is unbelievably resonant in the head register.
@@asianindigsbelting is in your chest voice, up to F5 she belts and after that she starts mixing. Her belts just feel so natural and almost a part of her normal range, which you can see as a ‘negative’ since belts are supposed to be explosive, but I don’t see it that way
Still Sohyang has great score than Mariah and Whitney. I observed this three ladies and Sohyang has a lot of edges. Still my Top technical vocalist! Long live Sohyang!
Blue Rose I don’t think that’s the case anymore since he deleted her analysis. Jane is great, but her mix is really quite poor and her head voice, while stunning and often high reaching support, is often inconsistent. She might have wide edges of support but is much less well rounded and consistent.
I don't care what they say, to me she will always be the best vocalist in the world 😅Although you may remember guys, she is a human being and has mistakes like her lows and her ability. Oh and she can also improve in not over singing, and don't get sick please So Hyang !!!!😂, the rest is perfect
First of all, thank your for this analysis and thank you for the effort. My issues: - you sometimes mix tension with straining. Strained notes cant be supported. Notes with tension can be supported. - The Eb6 was definetely supported and even resonating. - You are mixing clips of her previous eras, as it spreads the misinformation of being incosistent. I recommend you to distinguish between her prime and her younger days. If you want to show her clips where her voice wasnt as developed as it is today, please give a hint to the viewers who dont know Sohyang. Edit: tackling the vocal scoops or "intentional breaks" are kind of subjective in my opinion, it cant be referred as "oversinging" as she did in the 2000er era
Thank You✨ - I have clearly stated that notes can be supported with tension. - I don't agree with that Eb6 being supported or resonant, despite the reverb helping her. - the only "old" videos that I recall are the E6s videos, which she hasn't showcased in a performance in years... But I thought it'd be okay if I added them. Especially since they don't really contradict with her prime. I also used notes past than her prime to show her abilities like the supported F#3. Hope you enjoyed the video✨
@@PhantomSinging_channel - You did, but the D6s in HV were not strained in my opinion, rather notes with tension since they were supported. - seems like we have to agree on not agreeing, hehe - Its totally okay if you add older clips of her career, even if its benefitial. Its not like those clips arent a part of her, but id rather put them into a different category like "developement" to show that she is consistent and has straightend her flaws (for example, not singing F6s anymore because of not supporting them consitently, not oversinging anymore etc.)
I agree with the first point. You can “mix” with tension. Btw, you produce tension(minimal) when you sing. The same goes with talking, walking, swimming etc.. but it is somehow a necessary tension. The second point is an error. The eb6 was not “supported” at all. It was the reverb+amplification which helped her. The D6 was thin, unclear and not well projected. Plus, we can’t decide if she was supported because that it’s post production.
She has supported E6 from 2003 She has show full headvoice in many old (2007 - 2013) Upon This Rock performance Her lowest supported note is F3 she has 2 of supported F3 from 2012 and 2020 or 2021 (i forgot) She has Above Average agility in modern music, she has show a very fast runs in Begin Again
I agree that she strained E6 and F6 a lot but for D6-Eb6 i don't think so, even E6 or F6 she still carried some supported,to say she strained all HV above D6? No i don't think so.
I actually think some of the D6 had tension, especially @11:58. It sounded like it was supported but pushed with some tension. Definitely not strained though.
There's no perfect singers, guys. Angels maybe. But So Hyang is shockingly a human and for a human, she's very good. If you're a fan of SoHyang, you would know that her lows aren't really that great, her agility needs work. Other issues like pitch issues and those occasional "supported" only belts could be arguably attributed to her being very sickly. Of course, being sick can affect vocal performance but that's really out of SHs control. However, when she's not she will definitely be more on pitch and resonate those belts.
I learned a lot from your professional analysis. I appreciate. You clearly pointed out what I was feeling vaguely. I agree with a lot of your opinion. You can find the comments and your content here, most of her weaknesses are related to her health, and I would appreciate if if you could analyze the recent her performances from the second half of 2020 to 2021, when she recovered her health. From what I can tell, her vocal skills have definitely improved. And, I think the reason why her head voice was relatively less developed was that her singer career started with Gospel, and she focused on the lyrics that were clearly conveyed. It's probably because the mixed voice is more powerful and easier to convey lyrics clearly to audience. Of course, from her qualities, I believe that the head voice will develop as much as an excellent classical vocalist. If she wants to.
i think she could really have been a virtuoso classical singer if she had gone that route from the beginning, but it would take her changing how she sings...
I love your channel and this vid but, I just want to say that her C#6 that she hit in dream and yes she did hit it and I know people think it’s a sharp C6 and I watched the clip stating that and of course it was tampered with bc when I went to slow it down on the actual video she CLEARLY hit a resonant C#6 in mixed voice. Also the D6 in Dream is still resonant even though she had a slightly higher larynx, it was definitely not strained... lastly I feel like her agility is underrated as well and I do not agree with the 6/10 score. I might have to have a debate about the Eb6 and E6 being “strained” as well...
Love the clips of her flaws u found. Its not easy since she had so many perfect moment. U are the first one to point out the tension on her upper belt and 6th octave head notes. U are so brave cuz u will be punished by tons of Sohyang's followers
@@bluerose1764 Mariah literally just sings. She doesn't use some secret 'support' technique. It's quite obvious. She's a wonderful vocalist but not what I'd call a staple of a great vocal technique. What makes her great isn't her technique but her vocal choices. So Hyang is a technical singer on the other hand. But I would still say there are hundreds of singers with a way better technique overall and less vocal issues.
You probably just don't really know many vocalists out there. I can assure you that there're tons of vocalists with technique much better than Mariah. Literally agree with Kaji comment above, Mariah was never really trained, she just used her voice at its best which leaded to confusion that her technique is/was perfect. It wasn't, it's just her legacy which made people think that way
An excellent video, a very good work that shows the strengths and also the weaknesses of our Queen Sohyang ! I think that your video tries to be as objective as possible, so thank you for that. Knowing that she has pneumonia and greats vocal skills, it proves that she's one of the best, furthermore she's very humble and that's why I love her and that she's one of my favorite singers ! She's a model for vocal technique !
some things i wanna clarify, tense notes can be supported, when she was playing around with the E6, it was supported ( I think so ) and the C#6 was supported.
Right now her consistent supported range is F#3/G3-B5/C6-D6 (cause she didn't show any Eb6 ,E6 ... in HV, and just 2 C#6 in mixed voice ) during her prime it was G#3-C6-Eb6
This is one of the most thorough analyses ever made of her and I agree with almost everything. People are so used to claims such as "She resonates C#6 and F6" that they don't actually take the time to research support and see if it still applies, they just believe whatever they see in the comments. We need real, unbiased videos like this one, so thank you so much.
I just don't buy the whole ”support and strain” thing no matter who said it. It has become something people use frequently based on what they see (for example SoHyang supporting C#6 whatever). Of course the one who said it would say he is correct. To me, I just hear what's good to my ear. Her mixed C#6? Too shouty and more like a scream for me. Her head voice? Sounds really beautiful to me if she does not go too high which sounds strident. Her lows? I can hear how airy they are but I love their warmth. That's how I would put this. At this day and age "vocal rating" has become something that speaks to fans more than an "objective" analysis. Fans have some mutual ideas of what is "supposed to be" good and I doubt a lot of them know what they are saying. Yes I am being subjective but this is much less of a burden to become "technical listeners that have knowledge".
@@uiteren2845 Are you kidding? The KpopVocalAnalysis blog made that claim for years before they took their joke of an analysis down after being called out.
@@uiteren2845 No, they took it down right after a fifteen-page comment was left showing how ludicrous it was. The site is more about analyzing Korean vocalists than it is Kpop stars.
👏 👏 👏 Thx ...u gave your analysis and an A .. . So I’m happy, (think u like her 2). I was enjoying the 🎶 so much, found myself lost in the singing. Honestly 💕your video. ✌🏼♥️ 2h
she learn about music and how to sing after she married her husband (husband family are musical people), so her early time technique is definitely flaw, she also got some nasty lung problem, but the older she get man her skill improved a whole lot
Please making the research carefully before analysis any vocalist. This video it seen complete one-side analyze doesn’t have any objective opinion. Im really disappointed about u guys video. Sorry for me to unsub and give this video 1 dislike.
@@quanminh3911 >This channel legit previously made material that was talking a lot of good about So Hyang and THIS video agrees with a lot of what y'all say as well. Clearly a 'hater' lol. You have to realise that not everyone who disagrees with you lot is a hater. It's just critique.
Too nitpicky, Every singer is subject to today's condition, If SH gets 85, who can acquire over 90?, One of her strongest is the unique tone that is a very important element to singer, though it's not taken into consideration either.
Very nice analysis, but definitely not accurate, especially about head voice part and tension in her mix voice above Eb5 lmao. Looking at your first few videos, I noticed that you're a vocal pedagogy fan/ not a vocal coach or someone has studied vocal pedagogy so these pieces of information are expected not to be accurate 100% And Sohyang get 20/20 for mix voice is funny lmao. He don't know how hard to support mix voice above G5, there're only few sopranos in the world who can support above G5 mix voice. Sohyang should get at least 30/20 for her mix voice
Disagree on the C#6. Listen to the fancam version of Dream on C#6. It's a resonant C#6. And even in that video it's still a resonant note. Go check it yourself thank you.
@@bluerose1764 sorry lol There is non upper register lol, there's chest, mix, head, falsetto, fry, and whistle register. When you are rating low notes, you can call them as a chest register. So Chest register or low notes - Jane Mix register - sohyang Head voice - jane Agility - jane Jane is operatic trained, she is consistent to E6/F6 with support on head voice
That's not stylistic breathiness. It's a lack of chest development. That whole bit at 1:48 shows exactly what I mean. She never has the ring, and her upper mix suffers from a very high larynx. I didn't hear a crescendo there on that Eb5. It's not a stylistically low larynx. Again, it's her trying to get an embodied chest sound but lacking real development to. It's more than occasional nasality.
@@littlelamb8048 Generally above G5, but I think that's true for everyone. Not just her. Sohyang has shown more of an ability to control her larynx position in the 5th octave than most, so I'll give her credit for that.
@ChiYeol851 then I don't what to tell you. This person has been pretty biased so far and not much knowledgeable either if that's the case. I would at least expect people to stick to their narratives, but maybe I'm asking for too much.
@@uiteren2845 I've yet to hear a single note below G2 that was done with an actual neutral larynx lol. From anyone. And that includes low basses. You have to realise that larynx position has literally nothing to do with freedom or lack of it. In fact pushing the larynx to be neutral on those pitches (high notes too) will usually attract more tension as it's not the natural function of the voice. So lol to that.
Why does people are so so obsessed with this "supported" or "ring" things when in fact you don't exactly need to belt every effin word? I love hearing singers who can reach stratospheric notes but music is more than those high notes. It's the lyrical and musical interpretation done with conviction and authenticity are what's more important as an artist. There are many singers that have limited vocal range but this fact does not stop them from creating a performance that has a long-lasting effect. Be intentional and be authentic. That's all that matters.
I don't know what kind of credentials you got to have this type of opinion on her, but you certainly went out of your way to scrutinize every possible bad notes of an artist who mostly sings for churches, benefit concerts and charity events. She does not sing for your analysis or anybody else. Nor does she sing to show you her vocal skills. She did that only in two competitions. Lot of your sample notes of her here were sung while she is ill, too. This kind of analysis is better suited for opera singers or other flamboyant pop singers who does tons of concerts. Leave her be ! Her fans love her for what she represents not just her vocal skills.
Don't understand why so many hateful comments towards you, in my opinion, you made a great job considering not only her strengths but also her weak sides. Your analysis was done very thoroughly and without any mistakes, Sohyang is one the best vocalists out there but she's a human and has her flaws which aren't even that big so there's no need to make any wars in the comment section
@@shh4874 But don't you think other some critical parts are accurate? It seems the whole community has some mutual ideas that may not be correct (like SoHyang always sings relaxed which is not true in a lot of times) but when some people point them out fans get really aggressive. Also look at the like ratio eww...
@@littlelamb8048 well honestly I don't care what people think but I do care when they push their agendas and don't seem to be consistent with what they're labeling as objective. And no, I don't find this video accurate.
@@lightning0506 Is showing videos from 2000s when it's stated that the video is about her prime, nitpicking also? And confusing terms that are critical to be objective is nitpicking?
Does Sohyang fall under the "low regoster underdeveloped " trope that so many sopranos fall under? Includes Lara, Kelly, Ailee, Whitney. Everything else in her voice is pretty much 10/10.
Also people don t realize that this is your scoring system, you can do what you want. If they don't agree that's not your fault, that's theirs. There are even a few things about this system that I don't agree with, so I made my own system. If they want to do the same, they should before they just hate on yours.
I find wrong and don't agree on lots of points the maker pointed out. I don't feel necessary to wach this long with a bunch of live performances. I ignore this. She is just top-tiered despite her chronic sickness with -70% functions off from the real herself regardless of her age. Forties are generally heydays for singers.
i agree with you on the lows notes, and in the mix range too (except for the fact the some of the C6 i don't consider it on her prime but it can change from person to person) and on her head voice i would say her D6 are a bit tense but doesn't fully drop support, about the Eb6 is hard to classify, you are 100% correct about her agility and musicianship and musicality, well that's my opinion. Still your video is amazing as always!!!!
@@uiteren2845 Fun. Not answering to my question. Anyways. I mostly base my knowledge on Ingo Titze's work, Jo Estill's literature, Cathrine Sadolin's CVT but I don't mind Manuel Garcia and Richard Miller either. Now, list your sources. And I'm asking for actual vocal pedagogy sources and not stuff like 'KPopVocalAnalysis' or 'MrSkinnyJeanz' lol.
Many of ya are hurt..... I see..... The reality is that she's the best when it comes to 4th and 5th octave, using chesty mixed register..... And that's it....... She isn't the queen of head voice!!!! Edit:And yeah, she's not that strong at low notes either.....
Lmao, dimash can’t support his 5th octave lol And his low note was deep but lacks of support I think his lowest supported note was B2/C3 Mezzo can do that... But his Head Voice is one of the best ((My english is so bad, ik))
@@armansyahdh6009 The F#5 in the SOS has been resonant sometimes, and F#5s in all by myself too.... I remember some of them are resonant, plus just watch a video named David phelps vs dimash F5..... The F#5 in that video is the best I've ever heard from a tenor..... In fact it is the best F#5 ever sung by a male... So, strong and resonant
@@papz8747 If we talk about screaming, the worst nasal voice in the world, no country can beat the Philippines, a country of "mental masturbation". =)))
for me *Queen Sohyang* is still a voice to beat not only in Asia but also by International singers...
she setting the standard very high in Asia and the world in terms of techniques, support, resonance and healthy placement...
sohyang is nasal queen..yes its really hard to beat her shes dying fertilecat clogged nose haha
@@papz8747 From calling that sound nasal, you're proving yourself that you don't know anything about vocal techniques. Perhaps the eardrum has a problem, too.
Yes she has the standard❤️
Love from Philippines don't mind that @papz. He's just in his delusions
@@papz8747 🤣🤣🤣 You don't even know what that means, admit it.
@@papz8747insecure Pignoy spotted 🤣🤦🏽♀️
I just want to say that Sohyang's songs touched my heart and not my ear and made me cry few too many times ....ENOUGH SAID...
Yeah, I just watch this for entertainment and then grow bored. TBH I don't really take videos like this seriously and just want to enjoy the songs and singer.
You know what? We don t need any analyses at all on So-Hyang Kim. She is simply Sohyang.
맞아요!!
그런데 소향님에 대한 관심이라고 생각하고 보니 재밌습니다.
평가가 아닌 분석이라 부담없이 볼 수 있는 것 같습니다~~~
This video was already outdated a year ago. Within that time SoHyang has already proven that her vocal agility is truly stunning, not just slightly improved. Please reference her BeginAgain performances... her I'll Be There run (originally done by Trey Lorenz - Mariah Carey's backup singer) was lightning fast and entirely accurate!
Yep. Well he said it was the outlook as at March 2020.
Yes. I think like you it's amazing how sohyang's self improvement from 2001 2008 2012 2015 2017 till 2020 you can see her improvement every year.
And the latest after 2020, she chooses to sing kpop songs, not using too many hight note techniques, using less twang and she more self-aware.
It's amazing how the singer keeps improving herself all the time, even when she's forty-four, And she still sings without thinking that she is best of the world than anyone else. Wrong with her fanclub which is her good part
Not very accurate video. Disagree with your analysis especially on headvoice and agility part. She is not perfect but her headvoice was unbelievably resonant. I rarely see those voice quality she has in D6. She was definitely resonant. Her agility is far more impressive than what you said, I also see some subjective opinion presenting as if it is a fact. I appreciate your effort though.
Flhvictory G her head voice seems pretty thin so I highly doubt that it was really that resonant. If there was no mic and no reverb I don’t think her head voice would be heard. It’s very beautiful and pure tho.
@@nokpophere170 That is so not ture....If you listen to her dream performance fan cam version, you can definitely hear more resonant yet powerful sound compare to TV. Most of her fan cam shows more justice to her voice since her power demonstrates much better. Problem with broadcasted audio is that live resonance gets eliminated through normalization process and add studio reverb which benefits most singers, but crucial for Sohyang since her voical power entangles with resonance compression that produces her own and this doesn't show on TV. This is why her headvoice sounds like flasetto at times since her voice is already bright, and compressed resonance is the only source that determines the quality but unfortunately it gets eliminated during engineering process. On the other hand most singers (power diva) often lacks resonance, but shows good power and these type of singer would get much benefits on TV than live.
Flhvictory G I do agree, but Korea in general uses a lot of reverb and edit in their mics. Sohyang adds air to mix with her head voice, draining her head voice of its full potential resonance, so that’s why I highly doubt your phrasing of “unbelievably resonant” due to her technical choice alone. Unbelievably head resonance is something like Whitney Houston, Lara Fabian, Barbra Streisand or Beyonce’s (who is also hard to judge due to her use of echos).
@@nokpophere170 Well, you have to understand that just because someone is using a full headvoice with complete vocal closure doesn't mean it is resonant. Yes, Sohyang does use more air proportion giving less vocal closure compare to opera singers, but it is also due to her high tessitura that her full vocal closure doesn't appear even in mid 6th octave which is very impressive. She also use her twang to maximize her resonance so that is why I said her headvoice was exceptional. I am not saying this because I favor her or anything infact there are singers who also shows exceptional headvoice having a similar quality as Sohyang like Joan Sutherland, and Sandi Patti although they are opera singers.
Flhvictory G Her high tessitura does not really have anything to do with her technical choice though, I feel like it fits her songs a lot in my opinion and it’s also my favorite part of her voice. However, I still believe until she fully projects her head voice live, preferably without a mic, then I would not say she is unbelievably resonant in the head register.
Sohyang is queen of Mix Voice and princes of Head voice, one the best vocalist ever
Queen of belting too. 💙
princess*
@@นู๋รัตน์ไก่ขึ้นลาน not belting I fear
@Hoàng Anh not even that,she relies more on mixing approach than an actual belting
@@asianindigsbelting is in your chest voice, up to F5 she belts and after that she starts mixing. Her belts just feel so natural and almost a part of her normal range, which you can see as a ‘negative’ since belts are supposed to be explosive, but I don’t see it that way
Sohyang is Queen of queen. Can you imagine one of vocal trinity can cover Sohyang?
Still Sohyang has great score than Mariah and Whitney. I observed this three ladies and Sohyang has a lot of edges. Still my Top technical vocalist! Long live Sohyang!
Phatom the singing rated Jane>Sohyang 😱
Blue Rose I don’t think that’s the case anymore since he deleted her analysis. Jane is great, but her mix is really quite poor and her head voice, while stunning and often high reaching support, is often inconsistent. She might have wide edges of support but is much less well rounded and consistent.
@@skylerpowers8871 i think Sohyang>>>Jane
Blue Rose I agree
@@skylerpowers8871 yeah. I'm not even a fan of staying but I can see the big difference between Jane and sohyang
I don't care what they say, to me she will always be the best vocalist in the world 😅Although you may remember guys, she is a human being and has mistakes like her lows and her ability. Oh and she can also improve in not over singing, and don't get sick please So Hyang !!!!😂, the rest is perfect
First of all, thank your for this analysis and thank you for the effort.
My issues:
- you sometimes mix tension with straining. Strained notes cant be supported. Notes with tension can be supported.
- The Eb6 was definetely supported and even resonating.
- You are mixing clips of her previous eras, as it spreads the misinformation of being incosistent. I recommend you to distinguish between her prime and her younger days. If you want to show her clips where her voice wasnt as developed as it is today, please give a hint to the viewers who dont know Sohyang.
Edit: tackling the vocal scoops or "intentional breaks" are kind of subjective in my opinion, it cant be referred as "oversinging" as she did in the 2000er era
Thank You✨
- I have clearly stated that notes can be supported with tension.
- I don't agree with that Eb6 being supported or resonant, despite the reverb helping her.
- the only "old" videos that I recall are the E6s videos, which she hasn't showcased in a performance in years... But I thought it'd be okay if I added them. Especially since they don't really contradict with her prime.
I also used notes past than her prime to show her abilities like the supported F#3.
Hope you enjoyed the video✨
@@PhantomSinging_channel
- You did, but the D6s in HV were not strained in my opinion, rather notes with tension since they were supported.
- seems like we have to agree on not agreeing, hehe
- Its totally okay if you add older clips of her career, even if its benefitial. Its not like those clips arent a part of her, but id rather put them into a different category like "developement" to show that she is consistent and has straightend her flaws (for example, not singing F6s anymore because of not supporting them consitently, not oversinging anymore etc.)
I agree with the first point. You can “mix” with tension. Btw, you produce tension(minimal) when you sing. The same goes with talking, walking, swimming etc.. but it is somehow a necessary tension.
The second point is an error. The eb6 was not “supported” at all. It was the reverb+amplification which helped her.
The D6 was thin, unclear and not well projected. Plus, we can’t decide if she was supported because that it’s post production.
Yeah✌
@@PhantomSinging_channel Do make a video like this for Dimash as well.....
She has supported E6 from 2003
She has show full headvoice in many old (2007 - 2013) Upon This Rock performance
Her lowest supported note is F3 she has 2 of supported F3 from 2012 and 2020 or 2021 (i forgot)
She has Above Average agility in modern music, she has show a very fast runs in Begin Again
Her F6s sound less tense than her E6s lol
You again?
@@jeongzz3817 huh? 😂
High tessitura soprano magic😂
Tension? You should check it! And C#6 is balance and res too
There's no C#6 there. Please tell me you're seriously hearing a C#6 here - clyp.it/odie2u0o?token=1b0ffc40b90895e6b179fd75d43884c1 It's a sharp C6.
@@KajiVocals ??? th-cam.com/video/jQ4r0tUOZds/w-d-xo.html
@@klwlskekdn1638 ??
Not really
I agree that she strained E6 and F6 a lot but for D6-Eb6 i don't think so, even E6 or F6 she still carried some supported,to say she strained all HV above D6? No i don't think so.
I actually think some of the D6 had tension, especially @11:58. It sounded like it was supported but pushed with some tension. Definitely not strained though.
@@richardwong6400 I agree with you, it carried some supported for me, well placement though.
Lee young Hyun A-(81) sohyang A(85) that means too good ❤❤❤❤❤.
There's no perfect singers, guys. Angels maybe. But So Hyang is shockingly a human and for a human, she's very good.
If you're a fan of SoHyang, you would know that her lows aren't really that great, her agility needs work.
Other issues like pitch issues and those occasional "supported" only belts could be arguably attributed to her being very sickly. Of course, being sick can affect vocal performance but that's really out of SHs control. However, when she's not she will definitely be more on pitch and resonate those belts.
Wow. I'm actually impressed there's a So Hyang fan here that isn't just insulting this video. Good job.
I stan a rational SoHyang fan
@@KajiVocals no need to be surprised lol I agree there are fans who are too defensive but many of us can actually be rational lol
@@shh4874 You are one of the rational ones tho. But many just insult whoever disagrees with them. Same goes for Dimash, Mariah, Regine fans .
@@KajiVocals How dare you put two of those screamy mosquito voice singers next to Mariah?
5:37
best B5 i’ve ever heard
OMG, NOBODY CAN BEAT THAT B5
amen
incredible Queen Sohyang 👍👍👍
Korea's leading vocalist and world's best singer. Sohyang is a living legend.
I learned a lot from your professional analysis. I appreciate. You clearly pointed out what I was feeling vaguely. I agree with a lot of your opinion. You can find the comments and your content here, most of her weaknesses are related to her health, and I would appreciate if if you could analyze the recent her performances from the second half of 2020 to 2021, when she recovered her health. From what I can tell, her vocal skills have definitely improved. And, I think the reason why her head voice was relatively less developed was that her singer career started with Gospel, and she focused on the lyrics that were clearly conveyed. It's probably because the mixed voice is more powerful and easier to convey lyrics clearly to audience. Of course, from her qualities, I believe that the head voice will develop as much as an excellent classical vocalist. If she wants to.
i think she could really have been a virtuoso classical singer if she had gone that route from the beginning, but it would take her changing how she sings...
@@TheSeeking2know fr
D6 in Dream is strain ?, I think you should check again
Sounds a bit tense to me. But not strained. I would still not count it as free.
@@MariosPOS WHAT?!? What is it that you do not like about that note?
@@MariosPOS uhm, okay. It still sounds free if compared to other D6 notes of other singer tho
@@MariosPOS u never? A lie. What...i though u loved it before....u sound like have two faces😬i love sohyang on that note!
@@MariosPOS ok im glad then...she sounds very good at that note too!!
I love your channel and this vid but, I just want to say that her C#6 that she hit in dream and yes she did hit it and I know people think it’s a sharp C6 and I watched the clip stating that and of course it was tampered with bc when I went to slow it down on the actual video she CLEARLY hit a resonant C#6 in mixed voice. Also the D6 in Dream is still resonant even though she had a slightly higher larynx, it was definitely not strained... lastly I feel like her agility is underrated as well and I do not agree with the 6/10 score. I might have to have a debate about the Eb6 and E6 being “strained” as well...
Love the clips of her flaws u found. Its not easy since she had so many perfect moment.
U are the first one to point out the tension on her upper belt and 6th octave head notes. U are so brave cuz u will be punished by tons of Sohyang's followers
@@resurgingflame lol the superiority complex
complex of it all
TBR >lie
>says a whole lotta bunch of subjective shit
>definitely a lie
@@Blonde94 Literally every single complaint under this video has been cause of artist bias.
She is a star, her technique is superior even to Mariah's
Mariah was never a technical singer.
@@KajiVocals why?
@@bluerose1764 Mariah literally just sings. She doesn't use some secret 'support' technique. It's quite obvious. She's a wonderful vocalist but not what I'd call a staple of a great vocal technique. What makes her great isn't her technique but her vocal choices. So Hyang is a technical singer on the other hand. But I would still say there are hundreds of singers with a way better technique overall and less vocal issues.
You probably just don't really know many vocalists out there. I can assure you that there're tons of vocalists with technique much better than Mariah. Literally agree with Kaji comment above, Mariah was never really trained, she just used her voice at its best which leaded to confusion that her technique is/was perfect. It wasn't, it's just her legacy which made people think that way
I recommend watching the CVSS videos on my channel, I scored Sohyang and Mariah and Sohyang won by three points tho my bias goes to Mariah lol
An excellent video, a very good work that shows the strengths and also the weaknesses of our Queen Sohyang ! I think that your video tries to be as objective as possible, so thank you for that. Knowing that she has pneumonia and greats vocal skills, it proves that she's one of the best, furthermore she's very humble and that's why I love her and that she's one of my favorite singers ! She's a model for vocal technique !
some things i wanna clarify, tense notes can be supported, when she was playing around with the E6, it was supported ( I think so ) and the C#6 was supported.
I think in 2022 she is improved much
Em 2023 mais ainda!
In ur dreams supporting c#6 is not like supporting f#5 and u give both 20/20 the cvss is the best term
What happened to the Jane Zhang vocal analysis? Just wondering. Great video tho! Keep up the good work :D
Bc Jane headvoice is overrated too. She strained and flated in some of her B5 in” Heart paiting” song
@@jinji4609 you just say 'some' tho. Anyway, Jane need to fix her consistency.
@@soupsilky6009 yeah, she just need to consistent with her hv support
Pleaseee analyze her recent performances 2020-2022, i want your opinion about her vocal condition, declination issue and what could be improve ^_^
These are all live performances, guys. Name a singer that has never made a mistake singing live in their careers.
Right now her consistent supported range is F#3/G3-B5/C6-D6 (cause she didn't show any Eb6 ,E6 ... in HV, and just 2 C#6 in mixed voice ) during her prime it was G#3-C6-Eb6
Thank you so much for your precious contributions! Keep doing your great job!!!
This is one of the most thorough analyses ever made of her and I agree with almost everything. People are so used to claims such as "She resonates C#6 and F6" that they don't actually take the time to research support and see if it still applies, they just believe whatever they see in the comments. We need real, unbiased videos like this one, so thank you so much.
I just don't buy the whole ”support and strain” thing no matter who said it. It has become something people use frequently based on what they see (for example SoHyang supporting C#6 whatever). Of course the one who said it would say he is correct.
To me, I just hear what's good to my ear. Her mixed C#6? Too shouty and more like a scream for me. Her head voice? Sounds really beautiful to me if she does not go too high which sounds strident. Her lows? I can hear how airy they are but I love their warmth. That's how I would put this. At this day and age "vocal rating" has become something that speaks to fans more than an "objective" analysis. Fans have some mutual ideas of what is "supposed to be" good and I doubt a lot of them know what they are saying. Yes I am being subjective but this is much less of a burden to become "technical listeners that have knowledge".
@@littlelamb8048 I agree with a lot of that :)
@@uiteren2845 Are you kidding? The KpopVocalAnalysis blog made that claim for years before they took their joke of an analysis down after being called out.
AsianMusicSubs Exactly. Not to mention KPopVocalAnalysis says A LOT of stuff that pretty much contradicts how the voice works.
@@uiteren2845 No, they took it down right after a fifteen-page comment was left showing how ludicrous it was.
The site is more about analyzing Korean vocalists than it is Kpop stars.
Hey there, nice video. I was just wondering what your credentials are? Do you have any musical degrees?
Scoops are really abundant in most Korean Ballad songs. IMO.
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I'm still waiting for the vocal analysis of Eunji
She rank S
Her support and resonance up to D6/Eb6 and she used to support F3,she sounds resonant G5,D6,Eb6 in this video..lol
Innaccurate
What version of Arirang is this at 21:00 ????
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👏 👏 👏 Thx ...u gave your analysis and an A .. . So I’m happy, (think u like her 2). I was enjoying the 🎶 so much, found myself lost in the singing. Honestly 💕your video. ✌🏼♥️ 2h
I like this channel but there are so many misinformation of sohyang in this vid🙄
So I hope creator will fix it.
Thx for your efforts😆
did you removed your video of Dimash full vocal analysis?
Yes
@@PhantomSinging_channel n do you plan on making another video bout him anytime later?
Her hv is resonant up to eb6
Nope
We need an update vocal analysis 😍
I agree
whiny nasal mid belt
A melhor cantora do mundo!
she learn about music and how to sing after she married her husband (husband family are musical people), so her early time technique is definitely flaw, she also got some nasty lung problem, but the older she get man her skill improved a whole lot
Amazing.
Who is going to be the next singer? i would love to know Natalie Weiss!!!
Best Vocalist ‼️❤️
Please making the research carefully before analysis any vocalist. This video it seen complete one-side analyze doesn’t have any objective opinion. Im really disappointed about u guys video. Sorry for me to unsub and give this video 1 dislike.
Lol. He clearly did his research. You are the one who's looking at this subjectively.
Kaji Hi Kaji, I realize the above analysis is somewhat incorrect. I think this video is made by her haters.
@@quanminh3911 >This channel legit previously made material that was talking a lot of good about So Hyang and THIS video agrees with a lot of what y'all say as well. Clearly a 'hater' lol. You have to realise that not everyone who disagrees with you lot is a hater. It's just critique.
Kaji However The phantom of singing should make another video to re-analyze, it seen i overrate this channel over the time.
@@quanminh3911 Why? This is his critique and you can't change his opinion.
sad but she's still 10's BEST vocalist
What's so sad?
Too nitpicky,
Every singer is subject to today's condition, If SH gets 85, who can acquire over 90?, One of her strongest is the unique tone that is a very important element to singer, though it's not taken into consideration either.
Very nice analysis, but definitely not accurate, especially about head voice part and tension in her mix voice above Eb5 lmao. Looking at your first few videos, I noticed that you're a vocal pedagogy fan/ not a vocal coach or someone has studied vocal pedagogy so these pieces of information are expected not to be accurate 100%
And Sohyang get 20/20 for mix voice is funny lmao. He don't know how hard to support mix voice above G5, there're only few sopranos in the world who can support above G5 mix voice. Sohyang should get at least 30/20 for her mix voice
17:07 "Adding High Notes - Literally Every Song" 😂
wich song is it in 9:50??
Breathe - Sohyang
Such emotional and really hard to sing 😂
There are so many parts of video is not in her prime
@ChiYeol851 Of course not, there are clips from 2019
What i mean it continues in her prime
@ChiYeol851 12:28 in 2003; 12:35
In her prime? Joke 😂
@ChiYeol851 I think when analyzing vocals we should take notes in prime time because before that her technique was not complete
@ChiYeol851 Its to early to say that she has left her prime. Definetly to early...
Of course SoHyang is the best Asian singer without a doubt. (Not queen of shrill headvoice-Jane Zhang)
Disagree on the C#6. Listen to the fancam version of Dream on C#6. It's a resonant C#6. And even in that video it's still a resonant note. Go check it yourself thank you.
Where is Jane's analysis?
Jane zhang is better than sohyang?
Is it joke? 🤣
Jane has better lows, agility and head voice
I like both🤣 really love two.
But jane is no near to sohyang vocally😂
@@stupidpinoyintothehell2504 really yes lol, she has a lot of control
Head voice: SoHyang>> Jane
Agility: Jane 9/10; Sohyang 8/10 (run 8 notes/s, transition: amazing)
Lower register : Jane>>Sohyang (support)
Upper register: Sohyang>>>>Jane (mix+ head: breath control, dynamic control, stamina, jump oct, vibrato...)
But Phantom of singing rated Jane A+ Sohyang A 👎👎👎
@@bluerose1764 sorry lol
There is non upper register lol, there's chest, mix, head, falsetto, fry, and whistle register.
When you are rating low notes, you can call them as a chest register.
So
Chest register or low notes - Jane
Mix register - sohyang
Head voice - jane
Agility - jane
Jane is operatic trained, she is consistent to E6/F6 with support on head voice
Her tense become because in this periode she was sick
That's not stylistic breathiness. It's a lack of chest development. That whole bit at 1:48 shows exactly what I mean.
She never has the ring, and her upper mix suffers from a very high larynx.
I didn't hear a crescendo there on that Eb5.
It's not a stylistically low larynx. Again, it's her trying to get an embodied chest sound but lacking real development to.
It's more than occasional nasality.
At which note do you think she starts to have larynx issues?
@@littlelamb8048 Generally above G5, but I think that's true for everyone. Not just her. Sohyang has shown more of an ability to control her larynx position in the 5th octave than most, so I'll give her credit for that.
@@AnimeMovement Thanks.
Phantom of singing: Jane> Sohyang
Lovato Lover: Sohyang>Trinity
=> Jane> Trinity??? 😱 I'm shock
@Tortelini But Phantom of Singing rated Jane A+, Sohyang A 😢
@ChiYeol851 well you answered yourself. To be rated that high you need consistency.
Tortelini People being good vocalists have absolutely nothing to do with this.
@ChiYeol851 then I don't what to tell you. This person has been pretty biased so far and not much knowledgeable either if that's the case. I would at least expect people to stick to their narratives, but maybe I'm asking for too much.
@@uiteren2845 I've yet to hear a single note below G2 that was done with an actual neutral larynx lol. From anyone. And that includes low basses. You have to realise that larynx position has literally nothing to do with freedom or lack of it. In fact pushing the larynx to be neutral on those pitches (high notes too) will usually attract more tension as it's not the natural function of the voice. So lol to that.
소향님 …💗💗💗
sorry but I have a question. Compare with Lee YoungHuyn. Sohyang is more flexible than her so why
they equal points in agility
Check out the corrections in the description box in Younghyun's analysis!
Why does people are so so obsessed with this "supported" or "ring" things when in fact you don't exactly need to belt every effin word?
I love hearing singers who can reach stratospheric notes but music is more than those high notes.
It's the lyrical and musical interpretation done with conviction and authenticity are what's more important as an artist.
There are many singers that have limited vocal range but this fact does not stop them from creating a performance that has a long-lasting effect.
Be intentional and be authentic. That's all that matters.
Do u stop make this system? If not, make for lena Park pleaseee
I don't know what kind of credentials you got to have this type of opinion on her, but you certainly went out of your way to scrutinize every possible bad notes of an artist who mostly sings for churches, benefit concerts and charity events. She does not sing for your analysis or anybody else. Nor does she sing to show you her vocal skills. She did that only in two competitions. Lot of your sample notes of her here were sung while she is ill, too. This kind of analysis is better suited for opera singers or other flamboyant pop singers who does tons of concerts. Leave her be ! Her fans love her for what she represents not just her vocal skills.
17:49 what is that crap LMAO
Queen! So Hyang 💕 💕 💕 💕 💕
0:19 do anyone know what song is it ?
In the flower garden
The last C#6 is resonant in dream
No, it isn't! She doesn't actually resonate in the 5th and 6th octave.💀💀💀
Great video the phantom of singing! You’d gained a new suscriber😉
Btw, are you sure that you’re a baritone?
He is :P
her F6 in IAAS ( i am a singer ) was so scary
People are so closed off to the idea that she isn't perfect. It's scary how brainwashed we can be. I was the same way.
Her not being perfect isn't why people are disagreeing with this video though.
Don't understand why so many hateful comments towards you, in my opinion, you made a great job considering not only her strengths but also her weak sides. Your analysis was done very thoroughly and without any mistakes, Sohyang is one the best vocalists out there but she's a human and has her flaws which aren't even that big so there's no need to make any wars in the comment section
There were mistakes, confusing excessive tension with strain is one of them.
@@shh4874 yes, but it's mostly accurate and this is just plain nitpicking
@@shh4874 But don't you think other some critical parts are accurate? It seems the whole community has some mutual ideas that may not be correct (like SoHyang always sings relaxed which is not true in a lot of times) but when some people point them out fans get really aggressive. Also look at the like ratio eww...
@@littlelamb8048 well honestly I don't care what people think but I do care when they push their agendas and don't seem to be consistent with what they're labeling as objective. And no, I don't find this video accurate.
@@lightning0506 Is showing videos from 2000s when it's stated that the video is about her prime, nitpicking also? And confusing terms that are critical to be objective is nitpicking?
Does Sohyang fall under the "low regoster underdeveloped " trope that so many sopranos fall under? Includes Lara, Kelly, Ailee, Whitney. Everything else in her voice is pretty much 10/10.
Her lower register is standard for Soprano like the other vocalists you mentioned. Whitney was above average for soprano. She had down to F#3/G3
@@PrxppyCoca1nedrxgsXxtx Doesn't Kelly have the same for her low register too?
@@gdvvgdfv . She has down To G3 which marks above Average for a soprano
@@PrxppyCoca1nedrxgsXxtx This is unrelated to women but for men is the first midbelt g4?
@@gdvvgdfv i think male mid belts are from E4-A4 and Female Ones are from A4-D5
Queen .angel
Many parts of this video is not her prime or at her best. The video has errors too.
don't scoring her style.
In every moment resonat and supported
is not pop music style. that is opera...haha
That eb6 is supported
Also people don t realize that this is your scoring system, you can do what you want. If they don't agree that's not your fault, that's theirs. There are even a few things about this system that I don't agree with, so I made my own system. If they want to do the same, they should before they just hate on yours.
@@MariosPOS Do you have a specific example?
@@MariosPOS I can't find your comment
@@MariosPOS I found it and read it. I'm perfectly agree with you. This channel is indecent. Lovatolover has disappointed me a lot
Every The bias lol.
Marios POS On what basis though? So far every single comment I’ve seen has been very subjective.
What a great video! Why so many dislikes? Support!
People are strain (means can't help themselves). Sohyang are support (improve herself). Get it lol.
what is mini squal???????
Squall is a distortion technique. ILoveArethaFranklin has a video on it.
sing for fame ❌
sing to GOD ✅
12:56 that’s an E6 ^^
Flat F6
I find wrong and don't agree on lots of points the maker pointed out. I don't feel necessary to wach this long with a bunch of live performances. I ignore this. She is just top-tiered despite her chronic sickness with -70% functions off from the real herself regardless of her age. Forties are generally heydays for singers.
i agree with you on the lows notes, and in the mix range too (except for the fact the some of the C6 i don't consider it on her prime but it can change from person to person) and on her head voice i would say her D6 are a bit tense but doesn't fully drop support, about the Eb6 is hard to classify, you are 100% correct about her agility and musicianship and musicality, well that's my opinion. Still your video is amazing as always!!!!
6:32 is actually a E5 to me. You forgot to add more info about thick/full head voice in the description ! Great video btw✌🏻
Yeah, that's an E.
Oh! My bad on the E5...! I'll write a correction in the description box!
The definitions have been added, you may take a look :)
please do one about lara fabian！please！
You know these are a lot of things in this video that made me pissed
Sao video này nhiều dislike vậy???
I see people disliking without even watching the video. Fun.
@@uiteren2845 Lol why? I actually think he overstated her vocal freedom there.
I watched this video and dislike it
@@uiteren2845 Again, on what basis? What articles or sources or studies are you using to confirm that your concepts are correct?
@@uiteren2845 Fun. Not answering to my question.
Anyways. I mostly base my knowledge on Ingo Titze's work, Jo Estill's literature, Cathrine Sadolin's CVT but I don't mind Manuel Garcia and Richard Miller either.
Now, list your sources. And I'm asking for actual vocal pedagogy sources and not stuff like 'KPopVocalAnalysis' or 'MrSkinnyJeanz' lol.
@@ScarletWiccan What are you talking about lol?
Hyolyn vocal range
Bb2-G#5
Analisa a voz da Ali
Many of ya are hurt..... I see..... The reality is that she's the best when it comes to 4th and 5th octave, using chesty mixed register..... And that's it....... She isn't the queen of head voice!!!!
Edit:And yeah, she's not that strong at low notes either.....
Lmao, dimash can’t support his 5th octave lol
And his low note was deep but lacks of support
I think his lowest supported note was B2/C3
Mezzo can do that...
But his Head Voice is one of the best
((My english is so bad, ik))
@@armansyahdh6009 Lol.... Dimash not only supports his 5th octave but he resonates into the fifth octave sometimes 😅
@@newhope5729 yeah whatever...
@@armansyahdh6009 The F#5 in the SOS has been resonant sometimes, and F#5s in all by myself too.... I remember some of them are resonant, plus just watch a video named David phelps vs dimash F5..... The F#5 in that video is the best I've ever heard from a tenor..... In fact it is the best F#5 ever sung by a male... So, strong and resonant
@@newhope5729 give me the link
Her c#6 is resonant tf?
Her mixed C#6 is NOT resonant!💀💀💀
queen of all nasal voice
hah sheer ignorance, better off get your facts right
@@AnTran-zi3ur thats the fact bitch haha
@@papz8747 and filipin queen of all screaming voice =)))))
@@NguyenLam-cv5nt sohyang is the top screamer haha
@@papz8747 If we talk about screaming, the worst nasal voice in the world, no country can beat the Philippines, a country of "mental masturbation". =)))
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