I have two RPis dedicated to RISCOS 5.28. That, unfortunately, is not something you can do with any mini PC or most SBC. So, learning about new options is always a good thing.
Nice neat case I'm not currently a pi user, though i bought one for a project years ago The main thing i didn't like abut it was that the connectors were all around the board, no organisation I recently saw a vid about the rock pi 5, and really like the set up
Yeah. I think a lot of this stuff they are just happy enough to be able to fit it at all. I've done a very tiny bit of PCB design and getting things where you want them is a huge trick. I'm guessing that every time a new board comes out with custom chips they have a lot more say on what side of the chip a pin is on and things like that to make it a lot better. In the beginning they were using off the shelf chips.
At this point I’d buy a mini desktop pc they can do the same thing with barely any modifications and they can be cheap if you find them used a lot of the time they’re faster then the pi 4
It's funny. I made a video about this like two or three years ago and when I talked about the potential of using a thin client PC instead of a raspberry pi... And where you might want to use one versus the other... I got banned from the raspberry pi subreddit and they've refused to undo it every time I made an appeal
A mini desktop pc doesn't have GPIO pins to control devices and/or read sensors. I'm using an RPi 3B+ to control a greenhouse environment and it acts as a web server to display the conditions in a browser. How do you do that with a cheap mini desktop pc?
@@WilliamBurlingame You don't, but 95% of the time, I don't use the GPIO. If I need GPIO I usually use an arduino/ESP and send the data to one of my apis.
The biggest issue is the availability. I have two Pi 4s of which one sits inside my DIY NAS on a 3D printed PCI bracket doing backup tasks there such as acting as second DNS. I have another one which I'd actually love to put inside that Argon case with or without M2 slot but I too want to use it inside a C64 I had a Pi 3 set up with. Hope the Foundation gets things fixed again in the near future because doing projects with those SBCs is really fun.
Agreed. It's a really big bummer that only companies can get these things. I still have my pre-pandemic old stockpile but I feel bad sharing projects when no one can get them.
I have the original Argon One case for my Pi4 which runs Octoprint, and it's been performing great the last couple of years. Shame that you have to have a M.2 SATA SSD with that case, as I have a couple of NVMe SSD drives from PCs which I upgraded, and they would be perfect as upgrades for my other 2 Pi 4's, which I luckily got a couple of years ago before the shortages. I know there would be no speed advantage, but the drives would essentially be free for people in that position.
Yeah I agree. I would much prefer the standard NVMe. I had some of those leftover from other projects. I only have one laptop that used an SSD m.2. they're still a good deal though
yes this case design is optimal but what it needs is an indicator light of at least it is powered on ..... I have the first design and I also have the 2.0 version which is the M.2 version ...
what a stellar product design. somebody really put a thought into designing this case; and did a thorough job at that. nice video, to-the-point and well put together. the algorithm gave me something useful for a change.
Thank you so much for the kind words. It really is an impressive unit in a world full of acrylic snap together cases. The fact is actually brings real features in addition to just housing is an awesome bonus.
I have been having no luck getting HDMI audio on my TV. I do have it only with on board raspberry pi board. (tried both HDMI ports) So far when using the Raspberry Pi Imager program to install the OS, only the older "Legacy" versions include HDMI audio as a choice either from the Speaker ICON or from terminal typing sudo raspi-config and going to audio and select HDMI. All the latest versions I have tried do not offer HDMI as a choice. With the Legacy, once I make sure HDMI is chosen, I go into the Terminal mode and type sudo nano /boot/config.txt scroll down to hdmi_drive 2 and remove the "#" before it. Reboot and audio is on the HDMI line to my TV. Something must not be installed on newer versions could be the reason HDMI is not a choice for audio.
@@AnotherMaker After over a month I found the solution to no HDMI audio. I made the following changes sudo nano /boot/config.txt dtoverlay=vc4-kms-v3d change to dtoverlay=vc4-fkms-v3d remove "#" #hdmi_drive=2 reboot/restart select your hdmi from the sound applet The first line added HDMI as a choice when clicking the speaker icon or doing a sudo raspi-config, system, audio and now HDMI audio output will be a choice. Such a simple change but no one knew the answer from several of my requests. The version of OS is when using the IMAGER program from raspberry pi, its the 1st choice with Desktop.
I wanted the Argon case so Bad for my RPi3, but I never got it, Once My daughter and I got matching RPi4's from Santa 2 years ago, We got matching Kits with the Argon M.2, We Love Em
When it comes to micro hdmi solutions, the wires are better than the adapters. The adapters like to break easily. I've even had a bad adapter mangle an micro hdmi 0 port on the pi itself. I've had very good results with Samsung BAR and Fit, USB flash memory for boot. 128GB and 256GB worked well. 64GB ones seemed to get hotter and not work as well for me, longevity wise. It's anecdotal. More issues at the limit of overclock and USB power. No noticeable difference between the flash and ssd. I had hope about PI's being in stock when I got one in July. Something went wrong, and that one became the first to pop. Overclocked to the limit and plugging in USBs something gave. Will not even run off GPIO 5V battery. I still haven't been able to replace that one yet. Spare parts now 😅
sdcard, use a convertor to emmc which plugs into sdcard slot (rockpi), speed is decided by sdcard system probably. for silent cooling fan see Garatronic (France) (skipped video when mentioning gpio needs documentation, yeah)
Yeah. I used the GPIO sometimes but more often than not, I don't. I still think the USB system is faster than the SD card system overall. Probably buy something like 35 to 40%
You wanna know what the biggest flaw the Raspberry Pi has, eh, well let me tell you @AnotherMaker... They're just too damn expensive, but apparently that's not an issue for you, Mr. Moneybags, Mr. My Raspberry Pi Brings All The Boys To The Yard, , Mr. Making It Rain With My Raspberry Pi Money B1tch3s...🤣🤣🤣 I'll stick to my side of the tracks with my D1 Mini ESP8266's, thank you very much...🤣🤣🤣 But seriously, great video and nice case.
That's really funny :-) I will say that the markup is all scalping. I've gotten lucky a few times and been able to buy all of my recent ones at microcenter at list price. I was definitely fortunate enough to have loaded up on a bunch of other ones before they got expensive. They were a heck of a deal at retail and now I'm kind of glad that I hoarded the ones that I did. Although I gave one away as a Christmas gift this year and I'm not going to lie that that was a little painful lol :-)
Your comparing apple and oranges when you compare a D1 Mini ESP8266 to an RPi 4. I've been replacing RPi SBC based projects with RPI Pico Ws. They compare more favorable in price to a D1 Mini ESP8266.
Thanks for sharing a super helpful video and I agree with your points 💯 as it really needs 1 x full HDMI, installing a fan takes up space and although you can always use a case such as this one from Argon which doesn't come without its own issues and it ain't cheap but the Pi4B still ranks well against newer SBCs from the competition - that's if you're lucky to buy one for an affordable price. 👌
I definitely did get lucky getting them at a good price. And yeah, I don't really understand some of their design decisions. They made a really good board but I don't know that people were begging for dual video outputs
@AnotherMaker It's kinda nice being able to split social media between 2 screens, Twitter and TH-cam for example. Other use cases, looking things up on one screen, definitions, information,spelling, while watching something else. It doesn't seem to have a performance hit, 2125/866 on my slowest Pi4. I use Twister OS, it has a great UI for displays and in general. Android 13 will give you 2 of the same screen (both hdmi.) Played GTA SA dual screened for awhile to see if it would have issues, seemed to work fine.
I have a bunch of those. I love the hardware but the software has a lot to be desired. I have a hard time getting a lot of programs that run flawlessly on the raspberry working on the orange
@@AnotherMaker i just left my rpi for 2 weeks and when im about to use it, it now displays 'usb overcurrent'. nothing is plugged in it, just the power. i tested my sd card to other else's rpi and it's working fine and no over current on their part. and even used their power supple adapter to my rpi 4b and still over current. so i guess the problem is in my rpi right? but i just used my rpi quite few times in vnc and yeah. it's now on overcurrent
those mini hdmi ports are trash. my hdmi one slot has broken 4 times and i keep having to solder a new port on. ready to toss this whole single board pig in the trash. got a sweet mini pc and does 100 times more things than i even could have on this rpi4. and i got it for the price of one these cases and the pi.
same money can build better table computer, mini-itx motherboard and I3-I7 cpu less than 50$ and include 8gb RAM, i have used my table computer 3 year now raspberry pi 4 8gb, and new have ITX I5 8gb and lot cheapen and better table computer, raspian need use only emergency computer can go internet and pay bills, but main computer not need , have lot better now mini-ITX and lot cheapen than raspi, raspi 4 8gb cost ower 100$ and all same need power,cooler,usb hub, SSD etc. near 200$ but ITX i have all same less than 100$ big money save.
arcon and many passive cooler case have problem not cool good, if owerlock pi need lot lot better cooler, ice tower need use and then argon need fight to trash because not can use whit good cooler, ice tower. i has before argon but not true good cool, i fight argon case to trash because have 200% better use ice tower ,have true good cooler lot lot better than argon, argon my cpu temp has ower 50C alltime but ice tower have less than 40C now alltime and play game and owerlocked have 2000 mhz and more. but temp stay less than 45C
I now need one of those cases.
And an M.2 reader.
And a pi4 for that matter.
That's what makes mailbags so dangerous.
You forgot one very important thing, you'll need to win the lottery, or remortgage your house, just to afford the PI4...🤣🤣
Cool video. Argon 40 cases are my favorite. Quick tip, if you need labels for GPIO pins, type “pinout” in the terminal.
That is fun. I didn't know that. Thank you.
I have two RPis dedicated to RISCOS 5.28. That, unfortunately, is not something you can do with any mini PC or most SBC. So, learning about new options is always a good thing.
Nice neat case
I'm not currently a pi user, though i bought one for a project years ago
The main thing i didn't like abut it was that the connectors were all around the board, no organisation
I recently saw a vid about the rock pi 5, and really like the set up
Yeah. I think a lot of this stuff they are just happy enough to be able to fit it at all. I've done a very tiny bit of PCB design and getting things where you want them is a huge trick. I'm guessing that every time a new board comes out with custom chips they have a lot more say on what side of the chip a pin is on and things like that to make it a lot better. In the beginning they were using off the shelf chips.
At this point I’d buy a mini desktop pc they can do the same thing with barely any modifications and they can be cheap if you find them used a lot of the time they’re faster then the pi 4
It's funny. I made a video about this like two or three years ago and when I talked about the potential of using a thin client PC instead of a raspberry pi... And where you might want to use one versus the other... I got banned from the raspberry pi subreddit and they've refused to undo it every time I made an appeal
A mini desktop pc doesn't have GPIO pins to control devices and/or read sensors. I'm using an RPi 3B+ to control a greenhouse environment and it acts as a web server to display the conditions in a browser. How do you do that with a cheap mini desktop pc?
@@WilliamBurlingame usb maybe but then you probably wouldn’t be able to code it easily so idk
@@WilliamBurlingame You don't, but 95% of the time, I don't use the GPIO. If I need GPIO I usually use an arduino/ESP and send the data to one of my apis.
@@WilliamBurlingameI would deeply appreciate any info on what HW/SW you used. Thanks -
The biggest issue is the availability.
I have two Pi 4s of which one sits inside my DIY NAS on a 3D printed PCI bracket doing backup tasks there such as acting as second DNS.
I have another one which I'd actually love to put inside that Argon case with or without M2 slot but I too want to use it inside a C64 I had a Pi 3 set up with.
Hope the Foundation gets things fixed again in the near future because doing projects with those SBCs is really fun.
Agreed. It's a really big bummer that only companies can get these things. I still have my pre-pandemic old stockpile but I feel bad sharing projects when no one can get them.
I have the Argon case as well, nice and clean unit
I think it's going to be my go to case going forward
Your video appeared at the right time, cheers.
Is it smart to have the RP OS on a Micro SD while storing everything else on the M.2?
I have the original Argon One case for my Pi4 which runs Octoprint, and it's been performing great the last couple of years. Shame that you have to have a M.2 SATA SSD with that case, as I have a couple of NVMe SSD drives from PCs which I upgraded, and they would be perfect as upgrades for my other 2 Pi 4's, which I luckily got a couple of years ago before the shortages. I know there would be no speed advantage, but the drives would essentially be free for people in that position.
Yeah I agree. I would much prefer the standard NVMe. I had some of those leftover from other projects. I only have one laptop that used an SSD m.2. they're still a good deal though
Plenty of Pi's now! Good video. Great case.
yes this case design is optimal but what it needs is an indicator light of at least it is powered on .....
I have the first design and I also have the 2.0 version which is the M.2 version ...
I do agree because the fan can be on with the system off. That's kind of weird.
what a stellar product design. somebody really put a thought into designing this case; and did a thorough job at that. nice video, to-the-point and well put together. the algorithm gave me something useful for a change.
Thank you so much for the kind words. It really is an impressive unit in a world full of acrylic snap together cases. The fact is actually brings real features in addition to just housing is an awesome bonus.
I have been having no luck getting HDMI audio on my TV. I do have it only with on board raspberry pi board. (tried both HDMI ports)
So far when using the Raspberry Pi Imager program to install the OS, only the older "Legacy" versions include HDMI audio
as a choice either from the Speaker ICON or from terminal typing sudo raspi-config and going to audio and select HDMI. All the latest versions I have tried do not offer
HDMI as a choice. With the Legacy, once I make sure HDMI is chosen, I go into the Terminal mode and type sudo nano /boot/config.txt scroll down to hdmi_drive 2 and remove the "#" before it. Reboot and audio is on the HDMI line to my TV. Something must not be installed on newer versions could be the reason HDMI is not
a choice for audio.
I haven't run into that but I very rarely use the normal desktop versions either.
@@AnotherMaker After over a month I found the solution to no HDMI audio. I made the following changes
sudo nano /boot/config.txt
dtoverlay=vc4-kms-v3d
change to
dtoverlay=vc4-fkms-v3d
remove "#"
#hdmi_drive=2
reboot/restart
select your hdmi from the sound applet
The first line added HDMI as a choice when clicking the speaker icon or doing a sudo raspi-config, system, audio and now HDMI audio output will be a choice.
Such a simple change but no one knew the answer from several of my requests. The version of OS is when using the IMAGER program from raspberry pi, its
the 1st choice with Desktop.
@@n1kkri Thanks so much for sharing. I saved this snippet so I have it.
@@AnotherMaker it was my pleasure to share.
Please fix the USB 3 port noise which effects the 2.4gb range for WiFi, blutooth, IOT, 3rd party keyboards
I've never run into that. Interesting. Although I almost never use these things on wifi.
I wanted the Argon case so Bad for my RPi3, but I never got it, Once My daughter and I got matching RPi4's from Santa 2 years ago, We got matching Kits with the Argon M.2, We Love Em
Yeah I've been using it for a while and I am very very pleased with it
When it comes to micro hdmi solutions, the wires are better than the adapters. The adapters like to break easily. I've even had a bad adapter mangle an micro hdmi 0 port on the pi itself. I've had very good results with Samsung BAR and Fit, USB flash memory for boot. 128GB and 256GB worked well. 64GB ones seemed to get hotter and not work as well for me, longevity wise. It's anecdotal. More issues at the limit of overclock and USB power. No noticeable difference between the flash and ssd.
I had hope about PI's being in stock when I got one in July. Something went wrong, and that one became the first to pop. Overclocked to the limit and plugging in USBs something gave. Will not even run off GPIO 5V battery. I still haven't been able to replace that one yet. Spare parts now 😅
sdcard, use a convertor to emmc which plugs into sdcard slot (rockpi), speed is decided by sdcard system probably.
for silent cooling fan see Garatronic (France) (skipped video when mentioning gpio needs documentation, yeah)
Yeah. I used the GPIO sometimes but more often than not, I don't. I still think the USB system is faster than the SD card system overall. Probably buy something like 35 to 40%
this is brilliant thanks for the TONS of valuable info.
Glad it was helpful!
super smooth bro👌🏾👌🏾, preciate the site link
I believe people use them for tank levels all the time.
4:15I see what u did there😂 very subtle. But obviously i cant tell you what was very subtle5:30
Shh. Don't tell anyone;)
@@AnotherMaker Very dirty harry🤣
You wanna know what the biggest flaw the Raspberry Pi has, eh, well let me tell you @AnotherMaker... They're just too damn expensive, but apparently that's not an issue for you, Mr. Moneybags, Mr. My Raspberry Pi Brings All The Boys To The Yard, , Mr. Making It Rain With My Raspberry Pi Money B1tch3s...🤣🤣🤣
I'll stick to my side of the tracks with my D1 Mini ESP8266's, thank you very much...🤣🤣🤣
But seriously, great video and nice case.
That's really funny :-) I will say that the markup is all scalping. I've gotten lucky a few times and been able to buy all of my recent ones at microcenter at list price.
I was definitely fortunate enough to have loaded up on a bunch of other ones before they got expensive. They were a heck of a deal at retail and now I'm kind of glad that I hoarded the ones that I did. Although I gave one away as a Christmas gift this year and I'm not going to lie that that was a little painful lol :-)
@@AnotherMaker to be fair it's all just overpriced sand really. 🤣
Your comparing apple and oranges when you compare a D1 Mini ESP8266 to an RPi 4. I've been replacing RPi SBC based projects with RPI Pico Ws. They compare more favorable in price to a D1 Mini ESP8266.
@@WilliamBurlingame it all depends on your point of view as, in reality, they are all just grains of sand after all. 🤣
You sir are a legend!!!!!
Thanks for sharing a super helpful video and I agree with your points 💯 as it really needs 1 x full HDMI, installing a fan takes up space and although you can always use a case such as this one from Argon which doesn't come without its own issues and it ain't cheap but the Pi4B still ranks well against newer SBCs from the competition - that's if you're lucky to buy one for an affordable price. 👌
I definitely did get lucky getting them at a good price. And yeah, I don't really understand some of their design decisions. They made a really good board but I don't know that people were begging for dual video outputs
@AnotherMaker It's kinda nice being able to split social media between 2 screens, Twitter and TH-cam for example. Other use cases, looking things up on one screen, definitions, information,spelling, while watching something else. It doesn't seem to have a performance hit, 2125/866 on my slowest Pi4. I use Twister OS, it has a great UI for displays and in general. Android 13 will give you 2 of the same screen (both hdmi.) Played GTA SA dual screened for awhile to see if it would have issues, seemed to work fine.
Many of the flaws of the Raspberry Pi have been addressed, including the inability to use NVME drives; it's called the Orange PI 5 Plus.
I have a bunch of those. I love the hardware but the software has a lot to be desired. I have a hard time getting a lot of programs that run flawlessly on the raspberry working on the orange
The worst part ... the power supplies. Trying to find a power supply that lasts is terrible.
I link canakit and argon... Those are the only two I will buy anymore
@@AnotherMaker.. my Canakit power supply died after 3 months. Only factory supplies for me as I was having under voltage issues.
@@LionRoars918 yeah I've never had one of those die. That really stinks
I hate seeing this quality video with this views count
Thank you for the kind words. I guess that's TH-cam :-)
@@AnotherMakerFirst time I’ve seen you - you’ve gotta good thing going on here. Kudos.
Cost.
Yeah. Cost used to be one of the biggest benefits.
Both my hdmi ports broke on the first use
On the pi?
is this channel still alive? i want to ask something
I'm around. I'm not on yt a ton, but I am around. What's up?
@@AnotherMaker i just left my rpi for 2 weeks and when im about to use it, it now displays 'usb overcurrent'. nothing is plugged in it, just the power. i tested my sd card to other else's rpi and it's working fine and no over current on their part. and even used their power supple adapter to my rpi 4b and still over current. so i guess the problem is in my rpi right? but i just used my rpi quite few times in vnc and yeah. it's now on overcurrent
well done
Thank!
those mini hdmi ports are trash. my hdmi one slot has broken 4 times and i keep having to solder a new port on. ready to toss this whole single board pig in the trash. got a sweet mini pc and does 100 times more things than i even could have on this rpi4. and i got it for the price of one these cases and the pi.
same money can build better table computer, mini-itx motherboard and I3-I7 cpu less than 50$ and include 8gb RAM, i have used my table computer 3 year now raspberry pi 4 8gb, and new have ITX I5 8gb and lot cheapen and better table computer, raspian need use only emergency computer can go internet and pay bills, but main computer not need , have lot better now mini-ITX and lot cheapen than raspi, raspi 4 8gb cost ower 100$ and all same need power,cooler,usb hub, SSD etc. near 200$ but ITX i have all same less than 100$ big money save.
Yeah, I use small form factor pcs for a lot of things in place of the raspberry pi now.
Arg me matey. 😎
arcon and many passive cooler case have problem not cool good, if owerlock pi need lot lot better cooler, ice tower need use and then argon need fight to trash because not can use whit good cooler, ice tower. i has before argon but not true good cool, i fight argon case to trash because have 200% better use ice tower ,have true good cooler lot lot better than argon, argon my cpu temp has ower 50C alltime but ice tower have less than 40C now alltime and play game and owerlocked have 2000 mhz and more. but temp stay less than 45C
This case is not passive. It has a fan
nit picker
Thank you.