Triceratops: Your Dinosaurs Are Wrong #16
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 16 ก.ค. 2015
- thegeekgroup.org/ - It's one of our most requested dinosaurs! Steve covers the inaccuracies of one of the several toys viewers sent in for this episode, talks Triceratops's crest and horn development, and touches on the popular, yet erroneous notion that this particular dinosaur never even existed.
Video Links:
1:29 ia801600.us.archive.org/31/it...
1:36 biodiversitylibrary.org/page/4...
2:31 www.pnas.org/content/111/28/10...
3:14 en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maastri...
11:10 palaeo-electronica.org/2007_1/...
11:55 gspauldino.com/Forelimb.pdf
13:01 www.denverfowler.com/publicati...
14:09 www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/arti...
16:56 • Musk oxen in character...
18:39 www.plosone.org/article/info:d...
21:55 • The shape-shifting sku...
23:36 www.ploscollections.org/articl...
23:36 www.plosone.org/article/info%3...
24:29 www.thegeekgroup.org
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'I am a mature Triceratops who wishes to mate with you' is my new pickup line.
How did it go? Are you still on this? Like seriously, I need to know! It's important.
Now for the intimidation: ‘I am a mean triceratops who will mess you up if you try to eat me’
I showed this video to a co-worker and she says she's making that her tinder profile.
You'll at least find the right friends that way. 😎
Nice
"Give it neck muscles or else the toy tyrannosaur will starve"
Joshua Bellville *YOU ATE MY ONLY FOOD*. *NOW IM GUNNA STARVE*
Triceratops be like"That's their problem"
"So give it neck muscles or the toy Tyrannosaurus will starve" *Music stops for a few seconds*
Made my day
so wait, You are telling me that there is evidence that T Rex *decapitated* Triceratops to eat the neck meat? thats both awesome and brutal at the same time
Makes sense really. See how seagulls and crows eat. It probably Held it in place with its foot whilst "pecking" it out, i've seen birds handle cans and cooking pans. The tip of the trex skull is also strong like in crocks- unlike the other smaller predators,- that had weaker skulls in the front.
The Tyrannosaurus equivalent to popping the cap off a bottle of beer. ;)
Its awesomely brutal
“Save the neck for me, Clark!” 🦕🦖
Right but would other tyrannosaurids have done that like Daspletosaurus or Zuchengtyrannus? I'd say plausible but can't say for sure unless there's proof all tyrannosaurids did so.
I LOVE Ceratopsian anatomy. I love their heads and their arms and legs are so good, especially their hands. You can tell that they evolved quadrupedal movement "recently" because when humans get on all fours, the elbows face slightly outwards, obviously indicating mainly bipedal motion, while on more derived quadrupeds the elbows are in line with the torso, like on a horse or an antelope. I'm just genuinely weak for all those chonky, smooth and colourful new restorations of Ceratopsians because it makes them look like actual animals. Beasts of the Mesozoic has such a good collection
Me too I love the ceratopsian anatomy. The shape of their heads and how the horns and stuff are placed is just so...pretty!
I just want to draw everybody's attention to the automatically generated subtitles, which at one point have Steve say centrosaurine frills had "porn sprouting out of them."
Good thing Atun-Shei has good subtitles.
19:44 I honestly thought you were going to say "because I do historical re-enactments of medieval battles on the weekends" for a second there.
The scientifically accurate dinosaurs actually look better than the toys!!
+The Amazing Springtrap I completely agree!
The Amazing Springtrap agreed!
No kidding, it doesn't feel as lazy to be accurate.
Oh they always look so much better xD they always look a little weird in the beginning because there accurate stuff along with they toy bits but it always comes together in the end xD
I vote for Steve doing a "Ark evolved" lets play series.
Yes I want it so much
He's gonna complain about how inaccurate the dinosaurs are
+kiwifrogg I second the motion! That would be amazing to watch!
+Zecryx Plays 2 that's the point
Tho it is told in the game that the creatures seen in the game are not actual prehistoric animals, but are based on them. In Ark there is no Tyrannosaurus Rex but there is Tyrannosaurus Dominus (which has never existed irl).
The Tyrannosaurs preference for Triceratops neck muscles is probably why there are so many fossilized skulls. They’d probably just leave the skull to rot/fossilize.
Could you make a Your Dinosaurs are Wrong on Spinosaurus?
Also do you mind if I give your show a shout-out on my channel?
TREY the Explainer _Spinosaurus_ is our next episode!
No, I don't mind a shout-out. Thank you for your courtesy. :)
Steven Bellettini No problem ;) I'm a massive fan!
TREY!!! Fancy meeting you here!
Wut r kgdkgsgmx TREEEEEYY
+TREY the Explainer YOU'RE THE VEST PALEONTOLOGIST TH-camR TREY I LOVE YOU'RE VIDEOS (ps. can you do a vid on quetzal in jw2)
Thank you so much for dismissing that BS about Triceratops 'not existing'
Triceratops is what I would expect out of a solitary Ceratopsid, fully fused frill that sticks close to the neck, forward-facing fully pointed horns for all three, and fairly large too, it's got everything I would expect from something that has to fight one on one more often than using group intimidation
If Triceratops and Torosaurus did turn out to be the same animal, the name that would be kept is Triceratops, right? I think that a lot of magazines and such just assumed that the adult name would automatically be kept.
Even when it's dinosaurs, adolescents get no respect from the media.
Yes. Triceratops was named first, therefore it would've kept its name.
Cool. It's nice to know for sure.
Thanks guys.
Triceratops: 1889.
Torosaurus: 1891.
Who's counting now?
Jeffrey Gao
Two years isn't a long time, but it is a finite spread of time. 1889 indeed comes before 1891.
Yeah. That's why we kept apatosaurus when atlantosaurs is soo much better. That's also why we lost brontosaurus for a bit there. Apatosaurus was named first.
Someone make toys of the finished accurate dinosaurs
Hatsune Miku ikr!!??!!
There's going to be a kickstarter for a "beasts of the mesozoic" ceratopsian toyline by David Silva sometime next year. His first kickstarter last year featured scientifically accurate raptors and was very successful, so the ceratopsian line is definitely happening.
I don't think it's going to let me add any links, but the raptors can still be pre-ordered at the backerkit store (they're currently in production). Just google "beasts of the mesozoic backerkit store" if you're interested :).
TheMaragorn I'm trying to produce a book (think field guide kinda book, dinosauria is what I'm using to keep my dinosaurs strait) on as many dinosaurs I can. I need help though :/ there are alot of dinosaurs
I would buy all of them
I would suggest doing classes like Tyrannasaurida, spinosaurida, ceratopsians, etc. You could then explain very unique species that belong to those classes and creatures that sum up what most creatures in that class would have been like in life. This would get most information people would want to know that explains creatures that fit into that specific class and if that person is interested they can research specific creatures.
The obvious mistake is that triceratops did not have mold lines!
_Triceratops_ horns and frills have healed _Tyrannosaurus rex_ bite marks on them, which shows _T. rex_ and _Triceratops_ fought each other in a similar matter to pop culture.
What he means is that it wouldn`t be what the animals were doing most of the time, and sadly, that we can`t confirm if the horns were used to fight. I personally think it`s likely, even though they wouldn`t withstand a charge, they could be bashed and used to puncture.
If a t-rex is trying to eat you you fight back any way you can. :)
If the horns were not used to fight then the triceratops is a walking dinner for the T.rex. they had to be used for defending itself
animalman57 Not so much fought as indicates the triceratops was a pretty animal.
@@eduardofreitas8336 Take a Whitetail deer antler and charge in to it. Then tell me if that Bucks Antlers was just for looking pretty or for defending itself.
They found a rex and triceratops recently that killed each other in combat so the idea that they fought is accurate.
So bumps, quills or kerationus spikes?Maybe when we get the paper we will find out...Probably to be released the same year as the Utahraptor new material paper and Half Life 3.
Gambeson and brigandine. You, sir, are even more cultured than I first thought.
The latter was introduced to Europe by Mongols in the 13th century and was retained into the age of gunpowder.
God i love this show GIVE ME MORE
theMarrasChannel We're going as fast as we can! :)
TheMuffin
I know right? is so cute
this is my favorite dinosaur
Mine too
Ethan Townsend P
No I like Spinosaurus
4:25 What do you mean, prepremaxilla sounds silly? It's no sillier sounding than pseudopseudohypoparathyroidism!
Omg he used the term schiltron. Now I'm imagining a division of elite soldiers riding triceratops.
And he mentioned gambesons and brigantines. Mixing my interests now, I love it.
People in The Dinosaur Lords do just that.
How scared would a woulda velociraptor be of a geek?
'You know they bite the heads off chickens!'
"I am a triceratops who is so fit he can afford the metabolic cost and encumbrance of this ridiculous frill"
I remember a documentary on triceratops which said its skull was connected to the neck at a "ball-joint," which apparently made the ceratopsian good at gouging a tyrannosaur's eyes out.
This series of videos has re-ignited my interest in dinosaurs, thank you! I would love a Spinosaurus episode by the way.
Next time I'm in a bar I'll bring a huge hat and tell someone that I am a triceratops who wishes to mate.
Ironic/frustrating that I'm getting a 'Gaia' ad about UFO conspiracy theories in front of a video from my fav science based channel.
Love these talks by Steve. Also the construction paper models are fantastic at showing the toy design and then morphing into the corrected shape.
It does seem likely to me that if a tyrannosaur attacked a triceratops, it would attempt to defend itself with its horns. I mean. The other option is "get eaten", isn't it?
I love this show so much, I'm slowly working my way through all of it having just discovered it this week, and I'm going to be devastated when I catch up. Steve perfectly encapsulates both an edutainment host and a college professor (he looks uncannily like one of mine) and I love how much he obviously cares about the dinosaurs he's talking about. It also makes me so happy to see the pauses and the organic conversation style of the episodes. I know this video is old and they'll probably never read this, but sometimes you have to get things off your chest you know? And what better a place than on a video about my favorite dino (I'm basic, I know).
Watching your comments about the likely position the front legs were held in, you started me thinking that such a fairly widespread of the front legs woul help Triceratops turn relatively quickly. All in all, it´s a fairly nimble build. The tail, fairly short and stubby for a dinosaur, would have a low angular momentum for its mass. Implying Triceratops was capable of doing something like a galopp, I imagine having the front feet far away from the centerline of the body would give them a nicely long lever to the body´s centre of gravity, so relatively little force would result in a rather quick turning motion.
I imagine a scenario where the Triceratops is making a short sprint for cover after being surprised by a predator, but when it sees it won´t reach the shelter in time, it just slams one of its front feet into the ground, turns on this foot and presents the buisness end of its defensive weaponry to the predator in comparatively short time. Also, a posture like this would give its feet a triangular set of baselines on the floor with the rear feet closely together for full support with force of all rear muscles in a forward thrust with its horns. It thus would have a sollid stand on the ground to hurl its horns about when fencing off an attacker. I guess it would not at all do bad against a bipedal attacker like that, being able to turn swiftly while the bipedal only has so much mobility with its feet closely to its centre of gravity having to tackle with a huge angluar momentum of the horizontaly held long body and tail.
I like your personality!
(As I recall, I too requested a ceratopsian, or at least seconded a request)
Nice work as usual, Steve! Ceratopsians plus YDaW=the best series on TH-cam.
***** Sometimes requests slip through and don't get to my list, sorry.
Thanks! You're too kind.
Dinosaurs and medieval equipment references. I love it
Every single day I wake up to see if a new one of these episodes are here. I almost cried today
Someone send this man an Indominus Rex
Yep, that was the joke :P
Ben Wilson lol
do Spinosaurus, considering all the recent changes it would be an excellent candidate, and Many, and when i say that i mean, MANY people dont know the real shape of the spinosaurus and the recent changes are quite drastic
Amazing job, guys! I love your show! Continue the good job!
Thanks Steven, your 'Your Dinosaurs Are Wrong' is a highlight of my YT watch list. Being a geologist by schooling and experience your presentations always stimulate looking-up terms (e.g. facultative quadruped) and reading from your references and the inevitable internet segues. Cheers, Mark
If I can find an Iguanadon or Miasaura toy, I would love to see a video on my favorite herbivores!
Maiasaura
I love this show! It's probably worth mentioning also that even if the notion of triceratops being the same animal as torosaurus were universally accepted, it would still be the torosaurus name that would be dropped, as it was named two years after triceratops - that's the principle of priority. So even if Horner and Scannella's theory turns out to be substantiated, triceratops fans can rest assured that it will never lose its name to torosaurus :) In fact, since most (all? I'd need to check) ceratopsians named before triceratops are now considered nomen dubiums (dubious names), it's therefore very unlikely that anything will dislodge triceratops from its familiar moniker. :)
Mike Finally Saw Toro has a smaller body so that seems highly unlikely
I'm so glad I found this series!
Nice work, guys! What a huge amount of information! Love it! GIMME MOAR BRAIN FOOD ABOUT DINOSAURS!
Matheus Silva *salute* Yessir!
thegeekgroup spinosurus
Gallimimus
thegeekgroup spinosaurus please jurrasic park toy
I would like a plesiosauria or mosasaur please!
Also keep the videos coming! i love seeing the dinosaurs from my childhood corrected the way they're supposed to be (something i hated seeing when i went to the natural history museum all the time and looking at common toys is them being incorrect)
These intro's are easily my favorite part of the show!
These videos exhibit the perfect balance of enlightenment and irreverence required to make something super interesting
I love these :) Thank your for making them!
I remember when Baker put forth his idea of Triceratops being on front legs beneath the body, and likely being able to run like wildebeests. Very exciting. THEN, I went to the Milwaukee Museum where they had a Triceratops. I looked at its front legs --- AND, no way were they able to put their front legs straight. It could not do it.
Life is not obliged to make sense to us.
The combined thoughts that we have many more triceratops heads than we have bodies AND the idea that trexes decapitated them to eat the neck muscles AND the fact that triceratops heads are so bony makes me wonder, "did trexes rip the heads off of triceratops and then just eat ALL OF THE REST OF THE ANIMAL bones and all?"
another great video mate! :) I love your work, see ya next time :)
I was setting up my ps4 watching this and the music is in key and all the menu sounds when done in rhythm sound like a perfect accompanying part for this song
This is a great series of videos. I suggest an episode on Troodon and the great "dinosauroid" controversy.
Schiltron (bad spelling I know) is an awesome way to describe groups of ceratopsids in a circle. Would have been a circular wall of armor and spears
When someone makes a compilation of this series, they should name it "All of: Your Dinosaurs Are Wrong".
Ah, my absolute favourite as a kid. Now, let's see how my childhood gets ruined!
What i love about this is how he uses ALL the professional anatomical and phylogenetic terms. Learn the terms or have no idea what hes talking about.
I don't understand, how would it be at all plausible that Triceratops could be an early growth stage of another dinosaur when we have remains of huge, adult Triceratops and none of anything bigger they could've grown into?
I remember most of these toys as a kid, this one really brought me back
These videos just make me happy
I actually wonder if the predation strategies of Tyrannosaurus are the reason for the strong preservation bias we see in Triceratops. Because after ripping off the had and consuming those delicious neck muscles, I find it pretty likely that the Tyrannosaurus would have gone all .. well, Tyrannosaurus; on the body of the Triceratops. And I doubt post-cranial skelettons that have been subjected to bone-crushing jaws have a good chance to fossilize.
"I am a mature triceratops who wants to mate with you"
my new pick-up line
I'm a dinosaur nerd and kinda drunk, binge watching your videos and kinda wanna bonk you right now
Nice dude
I think the front of the Triceratops as is seen was the most important portion of the actual animal... I think that is had robust fore-limbs, and may have used them similar to a very in-efficient aardvark or ant eater. It's beak, or rostrum bone, may've been for digging up roots, digging ditches to rest the heavy dinosaur from the Sun, and help lower the profile from predators while resting. I don't think they were grazers, but more like a cross between beavers, aardvarks, and Buffalo...
The fragility of the crest might not discount that they are a defensive structure. When getting chomped on by a Trex a bone shattering bite to the frill is going to keep you in the fight longer than a bone crushing bite to the neck. And it could be moved like a shield to protect the neck. Like ablative anti HEAT armour on a tank, it stops you getting 1 shotted by an ATGM(yes this is the Trex bite in this analogy) but when paired with a good strategy makes such an attack much more survivable. You're not staying still for successive strikes.
Re: Triceratops and Torosaurus: It could very well be something like deer in North America. There are places (Canadian Rockies apparently) where you can find essentially all North American deer species sharing habitat. Somebody looked at just their fossils with no knowledge of behavior maybe could wonder if they were all the same species (Moose of course being the adult form)
Whenever I watch one of these videos I feel like drawing dinosaurs as realistic as I can imagine :))
Interesting one. But after your last I'd have imagined you'd mention the preposed porcupine like quills on triceritops.
Jay Cie The evidence for those (_if_ we're talking about the same quills--the ones supported by nippled tubercles?) hasn't been peer-reviewed yet.
The dumb part of the " _Triceratops_ doesn't exist" nonsense was that it would always have been _Torosaurus_ that got invalidated if it were true, not _Triceratops_ .
Could you possibly do an episode covering the aquatic reptiles such as Elasmosaurus or Mosasaurus? I feel like it'd be very interesting to watch and to talk about.
Love the vids, guys! How's Carnotaurus coming?
5:38
10 foot (3,04m) is probably a bit to big, we see that on things like eotriceratops,
but the biggest triceratops skull with a good sample size was I believe 2,54m (8 ft 4 in).
Still HUGE.
You know...I always wondered about this and this always has puzzled me for quite a while. What was the Triceratops' gait? Because I've heard a lot of people tell me that due to their semi-sprawling posture and their massive frills and horns, they wouldn't have move that fast. Maybe like a slow trot. But, here's my theory. Say there is a mother triceratops and her baby all alone in the forest. Suddenly, a t - rex comes out and spots the baby. What is a mother to do? I would say that they could charge at the T-rex at a full gallop so she could save her baby without having it be too late than just plodding along. Wouldn't that make sense?
I can’t believe this video was uploaded 4 years ago.
I can't believe this video was uploaded 6 years ago.
Triceratops is my favorite
This made me very happy
Thank you for this vid
There is a theory that T.prorsus and T. Horridus are actually the same species but one is juvenile and the other is an adult. I forgot which was which though.
Makes a hell of a lot more sense than Triceratops and Torosaurus.
The frill may not have been a problem for a mature T-Rex. BUT, for smaller predators, it may have been.
Personally, I subscribe to the idea that the TC-Tops used joint protection to face down predators. Maybe not the Musk Ox ring of defense, but still several TC-Tops wheeling together to show a joint projection of horns to a predator. Even a T-Rex would be intimidated.
I adore these
I'd love to see a Brachiosaurid taken appart :D
One of my favourites as a child
RE: your forelimb comments starting at 11:55, I had heard somebody who researched the skeleton said that the Trike could not 'gallop' like a rhino because the forelimbs were built so they could pivot the animal quickly on it's axis to keep it's horns pointed at it's foe--as such, they could not run.
Fascinating. You know yer stuff. My favourite of dinosaurs. Think I like an underdog. Was wondering if their was any new evidence linking the Certiopsines(might have spelt that badly) with birds? Have the new revelations about feathers on some of the dinosaurs changed our understanding of this dinosaur. Does it have a scull cavity consistent with a bird like brain ?
So the thing I’m taking from this is that Triceratops had only just evolved to the point of touching the floor with its front limbs before nature decided the Dinosaurs time was up.
So their beaks were bone? That's pretty awesome!
I also read somewhere that Torosaurus was smaller than Triceratops?
Could you do a video or two featuring the Papo dinosaur toys, maybe the Allosaurus?
I love this show!!!!!
"I am a mature triceratops that wishes to mate with you"
This series is a great art reference!
This episode in particular, since I'm not very good at drawing ceratopsians (it's their massive heads. They're so difficult).
+CJCroen1393 I know right? I always draw ceratopsians with inaccurately large heads in proportion to their body.
LudicrousCunningFox
I've lately been having a similar problem with T. rexes.
Same. I usually only get sauropod, and hadrosaur heads sized accurately.
LudicrousCunningFox
I'm actually fairly good with pterosaur heads too, which is odd because those tend to be _bigger_ than dinosaur heads.
I binged like a dozen of these already, help
I have a couple of this exact toy, awesome
triceratops is my favorite ceratopsians ever
These videos were made years ago but I'm using this as a reference to have accurately drawn dinosaurs for my animations woo
In season with the new concept of Spinosaurus, you should do an episode on it.
Y'all should do allosaur. Yah know those little dinoaurs you get in those multi packs that were like standing on their tip toes, had short spindly arms with 3 frail thin fingers, and human looking face almost, and a thin tail they used for support
Yes!! Thank you!!
The auto captions say "horrid ass" whenever he says "horridus"
Coelophysis, Heterodontosaurus, Pelicanimimus/Gallimimus, Ichthyosaur, Elasmosaur/Mosasaur, Confusiornis, and/or The Bone Wars please
The edge of the frill seems rather thick for a display feature. Several inches of bone is completely not necessary for sexual display, but is necessary for a shield.
Also the attachment point to the head being more or less a perfect ball and socket joint, and the absolutely enormous neck muscles mean it could probably tilt the frill edge on. And for young ones, might even do damage by slashing the frill across a predator's jaw if it tried to get around the frill.
This is a far out theory
But maybe the frill was used for mating and warning preds by pumping blood to it and changing colours. Like a big plate like that could make an impressive display. More based on what i want the frill to do more than what it could actually do. Just a thought