I have owned a Bosch dishwasher for the past 27 years. I have never had a problem with it -- it washes dishes superbly, and still runs like it is brand new. I cannot say that for Kitchenaid, as several of their products have broken down after only a few years. If I could afford to replace all my appliances with Bosch, I would instantly do it, but am now on a fixed income and cannot afford to. But I shall never stop praising the quality of my Bosch dishwasher.
I just installed a Kitchen Aid 604 for my wife today. She's so exciting! So far so good. We initially picked the 404 model and ended up with the 604 just because it has a "Pro Dry" feature.
Bosch dominated the market for years, but this generation of KitchenAid has caught up with Bosch's quality and performance. With that said, I personally prefer and recommend KitchenAid because the rack layout is superior, and I believe the fan assisted dry is also superior to Bosch's advanced drying technology.
Especially now they have a food soil sensor and if it senses the food soil on your dishes being tough, it will extend the wash time and add temperature to the water
We bought the Kitchenaid 604 for the top rack, and it seams to be working great, only drawback is not putting plastic in the bottom rack if using the pro dry.
I have the Kitchen Aid KDFM404KPS, and although I do like it because of the freeflex top rack. One thing I don't like is the intensity of the spray action during the wash cycle. The spray action remains the same throughout. Dosen't matter what cycle you choose. As a result, heavily soiled dishes may not entirely clean well without pre-rinsing. My LG dishwasher had the capability of changing its wash algorithm from soft to intense spray depending on the level of soil in the water. The feature proved very effective and is similar to the Bosch dishwasher shown here.
Kitchen Aid is better than Bosch. Especially now they have a food soil sensor and if it senses the food soil on your dishes being tough, it will extend the wash time and add temperature to the water. I know people who bought Bosch and they really regret it. My Kitchen Aid is the best dishwasher I ever had.
Ah...... no. I've owned a KitchenAid since 2018. The ONLY requirement anybody should have when buying an appliance is RELIABILITY. I understand women focus on how it looks but you have to actually do your homework before making a major purchase.
We wanted a Bosch 300 with front controls but could for our new house that we just moved into. We went with the KitchenAid KTDM404 as it was in stock. I would prefer outside controls and pocket handle but the KitchenAid - no complaints so far.
I get irritated when people focus on the sound level. It's a machine! The only thing you should be focusing on is reliability since the majority of dishwashers can't get past 2-3 years without breaking. From all reports, Bosch should last at least 10 years!
These manufacturers really learned how to manage customer expectations. My last Frigidaire dishwasher lasted me 20 years without single failure. I read here that people rarely get 10 years nowadays...interior light, wifi no wonder these things do not last...
My Frigidaire Quiteclean I is going on 26 years, this is what the builder put in our home when it was built. I was thinking of a Bosch, but now I have to get an election to put in a receptacle because Bosch does not do a hard wire in has a plug
@@paulrobilotti9294 Bosch has a cheap junction box that you hard wire to. It's 20 bucks and included with most all installations. No receptacle needed but you should have an extra to share with your garbage disposal anyway.
We replaced our dishwasher about a year and a half ago. We really wanted a Bosch, but none were to be found in the Chattanooga area. We ended up with a Kitchen-aid KDF204KPS. We really like it, but we have had two problems. One you must keep the filters clean, and it is so quite many times I have Opened the door while it is running.
Call my family Bosch loyalists. Between us we have 5 of them, 1 from 2000, 2 from 2010, 1 from 2012,, 1 this year to replace a 6 month old Frigidaire which made dishes dirtier than when they went in. All of them are still going strong. No regrets about them other than the Obama-Era ones which lacked the Rinse/Hold function. The only KItchenAid I used was growing up, a 1970s KitchtenAid by Hobart. Nowhere near as quiet as today's, but it cleaned fantastically.
I love Kitchenaid Dishwashers. They have always been reliable and performed great. I will agree that the newest model doesn't dry as well as older models.
We have the Kitchenaid and the third rack does not clean well. The rotating spray arm just doesn't pump water at a strong enough force. What is outstanding is the ability to load different shapes of bowls very well.
My experience with KitchenAid is exactly the reason I'm now buying a Bosch. KitchenAid leaks after a few years and the spray holes in the spray arms get clogged VERY easily.
Especially now they have a food soil sensor and if it senses the food soil on your dishes being tough, it will extend the wash time and add temperature to the water
they all do if you rinse your dishes off before putting them in dishwasher. loading up food on your dishes and putting it in your dishwasher is so gross
We have the Bosch 800 with Crystal Dry. It works very well. I hate DW that stick out so definitely Bosch for me. I do not like the racks as much. It is hard to fit lots of bowls and bulky casserole dishes or pans. European brands put the tines too close on the bottom rack. The top silverware rack is weird too. There are a lot of too short nubs that don't do anything. I have an Asko elsewhere and the silverware rack is better.
My Bosch is 4 years old and it just threw a e07 error code which is the zeolite fan motor. It’s a$500+ repair. I take very good care of my Bosch and I’m not happy about having such an expensive failure so soon.
Both will get your dishes clean and both use condensation drying. They advertise how well this new condensation type drying dries dishes, but my son's family had the Bosch 800, which I forget what they call it, but it's a brand new type of drying, well, even their dishes come out damp. You decide if it's worth it to you, but the Kitchenaid 400, 200, and 100 series, has the heating element on the bottom of the tub so your dishes come out really dry. With the Bosch, there is only condensation type drying on all models. Yes, you can put plastics on the bottom rack with all the Bosch, but, who cares, when all the dishes, including the plastics, come out damp, not dry.
Kitchen Aids don’t last long. Hope that helps. They do get your dishes dry unlike the other dishwashers, including plastic dishes. But you will get a good 4 years of good cleaning and that’s it!
Wife likes it. Gives more wash options and on the Bosch you can tell it to wash a spot better if there is something large or very dirty. If you don’t want to use it it works fine with just standard controls.
Wow. Bosch 800 is what I was want. But, man expensive at $1300 bucks. But, $1300 ÷ 10 years = $130/yr or little over $10 month. Not so bad after all...
Looking at Kitchenaid 404 or Bosch 500. I've read about Kitchenaid having pump/food debris problems cloging the fine pump filter. Any insights on this, should I stay away from kitchenaid?
@@tonyb3676 damn, bruh. That's a good deal on a 500. Thinking about going 500 rather than 800 since the modern 800's seem to be having some wonky issues with the mounting brackets and door seal.
I am thinking of purchasing 604 kitchenaid model or 404 model. However have seen lot of comments on hummung, buzzing louder sound and the spindle sprayer below the top 3rd rack turning causing lot of noise. Is this true ? Also in 604 kitchenaid model, the fan at the very end starts for drying and nosiy. Bosch 800 series has lesser moving parts and less noiser but top rack is not as deep as kitchenaid. Also Bosch 800 has rotating arms at the bottom plastic over steel in case of kitchenaid. Not sure which one to consider kitchen aid 404 or 604 or Bosch 800 series ? Bosh has myway 3rd rack much deeper but looks like their website does not sell any dishwasher with that any longer. Can someone suggest kitchen aid 604 and 404 experience if its loud ? Also cycles are longer 3 hours in kitchen aid not sure if bosch 800 cycle time is similar to 3 hours ?
@@richardkraus4445 That's incorrect information. Kitchenaid series 400 and down use the heated element. It's their 600 series and up that dries dishes based on the condensation alone.
Yes, they use a heating element and I used to love how it worked until it went out. it was 5-700 to fix it and I'm not buying the element and doing it myself, like i did the pump. it's gonna be someone else's problem now after it was replaced.
The new bosch looks so fragile compared to my old one that just died. 16 years. Powercontrol? Wifi? What a joke? Features nobody needs or wants. Dishwashers are becoming like cars. Too complex. Too expensive. The new Bosch dishwashers are stupid. Try loading one these. The Kitchenaid dishwashers actually seem to be designed by people that actually load dishwashers. Miele. Another joke. AutoDos. Seriously. This feature will cost you another dishwasher in 10 years due to the high cost of the stupid cartridges. Oh and Bosch dishwashers even top control ones sit flush. Good luck with seeing the controls and now you have to rely on stupid tricks to see the progress of you dishes. You will have to open you dishwasher to use or see the controls.
Do NOT get Bosch 800 Series. I'm replacing that overpriced piece of junk with a KitchenAid. The 800 Series has a E-15 error that the repairman said is due to the Crystal Dry feature. It allowing water to leak into a supposedly sealed area in the bottom of the unit triggering a sensor to shut down the whole system. The error is not a one-off event. It will continue over and over again and unless you know how to repair appliances - you'll will be calling in for service frequently. The repairman for the local appliance store which sold us the unit said the series needs to be discontinued because it is a known problem that has no reliable solution.
KitchenAid appliances are truly horrible. My wife and I are upgrading to Bosch as our old appliances die off one at a time. In the long run it's cheaper as they last so much longer.
they all do that, LOL. That's why you don't buy the extended warranties either. it's all a scam. Just move on to a different company when they sell you garbage. All appliance blow chow these days and break.
Kitchenaid sucks.. the memory board fails, it leaks out the bottom .. the heater coil went out, it literally runs all day for a load....Iv spent a ton of money replacing all of these...Cheap means cheap... remember... you get what you pay for.
Just removed a 34 year old KitchenAid. Had a fully locking door mechanism & noise like the now retired Concorde jet. New Bosch is whisper quiet, but I'm pretty sure it won't make it to 2058.
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Love my Kitchen Aid. No problems and cleans beautifully.
I have owned a Bosch dishwasher for the past 27 years. I have never had a problem with it -- it washes dishes superbly, and still runs like it is brand new. I cannot say that for Kitchenaid, as several of their products have broken down after only a few years. If I could afford to replace all my appliances with Bosch, I would instantly do it, but am now on a fixed income and cannot afford to. But I shall never stop praising the quality of my Bosch dishwasher.
I've had my Bosch for over 18 yrs and still going strong💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪, I'm now going to replace it with a newer model.
I just installed a Kitchen Aid 604 for my wife today. She's so exciting! So far so good. We initially picked the 404 model and ended up with the 604 just because it has a "Pro Dry" feature.
Bosch dominated the market for years, but this generation of KitchenAid has caught up with Bosch's quality and performance. With that said, I personally prefer and recommend KitchenAid because the rack layout is superior, and I believe the fan assisted dry is also superior to Bosch's advanced drying technology.
Especially now they have a food soil sensor and if it senses the food soil on your dishes being tough, it will extend the wash time and add temperature to the water
you'll need to replace those plastic wheels with steel ones at some point on there sloppy racks
We bought the Kitchenaid 604 for the top rack, and it seams to be working great, only drawback is not putting plastic in the bottom rack if using the pro dry.
I have the Kitchen Aid KDFM404KPS, and although I do like it because of the freeflex top rack. One thing I don't like is the intensity of the spray action during the wash cycle. The spray action remains the same throughout. Dosen't matter what cycle you choose. As a result, heavily soiled dishes may not entirely clean well without pre-rinsing. My LG dishwasher had the capability of changing its wash algorithm from soft to intense spray depending on the level of soil in the water. The feature proved very effective and is similar to the Bosch dishwasher shown here.
I have a kitchen aid Dw and it's going on 12 years...love it
Our KA is approaching 13 and is flawless
You guys have the good ones, read reviews on the new ones they last about 5 years
I have a KitchenAid dishwasher that I will be replacing soon. Thanks for the comparison, you made my life easier.
Kitchen Aid is better than Bosch.
Especially now they have a food soil sensor and if it senses the food soil on your dishes being tough, it will extend the wash time and add temperature to the water.
I know people who bought Bosch and they really regret it. My Kitchen Aid is the best dishwasher I ever had.
Ah...... no. I've owned a KitchenAid since 2018. The ONLY requirement anybody should have when buying an appliance is RELIABILITY. I understand women focus on how it looks but you have to actually do your homework before making a major purchase.
We wanted a Bosch 300 with front controls but could for our new house that we just moved into. We went with the KitchenAid KTDM404 as it was in stock. I would prefer outside controls and pocket handle but the KitchenAid - no complaints so far.
My Bosch is over 10 years old. Never had any issues and it's super quiet if you have an open floor plan.
I got a Bosch last year and I was surprised by just how quiet it is. The layout kind of sucks, but it does a great job of washing the dishes.
I get irritated when people focus on the sound level. It's a machine! The only thing you should be focusing on is reliability since the majority of dishwashers can't get past 2-3 years without breaking. From all reports, Bosch should last at least 10 years!
@@MBedell-VA my GE dishwasher started leaking after 2 years. I will not be buying another GE product.
These manufacturers really learned how to manage customer expectations. My last Frigidaire dishwasher lasted me 20 years without single failure. I read here that people rarely get 10 years nowadays...interior light, wifi no wonder these things do not last...
My Frigidaire Quiteclean I is going on 26 years, this is what the builder put in our home when it was built. I was thinking of a Bosch, but now I have to get an election to put in a receptacle because Bosch does not do a hard wire in has a plug
@@paulrobilotti9294 Bosch has a cheap junction box that you hard wire to. It's 20 bucks and included with most all installations. No receptacle needed but you should have an extra to share with your garbage disposal anyway.
Have had my KitchenAid for 11 years. Still going strong. I do not heat dry...just crack open the door and air dry.
We replaced our dishwasher about a year and a half ago. We really wanted a Bosch, but none were to be found in the Chattanooga area. We ended up with a Kitchen-aid KDF204KPS. We really like it, but we have had two problems. One you must keep the filters clean, and it is so quite many times I have Opened the door while it is running.
Thanks for the very timely information! I really appreciate having this channel as a resource.
Call my family Bosch loyalists. Between us we have 5 of them, 1 from 2000, 2 from 2010, 1 from 2012,, 1 this year to replace a 6 month old Frigidaire which made dishes dirtier than when they went in. All of them are still going strong. No regrets about them other than the Obama-Era ones which lacked the Rinse/Hold function.
The only KItchenAid I used was growing up, a 1970s KitchtenAid by Hobart. Nowhere near as quiet as today's, but it cleaned fantastically.
I love Kitchenaid Dishwashers. They have always been reliable and performed great. I will agree that the newest model doesn't dry as well as older models.
We have the Kitchenaid and the third rack does not clean well. The rotating spray arm just doesn't pump water at a strong enough force. What is outstanding is the ability to load different shapes of bowls very well.
My experience with KitchenAid is exactly the reason I'm now buying a Bosch. KitchenAid leaks after a few years and the spray holes in the spray arms get clogged VERY easily.
She didn’t mention about the different ways the units get wired up .
We got a Bosch last year and frankly can't believe how well cleans.
I thought Bosch cleans well until I tried Kitchen Aid.
Especially now they have a food soil sensor and if it senses the food soil on your dishes being tough, it will extend the wash time and add temperature to the water
they all do if you rinse your dishes off before putting them in dishwasher. loading up food on your dishes and putting it in your dishwasher is so gross
We have the Bosch 800 with Crystal Dry. It works very well. I hate DW that stick out so definitely Bosch for me. I do not like the racks as much. It is hard to fit lots of bowls and bulky casserole dishes or pans. European brands put the tines too close on the bottom rack. The top silverware rack is weird too. There are a lot of too short nubs that don't do anything. I have an Asko elsewhere and the silverware rack is better.
The middle rack is easily adjustable. That what I do. Fits everything
My Bosch is 4 years old and it just threw a e07 error code which is the zeolite fan motor. It’s a$500+ repair. I take very good care of my Bosch and I’m not happy about having such an expensive failure so soon.
I've had my bosch 100 series for 3 years, already broke twice, don't know if I should repair or move on, I guess I'm in the 5 percent
The Ascenta is a different Bosch. We never really sold it.
Great video!
Do you like the FREEFLEX fancier rack on the Kitchenaid 404? I can’t decide if it’s a gimmick or not. Not sure it’s worth $170 and 5dBA more…
Depends...I like the racking, but it depends on whether you like it.
I’m between the Bosch 800 and the kitchenaid kdtm604 someone help me decide please lol
Depends when you buy it....Bosch is better, but KitchenAid is way cheaper on promotion.
Both will get your dishes clean and both use condensation drying. They advertise how well this new condensation type drying dries dishes, but my son's family had the Bosch 800, which I forget what they call it, but it's a brand new type of drying, well, even their dishes come out damp. You decide if it's worth it to you, but the Kitchenaid 400, 200, and 100 series, has the heating element on the bottom of the tub so your dishes come out really dry. With the Bosch, there is only condensation type drying on all models. Yes, you can put plastics on the bottom rack with all the Bosch, but, who cares, when all the dishes, including the plastics, come out damp, not dry.
Kitchen Aids don’t last long. Hope that helps. They do get your dishes dry unlike the other dishwashers, including plastic dishes. But you will get a good 4 years of good cleaning and that’s it!
@@YaleAppliance1 Cheap, because you get what you pay for... KitchenAid is horrible for longevity and quality of parts used.
@@Beebleish I like when the heating element goes dead and it doesn't work. I get to replace it with a Bosch
wifi on a dishwasher is just stupid
Unless your dishwasher is so quiet you open it midcycle, but yeah you can easily live without it
The only kitchen appliance I find Wifi very important on is stove/oven to have peace of mind it's turned off when you want while traveling about.
Wife likes it. Gives more wash options and on the Bosch you can tell it to wash a spot better if there is something large or very dirty. If you don’t want to use it it works fine with just standard controls.
@@YaleAppliance1 who cares if you open it mid cycle
Wow. Bosch 800 is what I was want. But, man expensive at $1300 bucks. But, $1300 ÷ 10 years = $130/yr or little over $10 month. Not so bad after all...
Can you flush install a stainless steel kitchenaid or does it protrude?
The 604 model specifically. Thanks
Depends...The new ones in 2024 will not. Currently, they do.
Kitchen aid is good regarding DW and electric cooktops but Bosch is best.
My KitchenAid died 3 times. Not reliable. Bosch is superior!
Great job
Looking at Kitchenaid 404 or Bosch 500. I've read about Kitchenaid having pump/food debris problems cloging the fine pump filter. Any insights on this, should I stay away from kitchenaid?
Both are good. I like Bosch a bit better
Kitchenaid 404 showed up all banged up, sent it back. Ended up buying the Bosch 500 for $549 with the $50 rebate. Smoking deal. Delivery tomorrow
@@tonyb3676 damn, bruh. That's a good deal on a 500. Thinking about going 500 rather than 800 since the modern 800's seem to be having some wonky issues with the mounting brackets and door seal.
I am thinking of purchasing 604 kitchenaid model or 404 model. However have seen lot of comments on hummung, buzzing louder sound and the spindle sprayer below the top 3rd rack turning causing lot of noise. Is this true ? Also in 604 kitchenaid model, the fan at the very end starts for drying and nosiy. Bosch 800 series has lesser moving parts and less noiser but top rack is not as deep as kitchenaid. Also Bosch 800 has rotating arms at the bottom plastic over steel in case of kitchenaid. Not sure which one to consider kitchen aid 404 or 604 or Bosch 800 series ? Bosh has myway 3rd rack much deeper but looks like their website does not sell any dishwasher with that any longer. Can someone suggest kitchen aid 604 and 404 experience if its loud ? Also cycles are longer 3 hours in kitchen aid not sure if bosch 800 cycle time is similar to 3 hours ?
I am also between the Kitchenaid 604 and Bosch 800
The 604 is really good. The top rack is better and the other two racks have a better layout. It cleans great and dries well with the fan drying.
What happens if you have poor wifi in your home?
@@Kathrynhere you buy an Orbi Satellite system and solve your wifi problem or you don't bother with the stupid app.
@@jenniferfisk4986 Hello. What did you buy?
But I don't want filters. I want a hard food grinder.
Look at the Profile
Maytag also have a choper. It's called dual power filtration
MDB8959SKZ is your answer
Bosch....period
Once you go Miele you never go back.
Now those are certainly expensive.
No service for them in the states.
KitchenAid uses heated dry?
Kitchenaid 604 and up use heating element and a fan for drying (Pro Dry). Lower Kitchenaid models use condensation for drying like Bosch
@@richardkraus4445 That's incorrect information. Kitchenaid series 400 and down use the heated element. It's their 600 series and up that dries dishes based on the condensation alone.
Yes, they use a heating element and I used to love how it worked until it went out. it was 5-700 to fix it and I'm not buying the element and doing it myself, like i did the pump. it's gonna be someone else's problem now after it was replaced.
The new bosch looks so fragile compared to my old one that just died. 16 years. Powercontrol? Wifi? What a joke? Features nobody needs or wants. Dishwashers are becoming like cars. Too complex. Too expensive. The new Bosch dishwashers are stupid. Try loading one these. The Kitchenaid dishwashers actually seem to be designed by people that actually load dishwashers. Miele. Another joke. AutoDos. Seriously. This feature will cost you another dishwasher in 10 years due to the high cost of the stupid cartridges. Oh and Bosch dishwashers even top control ones sit flush. Good luck with seeing the controls and now you have to rely on stupid tricks to see the progress of you dishes. You will have to open you dishwasher to use or see the controls.
that's what the stupid app is for, LOL
34,000 repairs last year. I guess don’t buy either!
37,000+ on all products....
Do NOT get Bosch 800 Series. I'm replacing that overpriced piece of junk with a KitchenAid. The 800 Series has a E-15 error that the repairman said is due to the Crystal Dry feature. It allowing water to leak into a supposedly sealed area in the bottom of the unit triggering a sensor to shut down the whole system. The error is not a one-off event. It will continue over and over again and unless you know how to repair appliances - you'll will be calling in for service frequently. The repairman for the local appliance store which sold us the unit said the series needs to be discontinued because it is a known problem that has no reliable solution.
KitchenAid appliances are truly horrible. My wife and I are upgrading to Bosch as our old appliances die off one at a time. In the long run it's cheaper as they last so much longer.
No they do not, I have had kitchen aid and Jennair appliances, that I loved. Not impressed with Bosch. And nothing lasts forever
Bosch does not honor their warranty. I have a $550 repair to prove it!
they all do that, LOL. That's why you don't buy the extended warranties either. it's all a scam. Just move on to a different company when they sell you garbage. All appliance blow chow these days and break.
They have to honor a written contract. Extended warranties are now not a scam because of the service rates
Kitchenaid sucks.. the memory board fails, it leaks out the bottom .. the heater coil went out, it literally runs all day for a load....Iv spent a ton of money replacing all of these...Cheap means cheap... remember... you get what you pay for.
Just removed a 34 year old KitchenAid. Had a fully locking door mechanism & noise like the now retired Concorde jet. New Bosch is whisper quiet, but I'm pretty sure it won't make it to 2058.
2025 is 50-50
Nothing can compare to CrystalDry technology and german engineering! KitchenAid is crap.